Dan & Phil Part 94: Year of the Rats

[flarequake]

I wouldn’t call Phil bitchy for saying things like that, just ‘I’ll keep control of my own head, thank you’. He was lovely at VidCon, he was a little ‘embarrassed’ about all the cheering when he arrived for the panel, I guess cos he doesn’t want to look arrogant, at one point he said ‘my head won’t fit through the door’ after all the achievements we’re listed in the podcast (turns out creator track was allowed in, the tags on the listing just hadn’t been updated when they changed the time). Science show part was hilarious of course and even without being the presenter, he kept up enough of his own commentary to be interesting and funny. It’s also lovely seeing him in all his 6’2” glory, and the blue jacket went well with his ginger hair, he’s a gorgeous big lug.

[alittledizzy]

I hope he uploads this ls. He was so sassy today

That response about him doing what he wants with his hair cracked me up.

I’ve been slightly obsessed with the idea of him
dyeing his hair so I’m glad he replied to my question and also followed it up with that response. I love his brown hair but he’s been mentioning blonde so much lately I just wanted to know if he was serious
(I love that he shortens my username and calls me Jenn too)

i just got a chance watch the liveshow so this is a painfully late response, but i kinda wanna bring this moment back (it starts at 17:18 in phil's recording for anyone who wants to play it back)

phil was SO feisty in a way we so rarely see: "'please don't'... i mean, i'll do what i want with my hair, to be honest." like, damn. damn.

not to get too deep, but... heh. i will.

this feels like the kinda shit that just sorta bubbles over when you've spent months reading (or watching your boyfriend read) fan tirades about what they think you should or shouldn't do with your life/career/etc. and the opportunity to just bite back a little... even if it's just about going blonde? probs felt good to phil.

it honestly felt good to watch too?? couldn't explain it, but shit. sign me up for more bitchy!phil, plskthx.

Yesssss I fully co-sign all of this.

I wouldn’t call Phil bitchy for saying things like that, just ‘I’ll keep control of my own head, thank you’. He was lovely at VidCon, he was a little ‘embarrassed’ about all the cheering when he arrived for the panel, I guess cos he doesn’t want to look arrogant, at one point he said ‘my head won’t fit through the door’ after all the achievements we’re listed in the podcast (turns out creator track was allowed in, the tags on the listing just hadn’t been updated when they changed the time). Science show part was hilarious of course and even without being the presenter, he kept up enough of his own commentary to be interesting and funny. It’s also lovely seeing him in all his 6’2” glory, and the blue jacket went well with his ginger hair, he’s a gorgeous big lug.

I think bitchy is being used as a compliment here! Remember when the fandom not-as-fondly referred to him as a robot? This is a guy that's definitely dealt with anxiety, and social anxiety, for a really long time. He was a chronic compartmentalizer of feelings and annoyance/strong opinions/irritation were not available to us, the audience. To see this kind of sass and sharpness feels like a glimpse of the real Phil, the guy that has thoughts and opinions and emotions.

[Megancita75]

I haven't had a chance to watch the liveshow yet, but I have been thinking the last few days that I am loving this sense of ownership and boundaries that I just keep getting from them both. Like, maybe as a fan I am sad that for Dan this means going MIA but I overall just find that so healthy that I can't be really too mad about it. I don't know, I'm a new fan, so I don't have the history many of you have, but I just get a sense of agency and authenticity from them both that I really like (and of course, this is just as much about me projecting my own need for more agency and authenticity in my own life, etc., but I am still digging it).

[liola]

I love that people are discovering that Phil can and will be a sassy bitch when he wants to because it's one of my favorite things about him. He can be extremely stubborn and pretty confident in his ideas and i just love love love that about him

[Susanisnotafish]

At the risk of stirring up controversy, what are people’s thoughts on the Phil mention starting at 3:13?

I took his comment a completely different way at first. I’m kind of upset that they left it in. And more upset that that guy feels that way.

[obvsly]

At the risk of stirring up controversy, what are people’s thoughts on the Phil mention starting at 3:13?

