Dan & Phil part 26: You’ve got an impressive length

[fleur-de-lis]

Side note: if I were to play a drinking game where you have to take a shot every time Dan says "alright" during Tatinof, I'd be drunk halfway through the show

[timtam]

I don't have much to add but I really enjoyed the doc.

- I really enjoyed the professional format it felt fresh and different from them
- It probably was a bit short but maybe wouldn't have been if there was less talk and more behind the scenes
- I loved hearing from the parents, it was really sweet how excited they were to meet deppy
- Phil looks so fine in his magician outfit like
- Phil getting motion sickness from reading 7 words - oh Phil I get you. I get the worst motion sickness and this must have been so hard. I felt a bit sick looking at Dan on his laptop in the van!
- I thought the bus bit was hilarious - p lizzle and d hizzle
- the wifi montage
- I would have loved an Australian tour mention somewhere. I know we had the ditl and they posted more photos on insta but I was still a bit disappointed
- It's interesting that it is Dan that wanted to do the musical number but in the show it's seen as a 'Phil' thing. Shows how different their personas are irl
- I also loved hearing from others about deppy. The stage director (?) saying they were really hard workers, Hank Green giving them all those nice compliments
- Dan actually looked the most nervous of the two before going on stage. He was moving his hands around and moving around whereas Phil looked calm and collected. I suspect he was freaking out on the inside!

I'm a bit of a dangirl but this doc really made Phil shine! You could really see how much effort he put into learning the magic tricks and the dance number. He was chatty and witty throughout the doc and with other person. The way he powered on even when he was horribly sick. I just I have no doubt Dan worked hard too (and he looked hot af throughout the whole thing) but Phil really stood out.

I'm just going to address artdefines06 and eevee's comments from a while back about fans saying deppy 'saved' them. So trigger warning.

Something people haven't brought up: potential suicide trigger warning: Dan mentioned that he loves it when people tell him that they were going through a hard time and their videos helped them. This was after at least one fan said they "saved her life." I have a huge problem with this. Countless people have told dan and phil that they're only alive because of them. That they were going to kill themselves and then decided not to because of Dan and Phil. I know that with telling them that you have good intentions, but imagine the immense pressure that puts on them to remain the same. The pressure that puts on them to never leave Youtube, and finally, the immense pressure that puts on them to never break up. I mean, they know as well as we do that the phandom would shrink by half if they were to break up/go separate ways, but now they have the added threat of some fans actually killing themselves if that happens. And that's just not pressure I'm comfortable with dan and phil having on them. Ever. But there's nothing I can do to stop people from saying that, and Dan is encouraging it, but he'd also kinda look like a dick if he didnt mention it. Out of obligation, he has to say that it's good to hear. But I can't imagine how that'd be good to hear. People don't like hearing that their best friend is only there because of them. It's unsettling. I've had people tell me that if I kill myself, they'll kill themselves. I've had people ask me to kill myself at the same time that they kill themselves. I'm sure that after reading that, you're like "woah, too far." Well what the fuck do you think dan and phil feel when they hear it over and over and over and over again? "Wow, hundreds of people havent killed themselves because of me...what if i change? what if i somehow fuck up?" Honestly this ties into my whole thing about they're keeping the ambiguity of phan in order to keep us around. If something major changes, they risk losing some of us.

(Hey I'm gonna address what Eevee said about suicidal fans so if that triggers you, please don't read this paragraph)
Eevee, I couldn't agree more with your point about deppy saving people's lives. It makes me very uncomfortable every time I hear a fan say that or comment that on a creator's video. I can't imagine how it would make me feel if I was deppy. Honestly, I just hope and pray that people are seeking help outside of watching Youtube and that deppy don't lose sleep over worrying about how they affect the mental health of their viewers. It stresses me out just thinking about it.

I agree it makes me really uncomfortable when people mention that deppy saved their lives. I don't like seeing people putting their entire mental health into the hands of basically strangers. Fair enough if it makes them happy or was a way of coping (I'm guilty of that) but I really worry for the people who say deppy stopped them from killing themselves. It must put immense pressure on deppy too to put out good content and be connected to their fans. Although, I do like the way Dan addressed it. Rather than talking about 'saving lives' he more talks about how people tell him they made their lives better and that deppy makes them feel positive. The he talks about how inspiring and worthwhile that is (that's not what he said but it's in the vein) which to me suggests Dan actually likes the idea of helping people through his videos. I doubt they are up all night worrying about their fans in that way (at least I hope not). I also believe it was a good choice to acknowledge this. Lots of people share the sentiment that deppy 'saved' them, particularly teenagers. I think it would be more dangerous to ignore this part of the fandom.

