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This is our fourth IDB Phandom Watch Fest!
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Sunday, November 4th
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Second group - start the video at 7:00 PM UTC
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- First video: How to make Christmas cookies!
- Second video: Easter Baking - BUNNY BISCUITS!

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Hey everyone, hope there are some people joining us! We're doing the second round at 7 PM UTC, if you don't make it for this one

- First video: How to make Christmas cookies!
- Second video: Easter Baking - BUNNY BISCUITS!

Questions to consider:

1. Did either video seem staged to you? How would you rate their reactions?
2. Who did a better job in the kitchen?
3. Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?
4. How would you rate their dynamic in both the videos? Did they seem comfortable on camera?

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They both seem staged just by virtue of in both videos Dan and Phil clearly discussed exactly what the plan was beforehand, but I think for a baking video that's not a bad thing. There's not a lot of room for wild, varied reactions when the actual goal is to follow a process to a predicted end. But I'd say the 2011 one is a lot more restrained in terms of their behavior. There are a LOT more jumpcuts, I'm guessing a lot more moments where they edited out natural reaction (plus maybe a bit of 2011 editing just being more jumpy and random as a stylistic choice.)

2018 Dan and Phil definitely did better. Oh my god those Christmas cookies in the first one were hideous and don't look like they've tasted good, either.

I think they order in more than they cook but that they do cook sometimes. I don't see baking as a thing they do casually and not for a camera. I wonder if they're worried that if they privately got better at it the videos wouldn't be funny?

I think 2018 Dan and Phil seem more comfortable. I'm just not sure if that's specifically on camera or if 2018 Dan and Phil are just naturally more comfortable in themselves and their interactions. Like I said above, I just felt a lot of restraint in the early video. I feel like they felt like they were talking more to strangers than a fanbase they feel like they know.

And some timestamps for the og baking one:

:15 - Starting out with a spon? Or a contest?
:39 - Aw, the slide in intro was there from the start!
:50 - Delia Smith, before it was ironic.
1:11 - How Dan says "caster" reminds me of him taunting Phil with 'Murder on the Dancefloor.'
1:48 - Man, those undies are on display.
2:14 - I wonder what time at night it was when they filmed this that they couldn't just go to the store and get another mixer.
2:25 - Ahah Dan's song.
2:47 - "Don't stab me in the hand." Then jumpcut.
3:05 - Phil pouting - well that's fucking adorable.
3:20 - Another jumpcut after Dan fusses at Phil for his buttery handed egg handling.
4:04 - Dan popping Phil on the ass with the rolling pin. Questionable hygiene, undeniable cuteness.
4:33 - I don't think baking videos are meant to have jumpscares.
4:57 - Luuuuubricate.
5:14 - Wow. Wow. Those are some ugly cookies.
5:48 - Crotch shot.
5:51 - Phil says the cookies look good. Phil is wrong.
6:36 - Dan just.... shoving those hands down his pants. You do you, Dan.
7:16 - And he almost does it again.

I’D FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PLACENTA COOKIE

This was my first time watching the Christmas cookie video and it was definitely, uh, something

Both videos seemed staged but I think that's to be expected with any of the baking videos. They seemed more subdued in the first video, not as hyper and OOT as they get in the later baking videos.

It seems like they are equally terrible in the kitchen and you couldn't pay me to eat those Christmas cookies. At least Phil washed his hands in the Easter vid.

I think they might cook more than bake but I don't think they cook that often. They seem to like their takeout lol

2018 Dan and Phil seem more comfortable on camera but they were also very persona heavy if that makes sense? I know they want to be funny and interesting for the video but sometimes it's a lot. I'm interested to see if they do Christmas baking this year (please!) and if it will be like the Easter video or more natural like the mukbang video?

Random thoughts-
So much singing!
They really are strange guys and I love it
The editing in the Easter video is hilarious!
For a guy with many kinks, Dan sure likes to kinkshame

We keep making good choices when it comes to choosing two videos to watch These were both hilarious, and put me in a better mood.