I took his comment a completely different way at first. I’m kind of upset that they left it in. And more upset that that guy feels that way.

wow. not gonna lie, this boils my blood a little. it's not that they just "left" it in but the interviewer pushed the joke further with that word "settle" and the zoom in. the guy has been using dan as a running joke on the channel for years. sorry this is one step too far for me.

[Catallena]

At the risk of stirring up controversy, what are people’s thoughts on the Phil mention starting at 3:13?

I took his comment a completely different way at first. I’m kind of upset that they left it in. And more upset that that guy feels that way.

Yikes, that's rude and gross from both of them. For a second I also thought that joke would go differently, and then the host doubled down. Also what's with men who look like a thumb thinking they're in the position to 'settle' for anyone, especially someone like Phil? I'm not petty at all and I have no idea why you accuse me of that.

[rizzo]

Honestly, y'all? I miss Dan Howell on a spiritual level at this point.

Thanks for listening.

[Birdie]

At the risk of stirring up controversy, what are people’s thoughts on the Phil mention starting at 3:13?

I took his comment a completely different way at first. I’m kind of upset that they left it in. And more upset that that guy feels that way.

wow. not gonna lie, this boils my blood a little. it's not that they just "left" it in but the interviewer pushed the joke further with that word "settle" and the zoom in. the guy has been using dan as a running joke on the channel for years. sorry this is one step too far for me.

Would anyone mind writing down what was said in a spoiler if it's offensive? I don't want to click the video and give them views but I wanna know.

[flarequake]

‘Who look like a thumb’ tbh I didn’t care, but obvs I see why people are offended for Phil. When I first clicked on I was just so glad it wasn’t Jazza just before him who’d said it, but he’s praised Phil’s merch before and worn it to SITC and in a video, so he has Phil taste.

[Becky.rigby]

Why does Dans last twitter like remind me so much of him :/ i really hope he isn't feeling like that and is ok, i would dread to think by sharing his mental health story with us it has made him feel worse

[Amiaw]

Idk how true this is so grain of salt but

And

[liola]

I can't BELIEVE Phil went to a drag store and there's no photographic proof I am in despair

[rizzo]

Phil at a drag show makes sense - he’s mentioned his friend who’s a drag queen, so probs there to support?

What I find more odd is the idea that he was there without Dan. That people only noticed Phil. Surely Bryony was there, but the idea that Phil might just be chillin’ at a drag show on his own really brings me joy.

[Amiaw]

Phil went with Cornelia. Slightly less odd but I wonder where dan was

[madzilla84]

I wondered that too; seems like the sort of thing he’d love. I guess he could be busy, or out of town, or anything, mind you.

[wiccamoody]

There's this super blurry photo but idk...no mention of Dan or anyone just makes me think it's Martyn, especially with how light the hair is in this pic... Not that I don't love Phil and Cornelia hanging out and going to a drag show, literally no problem with that, but given track records and all...I guess we may or may not find out tomorrow?

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At the risk of stirring up controversy, what are people’s thoughts on the Phil mention starting at 3:13?

I took his comment a completely different way at first. I’m kind of upset that they left it in. And more upset that that guy feels that way.

wow. not gonna lie, this boils my blood a little. it's not that they just "left" it in but the interviewer pushed the joke further with that word "settle" and the zoom in. the guy has been using dan as a running joke on the channel for years. sorry this is one step too far for me.

Would anyone mind writing down what was said in a spoiler if it's offensive? I don't want to click the video and give them views but I wanna know.

Calum McSwiggan: If it has to be a man-

Host: Okay...Phil Lester is here

C: Is-is Dan here?

H: Dan is not here

C: That sounds so mean to Phil doesn't it!

Both: [Laughter]

C: [nervously] But yeah, yeah Phil, Phil's good

H: Dan's not here, so you have to settle with Phil-no I'm kidding. Phil's a lovely man

This is really fucking gross. Not a fan of this at all, wish they cut this out.

