Dan & Phil Part 1: The Mods are NOT EXEMPT FROM ANY RULES

[uninspiredbun]

*waves awkwardly* hi
I was only a lurker back at GG and I've never planned on actually saying anything but the withdrawal hit me harder than I thought so I thought I might as well try to join in? This is my first time on a forum in over 10 years I apologize in advance for any mistakes

As for the gaming vid I was actually quite disappointed when I saw it was a flash game (again) but I watched it anyway and I loved it. I kept going back and forth whenever i didn't get a question the first time (which happened quite a lot, I've never heard of this game before) Will defintely watch it again.

[kay]

Hey everyone! Wow this forum loads so much faster lol

I loved the new gaming video. My biased self heard the words "flash game" and almost threw my phone out the window, but it was so fun. Is persona back to being a word? Because I liked how little persona was in this. Phil absolutely killed about 90% of the questions in this and I don't know if I enjoyed that more or the utter joy and proud-ness from Dan every time it happened.

"Don't kill me! I'm young! I've got a lot to live for! I'll save the hedgehogs!"

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I'm not directing this at any of the users here.
I'm mostly thinking of phantaray, and what a negative place it is.

I get the point of the post, but it's a bit all or nothing itself, isn't it? I take it as the person saying that if I have a series of videos I generally don't like as well as others, or one or two videos weren't as enjoyable, I should just stop watching them all together? Maybe that's more than the post intended to be but that I don't agree with. I can like something overall without liking every little bit of it, and not liking some aspects of it doesn't mean I should just drop the interest all together.

[corn flakes]

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I'm not directing this at any of the users here.
I'm mostly thinking of phantaray, and what a negative place it is.

I agree with you. IMO blind worship is bad but at the same time different people think "good content" is something different. For example: some of you have expressed displeasure at the games they play, while IMO someone like Jack Howard would say that it's stupid content (i think, don't attack me) and others like me would say till I'm amused by it I don't care.From this point of view we can take also the eternal debate between the P or D fans. Having said that; asking something better from a yt that you know has done something better and expressing your criticism in an educated manner is not bad, it only turns for the worst when you are a prick that has to always say something bad about them and not learn to let it go.

I have also a question: I have noticed that phantaray has taken a serious turn for the worst and recently they said that they don't care anymore for D&P. Now they are (from what I think) an important part of the Phandom, much like danisnotonfirevyou1, if their blog closed do you think that there will be some sort of repercusions on the fans numbers? I'll try to be more clear: on gg it was discussed that a big part of D&P fans probably was there also for the sense of community and how certain things helped surely to retain the audience...so if some of them closed it would affect them?

Edit: after a whole day only now I found the edit button

[mez29]

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I'm not directing this at any of the users here.
I'm mostly thinking of phantaray, and what a negative place it is.

Yeah, this comes across as a bit of a black-and-white view to me. We can find elements to criticise and still enjoy their content overall. It's important to strike a balance. But if someone doesn't like any of their material, it seems a bit weird for them to watch it (unless it's masochism)

I love playing flash games myself so I don't mind them playing those, but depends on the game - loved 'can you pet' as well (I mean last night I discovered 'rusty lake's' games and damn that 'cube escape: birthday' one messed up my brain honestly. that story I wouldn't mind and would love to see them playing something short and creepy like that for halloween. They honestly don't have to play long games if maybe they fear that it will eat up a lot of their time to film and edit. There are short games with good stories too. Maybe it's just me enjoying creepy games like Silent Hill PT. Although I enjoy the reactions to suspense, I agree with people that already mentioned it - I need less screaming from Dan - it hurts my ears...

I LOVE those Rusty Lake games. I am generally flash game trash to be honest but you're right, it would be the perfect material for them, just the right length for a self-contained video.

[spaceguitar]

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I'm not directing this at any of the users here.
I'm mostly thinking of phantaray, and what a negative place it is.

I agree with you. IMO blind worship is bad but at the same time different people think "good content" is something different. For example: some of you have expressed displeasure at the games they play, while IMO someone like Jack Howard would say that it's stupid content (i think, don't attack me) and others like me would say till I'm amused by it I don't care.From this point of view we can take also the eternal debate between the P or D fans. Having said that asking something better from a yt that you know have done something better and expressing your criticism in an educated manner is not bad, it only turns for the worst when you are a prick that has to always say something bad about them and not learn to let it go.

