Daniel & Phil Part 44: This isn't a forever home

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Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)

pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!
Oh dear. Umm. Well I guess I have to answer the not together scenario... (Idonwanna!) what would it take for me to believe them? Admitting they had a fling at the beginning, but it got weird and they decided they would make better friends, are still the most important people to each other, it's just not romantic/physical. (I do not actually think this is the case and if it was they would never be that transparent about it, because that scenario would really be none of our bussiness). Really curious to see others thoughts on both sides though.

I have been having related thoughts based on others posts insisting they will never "come out" (by which I mean say they are in a relationship), which is probably true, but I can't help thinking, what if they got married? Would they really never share that? At all? (Not for us, but for them) I can see both sides but...

And now I'm feeling really emotionally vulnerable.

(Listening to their joint live show after Japan, is comforting though).
i never have thought about this! such a strange thought! i feel the same as autumnhearth, for the most part. if they admitted it being real at some point, or said that they still mean a lot to each other couple or not, i might believe it. it would be hard with them acting the same way they always have, but if they directly addressed the issue i would feel uncomfortable speculating anymore. because if it was real or not, they cared enough to say something so i would assume either way they were uncomfortable. and not just 2012 "this is new no homo" uncomfortable lol.

but i'm also team there's never gonna be a confirmation either way. actually, scratch that, here's a theory: when they're burnt out, done with youtube, ready to settle down. they make one final PINOF. and it's not the usual banter, it's serious and emotional and they're just talking about how excited they are to start a life after this, and they're holding hands. forget kissing or saying "we're married" or whatever, they're not like that, that's not their style.

but at that point, they would know we know. basically i think the closest we'll get to any confirmation is when they're done being youtubers, because then the reaction won't affect them anymore. (in regards to marriage, i feel like they could easily either hide it completely, or they would wait until the time when they were done, to do it at all)

wow that was a tangent, get me off this feels train. i know it's fanfic level dreaming, but it's fun to think about.

[offtopic]curiously, what exactly is the post-baking universe? i sense it has something to do with their behavior i'm just not sure exactly what part or why post-baking[/offtopic]
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Artdefines06 wrote:Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)


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I don't ship them or think they're together, so does that make me an "anti-phannie"? Idk, I don't have a problem with people shipping them, it's just not for me.

To answer your question, if they made a video tomorrow saying that they were together then I would certainly believe it. They've matured a lot in the last few years and I don't think they'd joke about something like that anymore. Also, they have real life friends and stuff who watch their videos and it would be too awks pretending they're together online and then being like "no homo" irl. One of their friends/acquaintances would let it slip, either accidentally or deliberately for attention so it wouldn't be a long term sustainable strategy. Plus it would just be a really cruel, deceptive and manipulative thing to do and I don't think Dan and Phil are those kinds of people. It's not like they're starving for attention anyways or their channels are dying, lol. They've got no motive to lie about something like that.

If they made a video tomorrow saying that they were together then I would be pretty #shook tbh. I'd happily admit I was wrong and I'd take my hat off to you guys for figuring it out, haha!
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llion wrote: [offtopic]curiously, what exactly is the post-baking universe? i sense it has something to do with their behavior i'm just not sure exactly what part or why post-baking[/offtopic]
Perhaps the best answer to that question is the anchor post of the eponymous IDB thread:

http://indepthbants.com/topic526.html

The "baking" refers to the Monster Pops Halloween baking video on Daniel's channel which was, in what I believe is also more-or-less a Daniel quote, "a hot sexual mess".
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[offtopic]curiously, what exactly is the post-baking universe? i sense it has something to do with their behavior i'm just not sure exactly what part or why post-baking[/offtopic]
Someone else probably has a better answer, but here is my attempt.

In 2016 DnP stated casually touching eachother and making mentions about being atracted to both sexes and generally being more open, especially during gaming videos. During the 2016 Spooky week there was a lot of anticipation for more of the touching and flirting since the jumpscares and intense concentration required in scary games help drop a lot of persona and boundaries. Unfortunately they didn't really play any seriously scary games, so there wasn't much and everyone was a tiny bit let down.

There was also hope for a new baking video since there had not been one in a long time, and baking videos are fun and cute and domestic. Dan had specifically said no, and Phil had said christmas baking, so we all gave up hope and cried a little.

