Dan & Phil Part 3: Abs and Angst

[jhamba]

Re oqua, rizzo

I have nothing valuable to contribute to the conversation, i just thought it's kind of hypocritical that when he was less less popular than Phil he fought against the idea of duo now he is more popular than phil he embrace the duo branding with open arms.

Soz for being cynical today i woke up wrong.

This is true, but I don't see why it's such a bad thing?

I mean, when he was less popular, he could easily have been perceived as someone who only got popular because a famous yter was backing him, and, distancing himself from Phil made sense in that context. Now that he's more established, he can be confident that he's popular because of his own talent, not because of Phil. Phil became popular independent of Dan, so he can easily be more secure about playing sidekick to Dan, and being the less popular member of the duo.

And, being attached to Phil at that point would have helped Dan a lot, professionally, and he knew it. That's partly why he was so opposed. But, Phil takes the chance to be attached to a more popular youtuber without any qualms, which could make someone side eye him.

Not that he's doing something wrong. They have a very symbiotic relationship, and one would not exist as famous people without the other.

[spider]

Re oqua, rizzo

I have nothing valuable to contribute to the conversation, i just thought it's kind of hypocritical that when he was less less popular than Phil he fought against the idea of duo now he is more popular than phil he embrace the duo branding with open arms.

Soz for being cynical today i woke up wrong.

When he was less popular than Phil he was trying to prove himself as a Youtuber by not riding on Phil's coattails. Now that he's more popular he wants to work together and make sure Phil isn't left behind. Don't see how this is hypocritical.

I find it strange how different men and women are treated when it comes to sexuality.

- A woman hugs and kisses another woman.
- A woman comments saying another woman is sexy or has a nice butt.
Nobody would then say she's a lesbian or bi, they just appreciate a woman's beauty.

- A man hugs and kisses another man.
- A man comments saying another man is sexy or has a nice butt.
He must be gay or bi, because he cant be straight and appreciate other men.

I also don't understand the need to label yourself.

Like it or not this is the social norm and D&P are aware of it especially after the anti phan years. They are also aware that their audience is aware of it. They know what they are doing and they know how it will be understood when they go out of their way to say a man is attractive. It's unrealistic to think it's unequal to judge men and women differently when they talk about the attractiveness of their own gender.

Label yourself or don't. That's your choice. Other people can make that choice for themselves.

It is too easy to make the connection to . Can't stop looking at the lip touch

[manged]

I'm running on lack of sleep so some of this may not make sense.

Trust me, sis. I don't think the lack of sleep is what's to blame for this head-scratcher.

I'm not a mod or anything, but maybe those of you who'd like to share how society is deteriorating because you can't be bothered to learn new words and young people are trying to figure themselves out can make a new thread about it. This site could really use even more discussion threads, if you ask me.

[jhamba]

I'm running on lack of sleep so some of this may not make sense.

Trust me, sis. I don't think the lack of sleep is what's to blame for this head-scratcher.

I'm not a mod or anything, but maybe those of you who'd like to share how society is deteriorating because you can't be bothered to learn new words and young people are trying to figure themselves out can make a new thread about it. This site could really use even more discussion threads, if you ask me.

[Anonymousse]

Oqua, You made unwritten rule of putting images and videos under spoilers, and yet you don't follow that, tsk tsk.

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

[clarinetupmyass]

Yay, new updated angles from all over the house to analyse the shiz out of!

I'm slightly surprised by the amount of cooking books they own. And the organised spice containers really warms my heart and soul.

What are those skull things btw, I have a distinct memory that I have seen them before but I can't for the life of me remember where?

Oooo whenever I go over to someones house I always find myself venturing over to their cookbooks.