I have also a question: I have noticed that phantaray has taken a serious turn for the worst and recently they said that they don't care anymore for D&P. Now they are (from what I think) an important part of the Phandom, much like danisnotonfirevyou1, if their blog closed do you think that there will be some sort of repercusions on the fans numbers? I'll try to be more clear: on gg it was discussed that a big part of D&P fans probably was there also for the sense of community and how certain things helped surely to retain the audience...so if some of them closed it would affect them?

I wish that I could thank, but instead I'll just say that I think you captured exactly what I meant. I totally agree. There are people like Jack and Dean, who objectively are creative and don't do stupid things like flash games. Yet no one here really (that I've seen) likes their sketches.
This is generally how I feel about a lot of short film youtubers: there's no substance to what they put out.
So, yeah. I'm relatively happy w/ the D+PGames content.

[shezza]

I have also a question: I have noticed that phantaray has taken a serious turn for the worst and recently they said that they don't care anymore for D&P. Now they are (from what I think) an important part of the Phandom, much like danisnotonfirevyou1, if their blog closed do you think that there will be some sort of repercusions on the fans numbers? I'll try to be more clear: on gg it was discussed that a big part of D&P fans probably was there also for the sense of community and how certain things helped surely to retain the audience...so if some of them closed it would affect them?

I have to be honest with you, i've been in the "phandom" (urgh how i hate that word) for a bit now, and i've never even heard of phantaray! none of the 400+ deppy related blogs i follow on tumblr have ever mentioned her, so why/how do you think it would affect the phandom in any way?
Looking at your comparison with dinofvyou1 though, I don't think it will affect the fandom as a whole, because while I'm super sad that they've decided to leave (why? I need answers!)- it doesn't affect my D&P watching experience. It's a welcome addition (that I honestly miss more than expected, much like this forum), but it doesn't take away from the original intend of me watching deppy- which is deppy & their chemistry, much more than the community

[Cheeseandpickles]

They have too many people watching their videos to try and please everyone. Ultimately putting videos on youtube is about, or at least should be about, doing what makes them happy as creators. The people who watch their videos will change over the years that's how it goes.

[boredtears]

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I agree with you. IMO blind worship is bad but at the same time different people think "good content" is something different. For example: some of you have expressed displeasure at the games they play, while IMO someone like Jack Howard would say that it's stupid content (i think, don't attack me) and others like me would say till I'm amused by it I don't care.From this point of view we can take also the eternal debate between the P or D fans. Having said that; asking something better from a yt that you know has done something better and expressing your criticism in an educated manner is not bad, it only turns for the worst when you are a prick that has to always say something bad about them and not learn to let it go.

[offtopic]Jack Howard got thoroughly dragged for his pretentious stance on youtube content by a smaller youtuber and it was glorious
[/offtopic]

http://www.gadgette.com/2016/03/10/this ... ighs-15kg/
If this is the egg that got given to d&p, which isn't even available for purchase, then damn, can I have their job already? chocolate fiend sorry

If it feels super fan service-y (office stares, pandering to the tumblr aesthetic) then I tend to feel a twinge of annoyance, but most of the time it sucks me in tbh - they know what they're doing. I'm curious, would you classify this moment as massive fan service, or just Dan being weird as f*ck?

[Lari]

Some people will love a video and others will hate it, different tastes and different opinions. you can never please everyone.

[Kurapika]

You know what would be a fun game for them to play? Room escape ones. There's tons online, it's not that hard, specially when there's two people doing it. And they play it in real life all the time, so they must know how it works.
Fun, easy, fast, entertaining.

And I'm sorry, but The Impossible Quiz, Akinator, Chimbot...aren't games, they're websites that are fun the first few times and then get annoying. I watch D&P because I like them as people, and I usually enjoy their content, but I'm not gonna sit down while they upload videos like these and repeat "They do it for us" over and over.

[corn flakes]

I have also a question: I have noticed that phantaray has taken a serious turn for the worst and recently they said that they don't care anymore for D&P. Now they are (from what I think) an important part of the Phandom, much like danisnotonfirevyou1, if their blog closed do you think that there will be some sort of repercusions on the fans numbers? I'll try to be more clear: on gg it was discussed that a big part of D&P fans probably was there also for the sense of community and how certain things helped surely to retain the audience...so if some of them closed it would affect them?

