Dan & Phil Part 4: The Cheekiest Link

[SquishPhan]

That's such an interesting thought, that Phil had either pre-edited it or had a say in how she did. Is that common practice around YT? I now feel like I need to rewatch old Tipsy Talks and focus on how she edits, but yeah - it does flow more, generally, isn't as filled with jumpcuts, she likes dramatic silences. Huh.
Fascinating.
(And yeah, the one after "I will have Dan" was so obvious, and the face Phil pulls - like somewhere between romantic and uber-constipated-why-did-you-say-that, it's a gem.)

I went to watch more tipsy talk, some goes deep, some very small talk ish, but none of them feel like this one, the contents are chopped into small pieces while distract by the interviewee's persona. Not even in the Amy Schumer one. Phil has a firm control i will give him that. It feels more AP than hazel.

That does make me want to see the real life power dynamic between deppy. From what i can see, most of times Dan is controlling and Phil is following, but when Phil wants to be in control, Dan is just willingly submit to him. Quite a daddy&mommy dynamic imo.

I think Phil's attitude toward making sure things get done precisely the way he wants (I don't just mean the finish product in terms of content, but the entire process from start to finish) is probably a lot of why the two of them have found the kind of success that they have. Dan might have higher standards for his videos (according to him) but he second guesses himself so much that he just doesn't end up getting anything done. Maybe some people don't think Phil's videos are good, but Phil has the motivation to see something through and willingness to put in the work he needs to do (including the boring behind the scenes stuff, like calling all the venues) that it's hard to imagine Dan sitting still long enough for. The magic of them is what they both bring to the table and their success is a factor of that. It's a bit tragic to me that I think most of what Phil contributes doesn't actually get seen therefore he doesn't get as much attention/credit.

I think that Dan wouldn't always get a lot done without Phil. He has said that at times he doesn't want to put his video up or tweet something, because he doesn't think it's good enough, but that Phil convinced him to do it anyway. Phil clearly has a lot of influence on Dan (and I reckon that goes both ways).
And I had assumed for a while now that Phil handles most things going on behind the scenes, and now with the tour that kind of got confirmed for me. It is just a shame that most people do not realize that.
Also agree on the fact that they make a great team, that certainly helped them stay together for so long. They just work.

[danphil333]

i think many people liked phils video too. He always makes spon videos that dont feel forced and the anime video was a good one. And no, dans video was not of higher quality than usual dinof formula video thats the formula his videos are supposed to be. The sketches were not bad but he can do better. people were enthusiastic just because it was a... sketch and the cute shirtless boys were a big factor too.

I have to say that it was dans best video in a long time but it didnt deserve the reaction and praise it got

my point is that it was very much a dinof video anyway and was well done, with the spon aspects fitting in naturally. many people did like phils video, but you claimed it was trashed so i'm explaining why some people said they werent happy with it. even then, he was hardly criticised harshly, it just wasnt always considered an incredible video and it being an ad didnt really help
+ people already knew dans video would be a spon, so the eyerolls were brought out before the video was even up

and my point is that i wish things were more balanced.

and yes people knowing it was a spon video coming helped. It aslo helped that dan made everything he could to distract people from the spon by making a side channel video and talking about boys and choosing good thumbnails for the main video.He knows what he is doing.

[tymyky]

thats me almost everyday especially back on GG(i cant keep up most of time now). you cant imagine how many times i was so close to make a post like this (ok maybe i did)but i am the danhater so people would go crazy with my opinion.
and yes this forum and gg are definitely dancentric and anyone that cant see it is blind.
its not even the fact that dan gives opinions or things to analyze(he does more than phil for sure) but what people want to analyze. Anything phil says goes over the heads of dan fans because they dont care. Phil fans(they exist) will contribute to the dan discussion. Its just this: dan fans are more loud and expressive/obsessive like dan himself.

D&P can make the same video/comment/tweet but people will spent 5pages analyzing only dan. The quality critics will only judge phil for challenges/tags/reaction videos because dan creates breathtaking content. . Both dan and phil made comments about cute boys(its a tumblr post i cant find now but they said basically the same thing in their own ways) in their anime video but only dans was important and was treated like a true coming out. They were both spon videos but only phils had the harsh critics lash out on him for the #ad, dan was shirtless and fondled a pillow so we ignore it. Phils last video had a clickbait title but dans anime video thumbnail was the best thing happened to the phandom the last 2 years.