I was surprised to find that... the difference between them wasn't as striking as when we watched 2012-2018 and 2014-2018? Their banter seems quite natural in the first one, they are cute, giggly and smiley. They do seem a bit restrained though, and are clearly aware of the camera, but they still control themselves less than they did in 2012-2013.

First video I really enjoyed this to be honest! I haven't seen it for at least a few months, and I kind of forgot how sweet they still were back in the days. I do think this was more "staged" than the bunny one, but they were still definitely more smiley than in some of the other older videos we watched. Also, the Dan jokes weren't many, much better than Manchester ditl, but the placenta/Delia Smith branding did not age well and it just makes me cringe lol.

Second video This video was such a delight. I kind of overlook it when watching their baking vids sometimes, and I really shouldn't. The editing was hilarious, they were both flirty, relaxed, and seemingly in a good mood. It made me laugh out loud a few times.

A few things that stood out to me:
- they're still pretty bad at baking but they are trying their best
- they made orgasm noises back in 2011 and they still do it to this day, fueling our phanfic prompts.
- I loved watching the first video, cringing at Delia Smith, and then seeing Dan cringe about it a few minutes later in the second video.
- The glo up is real and I just feel emotional when watching these two 2011 babies and then these two 2018 men, still smitten after all these years. Also, the hair was better in 2011 than it was in 2013-2014, fite me.

I’m sorry I can’t be bothered with keeping track of the time, it was 8am here. But you can see dizzy’s and Ablissa’s for reference

-Look at that shiny black hair and that shiny rave tree. And mess under the tv.
-I always forget that this started out as a challenge thing. Bless Chronicle, whatever they were/are.
-The first sliding in. The breakfast bar with Malibu and various booze. Dan’s shirt from the first pinof. Hello Phil’s musical underwear.
-Baking virginity, it’s always been sexual. Looking at their heights, posture changes, but when Dan is upright he’s definitely taller. It was very noticeable in the pumpkin carving vid as well. Like were they wearing shoes? Definitely not in this one. I know Dan often makes himself smaller in gaming videos, but I wonder if Phil likes having a slightly taller boyfriend. Or do they argue about it like my husband and I (he is so in denial)?
-Yay prank off vid reference.
-‘Caaaster’ ok posh boy
-Dinosaur egg or chicken fetus? In this case Phil is more correct.
-I always forget that Dan is hiding that egg beater in his sleeve and just think he’s striking a pose.
-Phil, how do you already have flour on your face? I blame Dan. Also messy table.
-I need a full length album from them.
-Phil pouting on the floor gets me every time. ‘We haz breadcrumbs’. (Seriously messy floor, when did Dan stop being messy?)
-Hush Phil, ‘Beakfast Bar Stool’ has to be on the album. Yay they compromised.
-Rolling pin to the bum. I always mean to look up Swagatha. Is it from True Blood? Will I do it this time.
-Dan you are holding that phallic object very upright.
-Dan ready to receive the ball in his hands. There’s something vulnerable there.
-Really unnecessary sound effects. I prefer the sexual ones.
-That giant knife is really the wrong tool.
-We all know what the blob is going to be.
-Unnecessary crotch shot, this is only the beginning
-Are fail whales a thing?
-Llamas need necks Dan
-Love the music it makes everything soft and magical
-Hello Disarono annnd Dan’s hands are down his pants
-Surprise placenta cookie feeding
-So proud of those babies. Also love that abominable snow man tee from the radio show
-Annnd Dan’s hands are now down the *back* of his pants, like in Week in the Life only more
-I find it hilarious how quickly and bluntly Phil just dismisses Dan. Like yeah this is my channel and my challenge, go away. But of course it’s just for humor. And Dan still gets the sensual outro.
I am so much more comfortable with this vid than British Pancakes and am so looking forward to this year’s holiday baking (please follow through boys)

Did either video seem staged to you? How would you rate their reactions?

I guess on some level both seem staged to an extent. They are entertainers so they obviously hype up things in order to be entertaining. I mean the 2011 one probably had the worst reaction unless they truly thought those cookies looked good.

Who did a better job in the kitchen?

Phil in the 2011 one, and I felt like they did an equally good job in the 2018 one. I'm only giving it to Phil in the first one because of Dan's awful placenta cookie. How did he ever turn that into part of his brand?

Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?

No, not really. Anytime they mention getting food or we see what food they are eating, it's always takeaway. I think part of the reason they eat out more than they used to is partially because they have more money and partially because of dan's dietary needs. If he's vegan about 6 days a week, it's probably easier just to order something that says it's vegan than checking every ingredient and finding new recipes to make. Although who remembers older dan live shows where you could hear Phil cooking in the background? Ah memories.

How would you rate their dynamic in both the videos? Did they seem comfortable on camera?

I think they seemed pretty comfortable around each other in both videos. Obviously the 2018 was the one with the level of comfort that we're used to seeing around each other normally but I didn't find the 2011 one off-putting or anything. I mean it makes since to an extent. The 2011 one is essentially them promoting their radio show. Like they have to seem comfortable with each other because who would tune in to watch two hours of people who don't seem to have good chemistry? I guess you could view the 2018 one as a way to help promo their tour but it's not like they have to sell their personalities anymore, since at this point we know what dnp have to offer.

i missed the first showing and im way too sick to write much but i mostly want to say that i love the watch parties, they're amazing and both videos are fun, very fun, prefered the last one just because i love the 2018 dynamic
sorry i'm not writing more!

HI, hello, happy sunday, let's talk!

Christmas Cookies: Bunny Biscuits: 1. Did either video seem staged to you? How would you rate their reactions?
I mean the kitchen seems staged. It's so echo-y in that room, everything looks unused, the fridge is empty. Compare that to the Manchester kitchen that was filled with bottles and things (like someone was actually living there). The reactions were fine, they've definitely settled into a format of how to do these videos and they've gotten a bit repetitive. They kind of make the same jokes in every baking video now (but I'm very much looking forward to cozy christmas baking in the post mukbang universe).

2. Who did a better job in the kitchen?
I think the roles have switched a little since 2011, back then Phil was trying to lead and follow the recipe but now Phil is the goofy one and Dan is trying to keep it together. But I think that's just his control freak side shining through (I'm the same, I can't have anyone in the kitchen when I'm cooking or baking without bossing them around and making them do it my way).

3. Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?
I do think they cook, maybe not every day but pretty often. Especially earlier this year when they were trying to get healthy (qinoa!) they probably cooked more at home. But I can imagine that they think that baking is too much of a process to go through for a sugar rush.

4. How would you rate their dynamic in both the videos? Did they seem comfortable on camera?
Well Dan is louder now. He's so loud. And they both seem a bit more comfortable around each other, for example they touch each other a little more now. But honestly it's still just them goofing around in the kitchen.

First of all, I LOVE the baking videos so much, I need more of those.

Christmas cookies
Alright, I can't believe that's the only Christmas-related baking video we've gotten so far. Why? I need answers and I'm hyped as hell for this year's Christmas baking.
The first thing worth noting is that this video was supposed to be about Phil - and Phil alone - doing something he was capable of. But then boom, Dan was in the kitchen with Phil for no reason and they didn't even explain why - while from 2012 to 2015 they did their best to introduce the other and say things like 'this is my assistant' etc. (Unrelated but they didn't do any baking in 2013, right? Was there a reason for it?) Anyway, I'm glad they're now at the same place they were at the beginnin', without overexplaining the presence of the other in videos. It's just something we expect.

Other things:

- Excuse me Mr. Amazing, where are the decorations in the kitchen?? That's so sad.
- Dan showing Phil'shis underwear all the time. Like, buddy. No one wants to see it, stop that.
- The video itself is quite funny and Dan is not as annoying as he usually is in the videos of that era
- Delia Smith, llamas, placenta. This is the bad place. (cit.)
- Those cookies are hideous. The shapes, the colors. Oh my god.
- How they refer to themselves as Phil and Dan. It doesn't sound right, I'm sorry. But I cried over them doing a radio show for two hours, I wish we had something like that now.

