Dan & Phil Part 14: Is This Tour Over Yet?

[fancybum]

Can't wait till Dan realizes Phil just dragged him down and that he shouldn't have dropped out of law school.

Phil gave up his lifelong dream of being a weatherman once Dan got his claws into him. I think they both struggle with inner pain at the dreams they gave up. Painful pain.

[alittledizzy]

Can't wait till Dan realizes Phil just dragged him down and that he shouldn't have dropped out of law school.

Phil gave up his lifelong dream of being a weatherman once Dan got his claws into him. I think they both struggle with inner pain at the dreams they gave up. Painful pain.

It's tragic, really. They both could have had it all...

And now they're stuck in this dull life of world travel, constant adoration, and millionaire lifestyles. I feel so bad for them.

[Ticia]

There have been truly interesting thoughts here what I meant in first place was not to criticize their upload schedule per se* but their interactions with fans and the Youtube community as a whole, and this is why I mentioned Markiplier: he gives the impression of sincerely caring about his fans (frequent videos reading their comments, endless Omegle to greet as many people as possible, active work with charities, etc.). Jacksepticeye or even Pewdiepie, gamers as well and way larger audiences than DP, do basically the same.

And then there's DP, who ironically enough are vloggers, not gamers, but seem to create this unapproachable-ness aura when in fact their past, present and future professional success majorly depends on connecting with their audience. Like some of you already mentioned, their almost obsessive control of their public image are going to be the death of them. Them being appreciative of the phandom art is nice to say the least, and I'm not suggesting that they open again their fan mailbox (because they would need another flat for the gifts they'd receive), just...learn a thing or two from fellow Youtubers

* Because that's the way they are and their tour schedule is insane.

Can't wait till Dan realizes Phil just dragged him down and that he shouldn't have dropped out of law school.

Phil gave up his lifelong dream of being a weatherman once Dan got his claws into him. I think they both struggle with inner pain at the dreams they gave up. Painful pain.

It's tragic, really. They both could have had it all...

And now they're stuck in this dull life of world travel, constant adoration, and millionaire lifestyles. I feel so bad for them.

Geez, put some trigger warning, can you?

[lilMango]

Why are you guys trying to hold them to some kind of scheduling standard they don't appear to have any interest in?

Because it's cathartic to us, lol. I'm not actually trying to hold them to a scheduling standard, I'm just pointing out that they don't meet the schedule standards set by other. They are self employed, sure, but they aren't the only people who do the job that they do. We have a basis for comparison. And even self-employed people usually stop making money if they stop delivering the goods or service that they support themselves through offering.

I mean, obviously Dan and Phil aren't hurting for views, audience engagement, or money. But I still think it's okay for fans who are frustrated with their inactivity to vent it out and commiserate with other like-minded fans.

This this this. They are in competition with their fellow youtubers, and if they don't set a certain standard, they'll fall behind and lose subscribers/views/etc. ...
Although, I would rather have their current stream of content than an everyday video with dead, hollow eyes and obvious signs of depression "I really don't want to be doing this, help me."

[Catallena]

It's been a very long time since Dan bothered promising regular (weekly even for awhile there) uploads.

For DINOF yeah, but DAPG...

(i literally have this bookmarked lmao i'm such a sad creature but if i happen to die before they do i'm becoming a ghost just to haunt them with this)

I've finally got it through my head that they're on tour and videos are not the priority.

It isn't really the tour though is it? That's mostly just the newest excuse on a long list of ones they've used over the years. Radio, Brit Awards, BBCR1 Teen Awards, Festivals like Big Weekend and Reading, YouTube events and conventions, Nicer Internet, Dan's gaming documentary. That's everything I come up with on the top of my head. There's always something that has more priority. Honestly, they can't plan for shit. And they know, but don't seem to care.

Last year Dan admitted they had taken on too much. This was even before they announced the book I think (though they obviously had started writing it), but they had Nicer Internet, Brits and Playlist all crammed into one month. DAPG wasn't even six months old yet and although it was supposed to kind of a replacement for their lost on air radio hours, it had already been abandoned. They had been so good with it those first few months though (33 videos in four months!) so I really believed they'd come back to it. I was just like 'oh they're just busy now it's fine, when this month is over they'll focus on the gaming channel again' but instead they announced the book and tour. And I don't believe they didn't know about the book/tour when they launched DAPG, they must've had plans for it at the very least. Yet neither looked at their planning of all these things at the same time and realized that not only would their sanity suffer, so would all their content.