[Amiaw]

There’s tweets all over twitter now from people that attended the show and they all are saying it was Phil. I’m actually shocked that Phil would go to a drag show before Dan but Phil has been doing so many things I’d never thought he’d do that I don’t know why I’m surprised.

[wiccamoody]

There’s tweets all over twitter now from people that attended the show and they all are saying it was Phil. I’m actually shocked that Phil would go to a drag show before Dan but Phil has been doing so many things I’d never thought he’d do that I don’t know why I’m surprised.

Hm. I'm not sure if I want to take those with a grain of salt or not...

And not at you, Aminaw, because it's something I see much more in phandom outside of this platform and your post doesn't really reflect this, but the idea that because Dan's so much "louder" about his queerness than Phil = making him more likely to do things like go to drag shows before Phil feel so routed in that weird forced feminization on Dan and it just always throws me off and kind of makes me mad because of the weird ass expectations thrown on Dan all the time as a more "effeminate" gay man.

Tbh I would have expected them to go to a drag show together but eh, again they can do whatever they want with whoever they want. I have no insecurity in their relationship like a lot of people seem to do lol.

[Amiaw]

Oh the reason I said I’d expect Dan to go before Phil is because Dan always talks about drag race and follows a lot of the queens on twitter/Instagram but I can see your point in general.

[blahblahblah8]

I wonder in Phil was there for his friend or just wanted to see a drag show. Either way I hope he had fun! I don’t find it strange if Phil was there alone or with friends not including dan. I hope he does talk about it tomorrow!

[Templeofshame]

I wonder in Phil was there for his friend or just wanted to see a drag show. Either way I hope he had fun! I don’t find it strange if Phil was there alone or with friends not including dan. I hope he does talk about it tomorrow!

Phil isn't friends with Scaredy Kat (unless I've missed a lot); I assume the friend we're talking about is Adam? I don't think Adam has anything to do with the Scaredy Kat show just because they both do drag? Am I missing something here?

[alittledizzy]

I wonder in Phil was there for his friend or just wanted to see a drag show. Either way I hope he had fun! I don’t find it strange if Phil was there alone or with friends not including dan. I hope he does talk about it tomorrow!

Phil isn't friends with Scaredy Kat (unless I've missed a lot); I assume the friend we're talking about is Adam? I don't think Adam has anything to do with the Scaredy Kat show just because they both do drag? Am I missing something here?

Since Cornelia posted the ig story about going I have a strong suspicion that it was more than just Phil and they either just missed Dan, or Dan specifically was busy or out of town so Phil and Cornelia (+Martyn maybe) went.

[blahblahblah8]

I wonder in Phil was there for his friend or just wanted to see a drag show. Either way I hope he had fun! I don’t find it strange if Phil was there alone or with friends not including dan. I hope he does talk about it tomorrow!

Phil isn't friends with Scaredy Kat (unless I've missed a lot); I assume the friend we're talking about is Adam? I don't think Adam has anything to do with the Scaredy Kat show just because they both do drag? Am I missing something here?

Oh I just knew he had a friend that does drag! Didn’t know his name or anything and didn’t know what drag show he was at so I thought it might’ve been the friend! Thanks for clearing that up!

[liola]

Phil can enjoy things without Dan? Dan doesn't have the prerogative on queer experiences? They've been watching drag race together so they probably have the same amount of love for drag shows?

But mostly, this

I wonder in Phil was there for his friend or just wanted to see a drag show. Either way I hope he had fun! I don’t find it strange if Phil was there alone or with friends not including dan. I hope he does talk about it tomorrow!

Phil isn't friends with Scaredy Kat (unless I've missed a lot); I assume the friend we're talking about is Adam? I don't think Adam has anything to do with the Scaredy Kat show just because they both do drag? Am I missing something here?

Since Cornelia posted the ig story about going I have a strong suspicion that it was more than just Phil and they either just missed Dan, or Dan specifically was busy or out of town so Phil and Cornelia (+Martyn maybe) went.