Dan & Phil Part 18: disgustingly & inappropriately cute

[eevee]

I typed this all while watching it, so this is my reaction, sorry I only have one timestamp in my big list of things I enjoyed:

The beginning seemed very scripted to me, which turns me off since I like banter, so it was a bad start to the video overall.

It was interesting to me that they thought it was so normal to get married after a year of dating……..

I’m side eyeing them for making Tabitha pancakes but can I really be surprised?

“why is there no join in the bath option, I’m just saying” well now we know what you and Phil get up to, ay Dan?

Watching Dan make the flirty pose and flutter his eyes absolutely killed me, I had to rewatch it a few times.

Dan smiled SO big when he saw Dil in his boxers and it was so adorable watching him put his head in his hands, aaaah my heart

It’s a shammage!! You tried so hard, Phil.

“let’s blow it” ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

“A red wine, Phil, it’s supposed to be sexy” well now we know what they have on date night.

Handcuffs. That is all.

At 19:56 Phil is staring at Dan and I’m living for it.

“she said yes” is something I never want to hear them say again.

Is that how british people pronounce “inventory” like “invent – ory” or did Dan just say that wrong? Lol

The end was cute when they were talking about planning a wedding…

They have had sex on the breakfast bar, you can't convince me otherwise.

I just imagine them trying to bang on it and falling off…….

After they found Dil a girlfriend they clearly decided socialising was no longer necessary.

like anyone else we know?

Time stamps.

10:15 Dan does the cute flirty pose like Tabitha and then there is a jump cut. Phil says 'that was quite' but he gets cut off by Dan. Quite what?
16:16 'I think like normally we'd get a cocktail but a proposal is more of a wine kind of event.' and 24:05 'Pile up that cash and then have an epic wedding with everybody we've ever known.' 'And then what comes after that? Let's not think about that for now.' Are you talking about yourselves or your Sims? Who is 'we'?

I want to know quite what as well. Also yes who is we? I was thinking the same thing.

boredtears and everyone else, I feel the same way. I hate Kanye West tbh and it really bothers me that Dan stans him so much. I’m glad I’m not alone

[Winston]

Loved the vid. I love the Dil videos for the bants, never played it in my life.
Highlights for me include, but not limited to:

*"not the ring sonic eats, but another kind of ring"- Dan's reaction (subtle)
*T-bag
*T-bag farting (again. why is she always farting, yet Dil never does?-Asking the real questions.)
*the reaction to Dil's outfit, Dan's reaction in particular
*Of course the breakfast bar discussion, although I didn't need that to assume they used it for purposes other than breakfast.
*Dil's face melting
*the booth discussion
*Dan's hair while they wait for the date to end. I think it looks hilarious-like a hat not hair...
*"pile up that cash and have an epic wedding", just made me think about how much money they themselves are making with the tour, Youtube, YouNow, and what ever the hell else they get their dough from. What you planning on spending all that cash on boys? Saving it up for a rainy day?

Also side note, I have been noticing a 3rd dimple (no not nipple! ) on Dan that I never noticed before. On his right side, just below his lip. Is that considered a dimple? It only makes an appearance when he makes certain faces, or says certain words. Tell me I'm not crazy, plz.

I can't wait for Dan's ls. We doing bingo part deux for it? I hope to GOD that the Kanye discussion is short. I would say I hope he doesn't mention him, but I try and set realistic goals...and who are we kidding? Kanye will make an appearance at some point.

[fakelights]

I enjoyed the new Sims video very much. The mood was great and there were lots of moments to highlight but everybody else already talked about them a thousand times, so I'll just agree and say it was great and I'm also on the team that took the breakfast bar comment to another level and saw other meaning

I’m in agreement with boredtears and danphil333 on this. Dan stanning Kanye so hard is just so disappointing to me. I get that one could like his music, he has made some good songs, but the level of love that Dan holds for him just ugh no.