Bunny Biscuits
I cannot believe this video was filmed this year, it seems like it was so long ago, DAMN.
- Lol at Phil saying 'hello danandphilgames'. It makes me soft. :')
- I love the decorations and the bunny ears. They look adorable.
- They throw things at each other, they fight, they make sexual innuendos and noises and I'm not surprised in the slightest
- They forget to do things - again, not surprised in the slightest. But also, I can't deal with the fact they BOTH forget the same thing, it's not like one forgets and the other reminds him, nooo. They BOTH FORGET THE SAME STUFF, it's like when they forgot to do the end screen in one of their gaming videos. They really do share one brain.
- I still don't understand why at 11.55 they zoomed on Phil's ass and at this point I'm too afraid to ask
- Ok, I lose my chill everytime Phil makes that horrible bunny with that mouth. And then they show all their biscuits and the spooky music comes on and it's the funniest thing in the world to me and that's sad but I can't help it, okay? Phil is a comedian.



1. Did either video seem staged to you? How would you rate their reactions?

They had to follow a plan for the baking, so in that yes, they were definitely staged and dnp knew what to expect.

2. Who did a better job in the kitchen?
LMAO that's a question. But probably i'm not the best person to judge since i'm worse than both of them.

3. Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?
I feel like they don't cook everyday but still do sometimes.

4. How would you rate their dynamic in both the videos? Did they seem comfortable on camera?[/quote]
Their dynamic was good in both the videos (I agree with @Ablissa that the difference in their dynamic wasn't as obvious as other years) but in the Easter video you could just feel how much more relaxed (although i think they were also a bit tired which is understandable since they were on full tour - mode) they were in their bants and physical contact. Also, how different PHIL was in those videos. I will never shut up about the progress he has made this year, it's like he's another person altogether and I'm so glad. The Christmas video was good but god, Phil was so much AmazingPhil back then.

I didn’t pause to take notes for the bunny biscuits vid, but it’s just really frickin cute. Phil is so pretty and flirty and Dan seems in a pretty good mood (yes, he’s pretty too). It just feels so much lighter than the conjoined crispy cakes vid, which is good because Easter. Phil seems taller than Dan for like the first half of the video, but I guess they just traded off with the slouching. There are a couple moments when Phil’s shoulders are just so broad it’s like damn. Phil’s Jesus going behind the egg thing still brings much shame. I love the boxing bunnies and Phil submitting during the stick fight. So um their giant house plant is covering most of their empty giant fridge, cool. Phil is so much more confident in this and is often the one making things sexual here (as soon as he said he was finding kneading the butter sexual himself I got an ad for birth control, thanks YouTube, I needed that) whereas in the first one it was all Dan which Phil just says yeah in agreement once. So proud of you Philly. And the soft music will always get me

alittledizzy wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:08 pm I feel like they felt like they were talking more to strangers than a fanbase they feel like they know.

This! I think this explains a lot about their dynamic now, not only are they more comfortable with each other but also with their audience. They know who we are, what references work, what jokes work. They were still trying to figure that out back in 2011, and the audience was probably a bit different as well. But you can see what stuck, they still sing awfully, they still make sexual noises and they still can't decorate for shit.

My favorite part of these watch fests is reading your posts, that's even better than watching the videos.
I'll split up my responses into two parts to not make this post super long (spoiler: it's still really long)

alittledizzy wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:08 pm 2018 Dan and Phil definitely did better. Oh my god those Christmas cookies in the first one were hideous and don't look like they've tasted good, either.

I think they order in more than they cook but that they do cook sometimes. I don't see baking as a thing they do casually and not for a camera. I wonder if they're worried that if they privately got better at it the videos wouldn't be funny?

RIGHT? I'm surprised they always use these really basic recipes and end up with really basic (hideous looking sometimes) cookies. When I bake, I feel like I end up with much yummier looking cookies and I'm pretty bad at the ~aesthetic~ part of baking.
Very interesting observation - I wonder how many things they actively try to stay mediocre at to be funny in future videos. Some games, definitely? (Sims) But then again, I feel like they could be pretty good at baking and still be funny, because they're clumsy and weird and cute.

somethingsketchy wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:11 pm I’D FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PLACENTA COOKIE

I sometimes forget Dan had a whole placenta branding and... Ignorance is bliss. Forgetting that is bliss. I can't wait until I forget again.

