Dan & Phil Part 49: Don't curl, quiff

[cherrybomb3]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

[pastelspectre]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

hey dan don't feel bad! i think a lot of us were just surprised is all. sorry if we made you uncomfortable tho cherrybomb

[alittledizzy]

Also, don't mean to burst any bubbles, but Dan probs selected guys and gals so he had more people to respond to, with the potential wider range (I mean I'm 100% certain Dan is attracted to males and females, but for this vid in an app he isn't using seriously, it was just so he could have more convos).

I'll say the same thing here that I said in an ask response on tumblr:

I don't think London has a current shortage of girls, leaving him with no option but to pick guys as well.

[ArtyJim]

but also hello yes i literally am the "over the top sad internet person" (binge eating, social isolation, horrible sleep patterns and all), and while dan clearly isn't as much like that now, he genuinely was for a bit, and maybe he still thinks of himself as that same sad kid?

maybe he's worried it'll all go away if he acknowledges how good he's doing. you know what i mean?

[MaggieW]

catch me crying about this on nihilist-toothpaste's blog

I'm so happy for Dan, for how comfortable he seems with this.

[neetbuzzer]

so okay last year I had to drop my college courses and get Hella Therapy because I was so mired in suicidal ideation I literally could not get out of bed for days at a time. it was one of the worst times of my life, and it's still sorta lingering around. I was surprised at how specific dan's jokes were, yeah, but I think the person who was like "is the a cry for help or" was the reaction he was going for. I totally understand why that would be unnerving for someone and also unexpected (to a degree; it is dan) in a #spon video, but personally the way he said it made me feel more like "one of us, one of us*" vs. a mocking, flippant tone.
it's subjective as all hell and I do understand that some would feel it's Too Much.

*hopefully THAT doesn't come off mocking & flippant; what I mean is dan has at least alluded to having some mental health stuff going on, so I don't read it as malicious or cruel on his part.

[cherrybomb3]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

hey dan don't feel bad! i think a lot of us were just surprised is all. sorry if we made you uncomfortable tho cherrybomb

no dont be a muffin i hope we're all less explicit about it all here but its just the making it into a thing that slightly higgledy piggledy if you get me not in a terrible way just a tad


totally sound like a homophobe here sorry i just can't articulate properly

[MaggieW]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

Ahhh sorry if I made you feel bad, I didn't want to, I guess I just feel happy because I struggle with my own sexuality and seeing Dan like this it's helping me being more comfortable with myself? I should stop projecting tho

[Catallena]

Firstly, the danisnotonfire brand: "I crave death and I'm so relatable" is overused, and beaten to death in this video. I know he officially "re-branded", but has he really?

He changed his display name, I don't think he ever said his content was rebranding.

A year ago I felt like the 'crave death' humor was over the top and it annoyed the fuck out of me. But the more Dan has opened up about actual mental health issues, the less it bothers me. To me that takes it away from #relatable and more into an area where I can see Dan legitimately using it as a coping mechanism for feelings he actually has. And I'm not gonna give anyone shit for their coping mechanism, even if it equates to humor that doesn't appeal to me personally.

And it actually doesn't appeal to me usually - but for some reason this time it totally did? His pick up lines were so tongue in cheek and like satirical version of a real Tinder conversation that I laughed.

I'd agree if these weren't the same joke he was making 5 years ago while he has said that he's been happier than ever since then. Notice that I'm not saying that his life is better now so he can't suffer from mental health problems anymore or whatever, I'm just repeating what he himself has said and am interpreting his recent behavior on social media and stuff. There's a difference, it's obvious to almost everyone. So there's obviously a divide between how he feels in real life and what he says in these videos. I do think the jokes come from a very real place and that he genuinely related to them because of whatever mental health issues he has, but I don't believe his outlook is still the same as these somewhat date jokes suggest. We keep seeing a Dan who applies more and more nuance to his life as he matures, but he doesn't seem to want to carry that over to his online presence. That's his full right no matter his reasons, but it does suggest a persona more than anything to me.