I have to be honest with you, i've been in the "phandom" (urgh how i hate that word) for a bit now, and i've never even heard of phantaray! none of the 400+ deppy related blogs i follow on tumblr have ever mentioned her, so why/how do you think it would affect the phandom in any way?
Looking at your comparison with dinofvyou1 though, I don't think it will affect the fandom as a whole, because while I'm super sad that they've decided to leave (why? I need answers!)- it doesn't affect my D&P watching experience. It's a welcome addition (that I honestly miss more than expected, much like this forum), but it doesn't take away from the original intend of me watching deppy- which is deppy & their chemistry, much more than the community

Sorry, apart from gg I don't really know well other mediums so I thought tha Phantaray was relatively relevant. But anyway it could be that I'm speaking from what my personal experience: frankly they don't have a good uploading schedule, sometimes they post lots of content and others we will be in drought, so without some sort of input casual viewers or short attention span people like me could be lost.

Boredtears I saw that video and loved it Anyway maybe I'm strange but if that sweater found its way in my possesion I would do that to all of my friends.

[trashqueen]

You know what would be a fun game for them to play? Room escape ones. There's tons online, it's not that hard, specially when there's two people doing it. And they play it in real life all the time, so they must know how it works.
Fun, easy, fast, entertaining.

And I'm sorry, but The Impossible Quiz, Akinator, Chimbot...aren't games, they're websites that are fun the first few times and then get annoying. I watch D&P because I like them as people, and I usually enjoy their content, but I'm not gonna sit down while they upload videos like these and repeat "They do it for us" over and over.

ohhhh, i've never thought about that! now i really want them to play a room escape game, and those are flash games so c'mon dan and phil those fit your channel perfectly

and i still need them to play keep talking and nobody explodes, they have played it now on the react channel, i hope that brings the game into their attention (if they haven't know about it already)

and life is strange
and until dawn
i'm gonna shut up now

[daphenaxa]

Ok I wanna talk a bit about the fan service bc it seems my take is a bit different. As someone said, fanservice can be anything that makes fans happy. So if we go to Dan and Phil, posting videos, tweets, instagram pics is gonna be fanservice even if it's obviously to deppy's best interest as well.
However when we talk about fanservice for them it's usually always really specifically about domesticity and touching and the idea of phan in general. I have never seen someone saying that Dan doing shots in his shower for videos was fanservice when typically showing skin can be classified as such.
So that very specific fan demand colours everything they do and I think it's in this condition that I think Deppy don't do fanservice as in manipulation of their actions or at least not really. Think about it, they are SO AWARE of this fan craving for phan that they are actually damned if they do deliver and they are damned if they don't.
They first begun responding to that fan demand by avoiding contact in an attempt to calm the phan expectations but it didn't work and it is not viable in the long term with them also maintaining that they are absolute best friends.
So what they did was that they let physical contact slip back into the content. And it was only a bonus for them as fans are crazy about it. So in a way, yeah I agree it's fan service but it's not a manipulation of the way they naturally act. For example, I have absolutely no doubt that Phil asks Dan to feel his heart or smell his skin etc... on a daily basis. We have seen it multiple times on the radio or in videos and I dont think that is something they are doing specifically for the cameras. A lot of fans think those actions are fanservicy because they would be manipulations of the way they acts. I dont think they are, I think that's the way they would act privately. But since they know fans are gonna love it and link it to phan, that's when the change operates. Instead of normally doing it, Dan will watch into the camera deadpan or make a sarcastic remark of "that's what I have to live with guys" because it's putting the whole action on anothe level. It's like in Dan's video about the 3rd level of irony. Here when they do it, they are saying yeah we do this and we know that you love it and you know that we know that you love it. It's kind of a mise en abyme of the fanservicey moment. And that's why i dont think it's bad fanservice as in manipulation of actions to fit with what people want. I think that is an acknowledgment that they know people are gonna take those touches or innuendos or whatever and make them fit into their phan speculations.
What was interesting in that last videos is that they didn't bring that awareness level. They did the actions that they would usually emphatise as "fanservice" but didn't emphatise them and just kept going naturally.
But yeah that's why for me, the kind of "fanservice" they did never annoyed or irritate me because I saw it as something natural in their interactions but that they emphasised so much to make their audience aware of their awareness and kinda in in the joke.
Not sure I can explain better. I hope u understand my idea

[majitzu]

If it feels super fan service-y (office stares, pandering to the tumblr aesthetic) then I tend to feel a twinge of annoyance, but most of the time it sucks me in tbh - they know what they're doing. I'm curious, would you classify this moment as massive fan service, or just Dan being weird as f*ck?

I don't think that is fanservice.

Fanservice topic:
I mean for me fanservice is doing something you would normally not do to make your audience happy. So while D&P actions may be sometimes over exagerate is still they normal behaviour.

