Dan & Phil Part 24: I got moist for you, Phil

[majitzu]

NarrysCanary! I missed you and your signature gif!

I'll admit that I've missed seeing my signature too and since I recently found back the post in which I found it I thought I could share it with you all : http://wishes-and-stars.tumblr.com/post/149770132101 you're welcome

this post has no contribution whatsoever, ignore it.

Wait, that's Dan? I thought it was from Perks of Being a Wallflower I wondered why he was too cute for me to function

Your signature physically pains me in the best possible way

It is from the video in Pj's channel. The pushover is called I think.

[apathy]

I said it before and I will say it again (and possibly it should be in the conspiracy thread?) that they both wear their hair back when not in front of the cameras more often than not. Which may be why they, Phil especially, keep the fringe. Kind of like actors and costumes.

They definitely do.

I feel like for Phil, the fringe has gotta be around only for branding at this point, not necessarily a costume thing though. He's mentioned so many times about it going away someday, or wanting to get rid of it. Especially in the summer when it's hot. I'm all for whatever he wants to do, don't really care either way personally, but I dread the flood of phandom drama that would happen. He probably does too. If it wasn't such a Thing(tm) I think he would've cut it off years ago.

As opposed to Dan, who's mainly said that he likes looking different to everyone else.

[NarrysCanary]

NarrysCanary! I missed you and your signature gif!

I'll admit that I've missed seeing my signature too and since I recently found back the post in which I found it I thought I could share it with you all : http://wishes-and-stars.tumblr.com/post/149770132101 you're welcome

this post has no contribution whatsoever, ignore it.

Wait, that's Dan? I thought it was from Perks of Being a Wallflower I wondered why he was too cute for me to function

Your signature physically pains me in the best possible way

It is from the video in Pj's channel. The pushover is called I think.

It is from the behind the scenes :

pretty sure the gif thing starts at 0.30

anyway that'll be the last time i'll post about my signature.

I lowkey love killing you all though

[bear]

I don't expect to compete with that kind of eloquence, but maybe this'll do for now:

I think Dan still struggles with insecurities and he's not yet reached a place of absolute self-acceptance - (but who has?). But he really has come so far. He's gone from being so insecure and self-conscious about his hair that he couldn't do a liveshow without incessantly fiddling with it, or even not being able to do one at all without putting a hat on he was so self conscious - and now he's happy walking around with curly hair. I really think he didn't make any promises to wear it like this all the time, and instead suggested it would be 'random' because he is still self conscious and doesn't want that pressure of 'having' to do it if he's not comfortable. But he's still come a long way, and I see it as just a small part of his character development into a person who's comfortable in his own skin, sexuality, views and - indeed - hair


Last liveshow he said something like 'Thank you that is much appreciated' when someone commented on how nice his curly hair looks. To me this just shows that he is finally starting to listen and accept that he doesn't need to be insecure about his natural hair, and maybe it has all finally helped to give him some confidence in himself. He hardly fiddles with it at all anymore in liveshows.

If the phandom has contributed towards one positive thing, it's helping Dan to become more self-accepting, although I'm pleased to see him get there in his own time, on his own terms and using his own strength and courage

Yes, you can all throw up now. Is this my sappiest dangirl post yet? Are there awards for this kind of thing?

I think it was a giant step for Dan to paint his nails, whatever the reason he did it is. And the fact that he's wearing his hair not straightened is so big and it makes me happy. He really is getting more confident. God I'm turning into a sappy dangirl as well. I was always more of a philgirl but Phil's being boring and Dan's being cute so here I am.

There's an award now congrats you're top dangirl (I'm sorry I have no life)

[/quote]
amazing. 10/10

So I was lurking on phanantiproof (I know you lurk on here Ren hi ) and she was talking about how their manager controls (more like suggests) a lot of their actions for them to stay relevant. I know their manager suggests a lot of things for them, but how much do you guys think they listen? Is their manager the one who told them to start shipbaiting? How much does she actually do for them? This has been on my mind for a while.

