Dan & Phil Part 22: #rubberupfordan

[visiblelurker]

I've definitely noticed Dan mentioning consent a lot and I've got to say that I dont think he is joking/ mocking the concept. I think he's actually emphasizing the importance of consent. Idk why he's taken to doing this so much, but I think it's a positive effort rather than negative. Weirdly I find it kind of annoying and cringey and very mom-esque

"I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" aren't very serious in my opinion. He's not literally saying "remember kids, consent is important!" He's throwing the word consent around in silly scenarios. I definitely think he's joking around, I don't see either of those uses of the word "consent" to be serious. Please explain how it seems serious to you? I'd love to have a different viewpoint shared because I'd love to stop feeling this way about Dan's use of the word "consent."

First, I completely agree that consent is important and is currently a complex social issue. The way I see it, jokes like this tend to be perceived two ways - either trivializing or normalizing. I don't think either interpretation is inherently wrong but rather is tied to individual experience and context.

On this particular example, I personally fall on the normalizing side of it. "I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" are jokes, but they place the issue of consent at a more basic, simple level that I think acts as a normalizing influence on the overall concept. I didn't explicitly say you could touch or intrude on my personal space, so don't.

I interpret the point of the joke as not trivializing the importance of consent, but rather enforcing the need for it. The way he is saying it is not serious as it is a joke, but in this case I personally don't see it as harmful. That being said, I can see why others would be upset by a complex social issue being reduced to a punchline as I fall on that side of the fence on other issues and in different contexts.

[Kathrynxjane]

Team Mystic for the win.

I watched it while at work so I really need to watch it again and give it my full attention but I really love Pokemon Go videos. It is like a mini DITL and i just love seeing them do something different.
Salty Dan was my favourite part. It is very annoying when someone else gets a Pokemon and it doesn't appear in your game!

I would love a Pokemon Go in Australia Video. I bet Dan is loving the different Pokemon over there. Really jealous. being stuck with Pidgeys and rattata

[phanaconda]

You can see that even on the ride to the park, he's got both a Lucky Egg and an Incense activated. So if he's consantly buying those, it's not weird that he'd be level 20, though it still must have taken work.

Constantly buying lucky eggs with real money?
#unrelatable

And tbh I shouted "yes Phil!" when he said he didn't want to spend real money on the game. Now, that's relatable!

[hunnyftw]

(I told myself by "I'm back" post would be analytical and deep but it's just ...oh well)

Don't worry about that because your garbage post motivated me to get out of my lurking mode and write a garbage "I'm back" shitpost myself. So actually I own you a big

Of course I've got nothing groundbreaking to contribute, I just want to agree with everybody who loved the video.
My favourite parts that I can quickly recall right now include, but are not limited to:
- Phil chasing a squirrel
- 15:19 Phil's "stop hitting me with your balls" and the way Dan yelled "Phil STOP". Massive bonus: Dan's facial expression and the guy on the bike behind him
- Dan looking GOOD in his outfit
And also:

I loved the video! I personally liked it more than the first, it felt much more vlog-y to me, especially at the beginning.

I wouldn't say I liked it more than the first but I definitely agree with you on the more vlog-y vibe front

Re, the consent thing that evee brought up: I personally feel it similarly to spaceguitar and visiblelurker. My reasoning has just been perfectly explained by visiblelurker Imo the trivializing (mocking?) vs the normalizing explanation is spot on and I definitely feel he's doing the latter.

[starlight-still]

Just saw the latest Deppymon Go, reactions under the cut:

First things first:


Oh hell naw, Phil. Shame on you. Insulting your own grandmother? Now that’s low I mean we knew it was gonna be a toss-up between Team Inflated Sense of Self-Importance and Team Calm-Yo-Tits andactuallyitleakedsoweknew but really? The hate is uncalled for.

That’s it. Un-stanned. Look at my icon. That’s right. I’m angry starlight-still now. I’m not playing with y’all, This is it.






That's right.







I'm walking away.











Hmf.






Sayonara, nerdz.






















Of course, I’m playing Instinct-hate aside, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. It doesn’t hurt that I’m in one of those moods where things have been so rough lately that anything remotely funny sets you off into a fit of giggles. So, happy timing

Nothing too detailed or reflective, just little reactions:

Phil's naming stories, like how his Rattata got called “Jesus"

Phil’s eyes when Dan zoomed in on them and said he should get on that podium and express an opinion........... If I weren't angry!star already I'd be ghost!star again.

