bedhead91 wrote:
Wouldn't he, though? There are plenty of good reasons why Phan probably isn't real, like a lot of the reasons you brought up, but this isn't one of them. If Dan and Phil want to keep their relationship private and Martyn is aware of that fact, why would he tell a random overeager fan at the merch stand about it?
Rethinking it, I agree that Phil's brother would be more likely to lie for them than their friends, also because (as
pearshaped34 said) he was asked in person and a non-answer would have been considered “suspicous“.
bedhead91 wrote:
You're mixing up the issue of Dan's sexuality with Phan denial, when they are two things that should be addressed separately. This isn't a personal attack, as I see a lot of people do this when bringing up 2012, but it does irk me somewhat.
I was confused because some posts like for example this one
bedhead91 wrote:
(He does infuriate me, though, reading back those customer service department replies. If I didn't see it as the insecure vitriol of someone struggling with their sexuality, I would have wanted to back in time just to tell him to stop being a drama queen.
made me think insecurity/struggling with sexuality is used to justify his Phan denials (customer service blog answers). But maybe I misunderstood you and others, I interpreted it as 'he was insecure about being perceived as not straight and therefore in respect to Phan he didn't want people to think that he might be in a relationship with Phil‘.
bedhead91 wrote:
I do think that Dan seemed massively insecure in his own sexuality at the time, far beyond just being 'misleading about his sexuality.' He seemed to get genuinely offended when people asked him if he was gay, to the point that he came across as homophobic.
Judging from what I've seen (maybe I missed some things so it's good that you plan to make a master post) I didn't get the impression he was “genuinely offended“ by being asked if he was gay. I mean he said things like “I'm not gay but thank you, if you say I am I guess that's only a compliment“ or “Do you want me to be? Unfortunately not, no.“ It's not like he reacted “no, why the hell, when do you finally understand it, I AM NOT GAY!!!!“ that's what I would consider “offended to the point it came across as homophobic“. He might have seemed a bit irritated when he made a joke and people didn't get it or because they made stupid comments ("your hair looks gay") or genereally I would say because people were so obsessed with the topic and asked him pretty often and he got the impression that many people wanted him to be gay so he felt the need to repeatedly clarify it.
bedhead91 wrote:
I do wonder about that tweet sometimes myself, but if it's true, then the alternative is that Dan is queerbaiting the hell out of his audience at the moment with all of his casual male attraction mentions.. which is really not cool. I'd like to think that he's too self-aware to do that in 2016. Or maybe he's just a dick, but I don't think so.
Judging from his answer in that Sunday Times interview I don't think Dan will ever reveal his sexual orientation, so he might feel free to say these things that would be considered queerbaiting if it was known that he is straight (or if at least the majority of the fans was convinced that he is straight). In my opinion Dan's attitude is like 'why use a label if it is much more convenient and safer not say anything‘ because whatever he says these days (but especially if he says straight) there will be some people who are disappointed (be it shippers, girls who want to “marry him“,...) so maybe he thinks it's better to let everyone have their personal belief about his sexual orientation.
bedhead91 wrote:
I mean, if the flirting and the Voldy video was just a fabricated mess of lies that he and Phil orchestrated, he had absolutely no right to get so upset at the idea that people thought they were together. They made their own beds and all that.)
I agree that one can criticize him for getting angry about something that he is responsible for in the sense that had he never done or said certain things then there would be no Phan rumours. According to him they only “used to joke around like anyone else would without a second thought“ but it was a bit questionable behaviour because, if it was in fact only joking it was not that obvious and therefore potentially misleading. But other people used to joke around about attraction as well and Dan and Phil could not foresee how much of a big deal the 2009 things would ever become. And I understand that it can be frustrating when you regret some of the things you have done and clear up things but people don't listen to you and constantly dig up old stuff you said. And I don't think one can blame them for Voldy as they didn't go through with it and when it was published accidentally they made pretty clear from the beginning that it was a prank. They cannot do anything else than that, it's what people make out of it because they don't believe their word.
Not that there would be anything wrong about them being together, but if out of nothing you see how the crazy part of the Phandom is acting, it's hard not to be disturbed.