[cecilia]

Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.

Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )

No. You'll know when I do, because I won't be here anymore. The second I actually believe they've baited this hard for this long, I'm out.

The situation where they had different hotel rooms? I would point out that they showed themselves sharing the same room multiple times. Way more than they showed themselves in separate rooms. There was even one that was a setup where it was like no space between the beds.

I'm not making an argument for yes-homo or no-homo here. Just pointing out that people are focusing on the negative, and that even if there is negative there are reasons for Dan and Phil not to want to share their sleeping arrangements in consistent detail with a potential 5+ million people.

ok hang on there.

i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.

I don't feel cheated because I don't have any expectation of them to divulge anything about their relationship that they aren't comfortable with. I don't feel like Dan implied there would be anything even remotely confirming or denying or even addressing their relationship in any of this, so it wasn't on my list of things to be watching for. Definitely bummed they didn't rely more on ambiguity for the bus thing, but not mad about it. In their position I'd be scared shitless of giving the audience too much information and the audience feeling entitled to that level of sharing from that point on, or what pressure would be placed upon them after that.

Yes, they don’t need to share their bedroom situation with 5 million people, they don’t need to divulge anything about their relationship if they aren’t comfortable with it and are simply private people. But that’s not what they did? They could have ignored the whole thing, they could have been more ambiguous about it, but they weren’t. Most people consider it as normal for a couple to share a room/bed and Dan and Phil must know that. Consequently (as also obvious from the amount of discussion in this forum), the majority of people does think them not sharing a room/bed is something of significance with regard to Phan. And the thing is: there is a difference between not giving anything away about a relationship and actively trying to give a wrong impression – that’s shitty behavior if there is no real reason for it. And there is no real reason for it in my opinion, because a) the overwhelming majority of the audience, including the casual viewers is fine with the idea of them being together even when they don't actively ship it b) as many people have pointed out it’s not strange for friends to share a room/bed. So people who don’t care about Phan/casual viewers/people that don’t know anything about them would have simply thought that they shared the room as friends. People who think they are together would have considered them sharing a room/bed as confirmation of Phan. So why would they actively put on such an act/fake the whole bedroom situation? It doesn't make sense to me. It’s even harmful, as many people who think they are together feel fooled. How would they explain this behavior if they want to come out?

[missemma]

#busgate

They expect us to believe the charade of Dan sleeping on the bunk, they could at least try harder. I mean did anyone else notice Dan seems to be wearing the weed jumper (or a similar shirt that is black and white) under the pyjamas he's just got 'out of the bunk' wearing. Sure thing.

Just something cute I wanted to share

He is too cute for words.

[papierklemmen]

#busgate

They expect us to believe the charade of Dan sleeping on the bunk, they could at least try harder. I mean did anyone else notice Dan seems to be wearing the weed jumper (or a similar shirt that is black and white) under the pyjamas he's just got 'out of the bunk' wearing. Sure thing.

is it really a jumper? not a shadow? damn i can't see shit

[mio]

http://thomassanders.com/post/151461466 ... n-and-phil

This is random but this is the one of the things I see after checking tumblr for the first time in days
I loved their vine together and wish they'd do more collabs at some point. Thomas is just the sweetest person on the whole of the internet (hell, go follow his tumblr it's like a heaven of positivity)

[kuensukki]

Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.

Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )

No. You'll know when I do, because I won't be here anymore. The second I actually believe they've baited this hard for this long, I'm out.

The situation where they had different hotel rooms? I would point out that they showed themselves sharing the same room multiple times. Way more than they showed themselves in separate rooms. There was even one that was a setup where it was like no space between the beds.

I'm not making an argument for yes-homo or no-homo here. Just pointing out that people are focusing on the negative, and that even if there is negative there are reasons for Dan and Phil not to want to share their sleeping arrangements in consistent detail with a potential 5+ million people.

ok hang on there.

i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.

I don't feel cheated because I don't have any expectation of them to divulge anything about their relationship that they aren't comfortable with. I don't feel like Dan implied there would be anything even remotely confirming or denying or even addressing their relationship in any of this, so it wasn't on my list of things to be watching for. Definitely bummed they didn't rely more on ambiguity for the bus thing, but not mad about it. In their position I'd be scared shitless of giving the audience too much information and the audience feeling entitled to that level of sharing from that point on, or what pressure would be placed upon them after that.