So everytime you said they are doing fanservice I roll my eyes, and that's why I've been avoiding the topic.

GG is still down, I'm having a little fun going trough the comments and you can see the people starting discussing there their gossips... thanks god for this forum

[Gemini]

You know what would be a fun game for them to play? Room escape ones. There's tons online, it's not that hard, specially when there's two people doing it. And they play it in real life all the time, so they must know how it works.
Fun, easy, fast, entertaining.

Do you mean games like The Room? As I think it's a good game with amazing graphics compared to other IOS/Android games. I think it's even on steam now.

I'd personally love a Dan vs Phil on the Kinect. Kinect adventures or for something funnier Hole in the Wall. It would be like the Yoga challenge. Or maybe even a Mario Party as long as it's not 9. What about Mario maker and they'd have to design levels for each other. What about something different? Games don't have to mean computer. They have tons of board games.

[Kurapika]

You know what would be a fun game for them to play? Room escape ones. There's tons online, it's not that hard, specially when there's two people doing it. And they play it in real life all the time, so they must know how it works.
Fun, easy, fast, entertaining.

Do you mean games like The Room? As I think it's a good game with amazing graphics compared to other IOS/Android games. I think it's even on steam now.

Kind of, although The Room is great as well!!!! But if you just google "room escape game" you can find tons of it. There are some very easy one, with simple graphics, and others that have a story and shit. I think it's a nice idea.

[somelikeitpink]

I think in a weird twisted kind of way.. We will never get to see the games they ACTUALLY enjoy playing. We will never see Dan play guild wars or a board game.

Mainly because in a way for them that's personal. Something they - Dan and Phil and not dinof and ap - enjoy.

They're not like other gamers who started out unknown and if they played something they liked it was just accepted. Everything they're gonna do will be scrutinised and that was there from the beginning on.. So having something you actually enjoy in your spare time judged might keep them from doing it

[daphenaxa]

Omg I agree an escape room would be amazing!!

Also as much as I enjoyed this last video, I hope they don't make a series out of it. The novelty effect and the surprise of the random answers + them being good at it would wear off pretty quickly. I think a 1time thing was enough!

[SquishPhan]

Hi everyone,
Really glad to have found this place. Keep up the good work people.

I knew there wasn't going to be a baking video, and yet still wound up disappointed that I was right. The danandphilgames video, made up for it though. Really enjoyed it. I agree with those who said that it was nice to see how well Phil did at it, and Dan praising him was sweet. I wouldn't mind them doing another one of these, as long as I get some Undertale in between.

[IzzySmi]

I loved the new gaming vid, I'd never heard of the Impossible Game but it looked like a lot of fun .
I do hope they start playing some of the creepier games, I really like those videos. Although Dan sure does scream loud .

I must stop looking for the like button for posts.

[kooshka]

Dang I'm happy I happened to check the comment section on the gg post! I've been having serious withdrawals from not lurking. Very happy I won't have to use that site anymore, so thanks to the people who are responsible for creating this forum! Also hi.

And since I feel awkward not saying anything else, I decided to give in my 2 cents about the current quality of their channels. I'm probably just going to say stuff that have been discussed to death so much they're already well decomposed but eh. Mm. SO. The problem for me personally is that they made the D&PG channel because "we're already gaming so much lolz why not film it". It does not represent their current material. Simple flash games and the constant Dil vids are an easy way out, they play better games on their free time but those are harder material for a youtube channel so they don't even try to film those. They require more editing, more time to play, it's harder to make the commentary interesting. I mean, I don't mind the occasional Sims/flash game vid, they're entertaining in moderation I admit, but I have lost absolutely all of my interest in the channel after they switched to playing just those. I'm going to treat D&PG as a gaming channel and those type of games are OK for someone who does that shit professionally and daily, since they also do serious gaming and they take their audience seriously.

The current state just screams lazyness. And the worst part is that they know they'll get away with it by providing more fanservice. It feels like that is the whole point of the channel rn, to see them doing ~phan things~, and they don't really seem too sorry about it. They are catering to the younger audience which is the easy way out, they're much less demanding in terms of quality. Which brings me to my second point. The more they do stuff that'll entertain the younger audience, the less inspiring making videos is going to be. Sure, it's easy, but there is absolutely no challange there and it's going to start to get annoyng to play a kids tv show host when you're an adult and have little less in common with the audience in real life. And this isn't really about just D&P, just Youtube in general, but you can tell that they're both a bit uninspired at the moment, and it could be blamed on that.