It's really not the schedule. It's the combination of poor planning and very minimal effort that's getting annoying and blatantly obvious. They rely on their audience a lot to keep things going, but they can't do that forever. They're gonna need to put some effort into things again soon enough. But I have a feeling that when all this touring is over, there's just gonna be another thing holding them from making videos. There always is

[tilltomorrow]

I know that the "potential big change" was discussed a few threads back but I think it's pretty relevant here. One thing that always stood out to me was in the last (?) ISG where Dan was discussing the "dan is not on fire" thing he mentioned that one day he was gonna change his channel name and to be ready for it.

It might not have meant nothing but then within these discussions I can't help but think like that might be one of those changes, essentially saying goodbye to "danisnotonfire" and that persona and maybe making a shift on his channel.

But I feel like that wouldn't be done until TATINOF is over for good and if they do go on a EU tour, that would probably go into next year by which time I feel like the issues everyone is bringing up may start catching up with them..

[NarrysCanary]

I've finally got it through my head that they're on tour and videos are not the priority.

It isn't really the tour though is it? That's mostly just the newest excuse on a long list of ones they've used over the years. Radio, Brit Awards, BBCR1 Teen Awards, Festivals like Big Weekend and Reading, YouTube events and conventions, Nicer Internet, Dan's gaming documentary. That's everything I come up with on the top of my head. There's always something that has more priority. Honestly, they can't plan for shit. And they know, but don't seem to care.

Last year Dan admitted they had taken on too much. This was even before they announced the book I think (though they obviously had started writing it), but they had Nicer Internet, Brits and Playlist all crammed into one month. DAPG wasn't even six months old yet and although it was supposed to kind of a replacement for their lost on air radio hours, it had already been abandoned. They had been so good with it those first few months though (33 videos in four months!) so I really believed they'd come back to it. I was just like 'oh they're just busy now it's fine, when this month is over they'll focus on the gaming channel again' but instead they announced the book and tour. And I don't believe they didn't know about the book/tour when they launched DAPG, they must've had plans for it at the very least. Yet neither looked at their planning of all these things at the same time and realized that not only would their sanity suffer, so would all their content.

It's really not the schedule. It's the combination of poor planning and very minimal effort that's getting annoying and blatantly obvious. They rely on their audience a lot to keep things going, but they can't do that forever. They're gonna need to put some effort into things again soon enough. But I have a feeling that when all this touring is over, there's just gonna be another thing holding them from making videos. There always is

If you listen carefully you can hear me clapping in the distance

[Stakhanov]

sure aren't making it easy to keep living vicariously through them. I thought something happened when i read about 'drama' and them being upset and sad. Untill i saw the source tweet Namaste, angsty Dan. What happened to mother duck basking in the sunlight?

It's a bit of a sad state of affairs if you're mainly into Dan and Phil for their youtube content. As said before though, what can we really expect. We're talking about people who are self proclaimed procrastinators and cherish that they're slightly dysfunctional and socially awkward. Not exactly the type that would go on 8 hour connect-with-your-audience omegle binges or maintain strict upload schedules. And i do love them for it.
Every time i read about their lackluster planning i feel like doing a malibu shot. Because i know it's not gonna change soon. They want to broaden their skillset as entertainers. Prove that they can do other things outside youtube and keep their career options as wide open as they can.
And i bet these tours are way more lucrative than just tending to their channels. It would be interesting to see if they still grow faster (or slower...) than youtube as a whole does. They've reached that critical size that growth just happens automatically even if they just very occasionally put up a (filler) vid.
So I hope they've been to Kansas yet because when they see that dust bowl it might remind them of the current state of their channels.
Even though i sound very negative here, that's not really how i feel about it. I have to say i admire their talent to keep us all enthralled with minimal effort
Also, i'm not to knowledgeable on the matter but imo they really do work very hard atm. Lots of things happen behind the screens that require work. A show every other day or so is nothing to scoff at. It's much more than just the performance, which by itself is pretty taxing. Should they outsource things like the editing of video's and maybe get someone behind the camera? Maybe so, but i think they consider it a matter of personal pride to do these things themselves.
They're the hardest working lazy bastards i know

@jezz Moon Shaped Pool ey? I gave it a shot but switched to The Bends to feel properly sad

[SquishPhan]

sure aren't making it easy to keep living vicariously through them. I thought something happened when i read about 'drama' and them being upset and sad. Untill i saw the source tweet Namaste, angsty Dan. What happened to mother duck basking in the sunlight?

