Dan & Phil Part 12: Stalking him until he loves you

[NarrysCanary]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

[greatnessflicker]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

pallll, the length larry-shippers went to explain how their management hid the relationship was next-level conspiracy stuff . Like, once you get into it, it actually started to make sense that this all-powerful music management company (modest) could control their image that tightly. people even analyzed the wording of tweets to decode if modest tweeted it from louis or harry's accounts. almost makes me miss my 1D days.

[lonely trash]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

pallll, the length larry-shippers went to explain how their management hid the relationship was next-level conspiracy stuff . Like, once you get into it, it actually started to make sense that this all-powerful music management company (modest) could control their image that tightly. people even analyzed the wording of tweets to decode if modest tweeted it from louis or harry's accounts. almost makes me miss my 1D days.

I'm not part of the 1D/Larry scene but now I really want to dig for this. Conspiracy theories are everything to me

[NarrysCanary]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

pallll, the length larry-shippers went to explain how their management hid the relationship was next-level conspiracy stuff . Like, once you get into it, it actually started to make sense that this all-powerful music management company (modest) could control their image that tightly. people even analyzed the wording of tweets to decode if modest tweeted it from louis or harry's accounts. almost makes me miss my 1D days.

[offtopic]Guuurl I know, I'm still involved in the 1D fandom and let me tell you the number of Larries who wants the baby to be dead so it could fulfill their little gay fantasies is insane and scary.[/offtopic]

[swofro]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

pallll, the length larry-shippers went to explain how their management hid the relationship was next-level conspiracy stuff . Like, once you get into it, it actually started to make sense that this all-powerful music management company (modest) could control their image that tightly. people even analyzed the wording of tweets to decode if modest tweeted it from louis or harry's accounts. almost makes me miss my 1D days.

[offtopic]Offtopic because One Direction. Lol. I once stumble upon the management theory on tumblr because I was looking for Westlife stuff. Westlife has a gay member who Directioners claim wasn't out until Westlife ended and that they are of the same management. Which are lies on both account. [/offtopic]

[alittledizzy]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy managed to keep the lie going for over 25 years... ah, those pre-social media days. Dan and Phil haven't kept the lie going that well, though. Their audience just provides a big enough smoke screen that the many minor cracks in the glass get forgotten about fast.

Really, though, I'm of the opinion that the lie is only a lie to us. If someone I don't know asks me about my sexuality I'm going to analyze the situation and figure out which of my options (be honest, lie, or evade) are most appropriate for the situation and go from there. If someone asked me if my best friend is gay, I'm not going to know what he would find most appropriate in that situation so I'd rather lie on his behalf than risk outing him to someone he didn't want to be out to. This is personal experience, obviously, and I can't apply it directly to Dan and Phil's friends since I don't know them, but I'm just using it to illustrate why denials from close friends and family members don't sway me much. All I can think is how in their position I'd do exactly the same.

I'm also of the opinion that the lie is for us, their audience, not for their inner circle. Being out personally but not professionally is a thing. What counts as inner circle is arguable but I don't think anyone who spends an extended amount of time with them doesn't know they're together. Even beyond that, that whole expanded youtube insider scene all know about/have probably seen voldy and probably have more reason to be suspicious than even we as an audience do.

[DryCereal]

$40 is ridiculous for a band tee but we all know Dan spends way more than that on his tees!

Someone gave him that Yeezus shirt at a meetup. Not sure if Phil as given his Pizza shirt...


3:08 or so.



Quick question - has anybody (else) been in a relationship they've kept quiet, for whatever reason?

[eevee]

Quick question - has anybody (else) been in a relationship they've kept quiet, for whatever reason?

I know people who did because they were dating a friend's ex...which isn't something they should be doing anyway but y'know.

[greatnessflicker]

offtopic responses to 1D under the spoiler

I'm not part of the 1D/Larry scene but now I really want to dig for this. Conspiracy theories are everything to me

here's a fun little introductory post

[offtopic]Guuurl I know, I'm still involved in the 1D fandom and let me tell you the number of Larries who wants the baby to be dead so it could fulfill their little gay fantasies is insane and scary.[/offtopic]

it's truly something that can only be understood by those of us who went through it haha. and my god, I feel bad for that kid. people already hated his existence before he was even born. I have to say though, I was so so shocked the day the news arrived about baby tomlinson, and I still remember all the shitposting that went down on tumblr

[offtopic]Offtopic because One Direction. Lol. I once stumble upon the management theory on tumblr because I was looking for Westlife stuff. Westlife has a gay member who Directioners claim wasn't out until Westlife ended and that they are of the same management. Which are lies on both account. [/offtopic]

haha. i can so picture them using that as "evidence."

[lonely trash]

Quick question - has anybody (else) been in a relationship they've kept quiet, for whatever reason?

Not me personally, but one of my close friends did. Not anymore because she came out to everyone, but yeah.