(I'm also a bit biased on this subject since it's been happening to almost all of my fav youtubers, especially in my local YT scene - here, it's pretty much just either children's after school special shows, and while I like watching vids in my own language it makes you question stuff when your feed is people telling you how to prepare for your first perioids it doesn't help that the "adult" channels are pretty much just old hairy alcoholics drinking vodka and making disgusting food lmao)

I didn't even realize there could be a new baking video, and now I'm depressed over something I didn't even expect I'm gonna go and rewatch the chocolate nest vid to feel better.

[Cheeseandpickles]

I liked their last video.

I swear Dan has said people who aren't gamers won't be into watching a series with a more involved game. They are capable of keeping up the discussion and the interaction to keep the not gamers watching. Selling themselves short or that isn't the amount of effort they planned to put into the channel.

Off topic with Jesss announcing her pregnancy I was like oh they called this and went to check and the board is still down.

[alittledizzy]

I think in a weird twisted kind of way.. We will never get to see the games they ACTUALLY enjoy playing. We will never see Dan play guild wars or a board game.

Mainly because in a way for them that's personal. Something they - Dan and Phil and not dinof and ap - enjoy.

They're not like other gamers who started out unknown and if they played something they liked it was just accepted. Everything they're gonna do will be scrutinised and that was there from the beginning on.. So having something you actually enjoy in your spare time judged might keep them from doing it

That is such a good point. And really, I don't blame them too much for wanting to preserve their enjoyment of some things. Dan and Phil both seem very keen on keeping things that are genuine to them off-screen. They have lines they won't cross for the sake of (and how close as we to this being in the same category of non-word as persona?) fanservice. (And isn't it just too damn sweet how many of those things they won't show or go too into on-camera have to do with each other? Or, alternately, too damn co-dependent. But I prefer sweet.)

[akui]

Thoughts on this post on phantaray?

► Honestly if people don't like D&P's content they should just stop watching them. Whether they make crappy face-swap challenges or isg's people still love them bc they are funny, weird and relatable and amazing. Youtube is created for people to post anything they like so I don't get why they should be criticized for their content. The whole thing of posting 'good content' completely ruins the whole point of Youtube. So I say D&P should keep doing what they're doing

Personally, I'm a little bit , but I also find myself agreeing a little bit. Of course I like constructive criticism, but i definitely feel this way when people get super all or nothing, or snobby about D+P's content.

I think it's because what deems "good content" and what isn't, is a very subjective thing, isn't it?

Just look at this forum, everybody have different opinions on what Deppy should do to improve their channel. I appreciate constructive criticism and I appreciate people here in this forum, because we can make a logical argument of what we subjectively want D&P to do instead of demand D&P to do pointless thing to please us. I saw what they post on tumblr about phandom twitter trends on Phil's 10 year anniversary, and they were all like "get a dog""wear nail polish""wear pastel" and I was like talking about things D&P like, yeah... I personally see the "all or nothing" as a ways of showing my affection and love of D&P, not snobbishness, it's just I see their potentials, I know they can do better, so I put higher expectations on them and wish they can achieve more. (Asian mom syndrome and proud)

As for good game and good gaming video, I think they are not always causality to each other, good game don't always have good commentating, and good game commentators don't always depend on a good game. Game commentating is about combing the game itself and the personality of the commentator to create a whole new way to experience game, sometimes the game itself not very appealing, but the commentator's personality and approach and help hide it, rebrand it or even elevate it. I think the new video is a good example of Dan and Phil rebranding this stupid quiz game. They've turned a crappy, time wasting, pointless, stupid early internet age viral game into a fun challenge of two biffles working together towards the same goal. I give them a success.

Jack Howard may not approve it, but Jack Howard doesn't know much about dialecticalism.

[daichii]

The thought of them never playing things they actually enjoy is highly depressing.

I realized a long time ago that them being so aware of the audience means they will forever have the glooming notion that they have to be entertaining for our sake (even though we enjoy them the most when they're just being themselves) and that's not something they might ever get rid off which makes the gaming videos more straining for them than what they might have had in mind when they started the channel.

I'm gonna stop, I'm already sad enough by the lack of video/ls today

I don't like discussing things on tumblr. I hate the format of reblogging or sending multiple asks to have a conversation. Tumblr is where I shamelessly like thousands of pics/memes/gifs about them almost 20,000 likes since I joined the fandom last year, I should get a life :')