I love it when they get that little rivalry going, like when Phil kept catching ones that level 2000 Dan didn’t have and Phil’s name choices I think he was genuinely pissed about the Dratini.

Dan at 6:54 shaking the camera and saying “bye bitch” to the Pidgey, he’s peppier than Phil in this one.

Dan gets so intense and competitive …and that all-black ensemble…

Phil’s a wanderer…he wanders off…he chases squirrels…the Doctor wouldn’t enjoy having him along but it's oddly charming.

Running from the rain…what, are they made of sugar well their outfits are.

All that being said, I’ll change my icon back when we Instinctians get a formal apologyI’m good and ready.

[majitzu]

I need the thumb up button. I agree with visiblelurker too.

[danphil333]

Dan once again teasing phil about opinions.I actually see phil getting better at sharing opinions so lets hope that trend continues!

Certain points in the video they are literally sitting on top of each other and seeing their faces through the reflections of the phone you sometimes see them lean super close. Of course less than 5cm is totally normal #platonic distance

Phil's dainty leg crossing gave me 10 extra years of life. His eyes and 10 second quiff Also his continuous ball jokes and even appreciation for the male butt

The whole video was like two husbands walking through the park. Dans whiny "phil why did you leave me" and Phil's giggle and "sorry" were out of a fucking rom com fight me.

all of this and yes i noticed the dainty leg crossing too and i loved it<3

like everyone i loved the video. the close up on phils eyes (dan loves phils face, he always zooms on those eyes) and the air pushing his hair back phil chasing the squirrel and getting scared (his little jump was so funny). i love how casual phil is with games. he likes playing them but at the same time he couldnt give a shit.
the game itself bored me a bit. i was excited for pokemon go for 2 or 3 days last month.

despite that both the pokemon go videos were a bit disappointing for me because i am GREEDY.
i know its stupid and i have to remind myself its a gaming video. but they remind me so much of a day in a life vlog i want to see them go back to their home/hotel and chill. watch movies, order pizza, sleep, decorate a tree or sth. i miss the more "domestic" part of it. Christmass DITL ruined me basically. my phan-heart needs more (a DITL getting married edition maybe)

regarding the nail-polish debate:

someone else has cracked as you can see

i wanted to post this the moment i saw it. it made me laugh so much(and it wasnt because of Connor)

[ironic]

There's Dan:

and then there's Dan

And here's pure meme material

judging much I love them.

It wasn't a very exciting video but it was pleasant and entertaining enough.

Besides, I really, really, really want Dan's jacket (nah don't tell me how much he's paid for it), it looks great. Much better outfit than the last time. The cosplay thing he's planning to do might be cool tho. Hopefully we'll see it soon, I mean, how long this game is going to be relevant anyway? I'm not at all salty that I can't play it on my phone. Not at all.

[phamnotof]

You can see that even on the ride to the park, he's got both a Lucky Egg and an Incense activated. So if he's consantly buying those, it's not weird that he'd be level 20, though it still must have taken work.

Constantly buying lucky eggs with real money?
#unrelatable

And tbh I shouted "yes Phil!" when he said he didn't want to spend real money on the game. Now, that's relatable!

I *loved* Dan's stingy comment. I love that Phil seems to be that way about spending money. I'm far too charmed by the idea that it's something they tease each other about.

(That being said, I totally spend real money on that game, too, it's just so much fun, and like, level 32, so I feel v comfortable having paid a small amout for a hella lot enjoyment. )

[corn flakes]

Also I didn't really like the video and I am disappointed. Their jokes didn't make me laugh and i didn't think were timed well. I found it kind of cringey. Sorry to be a downer

I found it a little boring, only the last 2/3 minutes were funny for the rest I prefered the first much more.

visiblelurker

Also I loved the jacket.

[Winston]

I've definitely noticed Dan mentioning consent a lot and I've got to say that I dont think he is joking/ mocking the concept. I think he's actually emphasizing the importance of consent. Idk why he's taken to doing this so much, but I think it's a positive effort rather than negative. Weirdly I find it kind of annoying and cringey and very mom-esque

"I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" aren't very serious in my opinion. He's not literally saying "remember kids, consent is important!" He's throwing the word consent around in silly scenarios. I definitely think he's joking around, I don't see either of those uses of the word "consent" to be serious. Please explain how it seems serious to you? I'd love to have a different viewpoint shared because I'd love to stop feeling this way about Dan's use of the word "consent."