First off I don’t think they shipbait, so I can’t say anything about that. For the rest though, I don’t buy that anyone is controlling them. Dan and Phil are notorious control freaks, and there is no way they will just listen to a person that is telling them what to do. I really can’t see it. Sure they might have suggestions, but it’s still up to them what to do with that.

But they at least have to listen to a few things they say. Dan and Phil also care very much about their reputation and being relevant. In my opinion, they shipbait a bit, and do a lot of fan service but we won't go into that. But what I'm thinking about is their manager the one who suggests doing certain things to make a certain reaction out of the phandom? How much power does she really have?

I'm watching old radio moments and I'm feeling so nostalgic help.

[koalaselfie]

Part of me is thankful for the Dan curl pic emerging, part of me feels a nagging...feeling that (well partially) a good reason D+P posted pretty much unremarkable things on Twitter/Instagram today is to distract us all from the fact that they haven't uploaded a gaming vid
I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king) but I seriously think they'd benefit from a schedule of sorts. I know I do with my daily tasks, so maybe I'm biased, but say we had a guarantee (like the liveshows!) of at least one DAPG vid a week (Dan even said, low-key at one moment in his last liveshow, that they had a bunch of videos they'd already filmed and just needed to edit, which did impress me), well I would be a lot more invested in my fix, to say the least
(This post is basically a massive paragraph of annoyance over there not being a Friday Sims vid today when they could have filmed Wednesday and spent all day Thursday editing...but then Dan has to go full #distractiontactics with that gorgeous hair close-up )
(What even is this post lol)

[Amelie]

I said it before and I will say it again (and possibly it should be in the conspiracy thread?) that they both wear their hair back when not in front of the cameras more often than not. Which may be why they, Phil especially, keep the fringe. Kind of like actors and costumes. We have glimpses of them caught unawares sometimes and there is the quiff or fringeless. Examples are random from old live shows when one comes in, but not planning on it (i.e.Phil cutting up cardboard), or when they aren't going to be on camera in a video but then accidentally are (i.e. Dan in one of Phil's vids, in a blooper he comes in to scare Phil when he is talking about guy fox) like in a reflection. Also I figure when it's hot, since we have seen pics of Dan fringe free, Jamaica pics and India pics are examples. Also lack of tan line, if he kept it there all the time his forehead would be in theory lighter than the rest of his face, look at latest Snapchat photo. He is a bit tanned from Hong Kong and Australia but his face is all the same shade. I like to think that they have private at home hair, even if it deprives us of some yummy eye candy.

I find that especially in the DITL videos P always seems to have his hair pushed back if he's filming/hasn't been on camera for a while. I really hope he embraces the look more often on camera. I feel like Regina George everytime I see it

[melon lord]

It is from the video in Pj's channel. The pushover is called I think.

It is from the behind the scenes :

pretty sure the gif thing starts at 0.30

anyway that'll be the last time i'll post about my signature.

I lowkey love killing you all though

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Thank you so much! I'd seen this vid before but I totally forgot about it, thank you for reminding me

also here is a blue philgirl ribbon for the phil trash out there

[anathema]

Everyone, you're welcome for me bestowing this beautiful thread name to you.

NarrysCanary! I missed you and your signature gif!

Bluewho I agree with you and our resident 8 legged friend. I think his showing us his true hair is reminiscent of him becoming more and more comfortable within himself. I love that he is finally letting his hair down so to speak, and relaxing a bit. In old live shows I wanted to grab his hands and tell him to freaking relax a little bit, but now it is so much more infrequent, almost dare I say normal hair fussing?