Also agreeing with the other people who made a point about this. I was hoping he would (at least) ignore anything related to this video, disappointing tbh.

[ironic]

I'll never understand why people will ask for Dan's opinion on something but then get upset when his opinion doesn't match their own or feels like it doesn't match his other opinions. This is just in general to be honest. Everytime something that's problematic happens and Dan sees ether both sides or the other sides to the whole thing, everyone bashes him for expressing what he thinks about it. The boy more than likely knows why the video is bad, but would rather see the artistic side. Let him have an opinion, even if it's a wrong one.

He may focus on the artistic side, alright, but he didn't say anything about how the video is bad so idk can we really be sure he's so well aware?
Assuming he is, I think it's perfectly normal to be disappointed when someone you support is supporting someone who's behavior is shit. Not much to understand here.

Also danphil333 I'm on your side with this one, I might not agree with you lots of times but I don't see what's the problem with you checking out Dan's social media.

[bluewho]

24:05 'Pile up that cash and then have an epic wedding with everybody we've ever known.' 'And then what comes after that? Let's not think about that for now.' Are you talking about yourselves or your Sims? Who is 'we'?

The video initially reminded me of that M&G photo in which some cringey fans asked them to pose in a 'proposal' stance. I think the subject of this most recent Dil video must have been discussed by them before filming it. How do you guys think that conversation went? Assuming they are in a relationship, I mean.

2022

lets talk about what a great guy and how beautiful dan is.

let's

[trashqueen]

I'll never understand why people will ask for Dan's opinion on something but then get upset when his opinion doesn't match their own or feels like it doesn't match his other opinions. This is just in general to be honest. Everytime something that's problematic happens and Dan sees ether both sides or the other sides to the whole thing, everyone bashes him for expressing what he thinks about it. The boy more than likely knows why the video is bad, but would rather see the artistic side. Let him have an opinion, even if it's a wrong one.

? he can have his opinion all he wants? and we can say it is a load of bullshit if we want.
also technically it's not like the people criticizing that opinion are actually the ones that asked Dan in the 1st place.

i don't understand how 'i want to know what he thinks' translates to 'i won't disagree with him or call him out on his bullshit'

and yeah agree with everyone who's disappointed with that reply, the fact that he stans kanye is the one big thing i dislike about dan, i just can't understand why anyone would do that... appreciate his music and stuff? yeah why not if that's your thing, i actually kinda admire him from a business pov, like seriously his pr/marketing team is on point, but actually //stan// him and defend things like this, nah son

[felucca]

Me live reacting to the new Dil episode:

ok they're playing their old 2012 background music, why are they playing their old 2012 background music

i'm so nostalgic rn

oooooh fun fact! if d&p keeps up their current upload schedule on the gaming channel, they'll release just two or so fewer videos than last year

(wait that's not fun)

"the nerdy couple" anyone made the edit yet?

sitting at the breakfast bar = romantic apparently

omg they kept talking about the breakfast bar i'm in heaven

lmao phil insisting it's gonna be a wohoo-y environment
always the one wanting to take things a step further

dan going "no, no, no.. ok" like it's some sorta fan fic

what IS that zoom-in at 9:18?? what u tryna say

since i'm collecting times when dan and phil made each other laugh:
so far in this episode it's 4-0 to dan
phil u sunshine

NOOOOOO keep talking about downton abbey ffs

whoa campy!dan out in full force when looking at tabitha's dress damn boy

lmaoo and talking about dil's clothes too i cant handle this

(dan AND phil trying to pronounce a common swedish name this just keeps getting better and better please don't ever let it end)

"let's blow it" - dan howell, 2016

lmao psychic phil

ok i've found my favourite part of the entire video:


ahahahahaha dan just commented on DIL'S campy hand movement i'm dying

lololol eliza pancake i love this game

oh phil made dan laugh, 4-1 to dan

someone should make vyou1 summary videos of all the sims episodes tbh
(hahaha illmakeuhowell already did for this episode awesome)

ok i'm done
i'm so done

dammit i'm not over them

Kanye zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

[Catallena]

lmao where did I imply that I agreed with Dan or that I like that video? Right. Nowhere. I agree with boredtears that the video is disgusting (I don't really like Kanye in general) and I think that Dan has gone past the stage of dedicated fan into the purgatory of being a delulu stan. So don't start with that.

