(I recognize that even in your daily life there isn't necessarily one 'you')
Especially since now they've met loads of parents and small children. Now there's probably a lot more hesitancy of being looked up to. Like, we all know kids aren't fragile little beans who will die if there is some risky content, but when you're older and looking down at a small child you tend to forget that, and all the crap you did/knew/saw at that age and just see the innocent thing you want to keep an innocent thing. But it would be so nice if they could find a way to even out that balance a little more of who they are and what they show.karma_yeah wrote:I think you are. +1 for more "real" (whatever that is - I'm not sure we really know)Winston wrote:They both have personas. They both are much more interesting to me as themselves. Or what they allow us to see as themselves. YouNow, Radio, Gaming channel etc. Of course they are still in persona mode on these, but they are less so than when they are on the main channels. I want to see the Phil that wins Cards against humanity sometimes!That is what I mean by rebranding, remove the fake and instill the real, or at least realer Phil and Dan. I know this would never happen, but little glimpses now and then would be great. It does seem to be happening in some places, but then in others it is almost exaggerated persona. I am looking at the Obama Llama vid as an example. I see real persona, but then over persona in both of them. I really like both of them as people, from what I can see of them and I think if they would show that side more they would be more relevant than they are currently. To new people I could see the over "acting" as off putting. I don't know if I am getting my point across the way I want. I have too many distractions right now to really express myself properly.
together or separately.
Sometimes I wonder (project) if they are afraid hesitant to change their branding, bump up their target age group, be more themselves etc. After all, look at all that doing what they've been doing has brought them. It might feel quite risky (as opposed to risque - pun, sort of) to change the formula. And there may be others (i.e. management) who are somewhat financially dependent on them, who might exert some pressure for "staying the course".
Is Phil still on that movie making site thing? Maybe that will yield some new/unique/phil content.hiddenwombat wrote:
also, speaking of how phil never talks about his linguistic degree, at one minute in he holds up a massive film theory textbook. jeez, besides the fact that the both of them loveee Quentin Tarantino, when do we ever get in-depth movie talk from him? and he also holds up a script! i would love to find out what phil is truly capable of. he's been making films since he was a child so it surprises me that he hasn't tried to do anything bigger like PJ does with his videos (forever train/oscars hotel etc)
Yes!! Holiday and day off. They should go to a memorial day parade. Those things are so American But seriously, Phil's last video was what two weeks ago? I think he's due for another. Gaming too, maybe that agar.io D v P they claim will exist.hiddenwombat wrote: Finally, ::sing song:: tomorrow is a no-show day and a holiday both here and in the UK will we possibly maybe get a lil ls from our sojourners from the land of 10,000 lakes (and ten billion mosquitos)? Phil. Phil. Don’t even think about it…delete that insect tweet right.now. backspace.backspace.backspace.thank.you.
1st Timekarma_yeah wrote:Does anyone know about how many subscribers each had when voldy leaked the first and 2nd times?
Oh this is great info! Do you happen to know how many they had when it was posted/made, too?spider wrote:1st Timekarma_yeah wrote:Does anyone know about how many subscribers each had when voldy leaked the first and 2nd times?
Dan-between 50K and 100K
Phil-between 150K and 200K
2nd Time
Dan-500K
Phil-300k
There's a timeline I made of subscriber milestones. If anyone wants it to be posted I could put it in the Compilations section.
I don't think it is a king sized bed, even. You can look up the hotel (not hard, but won't name it sice the OP didn't want to) & there's joint rooms with queen sized beds where the bathroom matches perfectly the one that Dan filmed in, whereas the single with the king sized bed has a bathroom with slightly different tiles. (What? I get bored & I'm running out of reasons not to study.bedhead91 wrote:I was just wondering, has anyone on Twitter been bothering about the king-sized bed thing? I just checked the comment section of Dan's video again, and no one seemed to bring it up. I'm sincerely hoping that people won't make a deal out of it but I think that's too optimistic. I'd check it myself but I can only handle so much second-hand embarrassment without wanting to explode.
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Oh no I think I know what you mean!yupitsme wrote:In that pic they both have kinda removed their fringe; I wonder if they like this difference between 'real life hair' and 'persona hair' because it gives them some sense of security? As in, right now I am filming, I have my fringe and I will act like this and this. It is in some way a fence between their 'real' self and their adapted, public self.
Maybe I am looking too much into it and they're just being lazy, but I think personally I would struggle with my identity if I were a popular YouTuber. Having this feeling that you can change into your YouTuber persona might make it easier to differentiate between the two ''you's''..(I recognize that even in your daily life there isn't necessarily one 'you')
Way too realcora808 wrote:I think it's hilarious that's we're all like CONTENT OMFG WE NEED CONTENT DYING OF THIRST. DESERT. SAHARA. HALP.
and then Dan posts a video and we discuss it for like a page and a half and then quickly move on to discussing Phil's persona for 10 pages.