It's a bit of a sad state of affairs if you're mainly into Dan and Phil for their youtube content. As said before though, what can we really expect. We're talking about people who are self proclaimed procrastinators and cherish that they're slightly dysfunctional and socially awkward. Not exactly the type that would go on 8 hour connect-with-your-audience omegle binges or maintain strict upload schedules. And i do love them for it.
Every time i read about their lackluster planning i feel like doing a malibu shot. Because i know it's not gonna change soon. They want to broaden their skillset as entertainers. Prove that they can do other things outside youtube and keep their career options as wide open as they can.
And i bet these tours are way more lucrative than just tending to their channels. It would be interesting to see if they still grow faster (or slower...) than youtube as a whole does. They've reached that critical size that growth just happens automatically even if they just very occasionally put up a (filler) vid.
So I hope they've been to Kansas yet because when they see that dust bowl it might remind them of the current state of their channels.
Even though i sound very negative here, that's not really how i feel about it. I have to say i admire their talent to keep us all enthralled with minimal effort
Also, i'm not to knowledgeable on the matter but imo they really do work very hard atm. Lots of things happen behind the screens that require work. A show every other day or so is nothing to scoff at. It's much more than just the performance, which by itself is pretty taxing. Should they outsource things like the editing of video's and maybe get someone behind the camera? Maybe so, but i think they consider it a matter of personal pride to do these things themselves.
They're the hardest working lazy bastards i know

@jezz Moon Shaped Pool ey? I gave it a shot but switched to The Bends to feel properly sad

Totally agree with you.
Especially about them being the hardest working lazy bastards. That fits them really well.

[coffee pig]

I'm going to start playing a drinking game where I take a shot every time a bingo board topic is brought up again. I have to take two shots if I bring up a bingo board topic myself. Anyone in?

[alittledizzy]

I'm going to start playing a drinking game where I take a shot every time a bingo board topic is brought up again. I have to take two shots if I bring up a bingo board topic myself. Anyone in?

The bingo board joke is usually meant to indicate that the board is rehashing old topics but at this point I'm gonna go ahead and say direct your future liver failure related hospital bills to Dan and Phil themselves, because they're the ones keeping the game going just by sheer lack of giving us anything new to talk about.

[violet-writer]

I'm annoyed with the drought- but very interested in this topic of conversation. I watch a lot of YouTube (casually) and am incredibly critical of YouTubers. This is a very positive forum, and I appreciate the discussion, as I do not always see them in the most positive light.

DINOF and AP is what sucked me in, but Dan and Phil the people behind the carefully constructed images is what made me stay- the ambiguity of their relationship and their muddy pasts, the little moments we get to see (DITL, liveshows, side channel vids,..)- those are my reasons for staying, despite how annoyed I get with .

The phandom is also incredibly interesting, and I have made friends through it for which I am grateful. But Gd, how lucky they both are for the phandom. I like to think DnP are special, and destined for fame and all that has come to them, but its just as likely that two cute boys who filmed silly videos at the right time, were able to find a following. The phandom is much more forgiving than I am however, with a lot.

I listed my reasons for staying. There is something else, something I can't quite put my finger on with the two of them. It's weird and I don't like it, but I think I'm going to stick with them. Despite my grievances- Oh, almost forgot about those.