First, I completely agree that consent is important and is currently a complex social issue. The way I see it, jokes like this tend to be perceived two ways - either trivializing or normalizing. I don't think either interpretation is inherently wrong but rather is tied to individual experience and context.

On this particular example, I personally fall on the normalizing side of it. "I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" are jokes, but they place the issue of consent at a more basic, simple level that I think acts as a normalizing influence on the overall concept. I didn't explicitly say you could touch or intrude on my personal space, so don't.

I interpret the point of the joke as not trivializing the importance of consent, but rather enforcing the need for it. The way he is saying it is not serious as it is a joke, but in this case I personally don't see it as harmful. That being said, I can see why others would be upset by a complex social issue being reduced to a punchline as I fall on that side of the fence on other issues and in different contexts.

Yes to this! We have to remember that consent is not just with sex/personal space etc but it should be a normal thing and when he uses it like that it just points out that is everywhere. It can be "may I barrow your pencil?" or "may I kiss you?" Etc. Consent should be used all the time but a lot of people don't think about the small stuff. It is just being conscious of other people's feelings no matter how trivial.

Note: I yelled at a guy at work today because of this. I brought in a treat for my upcoming b day and he just walks in my office and opened the box of cupcakes. No, "may I have one?" He does this all the time it just bugs the crap out of me. I'm mean how rude are you. The whole world is not yours for the taking. Seriously....sorry still irritates me...[/rant]

[missemma]

As a big fan of Pokemon Go I'm sorry if my comments on the video are serious! I don't know if I liked the video that much, because I am so addicted to it I wanna see them actually catching the good Pokemon rather than just talking about Pidgey all the time. I know exactly what Dans reaction to catching the Vulpix is like because since the update a lot of the Pokemon run away!
Just a few things I noted during the video:
> Dan complaining about not catching the Dratini. He totally caught it after Phil did and they stopped filming and if he didn't what a sucker seeing as he totally could have done
> Phil explaining to Dan what the insence was, he already knew as Dan has some already going when they were in the uber
> they shouldn't let Phil hold the camera as he's so shakey
> there is no way Dan got to level 20 (& now 24) without spending serious cash on lucky eggs. I downloaded the game when the Australian version landed and am only half way through 23.
> Hyde Park is a Clefairy and Growlithe nest, how didn't they catch any. smh.

[uglyamerican]

I'll type out a more extensive review later but...

Seriously, Dan???
This video was filmed a couple weeks ago, and PGO had the delay release in the UK, so he's had far less time to play than the rest of us. I've been playing since the day it was released and play constantly and I'm only at level 19 (halfway to 20).
He's level 20 in the video (And now he's saying he's level 24???). I regularly walk 3-4 miles when I play so...for a guy with a full career, prepping for tour, a supposed fear of society and the outdoors, and pneumonia, his level is suspicious.

Hold it, people actually walk in LA?

[ravenreyes]

i'm so glad they didn't upload it really late, i really needed that distraction tonight and i really liked the video. like a couple of people said, it felt more vlog-y and i find it so entertaining to just watch them interact. i can't even choose my favorite moment bc there were so many that stood out to me. but lmao at phil just walking away and at salty!dan.

and the conversation about consent is really interesting and important, but i don't have much to add. visiblelurker already said most of what i couldn't put into words. but i don't think there's really a right or wrong way to look at it

also, the pokemon go video really made me want another day in the life video. time to watch the old ones and hope for a new one?

[anathema]

I've definitely noticed Dan mentioning consent a lot and I've got to say that I dont think he is joking/ mocking the concept. I think he's actually emphasizing the importance of consent. Idk why he's taken to doing this so much, but I think it's a positive effort rather than negative. Weirdly I find it kind of annoying and cringey and very mom-esque

"I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" aren't very serious in my opinion. He's not literally saying "remember kids, consent is important!" He's throwing the word consent around in silly scenarios. I definitely think he's joking around, I don't see either of those uses of the word "consent" to be serious. Please explain how it seems serious to you? I'd love to have a different viewpoint shared because I'd love to stop feeling this way about Dan's use of the word "consent."