I said it before and I will say it again (and possibly it should be in the conspiracy thread?) that they both wear their hair back when not in front of the cameras more often than not. Which may be why they, Phil especially, keep the fringe. Kind of like actors and costumes. We have glimpses of them caught unawares sometimes and there is the quiff or fringeless. Examples are random from old live shows when one comes in, but not planning on it (i.e.Phil cutting up cardboard), or when they aren't going to be on camera in a video but then accidentally are (i.e. Dan in one of Phil's vids, in a blooper he comes in to scare Phil when he is talking about guy fox) like in a reflection. Also I figure when it's hot, since we have seen pics of Dan fringe free, Jamaica pics and India pics are examples. Also lack of tan line, if he kept it there all the time his forehead would be in theory lighter than the rest of his face, look at latest Snapchat photo. He is a bit tanned from Hong Kong and Australia but his face is all the same shade. I like to think that they have private at home hair, even if it deprives us of some yummy eye candy.

I also remember there's photos floating around somewhere of pictures of them walking around London and Dan has his hair pushed up.

[bear]

I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king)

Lately the interest in dnp in the phandom have gone downhill. On here, on twitter, on tumblr, on anything really and I think they know that. If they continue being boring, everything will go way downhill for them and they'll slowly die in popularity. I actually kind of want this, more honesty, less cringey of a fanbase, dnp will be more genuine, it would be amazing.

[manicpixiedreamgirl]

(Hi long time lurker first time poster blah blah blah)

I think an interesting possibility is that dan is messing with his hair for the reaction he gets from the phandom. If I was him I would be so bored of dealing with the phandom by now. He is in a position with a lot of power and might find it tempting to mess around with it in unharmful ways. I think it's a lot more more likely that he's letting his hair be wavy simply because he likes it that way, but I wanted to share this idea.

I'm not good with words but I tried

[bluewho]

Your signature physically pains me in the best possible way

how many innocent people are you going to kill Narry before you are satisfied??!!1/!?

So I was lurking on phanantiproof (I know you lurk on here Ren hi ) and she was talking about how their manager controls (more like suggests) a lot of their actions for them to stay relevant. I know their manager suggests a lot of things for them, but how much do you guys think they listen? Is their manager the one who told them to start shipbaiting? How much does she actually do for them? This has been on my mind for a while.

First off I don’t think they shipbait, so I can’t say anything about that. For the rest though, I don’t buy that anyone is controlling them. Dan and Phil are notorious control freaks, and there is no way they will just listen to a person that is telling them what to do. I really can’t see it. Sure they might have suggestions, but it’s still up to them what to do with that.

But they at least have to listen to a few things they say. Dan and Phil also care very much about their reputation and being relevant. In my opinion, they shipbait a bit, and do a lot of fan service but we won't go into that. But what I'm thinking about is their manager the one who suggests doing certain things to make a certain reaction out of the phandom? How much power does she really have?

These are all really interesting points and questions being raised.
I do think they 'shitbait' but I don't see as problematic. Also I think it's their choice to do it, although their manager might suggest things to them I can't see the manager having much creative control over them They seem to want to and like doing everything themselves, and they know the phandom probably better than any manager at this point - if anything I think they are probably more likely to be the ones telling the manager what to do, as they are the experts.

Everyone, you're welcome for me bestowing this beautiful thread name to you.

It got my vote

(Hi long time lurker first time poster blah blah blah)

I think an interesting possibility is that dan is messing with his hair for the reaction he gets from the phandom. If I was him I would be so bored of dealing with the phandom by now. He is in a position with a lot of power and might find it tempting to mess around with it in unharmful ways. I think it's a lot more more likely that he's letting his hair be wavy simply because he likes it that way, but I wanted to share this idea.

I'm not good with words but I tried

I think your gut opinion is probably right - I can't see Dan doing anything he doesn't really want to do. I think he's wearing his hair this way because he wants to, and I think he painted his nails because he wants to. I feel like he has a lot of his life controlled by the phandom, he seems to want to take control over everything he can - although he does do things he doesn't want to when he feels he has no choice. I think it's possible he does things to mess with/tease the phandom, but I don't think he would do anything he didn't want to do for this aim. If this makes any sense...?

