Dan & Phil Part 82: now onto the future

Stakhanov · Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:24 pm

Wow, the group think is at times really oppressive in this place. Literally can't believe that pleading for some nuance and self-awareness before we start using all the big principles in the slacktivist arsenal has to lead to all of this controversy.
It just seems to me that some people here can't handle differing views without feeling attacked. You might all agree within this little echo chamber, that doesn't mean you should treat people with a view you don't like or don't understand as cellar-dwelling cartoon villains. Even if the modding team likes to be biased and can't resist characterizing people's posts.

Thank you to the people who send me messages of support in private

I hope you don't feel less welcome or to intimidated to share your view, because it would be nice if we had a forum where all perspectives in the fandom could get represented.

~ On to more pleasant issues. Phil is trying to change things up but I think it's very heard to beat the curve of dwindling views. Maybe he's not really occupied with that - that's what I hope, but the idea that DAPG games is on hiatus partly so he could focus on his own channel more is odd to me. Looks like they are just talking more distance from youtuber, so far.

Ablissa · Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:51 pm

So... does anyone know what this whole Howie Mandel thing is about?
Apparently some people approached him and now he talks to us, calling us phannies or better yet, fannies.
It's like the Faberge egg with an extra side of cringe/hilarity. He's promoting a show I guess? I'm not sure if we are his target audience

plinthofmylife · Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:54 pm

liola wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:19 am (This has nothing to do with anything but @plinthofmylife I can't express how fascinated I am with everything you post about your own creator experience and also where were you when I needed an industry look-in while I was writing my thesis sigh )

Aww, shucks... I know a lot of bigger industry folks too

sorry I don't have time travel to go back and help. I did participate on a thesis on wizard rock once and reading it was so trippy.

I'm totally on the "appreciate Phil" train. He's working his butt off at community engagement, which is no small amount of effort for a very private youtuber with big phanbase (I mistyped that and then decided to roll with that.) Also I'm loving the membership updates, they feel like a lot like patreon updates (PJ's are worth the $5 a month alone).

fancybum · Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:57 pm

People finding a poster or posting style tiresome and condescending isn’t oppressive lmao. Sometimes it might be good to look inward and think ‘wait, is it possible I might be the problem? Even just a little?’ But no, sure, it’s everybody else who’s wrong and brainwashed by group think, that has to be it. You know, it’s not even the message (well, not always), it’s the messenger. Self-awareness can be a gift, is all I’m saying. Maybe if those people kindly messaging ‘support’ privately spoke up themselves (minus the winking condescension), an effective and good faith discussion could actually take place about a topic.

And lol about Howie Mandel. He’s been in a few David Dobrik vlogs with no explanation. Random sm marketing?

liola · Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:31 pm

plinthofmylife wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:54 pm
liola wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:19 am (This has nothing to do with anything but @plinthofmylife I can't express how fascinated I am with everything you post about your own creator experience and also where were you when I needed an industry look-in while I was writing my thesis sigh )
Aww, shucks... I know a lot of bigger industry folks too sorry I don't have time travel to go back and help. I did participate on a thesis on wizard rock once and reading it was so trippy.

I'm totally on the "appreciate Phil" train. He's working his butt off at community engagement, which is no small amount of effort for a very private youtuber with big phanbase (I mistyped that and then decided to roll with that.) Also I'm loving the membership updates, they feel like a lot like patreon updates (PJ's are worth the $5 a month alone).

I mean if you ever want to have a boring (for others) professional chat lemme know lmao It could still help

I too am on the train of Phil appreciation. He seems to be enjoying himself and I find it quite interesting how he seems to be bouncing back so easily. He still obviously enjoys the creative side of it, besides being quite involved in the businessy side as well. It isn't as easy to bounce back after the kind of change he went through last year, putting his channel on a bit of a break while he was on tour which I think was the first time in years. I want a podcast with Phil where he just talks about the changes he's seen over the years in the platform and the community and how he manages not to lose interest when he could easily use his network to go into traditional media.

This shall stay my own dream I guess

Stakhanov · Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:07 pm

fancybum wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:57 pm People finding a poster or posting style tiresome and condescending isn’t oppressive lmao. Sometimes it might be good to look inward and think ‘wait, is it possible I might be the problem? Even just a little?’ But no, sure, it’s everybody else who’s wrong and brainwashed by group think, that has to be it. You know, it’s not even the message (well, not always), it’s the messenger. Self-awareness can be a gift, is all I’m saying. Maybe if those people kindly messaging ‘support’ privately spoke up themselves (minus the winking condescension), an effective and good faith discussion could actually take place about a topic.

And lol about Howie Mandel. He’s been in a few David Dobrik vlogs with no explanation. Random sm marketing?