First, I completely agree that consent is important and is currently a complex social issue. The way I see it, jokes like this tend to be perceived two ways - either trivializing or normalizing. I don't think either interpretation is inherently wrong but rather is tied to individual experience and context.

On this particular example, I personally fall on the normalizing side of it. "I didn't give you consent to touch my joey" and "Squirtle, consent" are jokes, but they place the issue of consent at a more basic, simple level that I think acts as a normalizing influence on the overall concept. I didn't explicitly say you could touch or intrude on my personal space, so don't.

I interpret the point of the joke as not trivializing the importance of consent, but rather enforcing the need for it. The way he is saying it is not serious as it is a joke, but in this case I personally don't see it as harmful. That being said, I can see why others would be upset by a complex social issue being reduced to a punchline as I fall on that side of the fence on other issues and in different contexts.

Yes! And as Winston pointed out, it's also very important to remember that consent isn't just a sexual thing.

[Lurktacularr]

Sorry, just finished wiping up my drool after rewatching Dan in that outfit with windswept hair 30 times on repeat.

Was great. Much married. Very phan. Everything I like.

Back to slobbering...

[blueapple_x]

The video was alright for me. I agree with ironic that it wasn't very exciting but it was pleasant enough.

Can't wait til Dan wears his full costume in a video lol

[Catallena]

Ugh, another kpop react
What are they expecting from the youtubers if they make them react to basically the same thing over and over?

i wish i was subbed to phil so i could unsub them BOTH over insulting keith ape and okasian #killerwhales korean hip hop is way too big of a scene and is way too complex to be given one video to a group of people to laugh over like shit we get it you don't like it and don't get it because is 5% different from what you usually see, calm down jeremy. tbh the same goes for korean music as a whole, gtf with this UGH MORE KPOP like bein from the same country makes it all the same

Oh damn that last sentence, I agree so much. The Fine Bros make some pretty boring choices for what they're gonna show but I'm a bit over people acting like the Korean music industry is just the same thing over and over again. It isn't any worse than Western music in that regard. If your entire view on Kpop is based on these video, maybe stop.

But kpop is not an umbrella term for korean music, it's a genre in itself with its own specific sound. And while i like kpop and hear how different the songs are, i also understand why it would all sound very similar so someone who doesn't like kpop.

I think they tried to make it different by including khiphop, but failed miserabley. They should have made a ytr entirely about khiphop to include some variety to get some more varied opinions. I'm sure there's lots of good music available in that genre.

We even talked about how they could make another kpop react more interesting, for example by going into the working conditions of idols (with the gfriend falling video as an opener), there are so many more interesting angles to this, why do they insist on this oh-how-weird-how-is-this-successful narrative?

absolutely agree that it's patronising how surprised they all are about the success of kpop. english speaking countries only make for a part of the worlds population. Non-western things are popular. There's nothing surprising about that. It's the same with bollywood, why are they always so surprised that other countries have blooming entertainment industries? The whole world listenes to us pop music, but when something foreign is popular in the us, it's a miracle

Really liked isg, but i like the format, so that's no surprise.

Conversation moved on so a spoiler it is.

Oh of course Kpop is not all of Korean music, but people act like there's less musical diversity in the Korean pop genre than there is in the Western genre and that it all sounds the same when that's simply not true. I guess there is a specific sound or format in most kpop songs, but among artists there are so many differences to be found. Like GFriend sounds nothing like AOA, and EXO doesn't sounds like BTS. The list goes on and on. But it's Korean and ~weird~ so people have no problem saying that it's all the same. Nobody would say Adele and Fifth Harmony make the same music just because they both sing in English though . They did try with the musical diversity by bringing in some Khiphop but it wasn't a good choice. I think they should've brought a band in the mix instead like, FT Island, Day6 of even the Wonder Girls as they now have a band concept and are killing it. It wouldn't really stray from the pop genre, but would still show a different type of artist.

And honestly although discussions about the working conditions on idols are interesting, I'm not exactly jumping for the opinions of people ignorant on the subject and who think it's all the same anyway. The Fine Bros are notorious for asking their questions in a pretty biased way so that no one will get out of line anyway. 'This idol got injured but had to keep performing / this idol got stalked by their fans / this idol can't date the other idol because their companies forbid it and their fanbases will go berserk... WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?' The YouTubers will answer with how terrible that is for the idols and that they couldn't imagine going through that. End of episode.

