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bookfiend wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:22 pm

archived wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:37 pm Also, for people who believe Dan and Phil share a room. What do you make of the sign on his dorr that says 'Daniel's room' then some Japanese characters.

Easy, it's not the door to the moon room but his office room in the slounge.

Look at the wall it's not wall but the grey curtains and you can see Dan move in the glass as he's peaking out the door

fancybum wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:16 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:07 pm

aonokanata wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:59 pm I'm really feeling down about Dan & Phil being friends with PewdiePie. I was watching a recent live show, and I picked up on (IIRC) Dan mentioning them playing some game or whatever with "Felix and Marzia." This was well after the whole thing about PewdiePie being (rightfully) blasted by the media for his trend of making anti-Semitic jokes... at least I think so anyway, if anyone knows the live show I'm talking about, feel free to correct me.

And now that PewdiePie is getting a ton of heat (again... rightfully) for using the N-word on a stream, I am officially finding it inexcusable for them to remain friends with him. I don't care if PewdiePie is the nicest guy IRL, or -insert excuse here-, why are they still associating with someone who makes such hateful "jokes" and says such vile words??

I wouldn't be too surprised. Dan loves Kanye West, remember? But I would say that while PewDiePie is saying awful things it's not something many people would give up a friendship for - rather, they'd try to re-educate them and make sure they never say it in their presence or anyone's it causes harm to, if not at all. Plus, it's not fair to expect them to cut Felix out all of a sudden when he's a colleague they'll have to interact with at parties etc. in the future. But I get your feelings and I'm sorry you're down about it

What? That's totally fair. Everybody should cut him out and he should be shunned from parties tbh (not that I think he's that actively involved in YT get-togethers anyway, nor has he ever been), that's a complete non-issue. When even was the last time D&P hung out with Felix/Marzia? I don't think there's much close friendship there to cling onto anyway and even if there was, it's beyond time they said something about how gross he's been and continues to be.

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:39 pm mental health - I'm not going to quote any single person, but I will respond to the discussion at large.

I don't think it's fair to condemn Dan for his remarks regarding mental health. How can you know he is just making jokes? Just because he is a successful person with a (objectively speaking) good life doesn't mean he can't suffer from agoraphobia, social anxiety etc. See Chester Bennington for a more recent example of what mental issues can do to a person that from the outside seems to have it all. We don't know if Dan has any issues, and it's not fair to definitely say that he does, but it's also not fair to state that he doesn't and he's exaggerating for a video.

I personally suffer from depression, severe anxiety and OCD (no, I'm not self-diagnosed). I joke about it at times, and I try to make it out like it's nothing, but it's really not. Those are real things that affect your entire life and I don't think it's right to assume Dan is just trying to be #relatable. He might actually suffer from all these things. Whether he's seen a professional or is just trying to name his issues in what terms he can is his problem, not ours, and making such assumptions is very invasive imo.

I see his jokes, which are more and more honest these days, as a coping mechanism I can relate to, not a way to get more fans and sell them more backpacks. Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but I hate seeing stuff like that, please be gentle when assuming things of this sort.

lemon something wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:21 am I loved most of the video. I'm always entertained by danecdotes and there was great Phil content. The "one of the most fun years that I ever had" ending spoilt it for me though. Really Dan? When you've just described how you went to one seminar the entire year and always sat in the corner at the back in lectures? And described the impact of quite severe anxiety on your first week? Of the course you left after a year?

As someone who genuinely had a difficult time at university because of anxiety, the disconnect between the statement and the rest of the video was too strong and left it feeling disingenuous. Either the end statement wasn't true and shouldn't have been in there, or I wanted an explanation of how things got better. Of course the huge thing that it's hard for Dan to talk about is the true impact of having a Phil nearby. I'm sure he provided more fun, support and stress relief than can be explained by his ownership of a washing machine.

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:13 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:07 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:49 pm

archived wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:37 pmNot entirely so happy about the agoraphobia joke. Like some of his #relatable jokes, although I acknowledge he uses humour as a 'coping mechanism' as do I, seem forced at the best of times and kind of annoy me. Like general jokes about being awkward and not going outside are one thing but agoraphobia is quite serious from my knowledge and it seemed insulting for him to exploit it for a generic joke.

I've seen other people express similar sentiments but out of laziness am only quoting you, though I invite anyone to answer: How is him (twice now, since he also said it in the meme video) saying that he uses relatable humor to deal with agoraphobia, making agoraphobia into a joke? To me that sounds like he's offering a qualifier to his audience. He literally spelled it out in the meme video, the exact quote is: ""Before you start laughing, let me make you feel bad and explain myself: I am socially awkward, incredibly anxious, and have mild agoraphobia." That's just... not a joke. That's Dan making a statement firsthand about himself.