Yes, they don’t need to share their bedroom situation with 5 million people, they don’t need to divulge anything about their relationship if they aren’t comfortable with it and are simply private people. But that’s not what they did? They could have ignored the whole thing, they could have been more ambiguous about it, but they weren’t. Most people consider it as normal for a couple to share a room/bed and Dan and Phil must know that. Consequently (as also obvious from the amount of discussion in this forum), the majority of people does think them not sharing a room/bed is something of significance with regard to Phan. And the thing is: there is a difference between not giving anything away about a relationship and actively trying to give a wrong impression – that’s shitty behavior if there is no real reason for it. And there is no real reason for it in my opinion, because a) the overwhelming majority of the audience, including the casual viewers is fine with the idea of them being together even when they don't actively ship it b) as many people have pointed out it’s not strange for friends to share a room/bed. So people who don’t care about Phan/casual viewers/people that don’t know anything about them would have simply thought that they shared the room as friends. People who think they are together would have considered them sharing a room/bed as confirmation of Phan. So why would they actively put on such an act/fake the whole bedroom situation? It doesn't make sense to me. It’s even harmful, as many people who think they are together feel fooled. How would they explain this behavior if they want to come out?

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I was just thinking about this, why put in so much money (with Phil's cheap ass) into a ruse because it will send the wrong message to the crew, like what?!! The crew aren't obsessive phan shippers, they aren't aware of anything and are just a set of professionals minding their own business so why care if two best friends share a bed? Its not coming out, its just the most convenient option. Same with the hotel room (tho I have a theory that it might be the same room just that Phils portion was shot in the bedroom while Dan's was in the lounge area ). Does this even save them, no, not really. They made sure to emphasize their two separate beds even when sharing the room with Dan focusing on it while vlogging.

I cant blame people for taking this seriously or truly being hurt or disgusted because it makes sense. Dan said they are changing things about their branding and alot of people assumed that was establishing their relationship one way or the other. Of course that was an assumption but in a way it was a true one since the documentary was set to be perceived by larger audience and how they dealt with it now determines how they'll deal with it in the future. There's a difference between not coming out and coming out as "not together" which they did in this doc. They played the "we are platonic bros that cant even wipe whiskers off each other without there being a valid reason."

Yes we are entitled and yes they don't owe us any explanation but seeing them make a trailer with domestics and having Dan call it "domestic phan service" and hyping it all leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The best argument I can make in their favor is at the end of the day they're still two guys who genuinely love each other and have great chemistry and that part has always been honest and the rest as many said is up to personal interpretation

[000dia000]

http://thomassanders.com/post/151461466 ... n-and-phil

This is random but this is the one of the things I see after checking tumblr for the first time in days
I loved their vine together and wish they'd do more collabs at some point. Thomas is just the sweetest person on the whole of the internet (hell, go follow his tumblr it's like a heaven of positivity)

This is very OT bit I thought I might as well mention it if anybody is interested-

Thomas and his "friend" Leo had always been really, really shipbaity and I used to think a little for positive attention despite Thomas showing oodles of respect for the LGBT community that it felt weird for him to queer bait. But then he uploaded a picture of him and Leo kissing and then I was like AHhHhhh he never "came out" and doesn't label himself, doesn't really mention anything about the nature of him and Leo's relationship but it is just left for everybody to see for themselves and it's so cute.
This doesn't compare to deppy, their relationship and situation is so, so different, but I just wanted to bring up an example where a relationship may not be always "definite" or they nay not have "come out". Will deppy ever do something like this? Looking like it, no, but maybe ghost us (like they're already doing, lol)

[missemma]

mod note:

Please get voting, there are loads of options so make sure you check them all out before voting

i really really really want the next thread to be called.....

[nephilimcat]

Re: #busgate & feeling used:

(They are a couple in the following scenario)
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility that they aren't hiding it just from us, but people in their private lives? It doesn't seem like it because they seemed comfortable with each other recently, especially in their ls, but we don't know shit about their family and friends that aren't involved in YouTube. I don't know how many of you ever experienced being closeted, but sometimes you know that people will accept you and you are still too afraid to come out. We don't know who knows about their relationship. We all assume that their friends and Phil's family know, and I am pretty sure that's the case, but it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's Dan's family, which he rarely mentions. To protect them? Or maybe because they aren't that close? Who knows what they know. Maybe they'd watch a movie and documentary about Dan but not his regular videos or ls and that's why they went in the #phandivorced direction.
Reasons why they would hide it from the crew: They don't know them. Yes, they mostly won't care about Phan and if they are actually together, but you never know if not a person is there that would try to find proof and publish it. Maybe it's just because I don't trust people in general, but the crew was huge and they probably weren't close with a lot of them. So maybe they didn't feel comfortable being out to them for whatever reason. In that case, they didn't lie in the documentary and went to great lengths so the crew won't know anything. I couldn't blame them for that.
Last but not least: Maybe they assumed that a ridiculous tour and making sure that they had separate rooms would make people talk less about Phan and more about the documentary and show itself. They were wrong, but they can never know how we will react. Before Wednesday, some of us said that #busgate shouldn't be the main thing we talk about because the documentary is more than that. Yet 90% of the posts are about it and almost everyone said their opinion. Which is fine, I do it too, but we forget that Dan and Phil probably wanted to avoid it and instead of haruing it, which probably would have brought the discussion away from Phan, they went in the #phandivorced direction. Maybe they assumed that if they won't give us enough #phanconfirmed, we'd talk about other stuff. But they were wrong. Maybe they also didn't haru it because then we would have speculated and they thought this way we wouldn't. Again, they were wrong. And now people are angry with them. Guys, they are human, they aren't assholes, I refuse to believe that. I don't think they want to play with our feelings, but they probably don't know how to handle certain situations. And then they make mistakes. Which happens.
All I'm trying to say with this, is, that we need to think about all possible scenarios that inspired the way they presented Phan in the documentary. We can't know the reason and as long as there's no definite proof that they are disrespectful to their fans, I will not leave. I don't understand how them lying about the separate rooms or #busgate or phan, is a reason for some people to leave. They've been doing this before and they have their reasons. I don't think these reasons are that they don't appreciate and respect us.

[SquishPhan]

#busgate

They expect us to believe the charade of Dan sleeping on the bunk, they could at least try harder. I mean did anyone else notice Dan seems to be wearing the weed jumper (or a similar shirt that is black and white) under the pyjamas he's just got 'out of the bunk' wearing. Sure thing.

Just something cute I wanted to share

He is too cute for words.

#busgate

Yeah I'm really not buying that this is what they look like when they just woke up.

That really is cute.

Re: #busgate & feeling used:

(They are a couple in the following scenario)
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility that they aren't hiding it just from us, but people in their private lives? It doesn't seem like it because they seemed comfortable with each other recently, especially in their ls, but we don't know shit about their family and friends that aren't involved in YouTube. I don't know how many of you ever experienced being closeted, but sometimes you know that people will accept you and you are still too afraid to come out. We don't know who knows about their relationship. We all assume that their friends and Phil's family know, and I am pretty sure that's the case, but it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's Dan's family, which he rarely mentions. To protect them? Or maybe because they aren't that close? Who knows what they know. Maybe they'd watch a movie and documentary about Dan but not his regular videos or ls and that's why they went in the #phandivorced direction.
Reasons why they would hide it from the crew: They don't know them. Yes, they mostly won't care about Phan and if they are actually together, but you never know if not a person is there that would try to find proof and publish it. Maybe it's just because I don't trust people in general, but the crew was huge and they probably weren't close with a lot of them. So maybe they didn't feel comfortable being out to them for whatever reason. In that case, they didn't lie in the documentary and went to great lengths so the crew won't know anything. I couldn't blame them for that.
Last but not least: Maybe they assumed that a ridiculous tour and making sure that they had separate rooms would make people talk less about Phan and more about the documentary and show itself. They were wrong, but they can never know how we will react. Before Wednesday, some of us said that #busgate shouldn't be the main thing we talk about because the documentary is more than that. Yet 90% of the posts are about it and almost everyone said their opinion. Which is fine, I do it too, but we forget that Dan and Phil probably wanted to avoid it and instead of haruing it, which probably would have brought the discussion away from Phan, they went in the #phandivorced direction. Maybe they assumed that if they won't give us enough #phanconfirmed, we'd talk about other stuff. But they were wrong. Maybe they also didn't haru it because then we would have speculated and they thought this way we wouldn't. Again, they were wrong. And now people are angry with them. Guys, they are human, they aren't assholes, I refuse to believe that. I don't think they want to play with our feelings, but they probably don't know how to handle certain situations. And then they make mistakes. Which happens.
All I'm trying to say with this, is, that we need to think about all possible scenarios that inspired the way they presented Phan in the documentary. We can't know the reason and as long as there's no definite proof that they are disrespectful to their fans, I will not leave. I don't understand how them lying about the separate rooms or #busgate or phan, is a reason for some people to leave. They've been doing this before and they have their reasons. I don't think these reasons are that they don't appreciate and respect us.

I am sad that some people seem to focus so much on this one thing, that they neglect all the other great things that did share with us.