They have no excuse for their shitty update schedule. I don't understand why they do the bare minimum, always. Editing may take a few hours, but I'm so used to regular quality content that their channels are almost laughable to me. It's also bothersome, because I stress for them. Which is stupid, but I do. WHY DON'T THEY MILK THE YT FAME? They should make as many videos as possible, because despite their weird magnetism, things change, and the future may hold something they aren't ready for. They need to update often (for me and them), make bank, buy a house- because renting in London is ridiculous, and unclench because their boxes they constrain themselves to, do more harm than good.

annnnd, rant over, i am ashamed. (also i wrote this on an HOUR of sleep lord help me)

[jess]

@jezz Moon Shaped Pool ey? I gave it a shot but switched to The Bends to feel properly sad

[offtopic]AMSP is a fucking heartbreaking album, but The Bends is always & still my #1/go to catharsis album (it has actually been on repeat in my car for a few days now after ignoring it for a while! ). [/offtopic]

Daniel just seems to not really be that into Bends era RH (or at least I've never really heard him mention the greatest album ever - per Jess ) &, let's be real, I'm still salty that the fucker hadn't listened to AMSP as of the joint live show.

I'm only sad about the lack of live shows (sorry, joint live shows don't fucking count in my books). The lack of videos doesn't really bother me, though I'd completely take an Undertale or agar.io if you have one to offer, .

So much aggressive fucking language today, Jessica.

[LurkingTrash]

I'm annoyed with the drought- but very interested in this topic of conversation. I watch a lot of YouTube (casually) and am incredibly critical of YouTubers. This is a very positive forum, and I appreciate the discussion, as I do not always see them in the most positive light.

DINOF and AP is what sucked me in, but Dan and Phil the people behind the carefully constructed images is what made me stay- the ambiguity of their relationship and their muddy pasts, the little moments we get to see (DITL, liveshows, side channel vids,..)- those are my reasons for staying, despite how annoyed I get with .

The phandom is also incredibly interesting, and I have made friends through it for which I am grateful. But Gd, how lucky they both are for the phandom. I like to think DnP are special, and destined for fame and all that has come to them, but its just as likely that two cute boys who filmed silly videos at the right time, were able to find a following. The phandom is much more forgiving than I am however, with a lot.

I listed my reasons for staying. There is something else, something I can't quite put my finger on with the two of them. It's weird and I don't like it, but I think I'm going to stick with them. Despite my grievances- Oh, almost forgot about those.

They have no excuse for their shitty update schedule. I don't understand why they do the bare minimum, always. Editing may take a few hours, but I'm so used to regular quality content that their channels are almost laughable to me. It's also bothersome, because I stress for them. Which is stupid, but I do. WHY DON'T THEY MILK THE YT FAME? They should make as many videos as possible, because despite their weird magnetism, things change, and the future may hold something they aren't ready for. They need to update often (for me and them), make bank, buy a house- because renting in London is ridiculous, and unclench because their boxes they constrain themselves to, do more harm than good.

annnnd, rant over, i am ashamed. (also i wrote this on an HOUR of sleep lord help me)

I share a lot of these feelings with you, there's something about them that makes me feel sure that I'll stick around, not because of their shitty schedule, tho.
also I kinda wanted to reply just to tell you that that's a nice picture

[fancybum]

It's been a very long time since Dan bothered promising regular (weekly even for awhile there) uploads.

For DINOF yeah, but DAPG...

.[/

Sept 2014.
Based on the last two years, I think we can bury the sentiment of that tweet because that's not happening (at least not right now, if he reasserts that intention after the tour, then we'll talk but lbr).

It isn't really the tour though is it? That's mostly just the newest excuse on a long list of ones they've used over the years. Radio, Brit Awards, BBCR1 Teen Awards, Festivals like Big Weekend and Reading, YouTube events and conventions, Nicer Internet, Dan's gaming documentary. That's everything I come up with on the top of my head. There's always something that has more priority. Honestly, they can't plan for shit. And they know, but don't seem to care.

Last year Dan admitted they had taken on too much. This was even before they announced the book I think (though they obviously had started writing it), but they had Nicer Internet, Brits and Playlist all crammed into one month. DAPG wasn't even six months old yet and although it was supposed to kind of a replacement for their lost on air radio hours, it had already been abandoned. They had been so good with it those first few months though (33 videos in four months!) so I really believed they'd come back to it. I was just like 'oh they're just busy now it's fine, when this month is over they'll focus on the gaming channel again' but instead they announced the book and tour. And I don't believe they didn't know about the book/tour when they launched DAPG, they must've had plans for it at the very least. Yet neither looked at their planning of all these things at the same time and realized that not only would their sanity suffer, so would all their content.

