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fancybum wrote:I didn't find this vid weird at all? Apart from being a bit 'meh' about it being an app (and checking the description to see if it was spon, I must have missed the crossy road boat), it was good. Phil laughing at Dan getting run over immediately (8:20) was probably the highlight (and the genuineness of that reaction leads me away from thinking they planned it? I'm not sure they really have the time or inclination to mess around with re-filming or fully staging something as ultimately meaningless as this but )
And:
6:12 “No presh, matey matey”
7:58 “Thanks for that, mate”
8:05 “Get over it, mate”
doesn't seem like quite enough to break any records, but again ymmv.

After this month, January is just going to feel like withdrawal, isn't it?
thanks for the timestamps, I was pretty confused where all this "mate"-talk was coming from, I watched the vid twice and still didn't catch even one…
And I agree, I really don't think they have the time to stage something like this and the reactions seemed pretty genuine. Like alittledizzy said, they chose some games Phil's good at, but that's it I think.

Lovedlovedloved the little bit at the end. ugh.


And I'm sad gamingmas is ending, but I think there are still like ten dapg-videos I haven't seen yet, daily uploading is too much for me. Can't there be a middle ground between daily uploads and a video once or twice a month??
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UNDERTALE IS TODAY

I was so excited I legit woke up earlier than usual because I am so pumped

[offtopic]Ngl not a lot of wonderful things are happening in my life and gamingmas is the only thing I would look forward to these days

Even if they don't react the way I expect/want them to, I'm so happy they still get to finish this special game I'm one of those people who had a profound impact by Undertale and I've seen countless lets plays of it I'm just too lazy to do it myself :lol:

I will probably also enjoy Dil, I actually love the Sims and play it regularly so for me it's always just a pleasant experience to watch their videos because I know what to expect, does that make sense? At least every episode is thematic in some way and not just DITL for game characters

I'm gonna be so sad when Gamingmas is over I guess I'll take the post-Christmas break to catch up on old content of theirs that I was familiar with back in the day, catch up on forum threads, etc. There's still lots of videos and interviews I've not watched from 2014-2016[/offtopic]

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R.E: Moving

I wasn't so deep in the phandom when they moved to London, and was just wondering if it was super obvious that it was happening before they 'announced't it? Did you all immediately clock it or was it just a suspicion like it is now? I personally can see them moving middle of next year, most likely July/August when their lease is up, but really I'm not sure how it will go. If they do end up moving into an actual house with a garden, etc...that'll prove phan for me if I'm honest. I'm probably just flogging a dead horse here bringing up the moving again but I just though if we look at how it went down last time, maybe that will give us more insight?
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I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
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MoonPride wrote:I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
same here. im pretty sure im gonna eventually move in with my friends, but to buy a house? thats something that people do when they are committed. surely they couldnt justify it being something else if it does happen right? "guys we've bought a house but it's ok, we're just bros" :lol: (pls no)

perhaps this is why nothing has been said about actually moving yet? this behaviour during gamingmas/boncas etc is just them easing into it so next year they can throw it at us so it doesn't cause a shitstorm? (lets be real, it would) like they must know how it would look. i wouldnt personally BUY a house with my friend. maybe #bros will be their 2017 branding but they'll have a house a dog and a fish called susan. but they'll still be bros. bro. im sorry :lol:
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lishachi wrote:
MoonPride wrote:I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
same here. im pretty sure im gonna eventually move in with my friends, but to buy a house? thats something that people do when they are committed. surely they couldnt justify it being something else if it does happen right? "guys we've bought a house but it's ok, we're just bros" :lol: (pls no)

perhaps this is why nothing has been said about actually moving yet? this behaviour during gamingmas/boncas etc is just them easing into it so next year they can throw it at us so it doesn't cause a shitstorm? (lets be real, it would) like they must know how it would look. i wouldnt personally BUY a house with my friend. maybe #bros will be their 2017 branding but they'll have a house a dog and a fish called susan. but they'll still be bros. bro. im sorry :lol:
People rent houses with friends but they don't buy one with them unless you are in a business of buying houses to do up and sell on. You don't get a mortgage with your best friend either no matter how close you are with them.
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MoonPride wrote:
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MoonPride wrote:I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
same here. im pretty sure im gonna eventually move in with my friends, but to buy a house? thats something that people do when they are committed. surely they couldnt justify it being something else if it does happen right? "guys we've bought a house but it's ok, we're just bros" :lol: (pls no)