An outstanding contribution, full of self-awareness and without a hint of condescension - i guess it's only condescending if it disagrees with your point of view.
The group think was brought up by another user, who promptly got a bunch of rather rude replies. It wasn't brought up in connection to my person as you now do, but in connection to the issue being discussed - Dan's tumblr's blog which got called homophobic but any view that disagrees with that is apparently just a "ok, but here's why i'm right" response. Maybe it's not a bad idea to look inward either and wonder why it is people make that comment or why I've gotten multiple messages over the months of people who tell me they don't want to partake in the discussion because they feel they will be piled up on? Just a suggestion - a condescending one unlike yours, no doubt.
Anyway this tune is getting old but if you dish out the ad hominems and target the messenger you can expect an answer back.

~This Howie Mandel saga is pretty funny. I've seen some organized attempts of people trying to elicit any kind of response from him, and to his credit he knows how to use this random attention to promote his own message. No real harm done here imo, though I often feel fandom members are way out of line when they comment in force on someone who's at best is tangentially related to Dan and Phil. As Dan has put it: "don't ruin the comment section".

flarequake · Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:13 pm

Realised a while ago that I haven’t commented on Phil’s video, but I loved it, good twist to use that format and I love Young Phil’s mane of hair. Took me a while to get his description of his hand breaking off my mind, though

plinthofmylife · Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:33 pm

liola wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:31 pm I want a podcast with Phil where he just talks about the changes he's seen over the years in the platform and the community and how he manages not to lose interest when he could easily use his network to go into traditional media.

This shall stay my own dream I guess

I will join you in this dream valley. That would be amazing. I freaking LOVE talking business with creators, and hearing Phil's decisions would help *me*.

Also, feel free to PM me @liola - down to help if I can!

Birdie · Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:45 pm

Okay, @Stakhanov:

I actually would love a podcast by Phil too, I don't even care what it would be about. An insight into being a creator would be amazing though. But I just like listening to him, I think he has a very podcast friendly voice.

flarequake · Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:55 pm

While we’re talking podcast, insight into behind the scenes and his thoughts on it would be amazing. Also I’d love if he dropped in the occasional line or verse of baritone-range singing. Of course an entire album would go down very well indeed, thank you, Phil. Dan on falsetto and/or piano a lovely bonus, I’m sure. Podcast actually vaguely likely, though

phanfckingtastic · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:01 pm

I have to say, I kind of admire the balls and lack of self-awareness of someone being repeatedly told others find their disposition online unpleasant, yet still wanting to engage with that same group. (and I thought I was stubborn. yikes.)
(this knowing I'm most likely foe'd by many myself and past posts of mine have been annoying to other members too btw so I now just post as little as possible lmao)

anywayyyy very happy with this Year of the Phillies so far. re-watched the newest vid several times, which doesn't happen often. and though I'd love some new content, I've been using my newly alone breakfast time as an opportunity to revisit some liveshows form last year, and other vids. I think we just got so much stuff I didn't even process half of it but it was a great year and helps me miss their dnp-ness a bit less.

I have no clue what the new vid will be about, but it's so nice to have something coming out again in the next few days!

add me to those fully on board with Phil on a podcast -or any format, really- discussing his career and his thoughts on professional stuff at length, & without Dan.
(for some reason I thought a long chat about "the industry" between Jimmy and Phil would be very interesting. *wistful gay sigh* a man can dream)
now thinking about it Phil as an "interviewer" would be very interesting as well, because he makes unusual mental connections and is so pleasant I think he'd disarm people to speak about all sorts of things. too bad I don't think he'd be interested in that. still I hope this year we get at least one or two collabs from him that are not with Dan.

Birdie · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:07 pm

flarequake wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:55 pm While we’re talking podcast, insight into behind the scenes and his thoughts on it would be amazing. Also I’d love if he dropped in the occasional line or verse of baritone-range singing. Of course an entire album would go down very well indeed, thank you, Phil. Dan on falsetto and/or piano a lovely bonus, I’m sure. Podcast actually vaguely likely, though

Listen, I have sometimes wondered what kind of album Dan or Phil would make (like, what genre and stuff) if they could sing/write music and I never got very far because the thought is just too silly. But it's still fun to think about. (I might have also wondered what kind of roles they would take if they were actors, that's how you know I have too much time on my hands.)

knq · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:20 pm

Talk of a podcast is making me miss liveshows even more :happytears:

I started compiling together the parts of their first YouNows where they’d both come on screen and sometimes open a fan package at the end.

Phil shared a kinder egg with Dan. That’s true love man

liola · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Sharing a kinder egg is true love indeed.

I'm glad my podcast dream are shared by many. Granted a huge part of it is just having his voice in my ears for as long as possible without the chat shoutout but no one has to know lol

To stay in topic, in one of my last fanfics (not spon promise) I wrote Phil pitching and then selling his own animated show script and I keep thinking about it, combining his weird animal love, the drawing game he used to do and now I'm imagining him doing the voice acting. I just want more Phil creativity in my life please

flarequake · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:38 pm

Oh, I hadn’t considered them writing songs, but Phil’s voice reminds me of old crooners like Sinatra, a Fly Me to the Moon kind of vibe.