Exactly. They don't care about consistent uploading; they always find other things that take priority because (I assume) they get more out of them personally/creatively/financially/misc. This just comes back to whatever I said earlier: we're expecting things from them they haven't promised and that way madness lies. Jacksepticeye uploads twice a day every day, so D&P should put in more effort? There's no connection between those two thoughts. Jack makes it a priority to stick to his self-imposed schedule, D&P do not. Fin.

It's really not the schedule. It's the combination of poor planning and very minimal effort that's getting annoying and blatantly obvious. They rely on their audience a lot to keep things going, but they can't do that forever. They're gonna need to put some effort into things again soon enough. But I have a feeling that when all this touring is over, there's just gonna be another thing holding them from making videos. There always is

Minimal effort in terms of better preparing (by our standards, not theirs) before the tour, sure. Minimal effort now is not even worth discussing because they're in the middle of a tour. If they didn't start strong content-wise, they're certainly not going to finish strong, so how about tempering expectations until they're back in the UK. It's just a little maddening to see the exact same complaints over and over for two months straight when obviously nothing will change until after tour is done. I'm disappointed they haven't been tweeting much/using their second channels at all too, but after a certain point it's like 'ok well I guess it's just not happening, bummer, moving on': it's the constant echoing negativity about it that's getting to me. It's screaming at a brick wall. They're almost done, there will be plenty to complain about when they're disappointing later. But they've been the same kind of disappointing since April, you know? Like, we get it. How is it still a surprise?

They have no excuse for their shitty update schedule. I don't understand why they do the bare minimum, always. Editing may take a few hours, but I'm so used to regular quality content that their channels are almost laughable to me. It's also bothersome, because I stress for them. Which is stupid, but I do. WHY DON'T THEY MILK THE YT FAME? They should make as many videos as possible, because despite their weird magnetism, things change, and the future may hold something they aren't ready for. They need to update often (for me and them), make bank, buy a house- because renting in London is ridiculous, and unclench because their boxes they constrain themselves to, do more harm than good.

See this is where I guess I differ from others: I don't think they need an excuse (and if they DO, they've had quite a legitimate one for the duration of this godforsaken tour). Has Phil ever been apologetic about his sparse uploading? Recently, has Dan? They both usually go with 'oh it's been awhile, better make a video," if even that. They're not setting themselves up to need to offer any excuses, they just do their own thing.

If they don't want to upload/can't be bothered/have no time or inspiration, then---?? They have other revenue sources and Dan himself has said on a few occasions that YT can be unpredictable and he knows the rug could be pulled out from him/YTers in general at any moment. Nobody needs to worry about relevance/income on their behalf because they more than anybody know what a shaky position this kind of career has them in. Hence making bank on the tour now (probably) and the behind-the-scenes manoeuvering we only have hints of so far (getting out of their networks and setting up their own shit, Phil's potential future plans with NewForm, BBC R1 y/n?, and who knows what else).

Dan in his last one said to keep watching his videos and he's not going anywhere, but 'not going anywhere' isn't analogous with 'Imma be uploading more than ever'. I truly don't believe YT is their biggest priority (nor has it been for quite awhile) and possibly not even their biggest source of income (or they're not planning for it to be going forward) so I'm excited to see what's in store for them after the tour (and no offense the rest of Europe, but I hope they get the 'European tour' over with in like less than two weeks because fuck touring ever again). At the very least we'll hopefully get our liveshows back and everybody can stfu. Including me.

Sorry if this is also just a pool of negativity and annoying repetition, but I'll go away now.

[SquishPhan]

Loved your whole post fancybum and agree with everything you said.

In my eyes youtube isn't their priority and hasn't been for a while. I can't blame them for that, because youtube is a weird and uncertain business. They can quickly lose their popularity or youtube can just decide to change things and there is nothing they can do about it. So I think it's smart that they are branching out and doing other things besides youtube.

[violet-writer]

They have no excuse for their shitty update schedule. I don't understand why they do the bare minimum, always. Editing may take a few hours, but I'm so used to regular quality content that their channels are almost laughable to me. It's also bothersome, because I stress for them. Which is stupid, but I do. WHY DON'T THEY MILK THE YT FAME? They should make as many videos as possible, because despite their weird magnetism, things change, and the future may hold something they aren't ready for. They need to update often (for me and them), make bank, buy a house- because renting in London is ridiculous, and unclench because their boxes they constrain themselves to, do more harm than good.

