Dan & Phil Part 16: Old, Hungover, and Probably High

[spider]

It is not my place to tell anyone how to speak so consider this a polite request. Ignore if you'd prefer.

Could everyone reconsider implying the troublemakers have mental illnesses or describing them as 'crazy' or other words for the mentally ill or neuroatypical? They are young and immature and want to be noticed by famous Youtubers. Their actions reflect that. Nothing they have done has indicated they are mentally ill or affected in development in areas other than maturity and common sense. They should be punished appropriately for their actions and made to realize Youtubers are people too and so on. There isn't a need to bring mental health into the discussion. Especially when they're little comments saying the kids are 'crazies' or 'psychopaths'.

[Stakhanov]

Why do they still have that video? I mean if it is fake (cough cough) and caused so much of a problem why keep the thing? Just saying....

The fact that they thought voldyvid a secret is a confirmation they are green to the phandom; every true phan has at least a copy of their own in their hard drive

Shht, to real
Why would a responsible, productive adult like me (who knows they are just friends btw) ever keep a silly vid on his hard hard drive of some sweet british guy declaring his love to some boy.
haha. ha. i'd never do that i mean like without reason i of course need prime source as a cultural anthropologist but...
Right anyway i gotta remember to take the trash out on wednesday i can't skip this collection round.

about the whole hacking drama Been following this 'live' while i'm watching belgium preparing for the EU soccer match (my family is getting soccer crazy, may god help us all) and my fake senses got tingling straight away.
We know the script... some random twitter accounts start tweeting a bunch about how they are going to reveal all sorts of dirt on (i honestly doubt there's much dirt to dig up on them). Who even knows if they are (pre)teens or 50 something trolls. All of these accounts and 'video proofs' are easy to fake for a moderately experienced internet drama artist.
They aim at the youngest, most guilable part of the fanbase who of course want to come to the rescue to their idol and create a lot of fuzz. I can't really blame them, they are just kids who want to help in stopping these 'evil pro hackers' who are just enjoying throwing everyone in a loop. Sometimes i want to say to them: take a step back, take a breath, don't feed the trolls.

I suggest we deny these individuals what they crave most: the attention they get by using these exploitative methods.


men in black Ouch so this is the second time they go the party in basically the same outfit? This is getting out of hand, we need a charity drive to get them some clothes.
Every time is see Dan sticking to his all black style in on some sunny day, this track starts playing in my head


oh well, belgium is about to kick Ireland's ass. Better pretend i have a clue about how soccer works

[hunnyftw]

Don't want to make it a big thing and police the thread so I won't even quote but I think spider has a point here.

Aaanyway, and more importantly... re the date night at the cinema: Phil in black or in dark colours in general does something to me and I don't want this something to stop. Please Phil, continue

[eevee]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

[NarrysCanary]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

[Ablissa]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

They're trying to keep us on our toes, attempting to keep us up at night with our #phandivorced theories while they enjoy their date nights in peace

[sweetmm]

The person need help

[Ablissa]

The person need help

I'm not saying she has mental issues (good point spider) but I wish someone would take a look at what she's doing on the internet and put an end to it. She seems young, surely she has a guardian of some sort.

[eevee]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

I'm not 100% sure how unusual this is but I feel like it wouldn't have been out of character to @ him or say Dan and I or something. This goes back to what we were talking about last thread with Phil acting less attached to Dan/less into him on camera/social media. hmm.

[ostiral]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

Nah, he doesn't talk about Dan, when they are going out together, it's always "I". But fans always find them somehow. ^_^
that's why i hate D&P give me more

[bee]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

They're trying to keep us on our toes, attempting to keep us up at night with our #phandivorced theories while they enjoy their date nights in peace

I don't know if he tweeted it before or after people saw them (and took pictures with them) but I think he mostly tweets things like this if he's seen? Otherwise he keeps mostly silent if he does stuff.

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

I'm not 100% sure how unusual this is but I feel like it wouldn't have been out of character to @ him or say Dan and I or something. This goes back to what we were talking about last thread with Phil acting less attached to Dan/less into him on camera/social media. hmm.

It can also be just personal preference, not necessarily acting less attached or anything. I don't like mentioning the people I'm with all the time on social media and say "I" even if it's "we".

[NarrysCanary]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

I'm not 100% sure how unusual this is but I feel like it wouldn't have been out of character to @ him or say Dan and I or something. This goes back to what we were talking about last thread with Phil acting less attached to Dan/less into him on camera/social media. hmm.

I'm not sure either, but I remember Phil tweeting that he went to the cinema and he @'d Dan or at least mentioned him or my mind imagined everything idk

It can also be just personal preference, not necessarily acting less attached or anything. I don't like mentioning the people I'm with all the time on social media and say "I" even if it's "we".