perhaps this is why nothing has been said about actually moving yet? this behaviour during gamingmas/boncas etc is just them easing into it so next year they can throw it at us so it doesn't cause a shitstorm? (lets be real, it would) like they must know how it would look. i wouldnt personally BUY a house with my friend. maybe #bros will be their 2017 branding but they'll have a house a dog and a fish called susan. but they'll still be bros. bro. im sorry :lol:
People rent houses with friends but they don't buy one with them unless you are in a business of buying houses to do up and sell on. You don't get a mortgage with your best friend either no matter how close you are with them.
yeah exactly. wouldn't make sense really unless they were together
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lishachi wrote:
MoonPride wrote:
lishachi wrote:
MoonPride wrote:I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
same here. im pretty sure im gonna eventually move in with my friends, but to buy a house? thats something that people do when they are committed. surely they couldnt justify it being something else if it does happen right? "guys we've bought a house but it's ok, we're just bros" :lol: (pls no)

perhaps this is why nothing has been said about actually moving yet? this behaviour during gamingmas/boncas etc is just them easing into it so next year they can throw it at us so it doesn't cause a shitstorm? (lets be real, it would) like they must know how it would look. i wouldnt personally BUY a house with my friend. maybe #bros will be their 2017 branding but they'll have a house a dog and a fish called susan. but they'll still be bros. bro. im sorry :lol:
People rent houses with friends but they don't buy one with them unless you are in a business of buying houses to do up and sell on. You don't get a mortgage with your best friend either no matter how close you are with them.
yeah exactly. wouldn't make sense really unless they were together
I guess we will wait and see, unless they end up renting again.
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#Phandivorce theory: instead of easing their way into us getting used to them being coupley so people won't freak out they're doing it as a finale to give us what we want before 2017 where they finally moved out.

(Jk they're married af)
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The main question for me is, frankly, whether this thread will survive to cover both remaining videis or we'll need another one after undertale
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gnostic wrote:The main question for me is, frankly, whether this thread will survive to cover both remaining videis or we'll need another one after undertale
unless something bombastic happens in the undertale one i believe this thread will survive lol. not that many people are into their undertale lp these days, they really stalled it for too long (thankfully i still enjoy it).

[offtopic]in retrospect, i have to say their first bunch of gamingmas videos remains my favourite. those videos really made me question my phanagnostic beliefs, idk why, be it their bro mocking or the softness, they gave off a peculiar vibe i hadn't seen before. with more uploads the vibe wore off and although i'm in the minority here i felt like they got less soft and more staged but w/e it might be just my perception. i still enjoyed gamingmas a lot and it'll be tough to adjust back to their lack of uploads but i can't wait for the moment i don't have to stay up late to watch their videos because i've been craving sleep lol [/offtopic]

we still have pinof 8 bloopers coming this year, right? i doubt dan will put it off until 2017. maybe it'll be our christmas/NY present.
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I don't know how you can say some the videos were staged? Just because they wasn't all touchy touchy with each other?
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papierklemmen wrote:
gnostic wrote:The main question for me is, frankly, whether this thread will survive to cover both remaining videis or we'll need another one after undertale
unless something bombastic happens in the undertale one i believe this thread will survive lol. not that many people are into their undertale lp these days, they really stalled it for too long (thankfully i still enjoy it).

[offtopic]in retrospect, i have to say their first bunch of gamingmas videos remains my favourite. those videos really made me question my phanagnostic beliefs, idk why, be it their bro mocking or the softness, they gave off a peculiar vibe i hadn't seen before. with more uploads the vibe wore off and although i'm in the minority here i felt like they got less soft and more staged but w/e it might be just my perception. i still enjoyed gamingmas a lot and it'll be tough to adjust back to their lack of uploads but i can't wait for the moment i don't have to stay up late to watch their videos because i've been craving sleep lol [/offtopic]

we still have pinof 8 bloopers coming this year, right? i doubt dan will put it off until 2017. maybe it'll be our christmas/NY present.
Same re lack of sleep lol. It's 3 am here by the time it's midnight in the UK and I should really just be going to sleep and watching the next day but each day I keep hoping they will upload earlier... refreshing and coping as time goes by...