CapriciousCrab wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:49 pm It seems like they are equally terrible in the kitchen and you couldn't pay me to eat those Christmas cookies. At least Phil washed his hands in the Easter vid.

I love how low our standards are lmao, I also felt glad that Phil at least washed his hands. The Christmas cookies look horrid, the Easter ones were... okay-ish until they started decorating them. Wouldn't eat them, but would definitely laugh at the hell-ish rabbit cookies.

I love all the posts here, and I'm so happy to see some people remark on the change in Phil, so here is another question to discuss if you feel like it:
Who do you think changed the most - Dan or Phil? Why?

I will come back with another round of responses soon

Ablissa wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:01 pm I love all the posts here, and I'm so happy to see some people remark on the change in Phil, so here is another question to discuss if you feel like it:
Who do you think changed the most - Dan or Phil? Why?

They both changed a lot but I think that with Dan it was more of a gradual change, while with Phil it was more drastic. Up until last year the differences between older Phil and younger Phil weren't so visible, but this year he got rid of the fringe AND his old branding all at once and he's just being unapologetically Phil Lester. He is definitely someone who ponders a lot but once he takes a decision he goes through with it without turning back.

Ablissa wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:01 pm
I love all the posts here, and I'm so happy to see some people remark on the change in Phil, so here is another question to discuss if you feel like it:
Who do you think changed the most - Dan or Phil? Why?

If we're talking about their channel personalities, I would say Phil has changed the most. It's been a slow, gradual shift but when I watch his videos from last year and compare them to this year the difference is pretty striking. He's relaxed so much, there's less wide-eyed staring at the camera and a more playful demeanor. He just seems more natural on camera now, a little less robotic. It's lovely to see

In other ways, I would say Dan has changed the most. He seems to be becoming more comfortable with who he is as a person, with his interests and emotions and how he wants to express them. Phil's always seemed more at ease with who he is and it's nice to see Dan start to reach that same comfort level.

Aw, baby Dan and Phil! Or Phil and Dan, I suppose. As far as older videos go, this one is really inoffensive as well as being cute.

Nice to know that Dan with his hands down his jeans is normal Dan behavior, which I’m guessing he trained himself out of while filming once he got more used to making videos but he still does when he doesn’t know he’s being filmed, ala WITL. I think a lot of the charm of the earlier video is they don’t have much of a formula, at least for a baking video, yet.

I do love that it’s what Phil is capable of and then Dan is just there, especially because they mention their radio special and I recall Phil saying Radio 1 offered him some opportunity that he wasn’t comfortable enough doing alone, so he asked if Dan could present with him. I think that might have been more of a 2010 thing? But it’s sweet that they’re such a solid team, even when they hadn’t known each other that long.

One of the shifts that stands out to me is that in 2018 they’re much more meta. They talk about how a joke will come across, how the scene would have been great if the mixer came on, stuff like that. It’s like they acknowledge what they do is ‘staged’ and simultaneously make it feel less staged by doing so.

If I had to choose, I’d say the 2018 video feels more staged because they know what they’re doing, they have more of a formula and their kitchen is literally a set. 2011 they’re both keeping their bants mostly AmazingPhil channel friendly, but it feels less staged in the sense they didn’t even bother to clean off their countertops of personal items.

I always find the bit of the 2018 video around 14:18 funny/telling
D: Phil! What are you doing to the flower?
P: What? I’m making an edge!
D: Ugh. This guy.
P: Did you have a vision?
D: ... I just thought they were perfectly valid as they were.

Like, Dan doesn’t even know why he’s ‘annoyed’ with Phil, the ‘Phil no!/this guy’ reaction is just an ingrained humorous reaction. When Phil asks what he did ‘wrong’ the answer is literally nothing.

As far as their baking—and now pumpkin carving—I love how happy they always are with the finished product even when it’s objectively awful looking. I don’t think they bake much, as it took them ages to even own an electric mixer, but they certainly cook. They can’t order takeout everyday and they’ve both talked about enjoying cooking even if they’re not masterful at it. Dan likes trying new recipes. I think they’re probably adequate enough at regular cooking that it doesn’t seem video worthy.