I see Nigella, Jamie, 'My Italian Family' ( ), 'Juice' (nice )... but what excites me most is 'Plenty More', which is an epic vegetarian cookbook.. possibly inspiration for Dan's mediterranean vegetables Still gives me hope that vegan Dan will rise again - Thug Kitchen is a great cookbook for anyone interested in veg cooking that doesn't taste like grass, dishwater or tree bark

p.s these emojis are slaying me

[jhamba]

Oqua, You made unwritten rule of putting images and videos under spoilers, and yet you don't follow that, tsk tsk.

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

lol, does the black haired blue eyed character with the angular face not look enough like Phil to you?

[missemma]

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

Ive seen that on tumblr;

Credit: michahowellcollins

[Anonymousse]

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

Ive seen that on tumblr;

Credit: michahowellcollins

I need umh.. A gif...

If nobody makes it I s2g I'm making one myself.

[jhamba]

If nobody makes it I s2g I'm making one myself.

do it

[madmadmad]

Oh Dan. I wonder if he was kind of lying in those answers, or if he really did once hate the idea of being a double act, but grew to accept/embrace it over the years. Thoughts?

Well, rather than him hating being a double act with Phil, I think it was more like he did not consider himself to be in a double act with Phil because at the time he answered those questions, the only thing he did with Phil was SAP which he probably only considered to be a side project. So his distaste for the expression was more like he felt that it was wrongly used about him and Phil. From his answers, it mostly seems like he was annoyed with all the drama of people arguing about which of their videos was better or like he said in another answer concerning "dangirls", that he was annoyed at people getting bashed for only liking one of them.

I mean, to some extent he probably was slightly annoyed at people lumping him together with Phil in a double act because he did not like the idea of being associated with Phil too closely. Since Dan seems to have a lot of pride in the content he uploads to Youtube and has always put his content very high in quality and creativity (whether or not his content really is that revolutionary is another matter...), I feel like he might have taken offence at some people on especially maybe tumblr only liking him when he is together with Phil and only wanting to see him interact with Phil.

What are those skull things btw, I have a distinct memory that I have seen them before but I can't for the life of me remember where?

http://www.drinkfinder.co.uk/blog/spirits/kah-tequila/

Maybe it's just because tequila is my very own "delete memory" button, but this exchange to me was priceless!

Oops, should I be worried about my habits? What else have I forgotten?

[offtopic]ugh, tequila... while i appreciate the ritual associated with drinking the shiz, why would you wanna spend money on that stuff, esp in my country of ridiculously overpriced alcohol[/offtopic]

[oqua]

I also don't understand the need to label yourself. I've seen (mostly teenage) girls saying in their posts on Tumblr about how sexy and hot certain male celebs are and that they want to marry them, have their babies etc. Only to go onto their profiles and see things like "I'm a 15 year old genderfluid, asexual lesbian with pansexual tendencies that's sometimes bicurious." And I'm all, "Uh. . .?" It sometimes seems a lot of these labels are turning into some kind of fad. If you just say you're straight, gay or bi then you're not special and unique. I also think that by doing this they're just making it harder for the people who really are genderfluid, trans, pans etc.

I know you're exaggerating for effect, but I think that when people describe their romantic/sexual preferences and gender identities on tumblr, they are actually quite careful about it. They are describing themselves after all, and generally when people choose to apply labels to themselves they take those labels very seriously. I doubt they would use outright contradictory labels. That being said, it is totally possible to be genderfluid + asexual, or genderfluid + pansexual. And it's possible to be asexual and to want to get married and have babies??!?! It's possible to be asexual and to call people sexy and hot? I don't see the point of judging people for how they label themselves, and it seems very rude to dismiss it as them trying to get attention or follow a fad or be cool.

It is too easy to make the connection to . Can't stop looking at the lip touch

Same. Just look at how gently and lovingly he does it.

[missemma]

Yay, new updated angles from all over the house to analyse the shiz out of!

I'm slightly surprised by the amount of cooking books they own. And the organised spice containers really warms my heart and soul.

What are those skull things btw, I have a distinct memory that I have seen them before but I can't for the life of me remember where?

I am in love with those tequila bottles, sugar skulls are so pretty. I have been lusting after the big ones for a while but they're like £45 and as much as I like tequila, just no.