It's funny because I think that pretty much always happens, the new content gets a page or two and then we are back on a new topic.cora808 wrote:I think it's hilarious that's we're all like CONTENT OMFG WE NEED CONTENT DYING OF THIRST. DESERT. SAHARA. HALP.
and then Dan posts a video and we discuss it for like a page and a half and then quickly move on to discussing Phil's persona for 10 pages.
Honestly, it never crossed my mind that people could see Phil as potentially being ''creepy,'' so that was an eye-opener. I can't believe that post has 34,000 notes. 
IckleMissMayhem wrote: "Sleep now little trashcans,
Dream of content new,
Tomorrow is a no-show day,
And 'bants is here for you...
Liveshows streamed from motels,
on fine form,
Good wifi means no awful lag,
Pheels all fuzzy and warm.
'Bants is here for you,
We are here for us
Goodnight best friends!"
Yup, sickening I know, but I don't care!!
I get the sense that, at the very least, the fringes help them get into character. Part of the fringeless appeal is that it feels like a glimpse of who they are behind all the screaming and houseplants and bants. Phil, especially, looks very different without his fringe. But only they decide if and when to remove it and play with that line between their public selves and the parts that don't get exposed as much in their work.yupitsme wrote:In that pic they both have kinda removed their fringe; I wonder if they like this difference between 'real life hair' and 'persona hair' because it gives them some sense of security? As in, right now I am filming, I have my fringe and I will act like this and this. It is in some way a fence between their 'real' self and their adapted, public self.
This was a great post I think Phil is really capable of changing his video formatting and that's the change I want to see. Instead of just doing vlogs I want to see more of the little movies, and the music videos like "Check Yes, Juliet" and "Toxic" which he is really good at. Even looking at his videos he made as a child, it's clear he has the ability to direct something pretty great. He can still have his lighthearted persona but instead integrate different genres and video styles to his channel. Of course it all comes down to him and how much he is willing to change about his channel and how much time and effort he wants to put in to create something that's different. If he does choose to change his style it will most likely be after the tour when he as more time/resources. I still think no matter what direction Phil goes he will always attract a very niche audience who just adores him for being who he is.Catallena wrote:lmao I caught up on the thread and went to post a reply, but then the website died.
So anyway. Among others, my comment about Phil needing a rebranding sparked a discussion I didn't intend to start. Sorry for disappearing after that and during most of the discussion, but I'd just like to clarify a few things~
First things first I'm the realest, I do not hate Phil's current content (his solo content makes me very happy anyway, his collabs not as much) and I don't really think of Phil as a man child. It's definitely not that I want Phil to change completely into a boring and serious adult who makes deep content. I want him to keep making lighthearted and fun content. But there are many other ways for adults to enjoy cute and 'childish' things and look at the world with a more positive attitude than what he's currently doing. Phil doesn't need a complete rebrand, but with slight changes he could speak to both the audience he has now and an older one. Lemme explain (prepare for long post as always)
Actually this got so long I'm putting it under a spoiler. I have a problem.
Me and my dumbass long walls of texts. Kill me.
I think the problem is that the actual content we typically feed off of from them are live shows. That's the real drought - we've had one in almost two months.cora808 wrote:I think it's hilarious that's we're all like CONTENT OMFG WE NEED CONTENT DYING OF THIRST. DESERT. SAHARA. HALP.
and then Dan posts a video and we discuss it for like a page and a half and then quickly move on to discussing Phil's persona for 10 pages.
Quoting all of this because I basically agree with you start to finish, I can't even pluck one single quote out to agree with most. I am 31 and I look at Phil, both the on-screen persona and the indicators of who he is off-screen, and neither reads to me as childish.000dia000 wrote:I have the feeling that some people take themselves too seriously if they consider Phil's content as being targeted towards children. There's a large difference between maturity and mature content and many people don't understand that refusal to use swearing does not equal immaturity or innocence that they project onto Phil. I was watching the video he did with Casper Lee and there were a number of comments from people who were shocked to see a bottle of Jack Daniels on his dresser and calling him out on it. I do not feel that it is Phil who has immortalized himself as Peter Pan but rather a number of fans who can't grasp that Phil is a complex human and while seemingly a genuinely nice person is more than a cinnamon bun or smol bean
I agree with some of this, but tbh I don't think the people that state his content is for children are the same people calling him smol bean and getting confused when they see he drinks alcohol lol. Not sure if this is what you meant though?000dia000 wrote:I have the feeling that some people take themselves too seriously if they consider Phil's content as being targeted towards children. There's a large difference between maturity and mature content and many people don't understand that refusal to use swearing does not equal immaturity or innocence that they project onto Phil. I was watching the video he did with Casper Lee and there were a number of comments from people who were shocked to see a bottle of Jack Daniels on his dresser and calling him out on it. I do not feel that it is Phil who has immortalized himself as Peter Pan but rather a number of fans who can't grasp that Phil is a complex human and while seemingly a genuinely nice person is more than a cinnamon bun or smol bean
echoing this! i, too, like phil as a person and a content creator, i just personally would like to see him go beyond his current stuff. it's just personal preference for me bc who he seems to be "irl" is intriguing.Catallena wrote:
First things first I'm the realest, I do not hate Phil's current content (his solo content makes me very happy anyway, his collabs not as much) and I don't really think of Phil as a man child. It's definitely not that I want Phil to change completely into a boring and serious adult who makes deep content. I want him to keep making lighthearted and fun content.