NEW POKÉMON GO VIDEO.

- I thought my city had a lot of Drowzee but then I went to London and those fuckers were everywhere. None of them were strong enough to evolve into a decent Hypno either like wtf.
- Jesus the rat :') Wow Phil.
- Y'all live near plenty of parks... just not actual Hyde Park.
- I miss London. Just for the Pokéstops, lures and slow traffic.
- They're so damn cute together, I hate them.
- 'Phil you need to go there and express an opinion' lmao they're so aware :')
- What's Dan being salty about the Dratini for? Whip out your phone and catch it you dumdum.
- YAAAS TEAM MYSTIC
- Phil is getting distracted by everything today.
- Lol Bellsprout got rekt.
- DanAndPhilArtCritics confirmed as their new side project for 2017.
- Dan complaining to the audience about Phil wandering off reminds me of my mom complaining to me about my dad. Just saying.
- I'm so fucking jealous of them for having a Vulpix.
- Plz don't make us wait this long again for the next one. Film one in Australia of you catching Kangaskhan.

Ahhhh I love these videos so much, what a blessing. The last one was better but this was still great. Keep the mini DITL's coming plz.

I have trouble taking people who actually spend money on these games seriously though. Dan... #TeamStingy

I just wonder why they went to a park again. Was it because parks are prettier to film and/or have less fan interactions? I'm not sure if it's the same for other countries but here the business districts have the most number of pokestops, gym and pokemon. Every office building has at least 1 pokestop.

Hyde Park is excellent for Pokémon Go, many London parks are. Plenty of Pokéstops and Lures. Central London in general is insane, but the crowded streets are annoying while playing so parks are just a lot nicer. Just sit in a spot in the middle of two or three Pokéstops where lots of people are dropping Lures Central London is really their only option for a filming location because they don't wanna make it obvious where they live, so going to Hyde Park makes sense.

[Cora]

Salty rant

Ah, Instinct. The Hufflepuff of the Pokemon World.

There's Dan:

Oh there we go, Dan finally looking like a typical Brit (I kid I kid I kiiiiddd)

I'll type out a more extensive review later but...

Seriously, Dan???
This video was filmed a couple weeks ago, and PGO had the delay release in the UK, so he's had far less time to play than the rest of us. I've been playing since the day it was released and play constantly and I'm only at level 19 (halfway to 20).
He's level 20 in the video (And now he's saying he's level 24???). I regularly walk 3-4 miles when I play so...for a guy with a full career, prepping for tour, a supposed fear of society and the outdoors, and pneumonia, his level is suspicious.

Hold it, people actually walk in LA?

Ever since PGO, yes! People out in the world! Walking! Playing games! Not just standing at cafes and talking about what they do for a living!



And also,

[Cora]

There's also a Horsea he named 'WaterClop' which um.
"Clopping" is what Bronies calling masturbating to MLP.

[SquishPhan]

There's also a Horsea he named 'WaterClop' which um.
"Clopping" is what Bronies calling masturbating to MLP.

Love the names these pokemons are getting.

Also team

[Cora]

Also team

I'm so glad you agree.

[SquishPhan]

Also team

I'm so glad you agree.

I'm feeling so attacked right now.

Still sad that aren't on the best team

[felucca]

Dan & Phil: *films Dan's user info, showing he's Team Mistake*
Also Dan & Phil, over the next 10 minutes: *OOOOH I WONDER WHAT TEAM DAN'S ONNNN - HOW MYSTERIOUS!!1!*


Bit bored by the video but that's because I'm level 20 and they're, as always, so very late.

Also I can't believe they slammed Team Instinct like that - ya'll my bros from other mos.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, Game Theorists made a two-part series about the psychology behind why people pick the Pokémon GO teams they do, and it's pretty cool:

[Cora]

Dan & Phil: *films Dan's user info, showing he's Team Awesome*
Also Dan & Phil, over the next 10 minutes: *OOOOH I WONDER WHAT TEAM DAN'S ONNNN - HOW MYSTERIOUS!!1!*


Bit bored by the video but that's because I'm level 20 and they're, as always, so very late.

Also I can't believe they slammed Team Instinct like that - ya'll my bros from other mos.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, Game Theorists made a two-part series about the psychology behind why people pick the Pokémon GO teams they do, and it's pretty cool:

13 min a piece? Ugghhhhhh.