Then on Halloween they dropped a surprise last minute baking video. (cue me looking for danisnotonfire in my subs list and being confused when its not there and wondering who daniel howell is lol)
To say that it is a bit different than their regular content is putting it lightly. No one knows what drugs they were on, but they are potent. I'm talking Amazing Dan levels of flirting and innuendo. Someone did a count and it was like four per minute. Blatant, obvious horny boys feeding eachother and giggling and daddy mentions and "I want your ass" and "stand in the hall of shame".

I remember watching it with my jaw on the floor. Who were these people and where had they been for the last six or seven years?

Dan had a liveshow the next day and the first question he answered was "WTF was that video?????!!!" He did not no homo or say we were over reacting or pretend it wasn't really sexual. He just said they filmed it late at night and we should blame that. Liveshow below, talk starts at 3:33
For the next few weeks anytime one of them made an innuendo or flirted Dan would say we were all living in a post-baking video universe, and that anything could happen. It was a meme. It was funny.

Last week he confirmed he plants seeds and eases us into stuff and honestly I wonder if that video was really as spontaneous as it seemed. This is Dan content, edited by him (probably), on his channel. Somehow I doubt he didn't approve every second of it or not realize what it seemed like. There has also been talk about how they had all the ingredients they needed.

Everything after that has been what we have now.
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That's a great explanation Artdefines06 Monster Pops was actually the first D&P video I ever watched, followed by some previous Halloween and Easter baking videos and then PINOF. So I had no idea that this was out of the ordinary, except for folks squeeing about it over on Tumblr, as that is what caused me to finally check them out. I've probably watched each of the baking videos three times. And until the most recent watch (last week?), I didn't fully appreciate just how much more sexual that one was, as they have always had innuendo (on Dan's part) but I get it now.

Looking forward to Halloween Baking 2017 in the new kitchen
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Hi! Soz for dropping in during the middle of a v. interesting conversation, but I was wondering if it's just me or is Dan's youtube channel unverified now? The link to his channel on DAPG doesn't have a li'l check mark and neither does his actual channel.
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dontpanic wrote:Hi! Soz for dropping in during the middle of a v. interesting conversation, but I was wondering if it's just me or is Dan's youtube channel unverified now? The link to his channel on DAPG doesn't have a li'l check mark and neither does his actual channel.
Not just you! I checked and Daniel Howell doesn't have a tick, unlike Amazing Phil, DAPG and DAPC (both side channels are also without ticks). I expect YouTube will return his tick very soon :)
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Artdefines06 wrote:Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)


pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!
I'd believe it.

My opinion about D&P is they are fairly unconventional men who have a fairly unconventional relationship (romantic or otherwise). People have interpreted their unconventional relationship as being romantic and D&P benefit greatly in terms of $$ from that now. They make money by keeping their audience engaged and interested. "Phan" is a part of that and they know it. I don't think they orchestrated phan on purpose- I don't think they ever set out to mislead people like that at all. But now that it has happened, I think they're hyper-aware of it and it influences all of their interactions in the public eye. I think they would lose money if they stopped catering to it, and they know that, so they won't anytime soon. But if they did, I absolutely would believe them, because I don't see what they have to gain from doing that.

If they sat down and seriously said they weren't together, the fallout would be horrendous.
1. The mystery would be gone - they would lose some appeal. (Not all, obviously)

2. Shippers would be disappointed and many would feel sad, possibly even depressed, AND blame them for ship baiting / queer-baiting, thus liking them considerably less

3. Non-shippers would accuse them of ship-baiting (edited typo) and probably rub it in former-shipping fans' faces

That would be a nightmare. Would they survive it? Maybe. They have a lot of people who love them as individual human beings and they are funny, intelligent guys. But I think it would seriously damage everything they have going on right now. So if they did that, yes I'd believe it.

In terms of why they don't make it clear:
IDB recently had a great discussion (IMO) about the expectation for non-straight people to come out which I think is important to point out here again. But also: they are entertainers. Their job is to engage and entertain their audience. Their job is not to disclose intimate details about their private lives. That's why I personally don't mind that they don't. Am I curious? Yeah, of course!! But I don't expect them to do that. They shouldn't have to; they don't have to.