[koalaselfie]

I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king)

Lately the interest in dnp in the phandom have gone downhill. On here, on twitter, on tumblr, on anything really and I think they know that. If they continue being boring, everything will go way downhill for them and they'll slowly die in popularity. I actually kind of want this, more honesty, less cringey of a fanbase, dnp will be more genuine, it would be amazing.

Thanks for the reply; yeah, I agree about their popularity declining. I guess 'on the surface' things still look rosy to me...but then I recall somebody here mentioning how their most recent PokemonGO video (despite the fact that app's less popular now as it was at the start, etc) took a bit of a while to reach the 'standard' million views mark. That's a good example actually, because I can definitely see, particularly in gaming vids, how D+P seem to just 'drag on' a series way past its 'present intrigue' factor, rather than getting the vids out at least before nearly all of the hype has passed.
However, you have an excellent point in that these videos therefore attract only more familiar fans, rather than people purely searching for say 'Undertale' or 'PokemonGo' on YT, which in turn leads to a more amicable comments section and better general relationship with their audience, rather than churning out videos on the next new thing on a rotor, which might lead to a vague sense of disillusionment between creator and audience...like D+P are only in it for money, etc.
If they keep doing this model, then despite getting more unpopular in a general, YT-sense, they've just got the dedicated fanbase watching them...whether those people are less cringey remains to be seen, though. It might go the other way In which case, high probability D+P will realize their plan (to not become YT drones and still maintain the less cringey members of their audience) has backfired...and then who knows? They could still do a turn towards their more 'genuine' selves in order to attract the less cringey fans back, in which case your hypothesis still works. (Sorry if this doesn't make any sense at all; it's 2am and I'm about to sleep!)
So maybe my small rant at their business ethic is unjustified: they probably know exactly what they're doing, dragging stuff out. It's just pure torture for dopamine-cravers like myself who want my regular D+P fix
But hey, I'll stop whining. All this waiting (nearly 2 months!) just builds up more anticipation for the Dilitha wedding! (Or not...didn't they say they were gonna save up a ton of money and then throw some big amazing debacle? haha)

[daichii]

^october or december weddings, those seem to be their favorite months and i bet they're delaying that on purpose

i'm so bored with them rn tho, i hope the big thing that'll happen in 2-3 weeks gets me back in

i like dan's curls and love phil's hair... anything but super shaved sides is great

[spider]

Dan's wavy hair is so beautiful. Like art. When I saw it I thought of the famous artwork The Great Wave off Kanagawa.



Dan's selfie is The Great Wave off Danagawa.

Anyways, does someone have any good theories about what Dan's curly hair means and how it could be a form of him accepting himself as he is (like Spider!?!?)

You asked for it. Remember that.


Compiled by oqua.

It has not been a month yet since Dan asked should he leave his hair wavy. Not even 1 month since he was not secure enough to decide it so he asked for approval from fans and friends.

Only a few days later he did M & Gs with his wavy hair. Then he made a DAPG video and after coming back from the moist weather he didn't straighten his hair or try to fix it before recording the rest. There have also been more Instagrams with wavy hair and a couple days ago he did a ls with wavy hair.

The ls is important. Remember what it used to be?

Thanks felucca for this collection. If there were 5 minutes in a Dan ls where he didn't touch his hair the world would probably explode.

This is from the ls 1 1/2 months ago.

He kept fixing his hair and touching it. When it started to get curly and people said nice things he couldn't say thank you because he thought it looked bad. He couldn't accept it.

46:16 ''Hi Dan you look lovely today.' I'm going to punch you. Stop it.'
50:04 ''Hi Dan you look great today.' You need to stop bullying me. I just can't believe this.'
52:30 ''Your hair looks great right now.' Uh Nicer Internet can we bring that back?'

In his ls from this week he had wavy hair and when people said nice things he said thank you.

5:22 ''I love your natural hair.' Thanks XBrokenHowlterX.'
21:09 ''You look very lovely with your curls.' Thank you AubreyStop.'
52:00 ''Your hair looks lovely.' Thanks.'