But the way you continuously hate on Dan yet seem to follow everything he does including his Twitter replies is weird. I don't care of you don't like Dan and want to criticize him everywhere, you do you and all that, but extreme way you go about it sometimes comes off as an obsession and it's really strange and uncomfortable to me. (and yes i'd say the same thing about a dan stan before you start accusing me of being biased or a 'hater' tf is this middle school) Like I'm not even saying that you are obsessed, it's just how I see you.

you chose to ignore dans opinion and comment on mine though.\

i dont want to answer the same "why you following dan?" ever again. dan for me is just one part of "phan" that happens to be extremely annoying and at times "ugly"(dont want to say problematic). many people find phil('s pancakes) boring or even creepy but still following and comment on him. so what? are they obsessed too? no

idont know why your first instinct was to call me an obsessed hater and focus on me rather than the actual issue here

people "craving" opinions from dan and phil so much and thats what we get?. i dont want to hear another opinion from him then.

I ignore like 90% of Dan's opinions, especially when they're about Kanye. It's why I rarely watch his liveshows anymore and prefer recaps, my tolerance of Dan waffling gets reached within 10 minutes. He has defended Kanye before, it's sad that I don't even remember what it was about the guy is just thatproblematic, so it's hardly surprising and not really noteworthy enough for me to comment on. And I literally just said I find Dan stans who hate on everything Phil does equally annoying. It's just weird to me how people like you, who so intensely dislike a person still follow everything they do. And that's what I called out. Love yourself. Bring positivity towards Phil instead. Currently you're like what Dan is to Kanye, but hateful.

[idk]

I feel like the 'famous' music video is an interesting topic. I've kind of gotten into Kanye and I don't see him as very problematic. The Bill Cosby tweet was shit, but I also don't know what he meant by it. Does he actually believe that Bill Cosby is innocent? I have no idea.
The music video surely crossed over some lines. But I know that what Kanye was trying to do was get attention. Was it inappropriate to make wax figures of what celebs' naked bodies might look like? Yes. Was it sexist? Maybe. He did show the boobs of the women.
Anyway I just don't find it terrible that Dan says that he liked the video. He was probably saying it from an 'artistic' standpoint. I just don't think we have to get our pitchforks out bc of it. But yeah, everyone has the right to 'side eye' Dan because of that. I hope he explains his opinion in his live show.

concurring with this tbh - i find kanye -gasp- kind of admirable tbh (for several and various reasons). obv didn't stand by the cosby tweet, but he clearly did that for attention too - and it worked, doesn't justify it ik ik but i quite like him. kanye is a very, very smart man and i have no doubt he knows exactly what he's doing/what he's going to receive with/from everything he does. doesn't justify it but makes it understandable - and the difference/chasm between the two is of paramount importance. etc

edit: obv not here for a kanye discussion - the dil video was cute. better as it progressed. start was a bit iffy, imo but they pulled it together.

[danphil333]

Catallena:

i am interested and I follow him for the #phan but dan just continues to prove to me almost everyday that he is not worthy as a person. I am allowed opinions even if negative.
Please tell me how to stop following everything dan is doing but still follow and obsess over phil and phan?. Its not an option I am afraid.

Sorry but i will propably still be here for the wedding in 2022

[daichii]

Video was cute tho it did feel rushed at times, I was not ready for Dilitha engagement. All I could think about throughout the entire episode was "Are we closer to Phan dealing with Sims babies?" because I'm so ready for that!