I don't like it either because agoraphobia is serious and calling it mild shows that this is perhaps him self-diagnosing. It's like people saying "oh, I'm a bit bipolar". God, I get annoyed by self diagnosers

Why would you assume a self-diagnosis based on the word mild? We don't know one way or the other, but mild forms of mental health conditions do exist. That's why some people are medicated and therapy works for some, why medications come in varying doses. Because not everyone experiences these issues at the same depth. But just because someone doesn't suffer the worst possible scenario of a condition doesn't mean that they don't have the condition at all?

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:48 pm

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:39 pm mental health - I'm not going to quote any single person, but I will respond to the discussion at large.

I don't think it's fair to condemn Dan for his remarks regarding mental health. How can you know he is just making jokes? Just because he is a successful person with a (objectively speaking) good life doesn't mean he can't suffer from agoraphobia, social anxiety etc. See Chester Bennington for a more recent example of what mental issues can do to a person that from the outside seems to have it all. We don't know if Dan has any issues, and it's not fair to definitely say that he does, but it's also not fair to state that he doesn't and he's exaggerating for a video.

I personally suffer from depression, severe anxiety and OCD (no, I'm not self-diagnosed). I joke about it at times, and I try to make it out like it's nothing, but it's really not. Those are real things that affect your entire life and I don't think it's right to assume Dan is just trying to be #relatable. He might actually suffer from all these things. Whether he's seen a professional or is just trying to name his issues in what terms he can is his problem, not ours, and making such assumptions is very invasive imo.

I see his jokes, which are more and more honest these days, as a coping mechanism I can relate to, not a way to get more fans and sell them more backpacks. Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but I hate seeing stuff like that, please be gentle when assuming things of this sort.

I agree with your post, with the exception of the part you bolded. I do think it's okay to accept that Dan has the issues that Dan says he has. Fans projecting issues on him is obviously not okay but if Dan is willing to say to six million people that he has social anxiety and (mild, or worsening) agoraphobia... that's enough for me to trust and take it as fact.

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm Personal experience dealing with some types of people who like to exaggerate things but not so much so that they can get called out. And of course there are mild forms of mental health conditions - I would know - so maybe it's more the aloof way that he said it paired with the words that got under my nerves. But that could also be a coping mechanism, grr.

But, hey, isn't there a rule about armchair diagnosing? Why does one thing have to be wrong and th other correct? We don't have confirmation of either - Dan could have agoraphobia or he could be totally insensitive. So let's stop defending on the maybes and I'll in return stop attacking on the maybes :/

Also, comparing it to bipolar is perfectly reasonable as bipolar is just another illness people claim to "have a bit of" commonly. Just like OCD and autism are too. That's all part of the wider problem.

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:39 pm mental health - I'm not going to quote any single person, but I will respond to the discussion at large.

I don't think it's fair to condemn Dan for his remarks regarding mental health. How can you know he is just making jokes? Just because he is a successful person with a (objectively speaking) good life doesn't mean he can't suffer from agoraphobia, social anxiety etc. See Chester Bennington for a more recent example of what mental issues can do to a person that from the outside seems to have it all. We don't know if Dan has any issues, and it's not fair to definitely say that he does, but it's also not fair to state that he doesn't and he's exaggerating for a video.

I personally suffer from depression, severe anxiety and OCD (no, I'm not self-diagnosed). I joke about it at times, and I try to make it out like it's nothing, but it's really not. Those are real things that affect your entire life and I don't think it's right to assume Dan is just trying to be #relatable. He might actually suffer from all these things. Whether he's seen a professional or is just trying to name his issues in what terms he can is his problem, not ours, and making such assumptions is very invasive imo.

I see his jokes, which are more and more honest these days, as a coping mechanism I can relate to, not a way to get more fans and sell them more backpacks. Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but I hate seeing stuff like that, please be gentle when assuming things of this sort.

goingbackto505 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:52 pm I'm probably one of the very few people who didn't enjoy Dan's video that much, even though I was looking forward to it. all of the skits were great though, as well as the editing, not to mention the Phil cameos but I found the structure of the way he told the stories to be a bit strange, in a sense that I didn't fully get what he was actually going for, like, the conclusion wasn't clear to me. basically, that's pretty much what I think as well:

lemon something wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:21 am I loved most of the video. I'm always entertained by danecdotes and there was great Phil content. The "one of the most fun years that I ever had" ending spoilt it for me though. Really Dan? When you've just described how you went to one seminar the entire year and always sat in the corner at the back in lectures? And described the impact of quite severe anxiety on your first week? Of the course you left after a year?