I know I’m like half way between scheduled watches, but I really enjoyed the rewatch and reading everyone’s thoughts.

Some more quotes from me now, and then we will start the next round soon! I will respond to everything later for sure, so don't be surprised

autumnhearth wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:53 pm -I find it hilarious how quickly and bluntly Phil just dismisses Dan. Like yeah this is my channel and my challenge, go away. But of course it’s just for humor. And Dan still gets the sensual outro.
I am so much more comfortable with this vid than British Pancakes and am so looking forward to this year’s holiday baking (please follow through boys)

You drew my attention to the fact that AP is really a collab channel these days. That, or they just embraced their joint branding way more. Phil rarely bothers to introduce Dan anymore, same goes for Dan on his channel, and they do the outros together, which wasn't always the case. I'm happy, I like this. AND YES. THERE BETTER BE CHRISTMAS BAKING. IF NOT, THEY WILL SINGLE-HANDEDLY RUIN CHRISTMAS

hello9217 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:54 pm Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?
No, not really. Anytime they mention getting food or we see what food they are eating, it's always takeaway. I think part of the reason they eat out more than they used to is partially because they have more money and partially because of dan's dietary needs. If he's vegan about 6 days a week, it's probably easier just to order something that says it's vegan than checking every ingredient and finding new recipes to make. Although who remembers older dan live shows where you could hear Phil cooking in the background? Ah memories.

I do remember those live shows and I miss them. I remember them discussing what to make. We also had one cooking live show which I wish would come back. But yeah, with the amount of money they have, I guess getting takeout every day is a non-issue.
This just makes me wonder how often Phil eats vegan too, and if they cook, how they work around it. I wish they'd talk about that.

Ataraxia25 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:06 pm i missed the first showing and im way too sick to write much but i mostly want to say that i love the watch parties, they're amazing and both videos are fun, very fun, prefered the last one just because i love the 2018 dynamic
sorry i'm not writing more!

Awww I sincerely hope you feel better soon And I totally agree, the 2018 dynamic is a blessing and I'm seriously hyped for what is coming next for us.

Round two STARTING NOW! (or technically in 3 minutes but I want to let you see the questions)

- First video: How to make Christmas cookies!
- Second video: Easter Baking - BUNNY BISCUITS!

Questions to consider for round two:

1. Based on these two videos, who has changed the most?
2. Is there anything from the 2011 video that you wish they would do in 2018?
3. Did either video make you laugh & when?
4. What do you think stayed the same throughout the years? They changed a lot, anything struck you as unchanged?

I haven't watched the Christmas cookies video in so long, or the last Easter baking one for that matter, so it was really fun to watch them again. I feel like I always forget how much I enjoy the baking videos until I go back and rewatch them.

I feel like these two videos really draw attention to how different the nature of their changes have been. Dan's humour obviously changed a lot between the two (thank goodness. no one needs placenta cookies. ever.) Whereas I feel like a lot of the changes in Phil are more about how he approaches the making of the video. The first one really seems like he's trying to make an actual baking tutorial, and while there is some humour, it seems more like a production. I think a lot of that probably has to do with them having more practice hiding the produced elements of their videos, given the years of practice, but I do think that there was still a change in how they, especially Phil, approach these videos. It's not specific to baking, but it's always amazing to see how much less Phil seems like he's trying to put on a show now vs back then.

Also slightly related and I know it's been mentioned before, but Phil dismissing Dan when the baking was done was so odd to hear. Idk more than half of the 2018 AP vids include Dan. It's practically full of collabs now. That one moment, even without knowing what other videos they made around that time, really makes it obvious how much that's changed. (Phil calling them "Phil and Dan" had a similar effect. Their togetherness was so much less established, it's almost surreal to think about, as someone who started watching during gamingmas 2016).

Honestly, I can't really think of anything specific I'd like to see. I think a lot of what I found charming about the 2011 video is just the natural clumsiness with doing something new and the way that 2011 deppy interacted with each other on camera. But none of that is really a production element they could just bring to 2018, and I'm not sure I'd even prefer any of it to what we have in 2018. The old video is charming because they're young and it's new, but growing up and learning definitely, in my opinion, improved the baking videos.