Stakhanov · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:45 pm

flarequake wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:55 pm While we’re talking podcast, insight into behind the scenes and his thoughts on it would be amazing. Also I’d love if he dropped in the occasional line or verse of baritone-range singing. Of course an entire album would go down very well indeed, thank you, Phil. Dan on falsetto and/or piano a lovely bonus, I’m sure. Podcast actually vaguely likely, though

A podcast would be amazing. And hopefully also on fire

I promise this is my only pun. Singing and Piano intermezzo's? Bring it on that would be lovely. If i can dream, i'd love for them to mix different genres. Part of the podcast could be some lightly scripted, in depth conversation about themes in philosophy, psychology, their world view and social observations... All told through the prism of personal anecdotes and with some good banter. Maybe a bit like Dan's old sketches or Phil's early personal vlog stories, but reflecting their experiences as (almost) 30-somethings and in an hour or so instead of condensed in clips of a couple of minutes. Then there could be a more artistic part of the podcast, where they could play some piano, sing or narrate something. I'd love for them to narrate some (bad) fanfiction or do some other light-hearted stuff where they can just let their creativity flow.
The podcast idea seems to be popular among many fans. I hope they catch on to the suggestions and follow through. It would require a lot of work, and I think they would want to do it quite professionally as ex DJ's. Maybe that would work motivating for them because it'd hone their skills in area's that might be interesting for (side)projects, but at the same time I can also see them thinking it's a lot of effort for not to much of a financial return. While just chatting and eating pizza on cam would also make a lot of the fandom happy

Ataraxia25 · Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:59 pm

knq wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:20 pm Talk of a podcast is making me miss liveshows even more

I started compiling together the parts of their first YouNows where they’d both come on screen and sometimes open a fan package at the end.

Phil shared a kinder egg with Dan. That’s true love man

Who would even share a kinder egg? Nopity nope!

Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:13 pm

There is nothing significant about this but I saw this tweet with really pretty pictures of Phil and I felt like other people deserved to see them as well.

I just like his face a lot sometimes. It's a good face.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:17 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:13 pm There is nothing significant about this but I saw this tweet with really pretty pictures of Phil and I felt like other people deserved to see them as well.

I just like his face a lot sometimes. It's a good face.

#ThrowbackThursday cause I was OBSESSED with his 'idgaf' face at the time, to the point where I made this:

so_cheesy · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:22 pm

There are many who agree with he things Stakhanov is trying to make you understand, you people just alienated all of them, creating a hivemind for yourselves. And just because there’s barely anyone left here with opposing opinions doesn’t mean you’re always right.

knq · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:27 pm

#KINDER PROOF

fancybum · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:38 pm

so_cheesy wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:22 pm There are many who agree with he things Stakhanov is trying to make you understand, you people just alienated all of them, creating a hivemind for yourselves. And just because there’s barely anyone left here with opposing opinions doesn’t mean you’re always right.

What, specifically, was he trying to make us understand in the previous discussions that our hivemind just couldn’t grasp?

freesocks · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:39 pm

I also agree with Stakhanov. I don’t post here because I’ve repeatedly seen this forum to be incredibly biased and not open to hearing any criticism or differing opinions. Also, I am often made uncomfortable with the way Dan and Phil are discussed here, especially the lengths people go to invade their privacy and the entitlement some seem to think they have to their private lives. The things some people have accused Dan of are downright vile all while invading his privacy repeatedly. He isn’t the only person who disagrees with posters here by a long shot.

liola · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:44 pm

I am deeply confused. What do their private lives and the "accusations" made to Dan (aka the language and way of speaking that he used almost 7 years ago) have anything to do with the most recent discussion about holding them accountable with the influence they have on their audience, as professionals with million of people, huge part of it made of impressionable young women who might not find their love for sexist anime that wholesome? I fail to see the connection. But maybe the hivemind is blocking my ability to understand English

Birdie · Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:49 pm

so_cheesy wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:22 pm There are many who agree with he things Stakhanov is trying to make you understand, you people just alienated all of them, creating a hivemind for yourselves. And just because there’s barely anyone left here with opposing opinions doesn’t mean you’re always right.

'kay. See, I'm literally one of those people on here with a "different opinion" on many things. I don't ship them, for instance, and that's not a secret. I know of a few other posters who don't and we still get along fine. Differing opinions is not the problem here. It's the way Stakhanov is expressing his opinions that's not okay. I don't think he's always wrong. He has said things I actually agree with now and then. But the way he says them is what's bothering people. It's not that hard, guys.

Also I don't see how realising that Dan and Phil are influencers who are actually responsible for what they say to their fanbase of millions makes us a hivemind. That's just literally a thing, it's not an opinion.