Yes, yes, yes, I love you. I agree with everything you said. And may I just say that for some people Phil's anime video wasn't bad? Dan makes sketches on his channel, so he made a sketch. Phil makes videos about his life, some strange experiences or random ideas. So he made it as it would fit his channel. I enjoyed both of the videos and I woudn't say something is better or more original idea just because it is a sketch.

[akui]

D&P can make the same video/comment/tweet but people will spent 5pages analyzing only dan. The quality critics will only judge phil for challenges/tags/reaction videos because dan creates breathtaking content. . Both dan and phil made comments about cute boys(its a tumblr post i cant find now but they said basically the same thing in their own ways) in their anime video but only dans was important and was treated like a true coming out. They were both spon videos but only phils had the harsh critics lash out on him for the #ad, dan was shirtless and fondled a pillow so we ignore it. Phils last video had a clickbait title but dans anime video thumbnail was the best thing happened to the phandom the last 2 years.[/spoiler]

Don't want to step between you and jeaj (which i ship), but i have to say Phil's crunchyroll ad mostly got a mixed review, some liked it think it's creative, some didn't cuz the ad. And people did talked about Phil's shirtless boys mention, but due to lack of evidence (not enough attraction mention) in general no conclusion was drawed. And Dan apart from people who treat it like a coming out, there are still a lot of people who are more skeptical about it, some even consider it as queer bait/fanservice.

Dan's video get praised more mainly because it's a proper sketch, yes. But if Phil started doing music videos or short story again you will see me crying my ass off all the way from Sydney to London to send him flowers and oscar status made out of edible gold and chocolate.

[trashqueen]

i'm not gonna go into why we talk more about dab bc we've been over this a hundred times, if i wasn't so lazy i would quote my last rant about it on gigi but

re: anime vids, i think they were both good spons that fit their brands, the difference was that dan's content has been awful recently so getting one decent video got us all over excited, meanwhile phil's content is more consistent quality/style wise

and about the free!/male attraction mentions, phil's was just one, more subtle, cheeky, blink and you'll miss it reference, dan's was very on your face and bold and there was no way you didn't get the message (both things fit their personalities now that i think about it) that being said i had the time of my life when phil dropped that hint, but as it didn't cause an uproar of bi erasure on the phandom i didn't talk that much about it

so, yeah the phandom is dan centric but for very clear reasons, nothing's mysterious about it

Re: Alchohol

So I fit into the category of the underage American teen who is wary of alcohol, which may seem odd to some of you guys, but I'll try to explain as best as I can.

For me when I was growing up, my family never drank in front of me. I went about 8 years without knowing what alcohol was. I guess for me, the one time I saw alcohol was when I was at my babysitter's house, and her father was an alcoholic. He was the poster child for the alcoholic father figure that you see in movies. I just remember being extremely terrified of him, and kind of attributing his scary and yell-y complex to the beer bottles strewn around the yard.

To answer the question; alcohol (atleast where I live) isn't really seen as a good thing. When you think of people that drink alcohol you either think of the underage highschool kids that smoke pot or the abusive parents, not just someone who has a wine to relax them after work. I'm sure if I lived in a culture where everyone had a glass before bed or at the dinner table, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It really depends on the experiences you have with it early on that decide whether or not you're wary of it.

thanks for answering! now i understand where all of you are coming from, i didn't think there was a place on this earth were alcohol was overall seen as a bad thing, that's so weird for me lol

also lmao 'underage highschool kids that smoke pot' that was me, this is the first time in my life i have felt like a bad influence, that's completely normal 80% of teens behavior where i live

[alittledizzy]

D&P can make the same video/comment/tweet but people will spent 5pages analyzing only dan. The quality critics will only judge phil for challenges/tags/reaction videos because dan creates breathtaking content. . Both dan and phil made comments about cute boys(its a tumblr post i cant find now but they said basically the same thing in their own ways) in their anime video but only dans was important and was treated like a true coming out. They were both spon videos but only phils had the harsh critics lash out on him for the #ad, dan was shirtless and fondled a pillow so we ignore it. Phils last video had a clickbait title but dans anime video thumbnail was the best thing happened to the phandom the last 2 years.[/spoiler]

Don't want to step between you and jeaj (which i ship), but i have to say Phil's crunchyroll ad mostly got a mixed review, some liked it think it's creative, some didn't cuz the ad. And people did talked about Phil's shirtless boys mention, but due to lack of evidence (not enough attraction mention) in general no conclusion was drawed. And Dan apart from people who treat it like a coming out, there are still a lot of people who are more skeptical about it, some even consider it as phan bait.