Early gamingmas videos almost gave me dem goggles too, but I don't think I found most later videos less soft or more staged. They just didn't have groundbreaking moments like backing that azz up on your platonic bro
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Not to get unnecessarily sappy, but I'm glad cutemas turned out the way it did. I feel like them being more open and giving the people what they wanted was subconsciously because they knew how much 2016 sucked for most of us. This year may have started off with the bour but at least it ended with some domestic phan making our goggles just a little more rose tinted and the velvet underground getting recognized at the Grammy's finally

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[offtopic]Anyone else seen this? I couldn't be more confused/done with the Bee Movie meme but I still found this pretty funny! Philly is mentioned a lot more than I thought
(Also, visit from Haru again: don't think I even realised that when I first watched the original video :lol: )[/offtopic]
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Crossy Road: I loved the video! I thought it was super cute and really tense and funny. Phil's insane laugh when Dan got knocked over on the first crossing was hilarious. Dan using Phil's thumbprint to buy the elf character was really funny too. All in all, one of my favourite videos of Gamingmas.

Sorry if this is a bit outdated news by now - but I guess since the next video isn't up yet, it's still relevant eh?
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itsonlybeth wrote:R.E: Moving

I wasn't so deep in the phandom when they moved to London, and was just wondering if it was super obvious that it was happening before they 'announced't it? Did you all immediately clock it or was it just a suspicion like it is now? I personally can see them moving middle of next year, most likely July/August when their lease is up, but really I'm not sure how it will go. If they do end up moving into an actual house with a garden, etc...that'll prove phan for me if I'm honest. I'm probably just flogging a dead horse here bringing up the moving again but I just though if we look at how it went down last time, maybe that will give us more insight?
I was just getting deep into the phandom right before they announced and yeah, it was obvious. They said it outright a few times, mentioned when they were going to see apartments, talked about it in liveshows. If they are moving now it's been a lot more hush hush.
MoonPride wrote:I'm the same, if they move into a house then to me they really are together. I don't need a verbal confirmation as actions speak louder than words imo and you don't buy a house with someone that is just a friend.
While I agree, the other side is that
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koalaselfie wrote:[offtopic]Anyone else seen this? I couldn't be more confused/done with the Bee Movie meme but I still found this pretty funny! Philly is mentioned a lot more than I thought
(Also, visit from Haru again: don't think I even realised that when I first watched the original video :lol: )[/offtopic]
I have absolutely fucking lost it :lol: :lol: :lol:

"shitload of chargers" was when I started to laugh and him splashing his eye with water

that quick BOOM at the end

I am never tired of this speeding up meme :lol: what can I say I'm a 12 year old who finds high pitched voices funny

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I thought Why I Blinded Myself needed snappier pacing, it's a little long, but that version's something else ;) Phil's second "What?!" was impressively high-pitched.
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malday wrote:
pearshaped34 wrote:Not the best video IMO but I do love to see Phil win.
Although my inner cynic can't help but wonder if it was perhaps staged. I'm not saying it definitely was but for me Dan being the one to request all or nothing for a change and then it still managing to end with them on even ground felt almost too neat of a way to wrap things up for the year.
I am 100% convinced they planned it for Phil to catch up to Dan.
I think Gamingmas was all about making the phandom feel good and giving it what it wants. One of the motifs was seeing Phil win, it was all over the comments, i'm sure they took notice of it.

still cute tho.
I think they for sure planned it, because they did the same thing last year. When they were doing the christmas D vs P Phil won the first game, and the second. But they pretended Dan won the second so that the last one would be the "tie breaker" (and I don't think they necessarily planned Dan winning the tie breaker, but they planned for it to be a tie breaker, which is why they pretended Dan won the second game when he really didn't).
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melon lord wrote:
koalaselfie wrote:[offtopic]Anyone else seen this? I couldn't be more confused/done with the Bee Movie meme but I still found this pretty funny! Philly is mentioned a lot more than I thought
(Also, visit from Haru again: don't think I even realised that when I first watched the original video :lol: )[/offtopic]
I have absolutely fucking lost it :lol: :lol: :lol:

"shitload of chargers" was when I started to laugh and him splashing his eye with water