You all already mentioned all my favorite parts of the video. It was a good episode and I hope the following ones will be released soon! phan planning a wedding will be lovely. I couldn't help but think of that liveshow with Adam and if the wedding will be a mess ala deppy or if they'll actually try to make it romantic. How many episodes do you think they'll wait for that?

Re: Dan's opinion about Kanye under spoiler bc

Ngl I am quite close to unsubscribing from dinof and not following him in any social media just for that opinion alone. I do think that Dan lately tends to consider things properly before giving an opinion and I will wait to see if he has something else to say about it but tbh that thing doesn't raise any question about celebrities, is just an attention grabber in the worst kind of ways and yeah I'm more than side eyeing him for stanning this dude but I'm also still giving him the benefit of the doubt. Am I being overdramatic? Probs, but that vid was so disgusting and I have strong opinions about it

[000dia000]

My game literally exists of them and a town full of celebrities, all motherloded up the wazoo with 3984789434 kids each and every so often when I'm bored, I shut random neighbours in the basements and have them have more babies and wall up the pizza delivery guy and watch him pee himself.

Omg, do you have a gaming channel?! I would totally watch that

I sure do!

I hate you, how dare you call yourself human


"Pile up that cash and then have an epic wedding with everybody we've ever known"
I don't know Dan, but that was projecting if I ever saw it lol

Regarding Dan's defending Kanye, while some people may ignore the personal behavior to focus on their artistry, I don't feel that in this case it is excusable. Honestly, if Dan was a close, in real life friend defended someone with Kanye's behavior with an excuse like "they are a nice person tho" I think our reactions would be a lot different. While I don't think Dan is necessary a horrible person for ignoring Kanye's many, many, many mistakes in favor of his stanning of yeezus, etc. I hope he comes to drop mentions of Kanye as we can all mutually agree, Dan's appreciation of him is contradictory with a lot of what Dan claims he supports, eg. feminism, etc. I stan dan but honestly view this recent event with disdain, but lucky for ol' Dan we'll forget about this soon enough

[sunday]

TW for mention of Bill Cosby and sexual assault, incase anyone wants to skip over this post

Oooh I am so here for this discussion. Dan, Phil, Yeezy, and feminism. All topics of interest for me.
I'll preface this by saying I'm a Kanye-stan, I love all of his albums, I think his music is incredible, and I think he's put out some really important, insightful songs (see: Yeezus album).
That said, dude is definitely problematic.

I feel like the 'famous' music video is an interesting topic. I've kind of gotten into Kanye and I don't see him as very problematic. The Bill Cosby tweet was shit, but I also don't know what he meant by it. Does he actually believe that Bill Cosby is innocent? I have no idea.

I actually think he genuinely believes Bill Cosby is innocent. In addition to the infamous BILL COSBY INNOCENTTTT!!!!! tweet, in the Famous song he actually raps "do anybody feel bad for Bill Cosby?!"
When I heard that line, oh my god. Why Kanye, WHY.
Eve if he doesn't think Cosby is innocent, and is only talking shit for attention, it's still super fucked up and offensive to sexual assault victims everywhere.

I am so TORN right now because I watched that video and was SO HAPPY and fully planned on coming over here and gushing about how hilarious and adorable Danyul was because I'm GARBAGE. I mean, come on:

12:31 'Ok firstly Tabitha you look amazing'

Plus the little sassy hand thing after that. Ugh this vid is a goldmine of adorable campy Dan moments. I loved it so much.

But this has been dampened a lil bit by that Kanye tweet! Come on Dan that vid was messed up. Another example of Kanye doing something "edgy" or "arty" without considering wider social issues.