I can't say either made me laugh, though I think that has more to do with my mood today than the videos lol. Dan's whisk arm thing in the 2011 one was cute I guess. It also kinda made me chuckle that they mentioned Delia Smith, having just watched them with a giant picture of her face in the video.

It was weird to me how little the actual format of the baking videos hasn't changed. It still goes: they tell you the step, do it, mess up a little, make jokes, move on, until they eventually have cookies that are a little imperfect. Though I kinda like that it hasn't. It really lets you see how much they, as people, have changed, which is always fun to see.

So yeah, idk if any of these thoughts are original or all that deep but. I enjoyed watching those videos again. It's always fun to see 2011 deppy as they're gaining their footing in things. (Also it really made me smile to hear them talk about the radio show in the one and about II in the other. They've come so far as people and in their career(s) and I'm just really proud of them.)

christmas cookies
i dont have much to say for this one and i feel like its cz its one of those videos i have religiously rewatched back when i was newer in the fandom. it had its good parts but i feel like ive outgrown the humour now. the things that stood out to me though is how "horny" and "hyper" dan seemed. could just be his old branding too. this child was bouncing off the walls while phil seemed like his babysitter that was just there to get paid. idk if sounded harsh but i guess my perspective REALLY changed a lot throughout the years....

bunny biscuits
aahh...the video that made me go back to drawing for dnp again. there was just so many things happening in here. i remember when people were speculating whether well be getting another crafts video (rip) but then we got the wonderful chaotic evil pigeon fest.

1. Based on these two videos, who has changed the most?

i think its obvious how the humour has changed. of course dan and phil themselves have also change quite a lot. theres a term that japanese comedians typically use: "tsukkomi" (straight man, or the one who reacts to the boke's jokes or silly acts) and "boke" (jokester, or the one who makes the jokes or silly acts). *im just using these terms loosely to describe their dynamic.* (link)

if you think about pre-monster pops era, phil was usually the tsukkomi with dan, usually bouncing off the walls, being the boke. but now the roles are reversed. phil is usually the one being a little shit and dan has to reprimand/nag him. of course, dan does still turn into a boke sometimes and phil its not a concrete thing, since both of them take turns being a little shit towards each other.

2. Is there anything from the 2011 video that you wish they would do in 2018?

honest to god? no. im fine with how they are right now - confident and comfortable. and i would like it any other way

3. Did either video make you laugh & when?

the only part i actually make a sound of laughter in the first video was when dan was trying to catch the ball of dough from phil, who was very unaware of this. i just thought it was cute. the bunny video didnt make me laugh perse, its more like me just going "alright boys, get a room" for the entire video and doing this ----> .

4. What do you think stayed the same throughout the years? They changed a lot, anything struck you as unchanged?

*in dans "im very fond but im awkward with showing it so ill act disgusted" voice * how dan didnt need introduction cz its just a fact that he is a part of phil's life cough cz theyre a family cough cheers

CapriciousCrab wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:49 pm For a guy with many kinks, Dan sure likes to kinkshame

this made me laugh out loud, thanks

hello9217 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:54 pm Do you think they bake/cook a lot in their daily life?

No, not really. Anytime they mention getting food or we see what food they are eating, it's always takeaway. I think part of the reason they eat out more than they used to is partially because they have more money and partially because of dan's dietary needs. If he's vegan about 6 days a week, it's probably easier just to order something that says it's vegan than checking every ingredient and finding new recipes to make. Although who remembers older dan live shows where you could hear Phil cooking in the background? Ah memories.

yes.....also, remember the iconic milkshake liveshow? aahh..yes...memories indeed

glitterintheair wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:13 pm - They throw things at each other, they fight, they make sexual innuendos and noises and I'm not surprised in the slightest
- They forget to do things - again, not surprised in the slightest. But also, I can't deal with the fact they BOTH forget the same thing, it's not like one forgets and the other reminds him, nooo. They BOTH FORGET THE SAME STUFF, it's like when they forgot to do the end screen in one of their gaming videos. They really do share one brain.