[kuensukki]

Re: #busgate & feeling used:

(They are a couple in the following scenario)
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility that they aren't hiding it just from us, but people in their private lives? It doesn't seem like it because they seemed comfortable with each other recently, especially in their ls, but we don't know shit about their family and friends that aren't involved in YouTube. I don't know how many of you ever experienced being closeted, but sometimes you know that people will accept you and you are still too afraid to come out. We don't know who knows about their relationship. We all assume that their friends and Phil's family know, and I am pretty sure that's the case, but it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's Dan's family, which he rarely mentions. To protect them? Or maybe because they aren't that close? Who knows what they know. Maybe they'd watch a movie and documentary about Dan but not his regular videos or ls and that's why they went in the #phandivorced direction.
Reasons why they would hide it from the crew: They don't know them. Yes, they mostly won't care about Phan and if they are actually together, but you never know if not a person is there that would try to find proof and publish it. Maybe it's just because I don't trust people in general, but the crew was huge and they probably weren't close with a lot of them. So maybe they didn't feel comfortable being out to them for whatever reason. In that case, they didn't lie in the documentary and went to great lengths so the crew won't know anything. I couldn't blame them for that.
Last but not least: Maybe they assumed that a ridiculous tour and making sure that they had separate rooms would make people talk less about Phan and more about the documentary and show itself. They were wrong, but they can never know how we will react. Before Wednesday, some of us said that #busgate shouldn't be the main thing we talk about because the documentary is more than that. Yet 90% of the posts are about it and almost everyone said their opinion. Which is fine, I do it too, but we forget that Dan and Phil probably wanted to avoid it and instead of haruing it, which probably would have brought the discussion away from Phan, they went in the #phandivorced direction. Maybe they assumed that if they won't give us enough #phanconfirmed, we'd talk about other stuff. But they were wrong. Maybe they also didn't haru it because then we would have speculated and they thought this way we wouldn't. Again, they were wrong. And now people are angry with them. Guys, they are human, they aren't assholes, I refuse to believe that. I don't think they want to play with our feelings, but they probably don't know how to handle certain situations. And then they make mistakes. Which happens.
All I'm trying to say with this, is, that we need to think about all possible scenarios that inspired the way they presented Phan in the documentary. We can't know the reason and as long as there's no definite proof that they are disrespectful to their fans, I will not leave. I don't understand how them lying about the separate rooms or #busgate or phan, is a reason for some people to leave. They've been doing this before and they have their reasons. I don't think these reasons are that they don't appreciate and respect us.

`I understand your opinions and found myself agreeing to some parts but honestly if they wanted it to not be the main focus they shouldn't have referred to it three times in the docu even elaborating a whole rock-papers-scissors game and wasting precious documentary time on it. They purposely made it a big deal and they did it in a very "slap in your face" way that left people confused and almost hurt by the bluntness. I think two boys can sleep in the same room and not automatically "come out" in the crews eyes (theyre just sleeping) I agree that they make mistakes and I get that they're human but I also see them as very aware of their audience and their audiences reactions so they must have somehow predicted the effect something like this would have. People as calculated and careful as deppy aren't the type to put something in a doc without careful thought. It was done with a purpose even tho Im confused on what the purpose was and I cant help but feel at odds because of it.

[nephilimcat]

Re: #busgate & feeling used:

(They are a couple in the following scenario)
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility that they aren't hiding it just from us, but people in their private lives? It doesn't seem like it because they seemed comfortable with each other recently, especially in their ls, but we don't know shit about their family and friends that aren't involved in YouTube. I don't know how many of you ever experienced being closeted, but sometimes you know that people will accept you and you are still too afraid to come out. We don't know who knows about their relationship. We all assume that their friends and Phil's family know, and I am pretty sure that's the case, but it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's Dan's family, which he rarely mentions. To protect them? Or maybe because they aren't that close? Who knows what they know. Maybe they'd watch a movie and documentary about Dan but not his regular videos or ls and that's why they went in the #phandivorced direction.
Reasons why they would hide it from the crew: They don't know them. Yes, they mostly won't care about Phan and if they are actually together, but you never know if not a person is there that would try to find proof and publish it. Maybe it's just because I don't trust people in general, but the crew was huge and they probably weren't close with a lot of them. So maybe they didn't feel comfortable being out to them for whatever reason. In that case, they didn't lie in the documentary and went to great lengths so the crew won't know anything. I couldn't blame them for that.
Last but not least: Maybe they assumed that a ridiculous tour and making sure that they had separate rooms would make people talk less about Phan and more about the documentary and show itself. They were wrong, but they can never know how we will react. Before Wednesday, some of us said that #busgate shouldn't be the main thing we talk about because the documentary is more than that. Yet 90% of the posts are about it and almost everyone said their opinion. Which is fine, I do it too, but we forget that Dan and Phil probably wanted to avoid it and instead of haruing it, which probably would have brought the discussion away from Phan, they went in the #phandivorced direction. Maybe they assumed that if they won't give us enough #phanconfirmed, we'd talk about other stuff. But they were wrong. Maybe they also didn't haru it because then we would have speculated and they thought this way we wouldn't. Again, they were wrong. And now people are angry with them. Guys, they are human, they aren't assholes, I refuse to believe that. I don't think they want to play with our feelings, but they probably don't know how to handle certain situations. And then they make mistakes. Which happens.
All I'm trying to say with this, is, that we need to think about all possible scenarios that inspired the way they presented Phan in the documentary. We can't know the reason and as long as there's no definite proof that they are disrespectful to their fans, I will not leave. I don't understand how them lying about the separate rooms or #busgate or phan, is a reason for some people to leave. They've been doing this before and they have their reasons. I don't think these reasons are that they don't appreciate and respect us.