This is my first post- hi. This is just my opinion- it's totally fine if people feel differently- I'm not attacking anyone who feels differently!
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:welcome: Grey really great points!
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llion wrote:
autumnhearth wrote:
Artdefines06 wrote:
Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)

pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!
Oh dear. Umm. Well I guess I have to answer the not together scenario... (Idonwanna!) what would it take for me to believe them? Admitting they had a fling at the beginning, but it got weird and they decided they would make better friends, are still the most important people to each other, it's just not romantic/physical. (I do not actually think this is the case and if it was they would never be that transparent about it, because that scenario would really be none of our bussiness). Really curious to see others thoughts on both sides though.

I have been having related thoughts based on others posts insisting they will never "come out" (by which I mean say they are in a relationship), which is probably true, but I can't help thinking, what if they got married? Would they really never share that? At all? (Not for us, but for them) I can see both sides but...

And now I'm feeling really emotionally vulnerable.

(Listening to their joint live show after Japan, is comforting though).
i never have thought about this! such a strange thought! i feel the same as autumnhearth, for the most part. if they admitted it being real at some point, or said that they still mean a lot to each other couple or not, i might believe it. it would be hard with them acting the same way they always have, but if they directly addressed the issue i would feel uncomfortable speculating anymore. because if it was real or not, they cared enough to say something so i would assume either way they were uncomfortable. and not just 2012 "this is new no homo" uncomfortable lol.

but i'm also team there's never gonna be a confirmation either way. actually, scratch that, here's a theory: when they're burnt out, done with youtube, ready to settle down. they make one final PINOF. and it's not the usual banter, it's serious and emotional and they're just talking about how excited they are to start a life after this, and they're holding hands. forget kissing or saying "we're married" or whatever, they're not like that, that's not their style.

but at that point, they would know we know. basically i think the closest we'll get to any confirmation is when they're done being youtubers, because then the reaction won't affect them anymore. (in regards to marriage, i feel like they could easily either hide it completely, or they would wait until the time when they were done, to do it at all)

wow that was a tangent, get me off this feels train. i know it's fanfic level dreaming, but it's fun to think about.

[offtopic]curiously, what exactly is the post-baking universe? i sense it has something to do with their behavior i'm just not sure exactly what part or why post-baking[/offtopic]
I have also always thought they won't confirm unless maybe when leaving YouTube. I'm pretty sure due to the Dan's little brother drama that Dan wouldn't have kids while on YouTube.

Still, I've been watching old deppy vids and the ones about Dan telling us "embarrassing" things he's done and how he's straight out lied when he was confronted about doing the "embarrassing" thing made me have a thought that maybe someday Dan will tell of the story of voldy getting leaked and the embarrassment and how he lied bc he couldn't deal with it. If he was lying about the whole "it was an April fools joke" I would love it to be handled this way. If I am ever to be 100% convinced they are together, I guess I'd need him to explain the denials or make a confirmation that would supersede them.
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Susanisnotafish wrote:Still, I've been watching old deppy vids and the ones about Dan telling us "embarrassing" things he's done and how he's straight out lied when he was confronted about doing the "embarrassing" thing made me have a thought that maybe someday Dan will tell of the story of voldy getting leaked and the embarrassment and how he lied bc he couldn't deal with it. If he was lying about the whole "it was an April fools joke" I would love it to be handled this way. If I am ever to be 100% convinced they are together, I guess I'd need him to explain the denials or make a confirmation that would supersede them.
personally, i don't think there's any reason for, if they are together, for him to explain the denials. there are plenty of reasons someone would deny being in a same sex relationship and even more reasons if that person is in the public eye. the denials, to me, make sense as part of their story and i think it's entirely understandable why they wouldn't be ready to be 'out' to the entire world. because them being 'out' online doesn't just mean online, it means, potentially, to their family, friends, acquaintances, everybody.

you, and others, may want more, but the move and the confirmation of their future joint dog is enough for me.
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Susanisnotafish and Grey had amazing points of view, imo.

I think for me, personally, to be convinced 100% of their relationship I would need exactly that, a sit-down, no jokes, heart-to-heart of sorts. This goes either way. I mean, I'm like 99% convinced they are together on most days, but I will never say 100% until they tell me.

It makes me feel bad to say that I'd believe them today when I don't believe their past selves, but I feel like so much has changed.