I'm like you, I love when there are new angles of their home to look at. They have such a well organised flat.

[trashqueen]

People need to learn what malice and true oppression and phobia are. It's not helpful to your movement to attack your allies, and turn enemies of the uninformed. You do not change minds with anger,and accusations. And as a side note, I often find that many times those throwing around terms like ___phobic never bothered to stop and check if the person they were arguing with is in fact a cisgendered straight person either.

..ok ok, I swear I'm dropping this topic now.

lol are you shading me? (no need to answer that since you're obviously gonna deny it) i had no way to figure out your sexuality by your profile on here and i apologized when u told me i was wrong ffs

I find it strange how different men and women are treated when it comes to sexuality.

- A woman hugs and kisses another woman.
- A woman comments saying another woman is sexy or has a nice butt.
Nobody would then say she's a lesbian or bi, they just appreciate a woman's beauty.

- A man hugs and kisses another man.
- A man comments saying another man is sexy or has a nice butt.
He must be gay or bi, because he cant be straight and appreciate other men.

I also don't understand the need to label yourself. I've seen (mostly teenage) girls saying in their posts on Tumblr about how sexy and hot certain male celebs are and that they want to marry them, have their babies etc. Only to go onto their profiles and see things like "I'm a 15 year old genderfluid, asexual lesbian with pansexual tendencies that's sometimes bicurious." And I'm all, "Uh. . .?" It sometimes seems a lot of these labels are turning into some kind of fad. If you just say you're straight, gay or bi then you're not special and unique. I also think that by doing this they're just making it harder for the people who really are genderfluid, trans, pans etc. And if you say something that is in noway hateful or dismissive of somebodies sexuality, instant, "You're a _phobe." I think some of that has to do with people becoming far too PC nowadays. Always reminded me of this gay guy I used to work with when I was in my 20's. Never did any work or try to push his work onto others. When he was fired he tried to sue the company for being homophobic, even though it was his lack of work ethic and not his sexuality that had gotten him fired. I dunno this world be crazy nowadays, cant we just love who we love and that be that. (Unless it's a very inappropriate love in a pedo or incest way).

I'm running on lack of sleep so some of this may not make sense. And this is not meant to be taken in an offensive way.

the fact that queer women get erased and have to more or less scream from a rooftop that they are gay to be believed (and even then people insist that they just need to meet the right man) and that straight men feel oppressed by the social construct of masculinity are both bad things, none of those are an advantage of any type

that being said i feel like dan's comment go beyond an aesthetic appreciation but you're allowed to interpret them differently of course

now regarding labels, congratulations for not needing them, some people do or at least feel more comfortable using them, it doesn't affect your life at all, let people live

'cant we just love who we love and that be that' not that easy when people still get killed for it, or in less extreme cases feel generally miserable about something they have no control over thanks to other people in their lives, that's why labels are nice sometimes, to know that you're not the only one going through shit

i'm all for a perfect world where everyone is equal and labels (and communities, because newsflash that's what labels are) are not needed, but we're far from that

that being said, i'm gonna give it to you that some people on their early teens on tumblr use a lot of labels, and i'm also an old(er lmao im just 20) person who doesn't get the need to be that specific (cis bi female, that's all of them for me), but they're not hurting anyone, and you have no way to know if these kids are 'faking it', so i'm inclined to believe them, if being extremely specific about their sexuality and gender makes them happy then i think it's great

now i'm gonna go and come back when there's a new topic because this topic makes me always angry frustrated and uncomfortable and it's not what i'm here for

ps: oqua
god i really miss the thanks button

[Anonymousse]

If nobody makes it I s2g I'm making one myself.

do it

I think I will

[DryCereal]

Re oqua, rizzo

I have nothing valuable to contribute to the conversation, i just thought it's kind of hypocritical that when he was less less popular than Phil he fought against the idea of duo now he is more popular than phil he embrace the duo branding with open arms.