As someone who genuinely had a difficult time at university because of anxiety, the disconnect between the statement and the rest of the video was too strong and left it feeling disingenuous. Either the end statement wasn't true and shouldn't have been in there, or I wanted an explanation of how things got better. Of course the huge thing that it's hard for Dan to talk about is the true impact of having a Phil nearby. I'm sure he provided more fun, support and stress relief than can be explained by his ownership of a washing machine.

and personally, his usage of the word "agoraphobia" upsets me as someone who knows what it is firsthand. my problem with what Dan said is the fact that he over-exaggerates everything, and I think it's not very cool to do so when it comes to mental illnesses. for example, he can go outside. he's literally on vacation right now. he does plenty of things agoraphobia doesn't "allow" you to do. so I'd appreciate it if he actually stopped and considered the fact that for some people not being able to go outside is a reality, and that panic disorders aren't "relatable". I get that he's socially anxious and doesn't like interacting with people much, but calling it agoraphobia and claiming that he never leaves the house is just :/ and I realize nobody on here will agree with me, because it's hard to understand and I don't really expect it, but that's just what I think. I get that it's Dan's way of coping, but it's not healthy or good to glorify such things on his large platform. maybe if he actually makes a video discussing mental health I could understand him better, because so far I just don't get when he's serious or when he simply tries to be edgy/is being extra over-dramatic for comedic effect.

and I honestly don't believe DnP will drop Felix. they didn't do it after all of his antisemitic ""jokes"", so I'd be really surprised if they actually decide to publicly condemn his actions/words, let alone stop associating with him.

goingbackto505 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:52 pm I'm probably one of the very few people who didn't enjoy Dan's video that much, even though I was looking forward to it. all of the skits were great though, as well as the editing, not to mention the Phil cameos but I found the structure of the way he told the stories to be a bit strange, in a sense that I didn't fully get what he was actually going for, like, the conclusion wasn't clear to me. basically, that's pretty much what I think as well:

lemon something wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:21 am I loved most of the video. I'm always entertained by danecdotes and there was great Phil content. The "one of the most fun years that I ever had" ending spoilt it for me though. Really Dan? When you've just described how you went to one seminar the entire year and always sat in the corner at the back in lectures? And described the impact of quite severe anxiety on your first week? Of the course you left after a year?

As someone who genuinely had a difficult time at university because of anxiety, the disconnect between the statement and the rest of the video was too strong and left it feeling disingenuous. Either the end statement wasn't true and shouldn't have been in there, or I wanted an explanation of how things got better. Of course the huge thing that it's hard for Dan to talk about is the true impact of having a Phil nearby. I'm sure he provided more fun, support and stress relief than can be explained by his ownership of a washing machine.

and personally, his usage of the word "agoraphobia" upsets me as someone who knows what it is firsthand. my problem with what Dan said is the fact that he over-exaggerates everything, and I think it's not very cool to do so when it comes to mental illnesses. for example, he can go outside. he's literally on vacation right now. he does plenty of things agoraphobia doesn't "allow" you to do. so I'd appreciate it if he actually stopped and considered the fact that for some people not being able to go outside is a reality, and that panic disorders aren't "relatable". I get that he's socially anxious and doesn't like interacting with people much, but calling it agoraphobia and claiming that he never leaves the house is just :/ and I realize nobody on here will agree with me, because it's hard to understand and I don't really expect it, but that's just what I think. I get that it's Dan's way of coping, but it's not healthy or good to glorify such things on his large platform. maybe if he actually makes a video discussing mental health I could understand him better, because so far I just don't get when he's serious or when he simply tries to be edgy/is being extra over-dramatic for comedic effect.

and I honestly don't believe DnP will drop Felix. they didn't do it after all of his antisemitic ""jokes"", so I'd be really surprised if they actually decide to publicly condemn his actions/words, let alone stop associating with him.

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pmBut, hey, isn't there a rule about armchair diagnosing? Why does one thing have to be wrong and th other correct? We don't have confirmation of either - Dan could have agoraphobia or he could be totally insensitive. So let's stop defending on the maybes and I'll in return stop attacking on the maybes :/

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:00 pm
This is exactly what I mean when I say people assume Dan is healthy despite him explicitly stating otherwise. What does he have to do, or say, for you to accept the agoraphobia/social anxiety as a real thing and not a joke?