Butttt everyone on earth has said problematic things before, it's 100% guaranteed, it's a learning process for everyone. I first started learning about feminism almost 10 years ago, I've studied it at uni, and I'm sure I still have so much to learn. We're allowed to have slip ups every now and then. I think Dan either is choosing to not mention the problematic aspect of the vid or he just genuinely hasn't thought through all of the issues properly

[Catallena]

Catallena:

i am interested and I follow him for the #phan but dan just continues to prove to me almost everyday that he is not worthy as a person. I am allowed opinions even if negative.
Please tell me how to stop following everything dan is doing but still follow and obsess over phil and phan?. Its not an option I am afraid.

Sorry but i will propably still be here for the wedding in 2022

Oh you're definitely allowed negative opinions, I'm quite negative about the both of them on a regular basis, it's just that to me what you're doing is straight up bashing at times and that's when I would take a step back and wonder what I'm doing. That's just me tho.

I've known plenty of people who only liked one of them and disliked the other, many of whom shipped phan, and they managed to ignore the one they didn't care for just fine so I'm sure you could too. It's not a new concept, people who stan bands but dislike a member do it all the time. Plus even casually following on Twitter is different than actively going into mentions where there's probably nothing that could catch your interest because the people who Dan replies to are specifically interacting with him and not with Phil or the both of them. If anything is said that applies to Phil or Phan, you can bet that's it gonna be everywhere (including this board) in a matter for minutes. So basically I just don't see the point.

To the 2022 wedding

[starlight-still]

Oh my heart….Phil seemed a bit extra giddy about the new Dil yesterday and now we all know why.

Honestly, it’s all been said (especially breakfast bar and breakfast in bed ). I’m happy. They’re happy. I’m happy they’re happy. All I can add is:

- Guys, you’re a half step away from playing that dating sim…y’all know you wanna.
- Precious Phil with his lil heart shirt for the occasion What a proud, supportive poppa he is.
- That being said...Dan’s eyes at 0:44-0:46 and 0:55-0:57- that shirt bringing back any special memories, Daniel?
- 2:09- “I wanna go here!” Phil, take notes.
- 4:20- Discipline daddy Dan
- 8:53- “Chez Llama, Dan”- Phil knows the magic word.
- 9:48- Phil is oh so very determined to nail that Shrek voice...
- 13:12- Apparently Phil was inspired by Dil’s pastel blazer and black boxers/shorts for his recent outfits.

Looking forward to the wedding planning and/or wedding episode…not to mention die kinder

[danphil333]

Catallena:

i am interested and I follow him for the #phan but dan just continues to prove to me almost everyday that he is not worthy as a person. I am allowed opinions even if negative.
Please tell me how to stop following everything dan is doing but still follow and obsess over phil and phan?. Its not an option I am afraid.

Sorry but i will propably still be here for the wedding in 2022

Oh you're definitely allowed negative opinions, I'm quite negative about the both of them on a regular basis, it's just that to me what you're doing is straight up bashing at times and that's when I would take a step back and wonder what I'm doing. That's just me tho.

I've known plenty of people who only liked one of them and disliked the other, many of whom shipped phan, and they managed to ignore the one they didn't care for just fine so I'm sure you could too. It's not a new concept, people who stan bands but dislike a member do it all the time. Plus even casually following on Twitter is different than actively going into mentions where there's probably nothing that could catch your interest because the people who Dan replies to are specifically interacting with him and not with Phil or the both of them. If anything is said that applies to Phil or Phan, you can bet that's it gonna be everywhere (including this board) in a matter for minutes. So basically I just don't see the point.

To the 2022 wedding

Isnt this exactly what dan is doing with kanye. Ignoring anything problematic because he is supposed to be "edgy" and "arty"(what dan would like to think of himself) like sunday said.

Should I support and defend kanye just because his music is good(for some people) ignoring he is a shitty person.
Can I ignore 90per of dans opinions so I can be positive and "like" him
Not sth I can do tbh.