`I understand your opinions and found myself agreeing to some parts but honestly if they wanted it to not be the main focus they shouldn't have referred to it three times in the docu even elaborating a whole rock-papers-scissors game and wasting precious documentary time on it. They purposely made it a big deal and they did it in a very "slap in your face" way that left people confused and almost hurt by the bluntness. I think two boys can sleep in the same room and not automatically "come out" in the crews eyes (theyre just sleeping) I agree that they make mistakes and I get that they're human but I also see them as very aware of their audience and their audiences reactions so they must have somehow predicted the effect something like this would have. People as calculated and careful as deppy aren't the type to put something in a doc without careful thought. It was done with a purpose even tho Im confused on what the purpose was and I cant help but feel at odds because of it.

´

Yeah, it's true that they're very aware of their audience, so they probably would have predicted our reactions, but who knows. That's why I won't be surprised if they have personal reasons. If it doesn't make sense to us, it has to be something like that.
Because what really annoys me, is that people who have been fans for years would expect Dan and Phil to use us in some way. It's just not who they are. They put so much effort in their book and their show to make sure we'll enjoy it. All the things they've said, especially in their ls or to fans, and done, make them seem like genuine, caring people. So either they've been faking this from the very beginning, which is absolutely ridiculous or we should try and understand why they did, what they did. And forgive them for the mistakes they make.
I understand that people felt sad and hurt, I wasn't too happy the first time watching it either, but I am willing to understand that it's not meant to be against us. Dan and Phil are the only YouTubers I am actually invested in, partly because of their non-exploitive, kind nature. I refuse to believe that it's fake. Why would any fan of them believe that they could be exploitive assholes, just because they did something we can't really explain (yet)?
And I'm not saying they are not aware of how to gain money and have business strategies, but they won't do something morally questionable. Which is the big difference between them and many other YouTubers.

[mysterylovescompany]

Yeah, it's true that they're very aware of their audience, so they probably would have predicted our reactions, but who knows. That's why I won't be surprised if they have personal reasons. If it doesn't make sense to us, it has to be something like that.
Because what really annoys me, is that people who have been fans for years would expect Dan and Phil to use us in some way. It's just not who they are. They put so much effort in their book and their show to make sure we'll enjoy it. All the things they've said, especially in their ls or to fans, and done, make them seem like genuine, caring people. So either they've been faking this from the very beginning, which is absolutely ridiculous or we should try and understand why they did, what they did. And forgive them for the mistakes they make.
I understand that people felt sad and hurt, I wasn't too happy the first time watching it either, but I am willing to understand that it's not meant to be against us. Dan and Phil are the only YouTubers I am actually invested in, partly because of their non-exploitive, kind nature. I refuse to believe that it's fake. Why would any fan of them believe that they could be exploitive assholes, just because they did something we can't really explain (yet)?
And I'm not saying they are not aware of how to gain money and have business strategies, but they won't do something morally questionable. Which is the big difference between them and many other YouTubers.

I am tired of this topic, but I really like this take on it, nephilimcat, and it's the one I agree with the most. So thank you for saying what I am thinking. Irrelevant phandom wank under the cut.

I do not think Dan and Phil owe us an explanation. There are many, many reasons why they might choose not to come out, and while this is a discussion forum, I don't think it is fair of us to slam them for not being as open with us -- strangers on the internet -- about their relationship as we would like. The show and doc were lovely, and I have appreciated all the thoughts on them, but now I'm just sad that #busgate has led to 95% of the conversation here being focused on the ethics of their relationship with each other and us.