[Birdie]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad

I guess people were just happy that happened because they somehow doubted it would happen after all? I mean, I can only speak for myself but I was glad to see he included guys because I was a tiny bit afraid he might not and people would freak out that "omg he went back to 2012!" all over the place so I was... relieved (?) he made the video the way he did. I get your point though.

[cherrybomb3]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

Ahhh sorry if I made you feel bad, I didn't want to, I guess I just feel happy because I struggle with my own sexuality and seeing Dan like this it's helping me being more comfortable with myself? I should stop projecting tho

nonono fuck sorry i put that so terribly im not tryinh to call anyone out im way too bad at confrontation and its amazing that you are more comfortable with yourself you totally should and deserve to be its the best way to happiness i just was trying (badly) to say that the pointing it out (not on here) just makes me feel a bit like '... well yep' yno

honestly ignore me its not a genuine opinion at all just a stray feeling that was expressed badly and isnt even strongly felt

[neetbuzzer]

We keep seeing a Dan who applies more and more nuance to his life as he matures, but he doesn't seem to want to carry that over to his online presence. That's his full right no matter his reasons, but it does suggest a persona more than anything to me.

this is superbly put and I agree, to some extent; I think he is trying to sloooowly introduce that same nuance into his online presence, and what we're seeing now is sort of the "growing pains" stage where the same jokes, etc. are a bit of a security blanket as he transitions into his new content/vibe/what have you

[droopy]

Firstly, the danisnotonfire brand: "I crave death and I'm so relatable" is overused, and beaten to death in this video. I know he officially "re-branded", but has he really?

He changed his display name, I don't think he ever said his content was rebranding.

A year ago I felt like the 'crave death' humor was over the top and it annoyed the fuck out of me. But the more Dan has opened up about actual mental health issues, the less it bothers me. To me that takes it away from #relatable and more into an area where I can see Dan legitimately using it as a coping mechanism for feelings he actually has. And I'm not gonna give anyone shit for their coping mechanism, even if it equates to humor that doesn't appeal to me personally.

And it actually doesn't appeal to me usually - but for some reason this time it totally did? His pick up lines were so tongue in cheek and like satirical version of a real Tinder conversation that I laughed.

I held my peace 'cause I knew you'd be here soon, dizzy! This. It should have been a bit much but in this context it worked, and made it a little more familiar and comfortable for me. I second the thought that perhaps he genuinely uses the over-the-top sad internet person humor as a way to cope. Wouldn't surprise me. Somehow the whole thing ended up far more positive than I expected despite the dark humor. It's a very good spon -- I am honestly toying with the idea of trying the thing, if only for lols.

I felt the same way about the dinof-brand jokes! It's not my style of humor or coping at all, so it grates on me easily, regardless of how much or little he uses it, but in this video it seemed very in-place. In this video, it wasn't like he was trying to be #relatable with his "I crave death" humor, but more like he was genuinely trying (in a funny way) to be as unappealing to people as possible to see how they would react. It's a worn-out style of humor for the entire internet (imho), but when you take away the "look how relatable i am lol" aspect, it puts a fresh spin on it, which is exactly what Dan did, and I think is why I liked it so much.

[missemma]

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(Seeing as the thread is moving so fast we may go to page 41 to give you time to vote).

[malday]

I like that he decided to make his matches both men and women-but while watching it occurred to me just how a casual fan might see this? Would one might see this as bi/pan confirmation, or would one see this as just him being like "lol haha gay is funny"?? Of course, I would like to hear from skeptics on IDB (and maybe those who lurk here) about this, I know the majority of IDB see it as just Dan reaffirming what he has already been saying, but I want to know if this changes any opinions people have had, if at all??

You just need to look at the youtube comments, some people are jumping through a lot of hoops trying to explain it.

[VengefulBlue]

but also hello yes i literally am the "over the top sad internet person" (binge eating, social isolation, horrible sleep patterns and all), and while dan clearly isn't as much like that now, he genuinely was for a bit, and maybe he still thinks of himself as that same sad kid?

maybe he's worried it'll all go away if he acknowledges how good he's doing. you know what i mean?

yes, this. can't claim to actually know his feelings but for me

even now i'm hesitant to be like "yeah but i used to be even worse!" bc what if it gets worse again and people are expecting me to be okay and then they think i was lying about getting better, or that i'm faking getting worse? and obv dan is not me, but i think that's something a lot of ppl deal with, so maybe it's the same for him

[alittledizzy]

Firstly, the danisnotonfire brand: "I crave death and I'm so relatable" is overused, and beaten to death in this video. I know he officially "re-branded", but has he really?