Can you imagine, if I didnt go to his mentions to see that tweet dan would be the best. If I only watched gifs of him looking at phil he would be the most likable adorable person in the world

And you are right, I should revaluate my life . All this "bashing"... not healthy at all

[bear]

kanye's famous video:
- uses naked likenesses of celebrities without their consent
- the female celebrities are shown to be explicitly naked while the male celebrities are far more covered
- puts bill cosby in bed with these celebrities
- puts rihanna in bed next to chris brown
- was copied from the work of another artist

but no dan, please, tell me more about how artistic and revolutionary it is

dan
- has an audience with a large demographic of teenage girls
- claims to be a feminist
- benefits from these said two things
- endorses this video

idgaf if dan stans kanye in his own time but i'm side-eyeing him so hard right now for publicly endorsing this video.

please don't accuse me of 'turning this place into tumblr' for this post, i'm genuinely very unhappy about this and very unhappy with dan. practice what you preach

I completely agree with this, I don't care if Dan loves Kanye ''ironically'' or not, I find it extremely irresponsible that he publically stans someone who defended Bill Cosby and said that he was innocent. I am not here for it.

I mean everyone is attacking dan rn, so maybe we'll have a explanation tomorrow? I'm disappointed in him though. but I'm just gonna wait until tomorrow to see if and how he explains it to let out my full opinion.
I'm in love with the new video though.

[LurkingTrash]

TW for mention of Bill Cosby and sexual assault, incase anyone wants to skip over this post

Oooh I am so here for this discussion. Dan, Phil, Yeezy, and feminism. All topics of interest for me.
I'll preface this by saying I'm a Kanye-stan, I love all of his albums, I think his music is incredible, and I think he's put out some really important, insightful songs (see: Yeezus album).
That said, dude is definitely problematic.

I feel like the 'famous' music video is an interesting topic. I've kind of gotten into Kanye and I don't see him as very problematic. The Bill Cosby tweet was shit, but I also don't know what he meant by it. Does he actually believe that Bill Cosby is innocent? I have no idea.

I actually think he genuinely believes Bill Cosby is innocent. In addition to the infamous BILL COSBY INNOCENTTTT!!!!! tweet, in the Famous song he actually raps "do anybody feel bad for Bill Cosby?!"
When I heard that line, oh my god. Why Kanye, WHY.
Eve if he doesn't think Cosby is innocent, and is only talking shit for attention, it's still super fucked up and offensive to sexual assault victims everywhere.

I am so TORN right now because I watched that video and was SO HAPPY and fully planned on coming over here and gushing about how hilarious and adorable Danyul was because I'm GARBAGE. I mean, come on:

12:31 'Ok firstly Tabitha you look amazing'

Plus the little sassy hand thing after that. Ugh this vid is a goldmine of adorable campy Dan moments. I loved it so much.

But this has been dampened a lil bit by that Kanye tweet! Come on Dan that vid was messed up. Another example of Kanye doing something "edgy" or "arty" without considering wider social issues.

Butttt everyone on earth has said problematic things before, it's 100% guaranteed, it's a learning process for everyone. I first started learning about feminism almost 10 years ago, I've studied it at uni, and I'm sure I still have so much to learn. We're allowed to have slip ups every now and then. I think Dan either is choosing to not mention the problematic aspect of the vid or he just genuinely hasn't thought through all of the issues properly

I feel a lot like this too, I tend to ignore a lot of stuff but I know that he knows a lot of Kanyes problematic behavior, there's no way that he doesn't know about what people find controversial about the guy. If he hasn't indeed thought what might be wrong with that video then that's okay, I too believe that slip ups are forgivable and part of the learning process that you have to be constantly aware of in feminism.
It's just... that video is just so in-your-face for how problematic it is? Like, Bill Cosby, these artists consent to being put there in that way.... it's just past the point where you can call a guy's content as 'controversial' in a tone that excuses him, you know?
I really hope that Dan clears the air a bit on the liveshow by addressing how fucked up the video is, that doesn't invalidate his love for the guy's music/art and clothing line, he's still allowed to like and stan all of that, but he can't just say he liked a video that goes against everything he's said to believe before like feminism, I really really really hope he addresses that even if it will cause another shitstorm.
under spoiler: I compare this situation of how I handled learning about Johnny Depp thing:

I compare that to a lot of what I went trough when learning about Johnny Depp stuff, I used to love the guy, was hooked in every interview, went to see every movie in opening nights but when I learned about what he did I didn't try and find excuses for the guy or for loving him/his stuff, I mourned because it was a loss for me of someone I looked up to and never talked anymore about how he's a great guy, I'm allowing myself to enjoy movies that he's in but I have the knowledge that he's a bad person despite his skills, I just make sure to never talk about him in a good light and I bring up how fucked his behavior was anytime needed. I'll make sure from here to be careful not to send money his way by not supporting movies and more that he's in. It's a complicated maze to work out but I'm slowly learning to reconcile this love that I used to have with the recent things I learned about the guy, still a bit of trial and error in my behaviors.
I can understand how hard this might be for Dan, but that's not a excuse to ignore the bad side and focus on the artsy/good side. Especially if you have an audience as big as Dan's. If he didn't say anything I would be okay with it (I actually thought that was what was going to happen?) but publicly endorsing the guy? Bad move.

[kay]

Pretty much everything I liked has been pointed out already but I find it so endearing how excited Phil is to order food off the restaurant menu and how serious they both were about the meal choices. "A SPACE TACO! LET'S GET THEM BOTH SPACE TACOS!"

my face when I'm starving and look at awesome menus too

[esso]

source: http://danisnotonfires.tumblr.com/post/147255158589

I know their sims isn't sponsored but I'd be surprised if EA hasn't approached them yet with an offer haha

[blueapple_x]

^^ They're already getting free promo from Deppy so unless EA have something specific they want to advertise/sell, I doubt they'd want to pay them to get what they're already getting for free.

[Catallena]

Catallena:

i am interested and I follow him for the #phan but dan just continues to prove to me almost everyday that he is not worthy as a person. I am allowed opinions even if negative.
Please tell me how to stop following everything dan is doing but still follow and obsess over phil and phan?. Its not an option I am afraid.

Sorry but i will propably still be here for the wedding in 2022

Oh you're definitely allowed negative opinions, I'm quite negative about the both of them on a regular basis, it's just that to me what you're doing is straight up bashing at times and that's when I would take a step back and wonder what I'm doing. That's just me tho.

I've known plenty of people who only liked one of them and disliked the other, many of whom shipped phan, and they managed to ignore the one they didn't care for just fine so I'm sure you could too. It's not a new concept, people who stan bands but dislike a member do it all the time. Plus even casually following on Twitter is different than actively going into mentions where there's probably nothing that could catch your interest because the people who Dan replies to are specifically interacting with him and not with Phil or the both of them. If anything is said that applies to Phil or Phan, you can bet that's it gonna be everywhere (including this board) in a matter for minutes. So basically I just don't see the point.

To the 2022 wedding

Isnt this exactly what dan is doing with kanye. Ignoring anything problematic because he is supposed to be "edgy" and "arty"(what dan would like to think of himself) like sunday said.

Should I support and defend kanye just because his music is good(for some people) ignoring he is a shitty person.
Can I ignore 90per of dans opinions so I can be positive and "like" him
Not sth I can do tbh.

Can you imagine, if I didnt go to his mentions to see that tweet dan would be the best. If I only watched gifs of him looking at phil he would be the most likable adorable person in the world

And yes my dan bashing is completely and utterly serious . I should revaluate my life

No? That's not at all what I'm getting at. A person ignoring someone they already dislike anyway and that never changing is unrelated to being blind to your faves ugly behavior and defending them. It's just the mature thing to do. Move on.