Tbh, even though I say I believe they're together, I guess I don't really mean that. I think there is a high chance that they don't follow what we would typically consider a romantic LT relationship. I don't necessarily believe they share a bedroom, for example. What I am convinced of is that they are very fond of each other, very committed to each other and their life together, and love each other very deeply. I'm not sure how much I care about the rest of the details.
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Hooray, they haven't forgotten us!
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DatCog wrote:Hooray, they haven't forgotten us!
FINALLY!!! I'm so excited my god
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Ashling Rae wrote:Susanisnotafish and Grey had amazing points of view, imo.

I think for me, personally, to be convinced 100% of their relationship I would need exactly that, a sit-down, no jokes, heart-to-heart of sorts. This goes either way. I mean, I'm like 99% convinced they are together on most days, but I will never say 100% until they tell me.

It makes me feel bad to say that I'd believe them today when I don't believe their past selves, but I feel like so much has changed.

Tbh, even though I say I believe they're together, I guess I don't really mean that. I think there is a high chance that they don't follow what we would typically consider a romantic LT relationship. I don't necessarily believe they share a bedroom, for example. What I am convinced of is that they are very fond of each other, very committed to each other and their life together, and love each other very deeply. I'm not sure how much I care about the rest of the details.
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Not my fave Sims vid, but still enjoyable. Thought the beginning with them talking about daycare was sweet.

I honestly don't think that Dab and Evan are very cute as children, their toddlers selves were way cuter. I miss the cool hair.
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awww I loved the video :) I am honestly so excited about the sims series, the videos are always so fun and calm and make me just really happy. I am so excited about dab and evan's friendship and how they plan on doing so much with that!
I do actually hope for them romancing each other once they're teens, because that makes for some exciting content, but let's let them be kids first for a while

At around 5:40 there's a moment where deppy are making the same joke that I don't understand and these moments always make my heart feel so BIG. when they're referencing the same thing, or seem to have an inside joke, that always makes me feel so happy! I think it's just that it shows me how much of their lives are built in absence of the cameras and how much they share and i don't know, that's just a happy thing to me.
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My power went out halfway through this video, so I won't really have further commentary until I can finish it but... that whole first thirty seconds with Dan's "Think of the children.... we're not." and then immediately tying it to the audience ("Not that you're children.") then immediately tying that to the audience thinking too much about what they say ("Don't talk about the words, they just come...")... the many layers of Dan's mind.
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fondsmiles wrote:At around 5:40 there's a moment where deppy are making the same joke that I don't understand and these moments always make my heart feel so BIG. when they're referencing the same thing, or seem to have an inside joke, that always makes me feel so happy! I think it's just that it shows me how much of their lives are built in absence of the cameras and how much they share and i don't know, that's just a happy thing to me.
they were referencing chop suey by system of a down but agreed that it was cute.

ALSO at 1:12 when dan says 'you're ready to pick up on everything aren't you' and phil says 'you can see it all' did anyone think they were referencing more than just that specific moment? it stuck out to me right away and i had to replay it
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I think I would mostly only believe they're not in a relationship if they admitted either they're attracted to each other but not interested in that kind of relationship, used to have a thing but don't anymore but are still close, or were just pretending for the shipping attention and then proceed to stop being flirty and stuff.

That or if they moved away from each other and both got separate live in partners and yadda yadda. In which case I would think they broke up, not that they were never together.





Oh, new video!

What they're wearing matches the color scheme of the room. This pleases me more than I could have anticipated

And now I want delivery cake... although I could just walk half a block away and get some. Hmm.
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The Sims video was quite boring to me but the sandbox part kinda saved it because it made me smile.

RIP the funny end cards, they'll never be the same.
awsugar wrote: ALSO at 1:12 when dan says 'you're ready to pick up on everything aren't you' and phil says 'you can see it all' did anyone think they were referencing more than just that specific moment? it stuck out to me right away and i had to replay it
I was very over this as well. But it's not really a strange comment considering how the phandom's recent 'predictions' over them moving and Dan rebranding turned out to be true. Probably just referring to that.
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dan has his earrings back in??
Wow does look like it. Didn't think we were going to see those again.
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Ah and the game of which youtubers are shameless enough to creepshot deppy for the likes begins...
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