Almost everywhere else in the phandom, I see happy, appreciative people who, while they may have noticed the strangeness of the bed/bunk situation, have the discretion not to focus more on it than the actual content present, because they recognise that it's doing deppy a disservice. IDB is the only place I have seen people focus so relentlessly on it, and, if I'm being honest, it makes me like IDB less.

I'm leaning towards missemma in this instance. I think I'm turning into an IDGAF-about-phan viewer, even thought I think they're together. And I don't mind at all. If this is what caring so much about somebody else's relationship is like, I don't want any part.

[papierklemmen]

lol come on i'm tried of the topic too

not manipulative, they're human, blah blah. whatever they were trying to do, they did it wrong. i don't think we even talk about their separate hotel rooms that much, because the way they address those is not as ridiculous as the bus thing was. and hey - they put those bus tour tags in... clearly they knew we'd be searching

but then again - how much input did they have in editing those vids? maybe the EDITOR is a massive troll and we've been blaming the wrong people all along.

[apathy]

There were questions a few pages back and no one's said it, so...

On not Hollywood/London documentary location:

The shot outside the diner establishes that they're in Nashville, TN. There's a lot of shots of TPAC as well, including the huge dressing room with the couches, so they apparently did a lot of professional filming there.

This time frame matches the earlier detective investigation of the calendar by the cereal pouring (the show was May 24), so it's likely the breakfast/wakeup scene was the same day as the diner.

These road shots are also Nashville area (615 area code billboard):


I'm just going to guess the red-white-blue jacket shots from the show were here as well since they only changed them at Dolby and it would make sense if they were doing lots of filming at once.

Also agree with many previous comments that it was better live, but more than anything, I'm happy to finally know all of the official lyrics.

Not personally offended by busgate no matter their personal status. All I know is, if people are this emotional over it, it's just further adding to the barriers of them ever making a definitive statement.

[Philena]

I've seen replies re:TATINOF from Tom and Tyler. Am I missing any other replies from their peers?

[DryCereal]

I've seen replies re:TATINOF from Tom and Tyler. Am I missing any other replies from their peers?

[karma_yeah]

apathy kudos to you on the excellent detective work. Any chance the unpleasant #phandivorced hotel room scene was also from Nashville? My bruised phanheart would like to believe that they didn’t have a camera crew with them all the time, and that the over-acted map-at-the-diner , we're-on-different-hotel-floors, and dan-sleeps-in-a-cramped-bunk scenes were also done in Nashville, and maybe they were able to just be “themselves” (whatever that is) most of the time.

Re: #busgate & feeling used:

(They are a couple in the following scenario)
Have you guys ever thought about the possibility that they aren't hiding it just from us, but people in their private lives? It doesn't seem like it because they seemed comfortable with each other recently, especially in their ls, but we don't know shit about their family and friends that aren't involved in YouTube. I don't know how many of you ever experienced being closeted, but sometimes you know that people will accept you and you are still too afraid to come out. We don't know who knows about their relationship. We all assume that their friends and Phil's family know, and I am pretty sure that's the case, but it doesn't have to be that way. And then there's Dan's family, which he rarely mentions. To protect them? Or maybe because they aren't that close? Who knows what they know. Maybe they'd watch a movie and documentary about Dan but not his regular videos or ls and that's why they went in the #phandivorced direction.
Reasons why they would hide it from the crew: They don't know them. Yes, they mostly won't care about Phan and if they are actually together, but you never know if not a person is there that would try to find proof and publish it. Maybe it's just because I don't trust people in general, but the crew was huge and they probably weren't close with a lot of them. So maybe they didn't feel comfortable being out to them for whatever reason. In that case, they didn't lie in the documentary and went to great lengths so the crew won't know anything. I couldn't blame them for that.
Last but not least: Maybe they assumed that a ridiculous tour and making sure that they had separate rooms would make people talk less about Phan and more about the documentary and show itself. They were wrong, but they can never know how we will react. Before Wednesday, some of us said that #busgate shouldn't be the main thing we talk about because the documentary is more than that. Yet 90% of the posts are about it and almost everyone said their opinion. Which is fine, I do it too, but we forget that Dan and Phil probably wanted to avoid it and instead of haruing it, which probably would have brought the discussion away from Phan, they went in the #phandivorced direction. Maybe they assumed that if they won't give us enough #phanconfirmed, we'd talk about other stuff. But they were wrong. Maybe they also didn't haru it because then we would have speculated and they thought this way we wouldn't. Again, they were wrong. And now people are angry with them. Guys, they are human, they aren't assholes, I refuse to believe that. I don't think they want to play with our feelings, but they probably don't know how to handle certain situations. And then they make mistakes. Which happens.
All I'm trying to say with this, is, that we need to think about all possible scenarios that inspired the way they presented Phan in the documentary. We can't know the reason and as long as there's no definite proof that they are disrespectful to their fans, I will not leave. I don't understand how them lying about the separate rooms or #busgate or phan, is a reason for some people to leave. They've been doing this before and they have their reasons. I don't think these reasons are that they don't appreciate and respect us.