Most important is he almost didn't touch his hair at all. In the beginning he touched it once and after he only touched it to scratch his head. When anyone adjusts their hair they are not happy with it. They don't like how it looks and they want to 'fix' it to make it better. Dan didn't feel like he had to 'fix' how he looked. We all know he looks good but now he is seeing it too. He doesn't get defensive like people are making fun of him when they say nice things. He knows they aren't making fun because he can accept himself.

I want to say Spider your post in the last thread was very eloquent, and everything I wanted to say but articulated well unlike my posts

I don't expect to compete with that kind of eloquence, but maybe this'll do for now:

I think Dan still struggles with insecurities and he's not yet reached a place of absolute self-acceptance - (but who has?). But he really has come so far. He's gone from being so insecure and self-conscious about his hair that he couldn't do a liveshow without incessantly fiddling with it, or even not being able to do one at all without putting a hat on he was so self conscious - and now he's happy walking around with curly hair. I really think he didn't make any promises to wear it like this all the time, and instead suggested it would be 'random' because he is still self conscious and doesn't want that pressure of 'having' to do it if he's not comfortable. But he's still come a long way, and I see it as just a small part of his character development into a person who's comfortable in his own skin, sexuality, views and - indeed - hair


Last liveshow he said something like 'Thank you that is much appreciated' when someone commented on how nice his curly hair looks. To me this just shows that he is finally starting to listen and accept that he doesn't need to be insecure about his natural hair, and maybe it has all finally helped to give him some confidence in himself. He hardly fiddles with it at all anymore in liveshows.

If the phandom has contributed towards one positive thing, it's helping Dan to become more self-accepting, although I'm pleased to see him get there in his own time, on his own terms and using his own strength and courage

Yes, you can all throw up now. Is this my sappiest dangirl post yet? Are there awards for this kind of thing?

Add my post to the sappy Dangirl posts that will make people throw up. Not sorry.

[swofro]

Everyone, you're welcome for me bestowing this beautiful thread name to you.

So, my arch nemesis. You are the one who wins me by ten votes. I'm onto you.


I also want to say how much I love IDB but it is kinda offtopic now. Haha.


for the post, spider I love curly hair Dan. So refreshing.

[bear]

So I was lurking on phanantiproof (I know you lurk on here Ren hi ) and she was talking about how their manager controls (more like suggests) a lot of their actions for them to stay relevant. I know their manager suggests a lot of things for them, but how much do you guys think they listen? Is their manager the one who told them to start shipbaiting? How much does she actually do for them? This has been on my mind for a while.

First off I don’t think they shipbait, so I can’t say anything about that. For the rest though, I don’t buy that anyone is controlling them. Dan and Phil are notorious control freaks, and there is no way they will just listen to a person that is telling them what to do. I really can’t see it. Sure they might have suggestions, but it’s still up to them what to do with that.

But they at least have to listen to a few things they say. Dan and Phil also care very much about their reputation and being relevant. In my opinion, they shipbait a bit, and do a lot of fan service but we won't go into that. But what I'm thinking about is their manager the one who suggests doing certain things to make a certain reaction out of the phandom? How much power does she really have?

These are all really interesting points and questions being raised.
I do think they 'shitbait' but I don't see as problematic. Also I think it's their choice to do it, although their manager might suggest things to them I can't see the manager having much creative control over them They seem to want to and like doing everything themselves, and they know the phandom probably better than any manager at this point - if anything I think they are probably more likely to be the ones telling the manager what to do, as they are the experts.
That's a good point as well. like to run it their way. I don't know what I think,I'm guessing their manager suggests a lot and sometimes they do it and sometimes they don't. They seem like people who work very independently. Like some youtubers have a agent, a certain type of manager, another type of manager, a camera crew, a makeup crew, etc.