He changed his display name, I don't think he ever said his content was rebranding.

A year ago I felt like the 'crave death' humor was over the top and it annoyed the fuck out of me. But the more Dan has opened up about actual mental health issues, the less it bothers me. To me that takes it away from #relatable and more into an area where I can see Dan legitimately using it as a coping mechanism for feelings he actually has. And I'm not gonna give anyone shit for their coping mechanism, even if it equates to humor that doesn't appeal to me personally.

And it actually doesn't appeal to me usually - but for some reason this time it totally did? His pick up lines were so tongue in cheek and like satirical version of a real Tinder conversation that I laughed.

I'd agree if these weren't the same joke he was making 5 years ago while he has said that he's been happier than ever since then. Notice that I'm not saying that his life is better now so he can't suffer from mental health problems anymore or whatever, I'm just repeating what he himself has said and am interpreting his recent behavior on social media and stuff. There's a difference, it's obvious to almost everyone. So there's obviously a divide between how he feels in real life and what he says in these videos. I do think the jokes come from a very real place and that he genuinely related to them because of whatever mental health issues he has, but I don't believe his outlook is still the same as these somewhat date jokes suggest. We keep seeing a Dan who applies more and more nuance to his life as he matures, but he doesn't seem to want to carry that over to his online presence. That's his full right no matter his reasons, but it does suggest a persona more than anything to me.

I think it's possible to be happier than you've ever been, and yet still have mental health issues and darker thoughts/humor. I actually see the fact that Dan now openly relates that kind of humor and certain habits fans pick up on to his mental health as being him maturing.

[MaggieW]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

Ahhh sorry if I made you feel bad, I didn't want to, I guess I just feel happy because I struggle with my own sexuality and seeing Dan like this it's helping me being more comfortable with myself? I should stop projecting tho

nonono fuck sorry i put that so terribly im not tryinh to call anyone out im way too bad at confrontation and its amazing that you are more comfortable with yourself you totally should and deserve to be its the best way to happiness i just was trying (badly) to say that the pointing it out (not on here) just makes me feel a bit like '... well yep' yno

honestly ignore me its not a genuine opinion at all just a stray feeling that was expressed badly and isnt even strongly felt

Yes I totally understand, don't worry ; sometimes I feel a bit weird? when people make such a big deal of something (that should be) totally normal so I get you point.

[pilotlight]

I guess people were just happy that happened because they somehow doubted it would happen after all? I mean, I can only speak for myself but I was glad to see he included guys because I was a tiny bit afraid he might not and people would freak out that "omg he went back to 2012!" all over the place so I was... relieved (?) he made the video the way he did. I get your point though.

Actually yes, this, at least partly. I find some of the reactions to the things he does or doesn't do kind of exhausting (which is a me problem, obv, not anyone else's problem) so sometime I think I'm happy to see the content go in a certain direction just because it is less likely to trigger sky-is-falling reactions. Did that sentence make any sense at all?

The other part is just that he seems more comfortable with himself and I'm happy for him, not for the sake of including more than one gender.

[cherrybomb3]

i feel like 000dia000's boundless cynicism is whats keeping me and us all collectively grounded tbh
holy moly lots of comments along the lines of OMG IS THAT BOYYYYS I CAN SEE ANYTHING TO SAY HMMMM can't help but feel slightly uncomfortable is that bad



i mean its cliche to complain about being on top but like i feel its justified in this case

Ahhh sorry if I made you feel bad, I didn't want to, I guess I just feel happy because I struggle with my own sexuality and seeing Dan like this it's helping me being more comfortable with myself? I should stop projecting tho

nonono fuck sorry i put that so terribly im not tryinh to call anyone out im way too bad at confrontation and its amazing that you are more comfortable with yourself you totally should and deserve to be its the best way to happiness i just was trying (badly) to say that the pointing it out (not on here) just makes me feel a bit like '... well yep' yno

honestly ignore me its not a genuine opinion at all just a stray feeling that was expressed badly and isnt even strongly felt

Yes I totally understand, don't worry ; sometimes I feel a bit weird? when people make such a big deal of something (that should be) totally normal so I get you point.

if i could express things this succinctly i would have more friends tbh
thank, you have made me less likely to cringe close this tab and go to wikipedia or smth

[rizzo]

Forgive my attitude here, but like..... What's Dan gotta do to entertain you folks?