[jaej]

i've kept a relationship quiet for religious reasons before. my parents (mostly dad) would go crazy if i dated a catholic girl(ah, scotland ), and i did, so i hid that for a few months . also hid a few dates that wouldn't make me seem like a heterosexual male. i think they're cool with my identity now, but it's not that easy in reality, you can say you're okay with something and still flip out when it's actually related to you. i definitely had some friends to cover for me, but in this case it was just a sort of 'he's going into town with me, not someone else, ofc'
HOWEVER. none of those things were serious or lasted long at all. i was (and am) a teenager and these weren't, like, proper relationships. can't imagine it being on a phan scale, not even with the amount of people it could be hidden from, but how much there would be to hide

[bee]

^ I'm one of those people that doesn't take it either way, and, like you said, a good brother wouldn't out his sibling, but i think for the anti-phan people (other than they are grasping at straws in some cases), all those denials just add up, you know? like how can you keep a lie going on this long and this well (except a few mishaps here and there).

I agree with this, the anti-larry have the same proof, apparently many people in the industry know about their hidden relationship but nobody has ever tried to spill the truth, it does not add up. But once again, we're assuming that not many people know about if they're together, which is easier for them to hide their relationship.

Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy managed to keep the lie going for over 25 years... ah, those pre-social media days. Dan and Phil haven't kept the lie going that well, though. Their audience just provides a big enough smoke screen that the many minor cracks in the glass get forgotten about fast.

Really, though, I'm of the opinion that the lie is only a lie to us. If someone I don't know asks me about my sexuality I'm going to analyze the situation and figure out which of my options (be honest, lie, or evade) are most appropriate for the situation and go from there. If someone asked me if my best friend is gay, I'm not going to know what he would find most appropriate in that situation so I'd rather lie on his behalf than risk outing him to someone he didn't want to be out to. This is personal experience, obviously, and I can't apply it directly to Dan and Phil's friends since I don't know them, but I'm just using it to illustrate why denials from close friends and family members don't sway me much. All I can think is how in their position I'd do exactly the same.

I'm also of the opinion that the lie is for us, their audience, not for their inner circle. Being out personally but not professionally is a thing. What counts as inner circle is arguable but I don't think anyone who spends an extended amount of time with them doesn't know they're together. Even beyond that, that whole expanded youtube insider scene all know about/have probably seen voldy and probably have more reason to be suspicious than even we as an audience do.

good post , and I agree with not outing your friends (or anyone else really). I know people who do because they think "It's normal now, so" but they're mostly very young people with not a lot of experience.

Also I think as a viewer it's easy to underestimate how not really important or interesting being together romantically is to most people, friends, colleagues. At least I would want to know a little bit if they're close friends and want to tell me (or if I'm interested in dating one of them haha) but other than that... relationships are so personal and weird anyway. Friendships or otherwise. It really is between those two people how that relationship is? I'm not sure I'm making sense, you're all way more articulate in English than I am haha.

Quick question - has anybody (else) been in a relationship they've kept quiet, for whatever reason?

Yes. But only in a same-sex relationship. To friends and family as well. Not really out of... fear (although sometimes yes), but also 'it's really not anyone's business'-type of feeling. If you're really close it doesn't always matter anyway. My family and friends viewed us as sort of a couple because of that anyway. And what you do/don't do together doesnt always matter then?

[Anonymousse]

Quick question - has anybody (else) been in a relationship they've kept quiet, for whatever reason?

Yes

I love this tea

It's coffee.

(and yes I changed my branding)

[Winston]

I was in a 2.5 year relationship with a guy. He was 46 and I was 20. Only my roommate and one good friend knew of him at the time. Now only a small handful know he even existed.

[eevee]

I love this tea

It's coffee.

(and yes I changed my branding)

[Anonymousse]

I love this tea

It's coffee.

(and yes I changed my branding)

Comes from there

[eevee]

Comes from there

Oh okay gotcha. I just meant like gossip. haha.

[Anonymousse]

Oh okay gotcha. I just meant like gossip. haha.

Ah crap, sorry, my understanding of English is as stable as my mood .

Anyways, back on topic - what is the topic again?

Does any1 here (besides myself) think that the open relationship thing can possibly be real with Phan? (don't kill me I'm already dead inside)

[coffee pig]

Has anyone ever outright denied phan other than Dan's ridiculous 2012 phase?

first one that came to mind but its kinda old

I have to admit that Bryarly comes across like a fangirl here that is so blinded by her crush on Dan that she doesn't want to think about Phan being real because it would ruin the fantasy. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she isn't even friends with them so I don't know why she thinks that she would know their relationship status.

As for other people...Louise has denied Phan being real on her Tumblr account and Pewdiepie has in a video as well, though it was before he had met Dan and Phil in person.

I have rebranded as well Anonymousse

[grannypants]

fml i go on holiday for five days and miss all the action
that vine: amazing. i live for real-life character development and so far, 2016 has been the year where dan no longer gives a fuck
also i found this on tumblr and it made me giggle http://peaceloveandphan.tumblr.com/post ... dan-howell

[eevee]

Oh okay gotcha. I just meant like gossip. haha.