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:10 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pmBut, hey, isn't there a rule about armchair diagnosing? Why does one thing have to be wrong and th other correct? We don't have confirmation of either - Dan could have agoraphobia or he could be totally insensitive. So let's stop defending on the maybes and I'll in return stop attacking on the maybes :/

There is a rule against armchair diagnosing, you are correct. But confirmation of issues that come from Dan himself do not count as armchair diagnosis.

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:12 pm

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:00 pm
This is exactly what I mean when I say people assume Dan is healthy despite him explicitly stating otherwise. What does he have to do, or say, for you to accept the agoraphobia/social anxiety as a real thing and not a joke?

There's no need to be rude to other people for expressing an opinion. It's only about Dan and Phil, and comes from a place of good and personal experiences with mental health. What does he have to do to make it sound like a real thing and not a joke? .... He has to say it as not a joke.

Also, please don't slash the agoraphobia and social anxiety as if they're one and the same. They have links, just like OCD and autism, but they're not the same.

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:12 pm

Ablissa wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:00 pm
This is exactly what I mean when I say people assume Dan is healthy despite him explicitly stating otherwise. What does he have to do, or say, for you to accept the agoraphobia/social anxiety as a real thing and not a joke?

There's no need to be rude to other people for expressing an opinion. It's only about Dan and Phil, and comes from a place of good and personal experiences with mental health. What does he have to do to make it sound like a real thing and not a joke? .... He has to say it as not a joke.

Also, please don't slash the agoraphobia and social anxiety as if they're one and the same. They have links, just like OCD and autism, but they're not the same.

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:15 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:10 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pmBut, hey, isn't there a rule about armchair diagnosing? Why does one thing have to be wrong and th other correct? We don't have confirmation of either - Dan could have agoraphobia or he could be totally insensitive. So let's stop defending on the maybes and I'll in return stop attacking on the maybes :/

There is a rule against armchair diagnosing, you are correct. But confirmation of issues that come from Dan himself do not count as armchair diagnosis.

The confirmation is ambiguous at best, however. It's like someone telling you they're pregnant while laughing. Maybe it differs from person to person but I'll still count what's going on as armchair diagnosing. (Also, he said he had agoraphobia, not social anxiety. He uses social anxiety as an adjective more commonly ie "as a socially anxious person" or "I was feeling socially anxious" which, as he himself said before in a livestream, after anxietygate, is a feeling, not just a disorder.)

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:15 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:10 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pmBut, hey, isn't there a rule about armchair diagnosing? Why does one thing have to be wrong and th other correct? We don't have confirmation of either - Dan could have agoraphobia or he could be totally insensitive. So let's stop defending on the maybes and I'll in return stop attacking on the maybes :/

There is a rule against armchair diagnosing, you are correct. But confirmation of issues that come from Dan himself do not count as armchair diagnosis.

The confirmation is ambiguous at best, however. It's like someone telling you they're pregnant while laughing. Maybe it differs from person to person but I'll still count what's going on as armchair diagnosing. (Also, he said he had agoraphobia, not social anxiety. He uses social anxiety as an adjective more commonly ie "as a socially anxious person" or "I was feeling socially anxious" which, as he himself said before in a livestream, after anxietygate, is a feeling, not just a disorder.)

goldenmermaid wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:25 pm

bookfiend wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:22 pm

archived wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:37 pm Also, for people who believe Dan and Phil share a room. What do you make of the sign on his dorr that says 'Daniel's room' then some Japanese characters.

Easy, it's not the door to the moon room but his office room in the slounge.

Look at the wall it's not wall but the grey curtains and you can see Dan move in the glass as he's peaking out the door

Also, he could have quite easily put that sign up just for the purpose of the videa, which is what I assumed he did.

goingbackto505 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:34 pm thank you for understanding and agreeing, gohomohowell I think him constantly saying that he never leaves the house and the way he obviously jokingly says how "oh wow guys can you believe i went outside last week omfg how unusual is that wow!1!" is the only thing that really upsets me about his humour/coping mechanism, because I personally have been dealing with that for the past few years. if he gets anxious when he has to go somewhere but he manages to do it without any sort of medication/therapy, then it's absolutely not a severe situation, but he always makes it sound like for him being outside of his house is terrifying. which it obviously isn't in his case, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do all the things he does regularly, as a job or not. and yeah, it really sucks and can limit your everyday life so much, in every aspect of it. all I'm asking from Dan is to be a bit more considerate and more clear, since he decided to bring up such a serious mental illness into discussion. there's no need to throw serious diagnoses lightly. I think it's not too much to ask.