corn flakes wrote:
Hi,while I agree with some of the things you said and I'm much more phan-indifferent, how do you explain voldy? I don't exclude that something may have happened but certainly that didn't change my position on the topic, as phanagnostic.
Also I don't think the majority of us is losing sleep over the issue but we are simply curious and in a deppy forum
I don't have to explain voldy, but since you ask, i'll try. I do agree with one of the arguments on this thread, sorry i don't remember who posted it and can't check rn, but i can imagine them going "hey it's valentine's soon, there's this shipping thing, let's make a video and joke about it" but then deciding maybe it looked too convincing and people on the internet are dense af and many would think it was real, so uploading on April's Fool became an option; then they decided it would make for a bad joke anyway, discarded the idea and forgot about it until YT unprivated some videos. Personally i've never seen the video, only read about it accidentally; decided to never watch it because i respect dnp's wishes about it. I do think however one of the reasons why i'm inclined to believe it was indeed a joke is that from what i know Phil mentions things that are easily traceable back to their public online interactions on twitter and such; if i were making a legit romantic video for my bf i'd talk about much more personal/private shared moments the internet would have no idea about. Coincidentally, if i wanted to stage a convincing joke, i'd make detailed stuff up too to make it seem more "real", presenting "new" information that can't be confirmed, leaving a lingering impression of doubt. The voldy can't be explained, after all. Only dnp know what that was all about, and speculation can only go so far, specially with confirmation bias.
"losing sleep" is here a figure of speech, but you probably already knew that
annetamiau wrote:
Also, this is a question I have for all the anti/agnostics: why is the fact they say they are not a couple a strong argument? I'm genuinely curious to know why you believe it's unlikely that they'd lie to us. I see this over and over in blogs like phanantiproof, and it makes no sense to me. They lied about having met through a mutual friend, for example. I don't see why some people think they wouldn't lie to us about their relationship status, when we are just their audience. It's such a weak argument to me. To my mind there are much stronger ones, for example the difficulty in keeping the relationship a secret for so long.
I think, at least in my case and some of my friends, it's got to do with entitlement. So many shippers are so young and think supporting your fave means an all access pass to their lives in all aspects including outside of whatever platform they work in. When it comes to dnp i simply don't feel that way. They don't owe me the truth and details of their personal, off-camera life. They actually don't owe me anything, it's the other way around. So, if they say phan ain't real, i'll just take it. Why wouldn't i? Is something that concerns them, so who better than them to listen to about it? I'd take dnp's words over the phandom's any day. Their videos helped me get through some shitty moments, the least i could do is take them seriously on this instead of going straight to "oh they lying".
The shipping aspect of dnp never moved me, that is not what got me into them, i'm not interested in solving this big old mystery. They can lie all they want, but in light of what phan is all about -from the phandom's perspective- if they lie about their relationship status a) i understand why they would, b) ain't even mad about it. I actually find it sad they have to lie to protect their privacy, that speaks more of the phandom than of them IMO. I'm worried already if they're not secretely gay with each other how will the phandom treat their partners if they ever go public about dating/being in a relationship? If they lie, then it's for self-preservation and not a choice but something the hardcore phandom has forced them to do.
I don't see dnp and their friends and family denying phan as an argument at all, it's sort of an official statement by now and not somehing up for debate, for me it's not up for discussion simply because it's not my business to discuss, you see? I've been shipped irl with one of my friends before, it becomes
hell to keep insisting nothing's going on between you too to people who have already decided they just won't listen because they prioritize their fantasy of you and your friend's imaginary relationship over your own words and feelings on the matter. It's like talking to a rude wall. Eventually all you can do is ignore it and not give a fuck, wich i think is what happened after Dan calmed down a bit. They can't win, so they stopped trying. Even if you consider it a "weak argument" won't you say it actually adds up with the others? As you mention, the difficulty of keeping a relationship hidden for so long when they're so easily recognisable in public, added up to friends, family and themselves saying they're not together and implying that they're single, it actually enforces the possibility that hey, they might not be lying about phan not being real after all.
Even if they're lying, they can drag friends, family and acquaintances in on the lie but what about the rest of the world? Taxi drivers, waiters, store clerks, their neighbours, bystanders on the street, everything really, am i seriously expected to believe in the last 7 years no one has ever seen these two at least holding hands once im public?? (bad photoshop edits don't count). Young people have no idea how the presure of keeping everything a secret can wear down and even destroy a relationship, specially for so long.
So tl;dr, if dnp say they're not together i have more reasons to believe them than to not.