I know, I wasn't being 100% serious anyway

[hunnyftw]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

Naaah, girl. The way I see it neither of them is obligated to explicitly mention that he's with the other every time it happens or we get to say he's hiding something. Sometimes one or the other wishes to acknowledge the fact that they're doing something together (be it because he is in a very good mood or because the thing they're doing is meaningful to them) and that's when we get a "together" tweet or instagram post. This time he simply didn't feel like doing that and that's okay with me. And generally it seems that Phil is more likely to use the I pronoun while Dan is the one who chooses "we" more often. But don't quote me on that I've got no figures lol.
I'm usually not prone to seeing them as masterminds who do absolutely everything with premeditation. Of course they do plan some stuff but I also see a whole lot of chaos in their actions. So in order to simplify things I created a rule of thumb for myself: the acknowledgment of the fact that they're doing an activity together is an added and much appreciated bonus but not an obligation or status quo.
If you know what I mean at all. I swear it's actually very understandable in my head but somehow I can't translate these thoughts well, ugh

[felucca]

For the fashion people in the thread: Anyone know if that Givenchy bag is real or faux leather? It's not been more than a year since Dan talked about wanting to be vegan and feeling bad about wearing leather, so I mean...?

Why would a responsible, productive adult like me (who knows they are just friends btw) ever keep a silly vid on his hard hard drive of some sweet british guy declaring his love to some boy.
haha. ha. i'd never do that i mean like without reason i of course need prime source as a cultural anthropologist but...
Right anyway i gotta remember to take the trash out on wednesday i can't skip this collection round.

Dude, stop roleplaying as me (we've even got the same trash day??)

[spider]

I love how Phil was the only one who tweeted about the conjuring, and then they were spotted together. Do you think he was trying to get us to think #phandivorced and lowkey hiding the fact that he was with Dan?

That's a good theory He would've mentioned Dan usually, right ?

I'm not 100% sure how unusual this is but I feel like it wouldn't have been out of character to @ him or say Dan and I or something. This goes back to what we were talking about last thread with Phil acting less attached to Dan/less into him on camera/social media. hmm.

And deleting the 'love you' tweet. Coincidence?

My theory is Phil isn't as ready to be out about as Dan. Dan is taking steps forward and Phil takes a step forward and then back. They post a video where Phil acts cute with Dan and then Phil deletes a famous phan tweet a few days after. Phil tweets a cute birthday picture for Dan but only says 'I' when they do things together. Don't care because it's more fun for us but Phil must have whiplash from going back and forth so much.

If it was only the 'I' tweets it doesn't mean anything but Phil also tries not to look at Dan on camera even when Dan is talking and it would be normal to look at him. He does more little things to 'separate' him and Dan. Maybe it's not really a pattern but it looks like one when it's added together.

[NarrysCanary]

For the fashion people in the thread: Anyone know if that Givenchy bag is real or faux leather? It's not been one year since Dan talked about wanting to be vegan and feeling bad about wearing leather so I mean...?

Is Dan still trying to be vegan though ? He hasn't been talking about it since last year.... and he was wearing leather shoes for the Brits, wasn't he ?

[eevee]

For the fashion people in the thread: Anyone know if that Givenchy bag is real or faux leather? It's not been more than a year since Dan talked about wanting to be vegan and feeling bad about wearing leather, so I mean...?

There is a faux leather backpack that Givenchy carries: http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/Pro ... 4446766495

But ?

[alittledizzy]

Phil rarely specifies he's with Dan at something like a movie. When he does, it gets way more attention so I can see how those are the times it would stick out in your memory but no... typically it comes out later in a livestream or due to a fan sighting.

Though honestly, we can all safely assume they're usually together and 99% of the time we'd be right.

I'm not really into making such a big deal over Phil's use of "I" and not "we" - I definitely don't think he's trying to send coded messages about relationship status or his proximity to the closet door with it.

[eevee]

And deleting the 'love you' tweet. Coincidence?

My theory is Phil isn't as ready to be out about as Dan. Dan is taking steps forward and Phil takes a step forward and then back. They post a video where Phil acts cute with Dan and then Phil deletes a famous phan tweet a few days after. Phil tweets a cute birthday picture for Dan but only says 'I' when they do things together. Don't care because it's more fun for us but Phil must have whiplash from going back and forth so much.

If it was only the 'I' tweets it doesn't mean anything but Phil also tries not to look at Dan on camera even when Dan is talking and it would be normal to look at him. He does more little things to 'separate' him and Dan. Maybe it's not really a pattern but it looks like one when it's added together.

These boys I can't. It's gonna be 2050 when they come out...