I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king)

Lately the interest in dnp in the phandom have gone downhill. On here, on twitter, on tumblr, on anything really and I think they know that. If they continue being boring, everything will go way downhill for them and they'll slowly die in popularity. I actually kind of want this, more honesty, less cringey of a fanbase, dnp will be more genuine, it would be amazing.

Thanks for the reply; yeah, I agree about their popularity declining. I guess 'on the surface' things still look rosy to me...but then I recall somebody here mentioning how their most recent PokemonGO video (despite the fact that app's less popular now as it was at the start, etc) took a bit of a while to reach the 'standard' million views mark. That's a good example actually, because I can definitely see, particularly in gaming vids, how D+P seem to just 'drag on' a series way past its 'present intrigue' factor, rather than getting the vids out at least before nearly all of the hype has passed.
However, you have an excellent point in that these videos therefore attract only more familiar fans, rather than people purely searching for say 'Undertale' or 'PokemonGo' on YT, which in turn leads to a more amicable comments section and better general relationship with their audience, rather than churning out videos on the next new thing on a rotor, which might lead to a vague sense of disillusionment between creator and audience...like D+P are only in it for money, etc.
If they keep doing this model, then despite getting more unpopular in a general, YT-sense, they've just got the dedicated fanbase watching them...whether those people are less cringey remains to be seen, though. It might go the other way In which case, high probability D+P will realize their plan (to not become YT drones and still maintain the less cringey members of their audience) has backfired...and then who knows? They could still do a turn towards their more 'genuine' selves in order to attract the less cringey fans back, in which case your hypothesis still works. (Sorry if this doesn't make any sense at all; it's 2am and I'm about to sleep!)
So maybe my small rant at their business ethic is unjustified: they probably know exactly what they're doing, dragging stuff out. It's just pure torture for dopamine-cravers like myself who want my regular D+P fix
But hey, I'll stop whining. All this waiting (nearly 2 months!) just builds up more anticipation for the Dilitha wedding! (Or not...didn't they say they were gonna save up a ton of money and then throw some big amazing debacle? haha)

No problem! I love having discussions with people. I get what you mean though, they're being boring and that's affecting everyone. If they continue the people who were detected wouldn't be. I kind of hope they realize their plan, if it's that, will backfire because it literally hurts when they do this to us and people are getting fed up and leaving. A few hours ago I freaked out to my friend about this and we've both decided to take it more easy, and to try other things because lately it feels like have lost a certain spark. I really want to be full out trash again so I'm gonna try to not spend my entire day waiting for something to happen with dnp. (Sorry if this made no sense at all,I'm tired)

[Anonymousse]

Thank you Spider,

I know you would be thorough, but I didn't expect this.

Much love, much respect.

[Catallena]

I think I like wavy hair on Dan more than full on curls.

I like the black hair on Phil, he pulls it off soooo well, but I wouldn't object to a quiff. Curly/wavy hair on Dan and a quiff on Phil: just imagine the updated hairy boob sweater. Oh damn now I have an urge to actually buy one just for the future nostalgia.

I like the black on Phil as well (dat contrast with his pale skin hng) but his light eyebrows sometimes bother me. Plz someone teach him to dye them or darken them up a bit with makeup. And he needs to push that hair back, the 'emo' haircut + black hair is doing him less and less favors as time goes by.

I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king) but I seriously think they'd benefit from a schedule of sorts.

Yeah they've grown comfortable and it's gonna bite them in the ass soon enough. Even among the hardcore fandom interest in their content is dwindling. That's never a good sign.

[NarrysCanary]

Spider, I love you and your posts on Dan's hair. I want more please

[bluewho]

From Dan's likes:

Do you think he was paid to like it?

[SquishPhan]

So I was lurking on phanantiproof (I know you lurk on here Ren hi ) and she was talking about how their manager controls (more like suggests) a lot of their actions for them to stay relevant. I know their manager suggests a lot of things for them, but how much do you guys think they listen? Is their manager the one who told them to start shipbaiting? How much does she actually do for them? This has been on my mind for a while.