See this is where I guess I differ from others: I don't think they need an excuse (and if they DO, they've had quite a legitimate one for the duration of this godforsaken tour). Has Phil ever been apologetic about his sparse uploading? Recently, has Dan? They both usually go with 'oh it's been awhile, better make a video," if even that. They're not setting themselves up to need to offer any excuses, they just do their own thing.

If they don't want to upload/can't be bothered/have no time or inspiration, then---?? They have other revenue sources and Dan himself has said on a few occasions that YT can be unpredictable and he knows the rug could be pulled out from him/YTers in general at any moment. Nobody needs to worry about relevance/income on their behalf because they more than anybody know what a shaky position this kind of career has them in. Hence making bank on the tour now (probably) and the behind-the-scenes manoeuvering we only have hints of so far (getting out of their networks and setting up their own shit, Phil's potential future plans with NewForm, BBC R1 y/n?, and who knows what else).

Dan in his last one said to keep watching his videos and he's not going anywhere, but 'not going anywhere' isn't analogous with 'Imma be uploading more than ever'. I truly don't believe YT is their biggest priority (nor has it been for quite awhile) and possibly not even their biggest source of income (or they're not planning for it to be going forward) so I'm excited to see what's in store for them after the tour (and no offense the rest of Europe, but I hope they get the 'European tour' over with in like less than two weeks because fuck touring ever again). At the very least we'll hopefully get our liveshows back and everybody can stfu. Including me.

Sorry if this is also just a pool of negativity and annoying repetition, but I'll go away now.[/quote]

They don't need to have quality, consistent, uploads, but as a viewer, I would appreciate it. And like. It's literally their jobs?? It's not specific to , it's my general frustration with lazy YT'ers. On one hand, no YT'er owe me anything. On the other, its a damn charmed life. You get paid, like, a lot, to film 5 minutes on your own time. upload twice a month. That's it. Twice. I just find it very.. lazy. Especially pre-Tour, when they should have been stockpiling videos. And filming side channel clips doesnt even require heavy editing, but that task seems to daunting for them still.

I'm curious as to what you think they'll move on to after YT? Maybe BBC docs for Dan. A lot of YT people I've followed have tried to do other things and flopped miserably. But, those people didn't have the phandom backing them, so who knows what have in store.

I can't really picture Phil doing anything other than YT full-time (and he's my favoured of the two, I just can't see him doing lone work). I secretly want him to become a daily vlogger. The likelihood of that happening, though

soz if supes negative, this has always bugged me w them

[corn flakes]

I never saw them, especially dan, doing youtube still in 5/7 years: youtube success is so flebile, especially for their kind of content, and they will probably have more privacy in the future ( be with eachother or someone else). It makes sense that now they are investing their energy in other money making projects and in some behind the scenes stuff, if they play their cards right they may have a real shot in a career for their future. I'm not happy with that but I can't think that is not thinking in the long term, both of them are worriers and want to be in control so why risk with yt?

[Winston]

Loved your whole post fancybum and agree with everything you said.

In my eyes youtube isn't their priority and hasn't been for a while. I can't blame them for that, because youtube is a weird and uncertain business. They can quickly lose their popularity or youtube can just decide to change things and there is nothing they can do about it. So I think it's smart that they are branching out and doing other things besides youtube.

Ditto to the both of you!

[jaej]

all of their other projects right now are still very tightly connected to youtube. there cant be a second book or continued tour without youtube imo, and their bbc hiatus isn't promising - and a return definitely doesn't mean success, it could take a long time to get further, and they may hit their limit on national broadcast before we'd like, whether it's radio or tv. you can continue to up your game on youtube, but they'd need support from the bbc to grow there, that's the appeal of youtube. you can grow independently and create whatever you want without an evil corporation deciding whether or not it fits and deserves funding, that's up to the audience, luck, and any opportunities with advertisement that you push for yourself. youtube isn't certain or safe, but neither is a bbc deal or something similar.

i want dan to do more docs, but he himself said he wanted that to be totally solo, and will take ages. they don't really have a totally non youtube thing yet, and need to keep at it until they have something else secured. the tour isn't going to grow their audience more, and the lack of buzz won't be appealing to potential opportunities. they should branch out, but they shouldn't abandon their channels first, because the fanbase is generally more appealing than being able to sort of do interviews.