I'm aware that we all have our different preferences for videos, but sometimes it genuinely seems to me that, for some, Dan can do no right. This video had everything (stephon.gif): cute little side skits, stupid jokes and humor, nice new shots of their place, and because it's what we all talk about... pretty blatant confirmation Dan's not straight.

alittledizzy basically said my thoughts more concisely earlier too: Dan never said his content was getting a rebrand. The phandom hyped that one up themselves. He was just dropping the old "random" shit and that included his username. Like... I'm just trying to picture a world where he drops every defining characteristic of his channel. What would that video even be?

The reality is that if we got the "realist" Dan, we'd get what would appear to be an even more depressing version. Pizza, video games, and resting bitch face while binging Steven Universe. He's gotta script something into a video. So, this is Daniel Howell. He's witty. He makes a few predictable jokes. But at heart, he's just trying to entertain us with some basic level of honesty. Idk what more to ask for from today's video.

Sorry for the rant.

I mean, look... At least this video made sense.

[Ashling Rae]

I've been so inactive but I am just popping in to fan-girl about this video.

I mean, we all but knew that Dan was bi or pan based on his diss track and more subtle clues since. But I love that it's now canon. There is no more freaking guessing or denying and I'm so glad to be rid of that. It was done so well too. The video itself was funny with or without this little "surprise".

I'm dying at the thought of Phil taking some of those pictures of Dan, for Tinder.

[queerofcups]

Forgive my attitude here, but like..... What's Dan gotta do to entertain you folks?

lol me @ 90% of the critiques of DnP's material

[missemma]

It was really really funny. I liked how he included males as well, I hope that people can now shut up about him being straight. Like, how many times he has to show male atraction for people to believe him?

I'm actually really surprised this still happens seeing how vocal Dan is about his attraction towards males. I'm also glad I don't seem to follow anyone who thinks that, how frustrating.

Forgive my attitude here, but like..... What's Dan gotta do to entertain you folks?

I'm aware that we all have our different preferences for videos, but sometimes it genuinely seems to me that, for some, Dan can do no right. This video had everything (stephon.gif): cute little side skits, stupid jokes and humor, nice new shots of their place, and because it's what we all talk about... pretty blatant confirmation Dan's not straight.

alittledizzy basically said my thoughts more concisely earlier too: Dan never said his content was getting a rebrand. The phandom hyped that one up themselves. He was just dropping the old "random" shit and that included his username. Like... I'm just trying to picture a world where he drops every defining characteristic of his channel. What would that video even be?

The reality is that if we got the "realist" Dan, we'd get what would appear to be an even more depressing version. Pizza, video games, and resting bitch face while binging Steven Universe. He's gotta script something into a video. So, this is Daniel Howell. He's witty. He makes a few predictable jokes. But at heart, he's just trying to entertain us with some basic level of honesty. Idk what more to ask for from today's video.

Sorry for the rant.

I mean, look... At least this video made sense.

Please don't apologise for the rant because I 100% agree with you. I saw quite a few people on twitter complaining about the video, mostly complaining about the "rebrand" and also how he can't really be unhappy because he has a nice flat and money and is privileged. I don't need to say that wealth and a nice home doesn't always equal happiness, sure he has a more comfortable life with those things but that doesn't always mean happiness.

Tbh for me though, I don't mind him being self-depreciating, it's one of the reasons I quite enjoy watching him and probably why I enjoyed the video.

[thephandommenace]

I mean, look... At least this video made sense.

Ikr, I'm so proud of him
I hope when he does his next high calibre™ video he'll have seen what works and what doesn't and can upload both something he's proud of and something his audience will love (no pressure)