Soz for being cynical today i woke up wrong.

When he was less popular than Phil he was trying to prove himself as a Youtuber by not riding on Phil's coattails. Now that he's more popular he wants to work together and make sure Phil isn't left behind. Don't see how this is hypocritical.

This. If you wanted to be cynical about it (and I don't, I get more of a "it slips out when I'm less careful" or "I want to be proud of my friend/partner/lover/Philly and tell people how awesome he is" vibe from it) you could say that either time they promote/namedrop each other it benefits both of them, due to the thing. But hypocritical? No. If, OTOH, he'd name-dropped Phil every chance he got until he surpassed his subscriber count, then zipped it, then you'd have a point...

Sunday night content deluge. You'd have thought he'd have dropped the videos this evening cos no radio... instead of late last night, but hey-ho. 2015-16 so far has seen some big changes, but it's good to know that some things will probably always be the same(!)

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

Ive seen that on tumblr;

Credit: michahowellcollins

Honestly surprised (and a bit disappointed) it took this long for something like that to appear. SMH you guys.

btw, Is anyone else having issues with quoting images and them not showing up properly because a mahoosive block of nonsense code is generated?

[angrymob]

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

Ive seen that on tumblr;

Credit: michahowellcollins

I need umh.. A gif...

If nobody makes it I s2g I'm making one myself.

Well, this is my life now. Not sure what I'll do when I go back to work in a month. I'm ruined from this point on.

EDIT: Please, someone find a fitting video clip and make one where Phil doesn't look dead, pls. or send one to me and I'll make it

[akui]

Re oqua, rizzo

I have nothing valuable to contribute to the conversation, i just thought it's kind of hypocritical that when he was less less popular than Phil he fought against the idea of duo now he is more popular than phil he embrace the duo branding with open arms.

Soz for being cynical today i woke up wrong.

When he was less popular than Phil he was trying to prove himself as a Youtuber by not riding on Phil's coattails. Now that he's more popular he wants to work together and make sure Phil isn't left behind. Don't see how this is hypocritical.

This. If you wanted to be cynical about it (and I don't, I get more of a "it slips out when I'm less careful" or "I want to be proud of my friend/partner/lover/Philly and tell people how awesome he is" vibe from it) you could say that either time they promote/namedrop each other it benefits both of them, due to the thing. But hypocritical? No. If, OTOH, he'd name-dropped Phil every chance he got until he surpassed his subscriber count, then zipped it, then you'd have a point...

Yeah, I mean if you look the whole thing cynically it appear Dan to be hypocritical about it, but knowing Dan and their history I, from the bottom of my heart, don't think he is a hypocrite. Soz for the confusion, it's my English not me.

BTW I was just imagining Dan was having a Clair Underwood moment when he tried to shake off Phil but realized they made each other stronger so he came back for angsty sex and world domination.

[Cora]

Not to bring up a dead topic or anything buuuuttttt...

re: those gifs of Dan in bed

dat nose porn

[internetakeover]

I woke up in the middle of the night and saw that Dan had uploaded but decided to sleep again instead of watching, and I'm not sure if I now really really regret that or am so glad that I actually got some sleep! Haven't read over the full discussion yet - so many pages! - but I am right on this bi!Dan train, it's so wonderful to see his more relaxed attitude seeping over to his main channel too. I always feel stupid/overly fangirly saying that I'm proud of him for it, but I really am. After watching the main channel video I was still like 'where's the labelling statement? I want a (current) labelling statement so I can feel 100% confident and comfortable in calling you part of this community' - primarily for purposes of not mislabelling him or having any discussions that he wouldn't want people to have (though lmao like i don't do that about other things anyway), though also probably partially from a 'I want proper solid representation!! give it to me!!' kind of entitled pov too, but after watching the side channel video (and the speedo comments!) I'm actually just totally content with what he is comfortable sharing. He doesn't owe anyone anything about his sexuality, he doesn't need to go through the big deal that a labelling statement would be, but he's made it perfectly clear enough to anyone paying any attention - by nature likely queer people, who need/want that representation most anyway - that he is attracted to men, and that's just wonderful. It's so good to see it not treated as a massive deal, too, though it clearly was to him in the past. Normalisation of non-hetero sexualities is something that's so important, just as much as active discussion, I'm just so delighted by everything about this.