also of course dan and phil share one brain cell, but sometimes that brain cell gets tired and goes on vacation so things like these happen, oh well i guess

glitterintheair wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:13 pm - I still don't understand why at 11.55 they zoomed on Phil's ass and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

$10 that dan edited the bunny video

huphilpuffs wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:40 pm I feel like these two videos really draw attention to how different the nature of their changes have been. Dan's humour obviously changed a lot between the two (thank goodness. no one needs placenta cookies. ever.) Whereas I feel like a lot of the changes in Phil are more about how he approaches the making of the video. The first one really seems like he's trying to make an actual baking tutorial, and while there is some humour, it seems more like a production. I think a lot of that probably has to do with them having more practice hiding the produced elements of their videos, given the years of practice, but I do think that there was still a change in how they, especially Phil, approach these videos. It's not specific to baking, but it's always amazing to see how much less Phil seems like he's trying to put on a show now vs back then.

Also slightly related and I know it's been mentioned before, but Phil dismissing Dan when the baking was done was so odd to hear. Idk more than half of the 2018 AP vids include Dan. It's practically full of collabs now. That one moment, even without knowing what other videos they made around that time, really makes it obvious how much that's changed. (Phil calling them "Phil and Dan" had a similar effect. Their togetherness was so much less established, it's almost surreal to think about, as someone who started watching during gamingmas 2016).

i have nothing to add to this, i just wanna say +1 man

Here's me replying again, will split this into two parts once more!
We had less people on this second round, but overall, some excellent discussion - thank you so much!! I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the second set of questions, so if anyone from the first round feels like filling them in, please do!
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kavat wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:12 pm 1. Did either video seem staged to you? How would you rate their reactions?
I mean the kitchen seems staged. It's so echo-y in that room, everything looks unused, the fridge is empty. Compare that to the Manchester kitchen that was filled with bottles and things (like someone was actually living there).

I loved your whole commentary! And this is such an interesting point. I think I agree. Their kitchen looks really impersonal now, even with all the quite cute decorations, but in the Manchester video, I paused to see what alcohol they're drinking, and what else they keep on the counter. #stalker You're also right that the jokes are a bit repetitive, but I honestly love the "sexual mess" of their baking vids.

kavat wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:41 pm But you can see what stuck, they still sing awfully, they still make sexual noises and they still can't decorate for shit.

Basically deppy in a nutshell lmao. But you're so right - they know what works for us now. Back then, their audience was as unpredictable as they were, and things were constantly changing. I love the routine these days tbh, the way they know their own audience so well.

glitterintheair wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:13 pm I can't deal with the fact they BOTH forget the same thing, it's not like one forgets and the other reminds him, nooo. They BOTH FORGET THE SAME STUFF, it's like when they forgot to do the end screen in one of their gaming videos. They really do share one brain.

This made me snort. I feel like sometimes they're a pair of big children in need of guidance. Then I remember they're big grown men with an actual business, lots of money, and a steady 9-year long relationship. (The children comment was enforced when they started bunny hopping during the intermission...)

knq wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:52 pm As far as their baking—and now pumpkin carving—I love how happy they always are with the finished product even when it’s objectively awful looking. I don’t think they bake much, as it took them ages to even own an electric mixer, but they certainly cook. They can’t order takeout everyday and they’ve both talked about enjoying cooking even if they’re not masterful at it. Dan likes trying new recipes. I think they’re probably adequate enough at regular cooking that it doesn’t seem video worthy.

I love your entire post
Awww reading this made me feel soft and I agree. I mean, the Christmas cookies look hideous, I wouldn't touch them with a stick (especially the green ones), but they seem happy with them. The Easter stuff turned out way better, but then they had to decorate it (which made me crack up so much) to make it look hideous too. Still, they're proud of themselves and I am proud with them.
I think a video of them just cooking dinner would be such a hit though. Like their mukbang, but first cooking, then eating. I would watch and rewatch the heck out of that.

A bit late to the party, but I enjoyed watching those videos again! I hadn't seen the christmas one in a while, and it was nice to compare it to the most recent one.

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