`I understand your opinions and found myself agreeing to some parts but honestly if they wanted it to not be the main focus they shouldn't have referred to it three times in the docu even elaborating a whole rock-papers-scissors game and wasting precious documentary time on it. They purposely made it a big deal and they did it in a very "slap in your face" way that left people confused and almost hurt by the bluntness. I think two boys can sleep in the same room and not automatically "come out" in the crews eyes (theyre just sleeping) I agree that they make mistakes and I get that they're human but I also see them as very aware of their audience and their audiences reactions so they must have somehow predicted the effect something like this would have. People as calculated and careful as deppy aren't the type to put something in a doc without careful thought. It was done with a purpose even tho Im confused on what the purpose was and I cant help but feel at odds because of it.

nephilimcat I think your post was well-thought out and you make good points:
a) we don't know their family situations and may have very good reasons for keeping their personal relationship closeted (if that's what it is),
b) I wouldn't trust a crew of people I didn't know (regardless of how many non-disclosure statements they signed) either, and
c) maybe they did hope that by being very "in your face" about it, people would focus less on #busgate and more on the films, because after all, that's what's important to them.

And kuensukki I agree that they are very self-aware and those scenes were put there purposefully.

I don't think IDB is a microcosm of the general phandom. I think we're more heavily invested than average (maybe overly-invested/obsessed) and are more interested in the nature of their relationship than the average phandom member, so I think we tend to take things more personally than is their intent.

A lot of people here felt cheated, hurt, angry, and/or disappointed, myself included. I didn't like the #phandivorced parts and would have preferred they went the ambiguity route. At the same time, I can't imagine how much pressure that puts on them and understand why Dan kept calling it a shit storm.

However, I believe deep down they have good hearts, are well-intentioned, and do the best they can. Nobody is perfect, and the phandom has such a wide variety of followers (and therefore "needs/expectations"), there really is no way for them to "win". No matter what they do, someone is always going to feel were wrong about something they did or how they did it.

So I think I'm just going to wipe the tears out of my and try to appreciate them for who they are, warts and all, and continue to believe they're together until they move apart or one of them dates another living human being.

[majitzu]

Fam day at the museum? He looks good

[lishachi]

Fam day at the museum? He looks good

[lishachi]

[offtopic]do you guys prefer the gaming channel or their individual content? i find myself rewatching gaming videos and some of phils videos, like DITL or the Sleepless Night With Phil etc, but only very rarely will i rewatch dans. like i find them funny the first time, but rewatching doesn't really do anything for me. idk.

(sorry if this has been asked before)[/offtopic]

[mio]

Fam day at the museum? He looks good

god, if he's really with Phil + Family then this is such a couple-y activity
Is this the start of domestic fluff to make up for #busgate trolling?

[alittledizzy]

[offtopic]do you guys prefer the gaming channel or their individual content? i find myself rewatching gaming videos and some of phils videos, like DITL or the Sleepless Night With Phil etc, but only very rarely will i rewatch dans. like i find them funny the first time, but rewatching doesn't really do anything for me. idk.

(sorry if this has been asked before)[/offtopic]

I think the only video of Dan's I've rewatched a few times is his eye injury one, and few older ones ('I Nearly Died' and the heatroke one because I was trying so hard to write a fic based around one of them that just never ended up happening). Pretty sure the big appeal of the eye injury is that it's a story that involves Phil, though, so that might not even count.

I do rewatch solo Phil videos though. It's just soothing for me to hear Phil talk. With Dan's videos, they're usually a story and once it's over I know the punchline/moral and don't need to watch it again.

[eevee]

I still need to catch up on the #busgate bants from this page and last but I need to post in order to say:

wtFFFFF is Dan doing ohhhhh my god how does he make himself so attractive that scarf and that jacket and that pose I am NOT okay oh my FUCKing god how does he do it like sometimes he's a potato and sometimes he's the most attractive man on earth I am confused and I feel attacked and Phil is the actual luckiest man in the world