that quick BOOM at the end

I am never tired of this speeding up meme :lol: what can I say I'm a 12 year old who finds high pitched voices funny
I pretend I'm over the meme but chipmunked!Dan had me in stitches
flarequake wrote:I thought Why I Blinded Myself needed snappier pacing, it's a little long, but that version's something else ;) Phil's second "What?!" was impressively high-pitched.
It was definitely not one of my fave dinof vids originally because of the pacing. I prefer this version a lot more!
I love that part :lol:
Spoiler bc still off-topic: The same Youtube channel (ty of course to phan fathers!) also has a video on the dancing game from gamingmas, and the entire dancing is hilarious sped-up...but the part with crab dancing is insanely funny (4:19) (Also, headphone warning for 3:19 lol)
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koalaselfie wrote:[offtopic]Anyone else seen this? I couldn't be more confused/done with the Bee Movie meme but I still found this pretty funny! Philly is mentioned a lot more than I thought
(Also, visit from Haru again: don't think I even realised that when I first watched the original video :lol: )[/offtopic]
I keep losing it at Phil's 'WHAT?' squeak it's so funny
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Both On-topic (because whether or not DnP are together and how much they should show us of it is ALWAYS being talked about) and [offtopic]because I'm comparing it to a post about Yuri on ice and I know is its a show and not really something you can compare because DnP have explicitly stated that they are not together and we should take them for their word BUT reading this post really made me think about the conversations always being had here and I realized it's not about them, its about us and what we need to make ourselves feel better. I'm putting the text of the post under spoilers because there are MAJOR spoilers (although seriously if you are even slightly interested the series is finished so go bingewatch it now because its so good), and here is a link to it if you have tumblr and want pictures with the rant.

TL;DNR Victor and Yuuri have a similar situation going to DnP where they aren't explicit in whether or not they are together, although most people think it's obvious, but no one outright asks. We need to be ok with a relationship being shown with casual touches and sweet moments, rather than a checklist of "things couples do".

http://thatshamelessyaoishipper.tumblr. ... still-have[/offtopic]
Honestly, I’m baffled that some people still have the nerve to say that Yuri on Ice
“wasn’t gay enough”? Or that it wasn’t “explicit enough”?

And see, I somewhat understand what you mean, and I will expand on that later, but for now let me take the example of the rings from episode 10 in order to present why I think that the statement that “it wasn’t gay enough” is BS.

Let’s all take a moment to remember and think about this scene. It is set in front of a cathedral, to the tune of a choir and the moment Yuuri gently slips the ring onto Victor’s finger, the bells ring. Which to me sounds like… the perfect setting or an engagement? Here, people usually argue that they didn’t say the things people usually say while getting engaged etc etc but 90% of reactions that I’ve seen to this scene (including reactions of straight cis males) was “oh my gOD they’re actually getting engaged!” You know why? Because this anime shows and doesn’t tell. Honestly, this scene was the best illustration of this principle - everyone understood the meaning behind it even if they didn’t say “will you marry me” or anything like that.

It’s only when people started overthinking it that the
“uh, they didn’t *actually* get engaged, those rings are just good luck charms"
comments started appearing. Because in that scene, at that moment, it didn’t matter how Yuuri justified those rings to himself - they were presented like engagement rings, and we all understood that they were engagement rings, no more words were needed.

But just in case you did need words, they did come:
Victor says it's an engagement ring.
And this was literally the most explicit confirmation we could hope for and it’s right there, sitting there in all its canon glory.

And many people took it for what it was, rightfully, in my opinion, because we got both an engagement scene and a direct mention and confirmation of it in the span of just a few minutes.
But of course some people did appear saying that
“Oh, Victor was just joking, you know how he acts.”
Which is a ridiculous justification, but it shows us one thing: No matter what the anime does, there will be people out there ready to deny it. Sure, their arguments get more and more ridiculous as the anime goes further and further in its presentation of Victor and Yuuri’s relationship, but those people don’t disappear. The truth is:
People will deny it if it’s not explicit.
People will deny it if it IS explicit.
But the truth is also that the anime doesn’t need to be explicit in order to convey the necessary feelings.
Because, as such, those things are clear to anyone who isn’t actively trying to deny it anyway. Remember what I said about Show, Don’t Tell? That’s exactly what I mean. Victor and Yuuri’s love is shown on practically every step so much so that they don’t need an “I love you” to validate them. We all know that they love each other. A confession like that could even be considered superfluous. Would I like to see Victor and Yuuri openly saying “I love you”? Of course I would. But can I live without it? Of course I can, because their love is visible and clear even without it.

Then, I suppose, comes the discussion of an “uncensored” kiss, or basically just an overt, explicit kiss. “Show, don’t tell, right?” you scoff “What better way to show than through a kiss?”.
And yeah, I get your point - I would have liked a kiss myself. Not a wet French kiss (which perhaps people fantasize about but which would also be just… too much for this anime), but a simple peck on the lips - a simple, non-offensive but poignant statement on Victor and Yuuri’s relationship. Because exchanging pecks is definitely a thing a couple like them would do.