First off I don’t think they shipbait, so I can’t say anything about that. For the rest though, I don’t buy that anyone is controlling them. Dan and Phil are notorious control freaks, and there is no way they will just listen to a person that is telling them what to do. I really can’t see it. Sure they might have suggestions, but it’s still up to them what to do with that.

But they at least have to listen to a few things they say. Dan and Phil also care very much about their reputation and being relevant. In my opinion, they shipbait a bit, and do a lot of fan service but we won't go into that. But what I'm thinking about is their manager the one who suggests doing certain things to make a certain reaction out of the phandom? How much power does she really have?

I really don't think they have to do anything, unless it's in a contract which they signed (and they are not that stupid).

i'm so bored with them rn tho, i hope the big thing that'll happen in 2-3 weeks gets me back in

I sometimes do not get people in the phandom, people complained about the drought during the USA tour, which I got. But now they are back to their back to posting quite a lot (certainly for them) and we have the live shows back and people are bored. I don't get it. What do you want from them? (genuine question)

From Dan's likes:

Do you think he was paid to like it?

No.

[CallMeAyana]

I know it's been mentioned multiple times, but their sense of planning is awful! Maybe if they didn't have so comfortable a place on YT they'd try harder and upload more frequently (for the moneyz, cough, joe king)

Lately the interest in dnp in the phandom have gone downhill. On here, on twitter, on tumblr, on anything really and I think they know that. If they continue being boring, everything will go way downhill for them and they'll slowly die in popularity. I actually kind of want this, more honesty, less cringey of a fanbase, dnp will be more genuine, it would be amazing.

This.. is so accurate. I have no idea on what they need to do to make themselves appear more interesting, but I hope that the videos that they'll release this week (or was it the next?) would be enough for the content drought that they've served to us for the past couple of months.
I noticed that even the main thread is running pretty slow compared to when they actually upload videos, so..
I hope that the fanbase will keep on-going despite this

[offtopic]I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean?[/offtopic]

[flarequake]

Great in-depth posts about Dan's hair Might watch those 30 mins of hair-touching. I remember feeling surprised by him actually accepting compliments in the liveshow the other day after not just the one quoted above when he couldn't accept them, but also the post-Roast liveshow where he pulled back from praise with some of the worst self-deprecation I've ever seen from him, albeit partly jokey of course .

It's funny how easily they can lose people's interest after how many thousands have been to the show and bought the book, but looking at views and subs those are higher numbers still so when they start to drop, it's both telling and also just maybe not such a huge deal if there are enough dedicated fans. I haven't been as active on Tumblr lately and tbh I don't necessarily notice anyway, too much on my own mind so while both they and this wondrous community are such a comfort, both details and the bigger picture sometimes pass me by until they're pointed out.

As for Phil's hair, also love the black, like his eyebrows just as they are (it's part of him that he keeps them natural), but would be happy as heck for him to embrace the quiff or whatever, he just looks better with it off his face. Free the forehead, Phil, it'll be fine.

[human]

Oh, my. Just wanted to post all of my praise for people and their posts about Dan's wavy hair. Glorious. The wavier it gets the more I bounce happily and think it's just wonderful. I'm all about the self acceptance

Loving the thread name also.

[Catallena]

i'm so bored with them rn tho, i hope the big thing that'll happen in 2-3 weeks gets me back in

I sometimes do not get people in the phandom, people complained about the drought during the USA tour, which I got. But now they are back to their back to posting quite a lot (certainly for them) and we have the live shows back and people are bored. I don't get it. What do you want from them? (genuine question)

They might be back, but the damage has already been done. I think the sudden dwindling interest in D&P and their content among fans is a direct result of all their droughts and bad planning (and predictability maybe). They 'allowed' people to stray and find other fandoms that could be more exciting than the phandom during the USA tour. So when D&P give us new content, which is often predictable like ISG or always the same kid of games on DAPG, people don't care as much as they used to.