Ah crap, sorry, my understanding of English is as stable as my mood .

Anyways, back on topic - what is the topic again?

Does any1 here (besides myself) think that the open relationship thing can possibly be real with Phan? (don't kill me I'm already dead inside)

I don't think D&P would be in an open relationship tbh. They just seem too into each other for that. And they don't seem super progressive, but then again they don't seem conservative either, they've mentioned nothing about politics really.

that vine: amazing. i live for real-life character development and so far, 2016 has been the year where dan no longer gives a fuck

Love that cute lil tumblr poem! Also, I agree, 2016-Dan is much much better than 2012 Dan, astronomically so, infinitely so, and I never thought we'd get here from 2012, never. I always thought Dan would be super angry anti-phan forever but he's seemed to have loosened up so much and he just seems happier now? Like he doesn't let things bother him anymore and I love it. I'm so happy for him.

[lonely trash]

Has anyone ever outright denied phan other than Dan's ridiculous 2012 phase?

first one that came to mind but its kinda old

Is there some kind of context for that last bit? Because I find it really odd that she just said that out of the blue. Like, unless someone asked about it, what's the point in saying that? I agree that she probably had a crush on him, maybe she was trying to make a relationship with him seem more plausible, idk. Just a bit odd.

[Catallena]

On a related note: does anyone actually know anyone for real that made up ''being bisexual for attention'' in their younger years? Most of the scene kids that I knew back in the day that so-called ''made up being bisexual because it was trendy'' pretty much are all still bisexual, even though one or two of my friends ended up only dating/marrying the opposite sex. I suppose it must just seem that way to the outside world when they check a girl's Facebook status and see that she is married to a man now, so of course she must be straight.

I'm so surprised that you guys don't know people who faked being bi, because I know a few :O

I'm straight but was in the emo/goth/alternative/scene squad at school and at the time many people identified as bisexual. It was a cool thing to do, the idea was that being bisexual wasn't as 'boring' as being straight because everyone else at school was straight and they had to be diferent from those damn blonde bimbo girls and fake gangsta guys. How mature.

More than half of them don't anymore, most of them simply changed their mind. That's fine and normal, life experience changes how you view yourself. A good few of them used bi as a little step towards coming out as gay/lesbian in the end, others want back to the hetero label. But others really faked it, and admit to it now. I ran into a girl I used to be close with a few months ago and when we ended up talking for an hour or so, she said to me that she felt more 'interesting' identifying as bi and that she thought more guys would like her if they thought she'd be okay with a FFM threesome. Because all bi people are into threesomes apparently. Also these kids were age 13-16, it's still beyond me why they wanted threesomes in the first place. My boyfriend at the time also talked crap about how much of a shame it was that I wasn't bi, because sex with another girl would be hot. I really hope this strange group sex obsession was just as thing with the people at my school, and not anywhere else because yikes.

That girl feels kinda guilty now though, and knows that wasn't okay to do. But another girl a friend of mine keeps in contact with has no remorse whatsoever because 'everyone did it' and she feels like she didn't hurt anyone. Load of crap and ignorance obviously. In hindsight, I don't remember either of them ever expressing any attraction to other girls. They claimed they were bi and then usually got talked into kissing girls by some gross dudes (usually while drunk at parties), but I've never seen them express any genuine attraction.

Meanwhile have definitely actually expressed attraction. So I'm not buying the 'I grew out of it / I did it for attention' shit from them.

[NarrysCanary]

fml i go on holiday for five days and miss all the action
that vine: amazing. i live for real-life character development and so far, 2016 has been the year where dan no longer gives a fuck
also i found this on tumblr and it made me giggle http://peaceloveandphan.tumblr.com/post ... dan-howell

Didn't Phil say the same thing but instead of "stalking him until he loves" it was "Let's go fuck" years ago ?

[fancybum]

Does any1 here (besides myself) think that the open relationship thing can possibly be real with Phan? (don't kill me I'm already dead inside)

I don't think D&P would be in an open relationship tbh. They just seem too into each other for that. And they don't seem super progressive, but then again they don't seem conservative either, they've mentioned nothing about politics really.

Dan's mentioned things about politics (and there's a handy thread to peruse compiling all of their comments) and sounds pretty progressive to me. Although what progressiveness has to do with the likelihood of an open relationship (when we're talking a same-sex relationship to begin with) I don't quite get.

I would say no to them having an open relationship only because that seems like too much work for them (as well as the hints of jealousy from Dan) so I don't think they'd handle it well, or want to.

Meanwhile have definitely actually expressed attraction. So I'm not buying the 'I grew out of it / I did it for attention' shit from them.

Not to mention D&P were 18 and 22 respectively when they said it; not exactly in the same stage of life as a junior/high-school student.