Naaah, girl. The way I see it neither of them is obligated to explicitly mention that he's with the other every time it happens or we get to say he's hiding something. Sometimes one or the other wishes to acknowledge the fact that they're doing something together (be it because he is in a very good mood or because the thing they're doing is meaningful to them) and that's when we get a "together" tweet or instagram post. This time he simply didn't feel like doing that and that's okay with me. And generally it seems that Phil is more likely to use the I pronoun while Dan is the one who chooses "we" more often. But don't quote me on that I've got no figures lol.
I'm usually not prone to seeing them as masterminds who do absolutely everything with premeditation. Of course they do plan some stuff but I also see a whole lot of chaos in their actions. So in order to simplify things I created a rule of thumb for myself: the acknowledgment of the fact that they're doing an activity together is an added and much appreciated bonus but not an obligation or status quo.
If you know what I mean at all. I swear it's actually very understandable in my head but somehow I can't translate these thoughts well, ugh

That's a good point, I don't really have the right to say they're hiding something or masterminds but it does kinda seem like they're very aware of how stalkerish the phandom can be and they think about each tweet before they send it. I don't think that's reaching. So therefore I think if Phil wanted to tweet he would think about the message it would give the phandom. Does that make sense?

Phil rarely specifies he's with Dan at something like a movie. When he does, it gets way more attention so I can see how those are the times it would stick out in your memory but no... typically it comes out later in a livestream or due to a fan sighting that.

Though honestly, we can all safely assume they're usually together and 99% of the time we'd be right.

I'm not really into making such a big deal over Phil's use of "I" and not "we" - I definitely don't think he's trying to send coded messages about relationship status or his proximity to the closet door with it.

You're right we can assume they are together 99% of their lives I'm kinda on the fence about how big a deal his we vs I language is tbh. I don't think it's a big deal per se but I do think it's intentional.

[pewphan]

I don't think the girl who "hacked" Dan has a mental illness or anything, she's just an edgy 13 year old looking for attention. When I was her age I used to do crazy things for the same reason, nothing as extreme as blackmailing people, but I still look back at those times with extreme regret and I know she will too.

I am literally cringing so hard as I read her tweets, preteens are the most annoying age group and she is the epitome of them.

[annetamiau]

spider:

I'm here mainly for the 'are they/aren't they' question, and I'm quite sure they don't intend to ever come out as a couple (if they are together, bla bla).This is why all their fanservice (both in videos and TATINOF) rubs me the wrong way. I would be OK with it if I thought they were attempting to come out as a couple gradually but I don't think that's the case at all. There are many small things that point to them wanting to keep their 'best friends and roommates' image, like the shared bus bedroom denial at the beginning of the USA tour.

If you think they are not together it's even worse, in my opinion they are straight up shipbaiting at this point (well, they are shipbaiting even if they are together, all these fanfiction stuff that they are doing but still p-l-a-t-o-n-i-c friends).

And I have a question for you people who think there has never been anything other than friendship between them: don't you ever have doubts? I think they are together but I have doubts from time to time. It looks like I'm talking about religion but

[ironic]

It is not my place to tell anyone how to speak so consider this a polite request. Ignore if you'd prefer.

Could everyone reconsider implying the troublemakers have mental illnesses or describing them as 'crazy' or other words for the mentally ill or neuroatypical? They are young and immature and want to be noticed by famous Youtubers. Their actions reflect that. Nothing they have done has indicated they are mentally ill or affected in development in areas other than maturity and common sense. They should be punished appropriately for their actions and made to realize Youtubers are people too and so on. There isn't a need to bring mental health into the discussion. Especially when they're little comments saying the kids are 'crazies' or 'psychopaths'.

I've got nothing to say on the current topic, just wanted to thank you so much for this post, spider. It'd be highly appreciated if people tried to be more careful with their words.

[alittledizzy]

You're right we can assume they are together 99% of their lives I'm kinda on the fence about how big a deal his we vs I language is tbh. I don't think it's a big deal per se but I do think it's intentional.

I think the intentional part is true, but I'd guess it's more because he knows if he tweets and @'s Dan then the tweet becomes about him and Dan to everyone. Maybe sometimes he just actually wants to tweet about a movie. And... popcorn. (sigh.)

[SquishPhan]

Phil rarely specifies he's with Dan at something like a movie. When he does, it gets way more attention so I can see how those are the times it would stick out in your memory but no... typically it comes out later in a livestream or due to a fan sighting.

Though honestly, we can all safely assume they're usually together and 99% of the time we'd be right.

I'm not really into making such a big deal over Phil's use of "I" and not "we" - I definitely don't think he's trying to send coded messages about relationship status or his proximity to the closet door with it.

I agree with this.

Also while it is true that Phil doesn't look at Dan in videos as much as Dan looks at Phil, I do feel like he has been doing that more in their latest videos.

[eevee]

I think the intentional part is true, but I'd guess it's more because he knows if he tweets and @'s Dan then the tweet becomes about him and Dan to everyone. Maybe sometimes he just actually wants to tweet about a movie. And... popcorn. (sigh.)

yeah good point! I shouldn't be reading into it so much hahah