I didn't say you should ignore problematicness just so you can stan people. What I do with 'ignoring opinions' (which isn't really the right way to word it but I can't be arsed to do better rn) doesn't mean I'm willfully ignorant so I can support my fave. That's not what I do. I take note of both of their opinions and behavior, and will have my own opinion but I just don't always feel any desire to comment on it. If supporting them at all costs was my objective, I'd use positives to cancel out the ugly like often happens. Like what Dan does when he hypes Kanye's artistic genius. I don't do that though. For example the feminism thing... Big deal. It's not like saying no was really an option. I might occasionally want an opinion just to know that they at least care, like with Brexit recently. But that's where it ends.

And I dunno. Phil has done and said plenty of problematic stuff in his lifetime (just like every person ever) and you're seemingly perfectly able to ignore that? Dan stans Kanye, Phil is a Joss Whedon fanboy. A lot less obsessive about it, but still.

Also if you didn't see that tweet you'd still hate him anyway 'cause you already did. There's no point.

And now I'm going to sleep. *yawn*

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Phils live show was lovely, he was very hyper and seemed happy which was nice, if I'd not been in work I'd have probably written 'pancakes' 16 times for the bingo I vaguely remember seeing him in a pancakes t shirt in an old video, I sincerely hope that tshirt has gone to a charity shop at some point or I suspect it'll make a reappearance soon.

Dil was also sweet, camp Dan is hilarious and I'd love to ones at get a 'bloopers' clip of what they edit out, I suspect it'd be 2022 though

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I wrote a huge thing about Dan and the Kanye tweet but lost it because I was trying to work out how to hide it because it was so big, but my brief recap is to me it looked more like he found the video interesting rather than enjoyed it and perhaps didn't realise his tweet may look like an endorsement? I found the video incredibly intrusive and uncomfortable, but it did make me think a bit about the effects of fame and the repercussions that come with it in that people can use your image in whatever way they want almost and once it's out there on the internet it's very hard to do anything about it because of the 'Streisand effect'. Its a shame that the method Kanye used was so problematic and so very, very intrusive, the lack of consent to use the images was disturbing but also I guess one of the points of the video? I wish he'd found a different method because I did find it thought provoking but the message I chose to derive from it was ruined for me by the method in which he chose to express it.

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I wrote a huge thing about Dan and the Kanye tweet but lost it because I was trying to work out how to hide it because it was so big, but my brief recap is to me it looked more like he found the video interesting rather than enjoyed it and perhaps didn't realise his tweet may look like an endorsement? I found the video incredibly intrusive and uncomfortable, but it did make me think a bit about the effects of fame and the repercussions that come with it in that people can use your image in whatever way they want almost and once it's out there on the internet it's very hard to do anything about it because of the 'Streisand effect'. Its a shame that the method Kanye used was so problematic and so very, very intrusive, the lack of consent to use the images was disturbing but also I guess one of the points of the video? I wish he'd found a different method because I did find it thought provoking but the message I chose to derive from it was ruined for me by the method in which he chose to express it.

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That's a very interesting perspective, I didn't think about it (both the video and Dan's intention) like that before. The Kanye video didn't make me think about anything but how disgusted I was that he used all these problematic things in it, it honestly made me sick to my stomach and I couldn't watch all of it, maybe I'll give it another go sometime if I can put these feelings aside to critically analyse that.

Anyway

source: http://danisnotonfires.tumblr.com/post/147255158589

I know their sims isn't sponsored but I'd be surprised if EA hasn't approached them yet with an offer haha

I found it cute that the official account tweeted the sims video. (also how interesting that both Dan and Phil made separate tweets, usually they just retweet the first to post. It made me go ) I know to most people here Dil isn't their favorite gaming videos but I love each one.
I wonder if undertale is next? I might need to rewatch everything (thankfully I have time this week) to remember things because I've never played the game and they are so far apart I'm really lost in the game, the last episode I watched for them only because I really didn't remember like 80% of what happened and the backstory.

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I really enjoyed the video.

Dan's sick voice made him sound a lot like his younger self. It made me kinda nostalgic or maybe that's just from finally getting a video from them!