From a non-bi angle: I just really enjoyed the video! it was good to see a sketch style thing again, I really don't mind that it's sponsored because he does actually use and like the service? Get that #spon money, go for it!! I really enjoyed the dini video too, I thought it was interesting that he had maybe made a bit of a conscious effort not to overproduce it? Like just sitting in the office, in a different space to where he makes dinof videos, with kind of dodgy lighting and possibly no microphone, as if he's trying to make it a more relaxed space and not allow himself to overthink it? Also it was just wonderful to see him talking for so long about things he cares about

aaand I had to head off to uni like 10mins ago and now can't even reread this before submitting, I hope it makes sense!

[Anonymousse]

Well, this is my life now. Not sure what I'll do when I go back to work in a month. I'm ruined from this point on.

EDIT: Please, someone find a fitting video clip and make one where Phil doesn't look dead, pls. or send one to me and I'll make it

So close, yet so far.

I was determined to make Phil appear topless in the gif.

I haven't got the time at this moment.

But I love your contribution .

[DryCereal]

BTW I was just imagining Dan was having a Clair Underwood moment when he tried to shake off Phil but realized they made each other stronger so he came back for angsty sex and world domination.

That makes a loooooot more sense! Hehe! No worries!

Please, please can someone shop Phil's face on the pillow..

I need it for... research...

Ive seen that on tumblr;

Credit: michahowellcollins

I need umh.. A gif...

If nobody makes it I s2g I'm making one myself.

Well, this is my life now. Not sure what I'll do when I go back to work in a month. I'm ruined from this point on.

EDIT: Please, someone find a fitting video clip and make one where Phil doesn't look dead, pls. or send one to me and I'll make it

We're all ruined together. ALL OF US. AND IT'S ALL DAN'S FAULT.

Seriously. I have my partner flying in this afternoon to visit and I'm not sure how I'm meant to explain that a photoshopped GIF of two strangers snuggling is currently more important than cuddles I actually get to be a part of. Send help. Or a hypnotist/exorcist. Quickly.

[angrymob]

So close, yet so far.

I was determined to make Phil appear topless in the gif.

I haven't got the time at this moment.

But I love your contribution .

I was totally trying to make him topless too, but none of the topless photos of him that I could find were at the right angle or high enough quality. Now if anyone sees my computer, I'll have to explain why I have 20 different topless pics of some youtuber on my desktop

[Anonymousse]

Seriously. I have my partner flying in this afternoon to visit and I'm not sure how I'm meant to explain that a photoshopped GIF of two strangers snuggling is currently more important than cuddles I actually get to be a part of. Send help. Or a hypnotist/exorcist. Quickly.

[offtopic]Explained in the OT thread this morning, how I don't really want to communicate with people and my SO IRL anymore, this is lit more of a priority atm, but I am unable to photoshop in class noo..[/offtopic]
Dan please stop ruining me.

[vsannil]

because I just came here from gg and I know I'm late af to the discussion, I'm just going to copy my Initial thoughts on the spon

I dare say Dan's #spon is waaaay better executed than Phil's was for me. Especially the side channel vid where he actually gives his recommendations for a full 12 mins... We know they watch a lot of anime, and the ones he's mentioned too, so he seems genuinely excited and pumped to waffle for a total of 18 mins, which is what I want from a sponsored video. Or he's a pretty decent actor. Whichever. I enjoyed it.

I don't know why he's reluctant to do sponsored content on his main channel, because he's obviously capable of giving it everything he's got- we got some sketches, some speedos mentionings, overall a quite on par dinof video.