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Bringing that back to YouTube videos and Phil, people want more lighthearted and positive content in the style of what Phil creates but would like a little more realism and a bit more personality with that. And imo he really should really try, comfort zones be damned. He doesn't need to be dishing out opinions on everything or become an open book who shares everything (that would just get annoying tbh) but showing a little more of himself for an audience to relate to would really benefit him and his videos. Show us that he's a real person; an adult with life experience who has been through both failure and success
That was the exact opposite of what I was saying, though. :[ I knew putting "Phan" and "shipbait/queerbait" in the same paragraph was gonna be a bad idea.newslang wrote:I'm a bit confused by what you mean, crash. Personally, I find it irritating when people claim that they are queerbaiting/shipbaiting if they show any kind of affection towards each other. They aren't robots. People talk about them wanting to be more themselves, but if they do something like being affectionate or make jokes about their ship (I'm sure we have all had a friend we have joked about marrying) it is suddenly ''fanservice'' and ''queerbaiting.'' It would be more unnatural if they ignored the elephant in the room.
I don't think teasing, in the way D&P do it, is malicious. I think the way they do it is more 4thelulz and just to poke fun at people. It only becomes underhanded when the teasing turns into bait that just leads on the viewers into thinking their ship is real, when it isn't.crash[] wrote:Two, it made me reflect a bit on the "Phan" thing, like how sometimes D&P make ship teasing comments and how it's done mostly for a reaction, as opposed to baiting?
8 feb 2010spider wrote:Dan-between 10K-50Kphamnotof wrote:Oh this is great info! Do you happen to know how many they had when it was posted/made, too?
Phil-almost 100K
this gives me SERIOUS feelings about Dan's feelings about Phil, sadly though Phil didn't deliver as wellcrash[] wrote:This isn't about anything that people are talking about, I just wanted to post this image that's been floating around on Twitter.
If anyone can't read this, it says:
Favorite YouTuber? (besides yourself)
Dan: Phil? jk Community Channel
Phil: PewDiePie!
I'm gonna go all Dan Howell defence squad here. I'm also gonna pre-empt this by saying that I love Phil but your post was very negative towards dan and very towards Phil so my response will be the inverse of that.danphil333 wrote: one of the reasons i almost "admire" phil is that i never felt like he is taking advantage of his situation-fanbase and even dans popularity. And what i love even more is that he wins peoples appreciation and respect without begging for it.
And thats exactly what i hate about dan and his persona. He is literally begging for people to validate him, to feel sorry for him and pity him. When he calls himself ugly i feel that he is only fishing for compliments. He says his video are crap so that people can baby him even more and praise him Self deprecation is part of his brand (and yes part of his personality and the real dan howell and his issues) but it stopped being funny ages ago. Everyone says that dan knows the phandom more than anyone. He knows that the moment he reblogs or tweets sth a bit "sad" the phandom will have a breakdown on his behalf and start the "DH appreciation posts" and "look how far he's come gorgeous baby love you"
I dislike those kind of attention seeking people in general especially when they have a phandom on their feet and they use it in that way. I feel like he is using them, thats what i hate
At the same time he always wants to be the one in charge. He brings people down(even phil) so that he can be seen as the smarter/ better one. And i dont mean it in the "you are so mean to phil" way. Its the subtle things he does And i know its part of his brand and how things works but it seems like its more that just a brand/persona. its him that has a problem . He interrupts everyone but the moment someone interrupts him you can see it in his face how much he hates it. He can joke and make fun of others but noone else can make fun of him because mr daniel cant take it. (i dont want to look like the phil defense squad, it has nothing to do with phil)
Phil doesnt seem to have a problem with being the "sidekick" or the "hot one and his friend" and thats admirable. IMO things would never work out if dan was the one with less subs(still) , the less "successful" or the least pretty one. He couldnt handle it.