[fancybum]

I'm curious as to what you think they'll move on to after YT? Maybe BBC docs for Dan. A lot of YT people I've followed have tried to do other things and flopped miserably. But, those people didn't have the phandom backing them, so who knows what have in store.

I can't really picture Phil doing anything other than YT full-time (and he's my favoured of the two, I just can't see him doing lone work). I secretly want him to become a daily vlogger. The likelihood of that happening, though

soz if supes negative, this has always bugged me w them

I don't know! That's why I'm excited! I want to know what Phil's up to with New Form Digital because I can't really see him as an actor (sorry Phil), so is he going to write something? Has he already? Direct? It's wide open, I have no clue. And will they start something new with Radio 1 (weekly? monthly? more casual?)? Will Phil stop with the fringe? Will they move? Separately? Together? So many possibilities!
(edit: ooh, clarification: I don't think they'll totally ditch YT, but it'll continue to be background for them, is what I meant. They'll keep making videos here and there like they do now)

And hmmm. Is it that charmed of a life to have a bunch of sexually frustrated teenagers chase your younger sibling off of the internet in his formative years? To have every single word and action you've ever done in public analysed to death for the rest of time (even the most cringe-tastic teenage shit you'd prefer to forget), and have entire forums and blogs dedicated to discussing your potential sex life and sexual preferences? Putting up with neverending jokes about same (lol bottoms amirite, but it's ok because I'm being ironic). Like yeah they make money, but there's a bigger trade off for it than is being considered.

Frankly just typing that out kind of demonstrates (to me at least) why they may be hesitant to vlog or put much out right now because anything we get (and subsequently over-examine) could come back to them during a M&G, and they'd rather deal with the cringey shit that's already coming in without adding in potentially more awkward fodder for people with boundary issues:

("Phil, that picture you posted of part of your hotel room on Instagram had only one bed reflected in the window, but Dan, that tweet about the weird painting staring at you while you tried to sleep kind of sounds like it described the very one on Phil's wall. Does every room in that hotel have the same painting or did you both sleep in that one bed? Wait, let me double-check my notes, there was more--"
"....I have long arms haha.. ha. Selfie?")

Like they don't have the same amount of time as usual for lurking, so maybe they just decided to keep as much as they can private until the tour is done. DITL/bus tour(?) will be after it's all over and they can better control the narrative if that makes sense. I don't know, it just all seems like more than I could mentally deal with for any amount of money. But maybe I'm weak.

[akui]

Offtopic

I was rewatching Dan's Pokemon LP and I am so sad now. He was so passionate about the game and so engaging it was so fun to watch, his jokes doesn't feel forced or routined, he was genuinely enjoying the game. And at the end of that video he said he'd love to do more Pokemon related videos. Compare now that we might get a 25% genuine enjoyment out of the undertale on a good day.

What happened to them.

[coffee pig]

I'm curious as to what you think they'll move on to after YT? Maybe BBC docs for Dan. A lot of YT people I've followed have tried to do other things and flopped miserably. But, those people didn't have the phandom backing them, so who knows what have in store.

I can't really picture Phil doing anything other than YT full-time (and he's my favoured of the two, I just can't see him doing lone work). I secretly want him to become a daily vlogger. The likelihood of that happening, though

soz if supes negative, this has always bugged me w them

I don't know! That's why I'm excited! I want to know what Phil's up to with New Form Digital because I can't really see him as an actor (sorry Phil), so is he going to write something? Has he already? Direct? It's wide open, I have no clue. And will they start something new with Radio 1 (weekly? monthly? more casual?)? Will Phil stop with the fringe? Will they move? Separately? Together? So many possibilities!
(edit: ooh, clarification: I don't think they'll totally ditch YT, but it'll continue to be background for them, is what I meant. They'll keep making videos here and there like they do now)

And hmmm. Is it that charmed of a life to have a bunch of sexually frustrated teenagers chase your younger sibling off of the internet in his formative years? To have every single word and action you've ever done in public analysed to death for the rest of time (even the most cringe-tastic teenage shit you'd prefer to forget), and have entire forums and blogs dedicated to discussing your potential sex life and sexual preferences? Putting up with neverending jokes about same (lol bottoms amirite, but it's ok because I'm being ironic). Like yeah they make money, but there's a bigger trade off for it than is being considered.

