Oh me oh my. What do we have here? I went off idb for 3 hours and now there is a tour dog out of nowhere, you guys really move fast. Now we need to know more information about this dog I need to go stalkingLain wrote:From Juliet Kozlow (one of the merch girl)'s Instagram:With the caption: "FINALLY met the tour dog Gypsy. She is perfection. I Gypsy."
I need to know more about this Gypsy. What is a tour dog??
moonlitdan on Tumblr posted a gif of this lovely moment (I just slowed it down a bit):alittledizzy wrote:This was almost impossible to screencap since the camera's panning but I love these unguarded/not camera-aware expressions.
Why is Phil sitting so close to that potato sack (very cute potato sack for that matter)Lain wrote:moonlitdan on Tumblr posted a gif of this lovely moment (I just slowed it down a bit):alittledizzy wrote:This was almost impossible to screencap since the camera's panning but I love these unguarded/not camera-aware expressions.
Phil's expression
I'm not surprised by this.IckleMissMayhem wrote: That place name has made me smile every time I've seen it. Glad I'm not the only one.
But brace yourselves guys...
Philly NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I don't want to drag back an old conversation, but do people think that Dan winking at the 'purposeful-butt-touching' comment was ship baiting? I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, I didn't get any Phan vibe from that moment. I feel like Dan would have winked like that even if the person was not Phil. It was a jokey wink.bluntedclaws wrote:I loved your post fancybum. I found myself nodding and reaching for the 'thanks' button about a dozen times. (Oh how I miss that button) The only bit that I didn't 100% agree with was this:I don't really get how joining in with shippers is any different from ship baiting? I mean, in some instances I do, like the 'Phan baby names' thing. That really was just Dan enjoying a fun interaction. but in Phil's the last video when Louise said 'or not accidentally' about groping Phil's butt and Dan made a HUGE show of agreeing with her and then Phil not only left it in during editing but zoomed in on him. IMO that was either ship-baiting or they are really trying to slowly come out.fancybum wrote:And what are people even calling shipbait these days with phan? That 'trash ranking' tweet was not shipbaiting; acknowledging a ship and teasing a ship are very different things. There's no point in pretending they're not aware of people shipping the fuck out of them; acknowledging the jokes and occasionally joining in (completely harmlessly in this case) just seems like a nice interaction with their audience.
Same. But yes there is people that think that is some kind of baiting. Everything is baiting!!!spaceguitar wrote:I don't want to drag back an old conversation, but do people think that Dan winking at the 'purposeful-butt-touching' comment was ship baiting? I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, I didn't get any Phan vibe from that moment. I feel like Dan would have winked like that even if the person was not Phil. It was a jokey wink.bluntedclaws wrote:I loved your post fancybum. I found myself nodding and reaching for the 'thanks' button about a dozen times. (Oh how I miss that button) The only bit that I didn't 100% agree with was this:I don't really get how joining in with shippers is any different from ship baiting? I mean, in some instances I do, like the 'Phan baby names' thing. That really was just Dan enjoying a fun interaction. but in Phil's the last video when Louise said 'or not accidentally' about groping Phil's butt and Dan made a HUGE show of agreeing with her and then Phil not only left it in during editing but zoomed in on him. IMO that was either ship-baiting or they are really trying to slowly come out.fancybum wrote:And what are people even calling shipbait these days with phan? That 'trash ranking' tweet was not shipbaiting; acknowledging a ship and teasing a ship are very different things. There's no point in pretending they're not aware of people shipping the fuck out of them; acknowledging the jokes and occasionally joining in (completely harmlessly in this case) just seems like a nice interaction with their audience.
Mmm...I didn't see this moment as baiting at all, but well, people are entitled to have their own opinion and to be respected for itmajitzu wrote:Same. But yes there is people that think that is some kind of baiting. Everything is baiting!!!spaceguitar wrote:I don't want to drag back an old conversation, but do people think that Dan winking at the 'purposeful-butt-touching' comment was ship baiting? I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, I didn't get any Phan vibe from that moment. I feel like Dan would have winked like that even if the person was not Phil. It was a jokey wink.bluntedclaws wrote:I loved your post fancybum. I found myself nodding and reaching for the 'thanks' button about a dozen times. (Oh how I miss that button) The only bit that I didn't 100% agree with was this:I don't really get how joining in with shippers is any different from ship baiting? I mean, in some instances I do, like the 'Phan baby names' thing. That really was just Dan enjoying a fun interaction. but in Phil's the last video when Louise said 'or not accidentally' about groping Phil's butt and Dan made a HUGE show of agreeing with her and then Phil not only left it in during editing but zoomed in on him. IMO that was either ship-baiting or they are really trying to slowly come out.fancybum wrote:And what are people even calling shipbait these days with phan? That 'trash ranking' tweet was not shipbaiting; acknowledging a ship and teasing a ship are very different things. There's no point in pretending they're not aware of people shipping the fuck out of them; acknowledging the jokes and occasionally joining in (completely harmlessly in this case) just seems like a nice interaction with their audience.