Dan's video get praised more mainly because it's a proper sketch, yes. But if Phil started doing music videos or short story now you will see me crying my ass off all the way from Sydney to London to send him flowers and oscar status made out of edible gold chocolate.

That's actually part of the problem; nothing with Phil is ever considered explicit or frequent enough. He talked about how beautiful Zayn's face was and how if he were watching a Zayn liveshow he'd propose, but that got a fraction of the attention that Dan saying he'd marry Leo did. It's part of the Dan-centric skew; not just that Phil doesn't give as much, but that what Phil does give gets overlooked or dismissed - sometimes for no real reason at all.

[jaej]

and my point is that i wish things were more balanced.

and yes people knowing it was a spon video coming helped. It aslo helped that dan made everything he could to distract people from the spon by making a side channel video and talking about boys and choosing good thumbnails for the main video.He knows what he is doing.

isn't that a good thing..? isnt that what youtubers should be doing? he put effort into making every part of the video as appealing as possible. was that a negative comment or am i missing something?


phil's attraction things tend to be more distanced and general. obviously saying 'there are hot guys' is different from personally showing an attraction to one of said guys plus his attitude to sexuality is different. people want to prove dans sexuality more, partly because of the 'dan is a constant liar' trope. phil generally has his opinions and privacy respected more, he said he wasnt into labels and has since ignored any mention of sexuality and barely anything of attraction, so people accept that and dont pry into it more

[phamnotof]

No ls today! He also confirmed the possibility of joint ones once they're on tour.

[Kathrynxjane]

No ls today! He also confirmed the possibility of joint ones once they're on tour.

Why no liveshow tonight? What is he doing??

[lilMango]

thats me almost everyday especially back on GG(i cant keep up most of time now). you cant imagine how many times i was so close to make a post like this (ok maybe i did)but i am the danhater so people would go crazy with my opinion.
and yes this forum and gg are definitely dancentric and anyone that cant see it is blind.
its not even the fact that dan gives opinions or things to analyze(he does more than phil for sure) but what people want to analyze. Anything phil says goes over the heads of dan fans because they dont care. Phil fans(they exist) will contribute to the dan discussion. Its just this: dan fans are more loud and expressive/obsessive like dan himself.

D&P can make the same video/comment/tweet but people will spent 5pages analyzing only dan. The quality critics will only judge phil for challenges/tags/reaction videos because dan creates breathtaking content. . Both dan and phil made comments about cute boys(its a tumblr post i cant find now but they said basically the same thing in their own ways) in their anime video but only dans was important and was treated like a true coming out. They were both spon videos but only phils had the harsh critics lash out on him for the #ad, dan was shirtless and fondled a pillow so we ignore it. Phils last video had a clickbait title but dans anime video thumbnail was the best thing happened to the phandom the last 2 years.

I disagree, but your point about them both saying things about cute boys is a good one. I think the reason why we analyze Dan's cute boy comments is because they surprise us. Phil, like I've said before, controls himself and his videos in such a way so that when he makes a comment about a cute boy (which he doesn't do that often) we tend to overlook it. Not only that, but when has Phil done something as intensely suggestive as stroking a pillow with a cute boy on it? If he did something like that, I think I would talk about it a lot, and other people here probably would too.
Idk. With the whole #spon thing, I liked both videos, but Dan's was more interesting to talk about because of what I said above.

[phamnotof]

No ls today! He also confirmed the possibility of joint ones once they're on tour.

Why no liveshow tonight? What is he doing??

Assuming he's either packing or flying out already, but who knows. And yeah, was looking forward to it & cancled movie-going plans as I am but what can you do.

[akui]

That's actually part of the problem; nothing with Phil is ever considered explicit or frequent enough. He talked about how beautiful Zayn's face was and how if he were watching a Zayn liveshow he'd propose, but that got a fraction of the attention that Dan saying he'd marry Leo did. It's part of the Dan-centric skew; not just that Phil doesn't give as much, but that what Phil does give gets overlooked or dismissed - sometimes for no real reason at all.

Hmmmm i disagree actually, by that logic one can argue that the entire Dan and Phil branding is Dancentric. People overlook some of Phil's comments is precisely because they are not obvious or explict enough. Shouting is louder than whispering. Dan's recent comment are very explicit so his attraction towards good looking mens are very clear. But Phil is more subtle, so it's hard to argue that whether it's attraction or pure admiration. After all no one wants to be accused of gender stereotyping in a "girls can admire each other's appearances but when guys do that it's gayyyy" way.

[daphenaxa]

No ls today! He also confirmed the possibility of joint ones once they're on tour.

the fucker