But at the end of the day, I think we could say that a kiss as such was unnecessary to the presentation of their relationship which was clear even without that. Of course I would have liked an open kiss and of course I think that it would work in favor of showing their relationship but I’m willing to be happy just with the non-explicit kiss because it was great on its own. Not to mention that relationships aren’t based on checklists you can’t just go and tick everything that you see off and then by the end say “nope, they’re not canon, they still haven’t done this, this and this.” Victor and Yuuri’s relationship is clear to most viewers, the same way a straight relationship in anime (also without a confession or a kiss) would be. And isn’t that part of the point? Normalizing the relationship?

And perhaps most importantly let me say that I am wiling to be extra understanding of the anime studio here, especially considering how much they’ve already shown us. Because, and I know this may be a terrifyingly realistic point but hear me out for a moment, maybe the creators were afraid? Because one fact is that they’ve already pushed borders - tons of them, the engagement being the most prominent one. But let’s also consider how risky of a project it was for them? I wrote a post about it recently and the take away point is that they were afraid that this anime would be terribly niche (they completely didn’t expect the popularity) because the subject topic is niche in itself, because when people think “sports anime” they think “soccer” and “baseball” and probably even “volleyball” but definitely not “figure skating”. Add to it the amount they clearly invested into it and yeah, it’s understandable why they’d be afraid - it was a huge risk from the very start. And how are they supposed to know “How far is too far?” (Or how far is not far enough, for that matter.)

Believe it or not but Yuri on Ice is a pioneer in the world of anime - a sports anime which normalizes gay relationships and discuses many other important topics. Yes, this is where angry No. 6 fans come out and yell that No. 6 did it earlier and it even showed kissing. But you’re forgetting one important thing. No. 6 was based on a light novel. When it was animated it already had a fanbase. The anime was mostly promotional material for it and the upcoming manga adaptation anyway. YOI though? YOI is a completely original project with no previous following. You could very well say that YOI itself is one huge experiment in what anime can and cannot show these days, because literally no original anime has ever done this before and succeeded so overwhelmingly which is actually a good sign. Because it means that the otaku community is changing for the better and can recognize what’s good. Because if the industry realizes that featuring normalized gay couples isn’t risky then they will create more of them. It’ll be the end of the age of queer-baiting and the beginning of an era of actual LGBT representation.
Of course, that’s idealistic right now but perhaps not impossible after all. Remember guys, baby steps. And YOI itself is like a leap forward anyway, and I think that deserves to be appreciated and not shunned for “not being enough”.
And the bottom line is: Now that the creators have realized the power of Victuri and the fact that they don’t need to hold back when showing them, I think we can expect a lot of good things from season 2, whenever that rolls around.
And if you really think that it wasn’t gay enough then please stop comparing Yuri on Ice to yaoi anime or to shows with gay couples in Western media, and start comparing it to relevant stuff - anime within its genre. And what genre was YOI? Sports.
Which sports anime comes anywhere near what YOI showed us? Exactly.
I rest my case.
If you read this you probably have your own opinions on it: here are mine
1. The human brain is built to make assumptions. It's what keeps us alive. Our brain makes decisions about everything we look at without our approval. It originally let us know if what we were looking at was dangerous or not. Now it lets u know if the people we are looking at are single or together and their gender for procreation reasons. This has become a problem because the lines on relationships and gender are getting fuzzy, so we cannot trust our assumptions anymore without possibly offending people or mis-labelling. Therefore we demand proof because no one likes to be unsure and confused. Problems ensue because no one owes anyone else an explanation.
1. If two people who aren't together being romantic and flirty and cutsy is queerbaiting, then how are two platonic people who are cutesy naturally supposed to act? Should they hold back and avoid being sweet to each other and act in unnatural ways so they don't confuse people? I think we all know how that works out.

Basically being a human is hard right now and I don't envy people who have public lives.
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My personal problem with DINOF videos is not so much the pacing (although when I first found dan I actually stopped the video at first because it started off too slow and my sister had to be like "wait it's worth it he's actually funny, I finished the video myself after you left!") And more how almost fake it is? Like I'm all for camp and I know dans always been camp but the problem is its not as effortless as it was before, and not nearly as witty and inspired. It sucks because I personally think dan is HILARIOUS when he's on his A game, and I still think he's really funny on the gaming channel and the way he edits, it just doesn't translate into DINOF videos anymore? I think Dan's aware of this, so hopefully it'll improve for 2017
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