Frankly just typing that out kind of demonstrates (to me at least) why they may be hesitant to vlog or put much out right now because anything we get (and subsequently over-examine) could come back to them during a M&G, and they'd rather deal with the cringey shit that's already coming in without adding in potentially more awkward fodder for people with boundary issues:

("Phil, that picture you posted of part of your hotel room on Instagram had only one bed reflected in the window, but Dan, that tweet about the weird painting staring at you while you tried to sleep kind of sounds like it described the very one on Phil's wall. Does every room in that hotel have the same painting or did you both sleep in that one bed? Wait, let me double-check my notes, there was more--"
"....I have long arms haha.. ha. Selfie?")

Like they don't have the same amount of time as usual for lurking, so maybe they just decided to keep as much as they can private until the tour is done. DITL/bus tour(?) will be after it's all over and they can better control the narrative if that makes sense. I don't know, it just all seems like more than I could mentally deal with for any amount of money. But maybe I'm weak.

They really need to stop being so obsessed with ''controlling the narrative'' tho. Imagine if we landed in an alternative universe where they suddenly became less uptight. Filmed vloggy stuff more often, took pictures with God forbid, their arms around each other, were touchy with each other in a casual friend way. What would happen? Death? Destruction? Everyone would freak out for a minute, and then after a while it would just become normal. Boring. If they could just unclench and take the stick out of their sphincters then the fans wouldn't be so hysterical. Look at how much we don't care when Dan talks about a guy being attractive now, for instance. At the beginning of last year it was a big deal, now when he talks about guys we're just like: ''We get it Dan, shut up about cute boys.''

[trashqueen]

jeez, people complaining about people complaining/discussing certain topics without suggesting other things to talk about is my personal pet peeve on this forum, can we not

what would you rather we talked about if not their lack of schedule/content when they are letting us know absolutely n o t h i n g?

i agree with jaej, youtube is the base of their career, they might have other opportunities now, but if they dropped youtube all together do you really think they will still get those? because they are so great at presenting/dj-ing? nah son

and maybe now they can afford letting their channels on a second place, because they are at the top of their career. on marketing terms, if we consider dan and phil a product then they are in the maturity stage of their life cycle, at the very beginning yeah, their popularity is still growing, but it doesn't compare to what was 2012-2013, the smart marketing thing to do in that stage of a product is making it last as long as possible, in the case of deppy the base of that is staying relevant, and their way to stay relevant is youtube, so yeah they might be cashing in right now but on the long run it would be smarter to let some side projects go if they can't handle everything at the same time and keep their channels with some sort of decent schedule, because that might allow them to still get opportunities a few years from now

that's what i think of the business side of things, that being said, for me that i'm already deep into the trash can, is not the lack of uploads that bother me, it's the lack of sharing that's getting to me, especially now that we know they are doing lots of interesting things, i can't accept that there's nothing of all that they can share with us aside from their breakfast choices

it's not as bad when they are at home, we get more videos to entertain ourselves and we can easily imagine at this point what their domestic life is like, and they even share more of that than what they are sharing now!

[apathy]

I agree with a lot of what's already been said. Laziness is one thing, and slumps are understandable, but I wonder sometimes how much they actually enjoy making videos anymore. Can't imagine them being happy working for anyone else either though. I really hope they do have some sort of long term plans, even if vague.

But as for sharing more - if they're happiest spending 23 hours a day at home without external contact, this tour has got to be draining. We're bored with the endless repetition of M&G selfies, and they're living through them with smiles pasted on. Plus 150% energy into every show, nothing less would be acceptable. They may feel like they're giving all they have and not realizing how small the effect is to the overall phandom.

So yeah, I'd love little videos and vlogs and photos and whatever, but I'm not sure I could even pull a tweet together in their situation. Pretty sure I'd lock myself in a bathroom with angry music to not go insane. (Sorry.) I'm also intensely introverted, so that doesn't apply to everyone. And I didn't choose a job that requires mass attention for the same reason, so there's that.

With the marketing analogy - it's not just the time to be extending their shelf life. More importantly, it's the time to be working on the Next Thing, so you have something already on the upswing when your original product hits the downward slope of the bell curve. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens post-tour.