If Dan had done that with anyone else I would have just shrugged and not thought anything of it. It's the fact that he did that with PHIL, knowing full well how people blow everything out of proportion, that made me consider it a bit baitey. The point I was trying to make anyway is, where is the line between "joining in with shippers" and "ship-baiting"?spaceguitar wrote: I don't want to drag back an old conversation, but do people think that Dan winking at the 'purposeful-butt-touching' comment was ship baiting? I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, I didn't get any Phan vibe from that moment. I feel like Dan would have winked like that even if the person was not Phil. It was a jokey wink.
but...
The thing about this is that - you met a version of Dan and Phil. I don't really think that version was necessarily any more or less real than the version people at meet and greets get to see, though. They will be different in a group setting with fans hyping the energy than they will be in a fan who approach them in a quieter setting on the street. But they'd also be different if you met them and you were a friend, or if you were a family member, or if they were at a party drunk, or if you were in a professional setting, or if you were the receptionist in a doctor's office, etc etc. We all put on different faces for different people and different circumstances. No one is exactly the same person from every scenario to the next. What makes us up as people are all the faces we have for all the situations that we'll find ourselves in.mazza1506 wrote:Fast forward almost a week later and I had some sort of epiphany and feel like a bit of a shit for being so angry. I basically met Dan and Phil. Like the actual Daniel and Philip. No bright lights, no screaming and crying girls, no paying over $100 for the pleasure. Because it was so random and not organised it put them on the spot (I kinda feel a bit guilty about this but meh) and they couldn’t get their “game faces” on so just had a normal conversation with three women (aside from Dan’s “relatable” comment but I guess my death stare curbed that lol) they didn’t even ask if we wanted photos etc...we just chatted and it was missemma who actually prompted them and i was a bit like “oh yeah lol”
SquishPhan wrote:I'm not surprised by this.IckleMissMayhem wrote: That place name has made me smile every time I've seen it. Glad I'm not the only one.
But brace yourselves guys...
Philly NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Phil. Ohh but he didn't fail in his quest to collect those little pokey-men, did he now?mazza1506, thank you for sharing your honest opinions and reflections on meeting D&P. I never have and probably never will meet them but even though I'm just some random who likes their work (coughandappearancecough) and posts reactions to them on here and social media, I can see what you're saying about how huge this is. I actually paused for a moment yesterday after looking at some of the M&G photos and thought...they're doing it. They're really doing it. They made it all happen. They're an inspiration.mazza1506 wrote: So I guess my point is.....is there a point to this? Im still trying to work that out.....but i think the gist of it is that it reminded me that they are just two normal guys and that the whole thing of Dan saying he is awkward etc isn’t a load of crap coz my god the vibes off that boy was just....yeah. So I have to give them both maaajor kudos for embarking on this huuuuuge tour and doing all the stuff they have to do....I am interested in to how this will change them because honestly I think it will change them A LOT.
this is so true. see again being better at putting words down than me!alittledizzy wrote:The thing about this is that - you met a version of Dan and Phil. I don't really think that version was necessarily any more or less real than the version people at meet and greets get to see, though. They will be different in a group setting with fans hyping the energy than they will be in a fan who approach them in a quieter setting on the street. But they'd also be different if you met them and you were a friend, or if you were a family member, or if they were at a party drunk, or if you were in a professional setting, or if you were the receptionist in a doctor's office, etc etc. We all put on different faces for different people and different circumstances. No one is exactly the same person from every scenario to the next. What makes us up as people are all the faces we have for all the situations that we'll find ourselves in.mazza1506 wrote:Fast forward almost a week later and I had some sort of epiphany and feel like a bit of a shit for being so angry. I basically met Dan and Phil. Like the actual Daniel and Philip. No bright lights, no screaming and crying girls, no paying over $100 for the pleasure. Because it was so random and not organised it put them on the spot (I kinda feel a bit guilty about this but meh) and they couldn’t get their “game faces” on so just had a normal conversation with three women (aside from Dan’s “relatable” comment but I guess my death stare curbed that lol) they didn’t even ask if we wanted photos etc...we just chatted and it was missemma who actually prompted them and i was a bit like “oh yeah lol”
I don't at all doubt that Dan puts on a game face when going to a meet and greet/going onstage, but it doesn't seem any less like a real part of Dan than the guy on the street. It's just the part of him that he chooses to project on that stage as part of his job.
Bless you, bless you, I was going to try & verbalize a though similar to this one but I would never be able to do it this well & yes, yes yes. Also yes. Did I mention yes? Because I kinda agree. In case you couldn't tell. There's on one real and constant you, we're ever-growing and ever-shrinking, inconsistent and circumstance-driven messes made up of contradictions just trying to nagivate our way through life. A persona's no more fake than your work face or and your fandom voice. It's just parts of you, hightened and packaged in a way that are marketable and digestable. They're still real. They're fictional, too, but so am I & so are you. We're all just writing ourselves into a narrative that makes sense to us & that allows us to do the things that we want to. Nobody's just one thing, always.alittledizzy wrote:The thing about this is that - you met a version of Dan and Phil. I don't really think that version was necessarily any more or less real than the version people at meet and greets get to see, though. They will be different in a group setting with fans hyping the energy than they will be in a fan who approach them in a quieter setting on the street. But they'd also be different if you met them and you were a friend, or if you were a family member, or if they were at a party drunk, or if you were in a professional setting, or if you were the receptionist in a doctor's office, etc etc. We all put on different faces for different people and different circumstances. No one is exactly the same person from every scenario to the next. What makes us up as people are all the faces we have for all the situations that we'll find ourselves in.
I don't at all doubt that Dan puts on a game face when going to a meet and greet/going onstage, but it doesn't seem any less like a real part of Dan than the guy on the street. It's just the part of him that he chooses to project on that stage as part of his job.
soz for the double post but what made me change my mind about what? whether they're together? if so.... Honestly I have no idea. Like I didn't expect them to appear in front of us holding hands or anything. I guess looking back at it they had this space between them and Dan standing slightly back...it was the furthest away from each other I'd seen them lol but then that could be due to the impromptu situation. I guess in all other instances I've seen Dan gravitate towards Phil in an almost "protect me" style so yeah. It was just differentTicia wrote:Thank you mazza1506 for your insight, we were lacking some sort of opinion on Tatinof that wasn't 100% everything was perfect. (Don't get me wrong, it's really great that everybody, fan or not, seems to have such a high opinion of the show)
And as a little phan trash, I can't help but ask: what made you change your mind?
Ok semi long post ahead read at your own will:starlight-still wrote:mazza1506, thank you for sharing your honest opinions and reflections on meeting D&P. I never have and probably never will meet them but even though I'm just some random who likes their work (coughandappearancecough) and posts reactions to them on here and social media, I can see what you're saying about how huge this is. I actually paused for a moment yesterday after looking at some of the M&G photos and thought...they're doing it. They're really doing it. They made it all happen. They're an inspiration.mazza1506 wrote: So I guess my point is.....is there a point to this? Im still trying to work that out.....but i think the gist of it is that it reminded me that they are just two normal guys and that the whole thing of Dan saying he is awkward etc isn’t a load of crap coz my god the vibes off that boy was just....yeah. So I have to give them both maaajor kudos for embarking on this huuuuuge tour and doing all the stuff they have to do....I am interested in to how this will change them because honestly I think it will change them A LOT.
oh don't get me wrong I wasn't upset (sorry if it sounded like I was) and I don't regret anything or how it all panned out because honestly I now feel I have a greater appreciation for what they do (even if I still have reservations towards Dan's persona etc) which is the most important thing as you guys are all saying.bluntedclaws wrote:Thanks for sharing your thoughts mazza1506I read your entire post twice. I'm sorry that the experience upset you so much but I love that you came out of it on a positive note.
I have amazing respect for both of them for embarking on this tour. As well as what you noticed about Dan, there were those comments from Martyn a couple of weeks ago about how Phil has gone from being one of the shyest people in his family to doing this massive tour. They've both put themselves way out of their comfort zone and I hope they're really really proud of themselves.
I think for me setup meet and greets are fine because my intention in meeting them isn't to feel like I know something special or extra about them, or make any kind of connection. I literally just want the chance to see them up close. I am awkward, Dan is awkward, but that's exactly why I do like the structured 'I give you money, you give me a few seconds, we both know how this works' arrangement. There is no expectation for me to try and be special or memorable and they understand that what I'm after is a hug and a photo and there won't be any awkward silences or drawing it out. There's no pressure in a cookie cutter situation like that.lavenderpetals wrote:Honestly, is it weird or am I the only one that doesn't want to meet them IRL? I would find it so bone breaking awkward. I'm just some person thats been watching them for 6 years and for the most part critically analyzing them. I'm a naturally withdrawn and shy person and the combo of Dan also being awkward would be an explosion of awkwardness. Maybe Phil could break the tension a bit he seems a bit more social with fans. The main reason I don't want meet them is because I only see them on their videos or M & G's experiences and photos. Tt's their job to draw more fans in and keep the fans they have happy and satisfied. (I mean they're trying to market the whole D & P thing. Well to me it seems, they're becoming themselves a brand.) I just don't want to be disappointed and be like that's not the person I saw online. And of course I know they're not going to be the same person online. It's just an act or personality they have on the internet.
Yeah I’m not sure I would want to meet them either. If they do an European tour, I will for sure want to see the show, but I know I definitely wouldn’t do the meet and greet option. It’s just not really my thing.lavenderpetals wrote:Honestly, is it weird or am I the only one that doesn't want to meet them IRL? I would find it so bone breaking awkward. I'm just some person thats been watching them for 6 years and for the most part critically analyzing them. I'm a naturally withdrawn and shy person and the combo of Dan also being awkward would be an explosion of awkwardness. Maybe Phil could break the tension a bit he seems a bit more social with fans. The main reason I don't want meet them is because I only see them on their videos or M & G's experiences and photos. Tt's their job to draw more fans in and keep the fans they have happy and satisfied. (I mean they're trying to market the whole D & P thing. Well to me it seems, they're becoming themselves a brand.) I just don't want to be disappointed and be like that's not the person I saw online. And of course I know they're not going to be the same person online. It's just an act or personality they have on the internet.
