Dan & Phil Part 35: knock knock, who’s there, i hate you

[lurkin]

Here are the dates of the videos where THE RULES appear:

Vyou "piano fetish": 29 January 2012
Vyou "favorite song on piano": 31 January 2012
How I Got Fired: 29 February 2012
Manchester DITL: 17 March 2012

So they had to have been written by late January or earlier.

I like the idea that they're connected to SAP in some way.

Oh! My bad. I didn't really look at Vyous because they're a pain to go through and often make me cringe . Thanks for correcting me.

[jesuisunèléve]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

I don't think the tweet is that big a deal or even means any of that to begin with? It ties in more with Dans existential branding, which is probably why no one started anything on it.
Also, why does feeling alone and sad have to equal single and wanting someone? A person could still feel alone and sad internally even though they could possible be with someone.
I wouldn't jump to phan divorce just because Dan made a "relatable" metaphor of how someone could relate to a tree being taken down. I don't know, I just can't see your point here.

+1

IMO, I think Dan is trying to deal with the fact that TATINOF is over and done. It was a MASSIVE part of their lives for so long and took up all of their time and effort and creativity. Now, they have a lot of time on their hands. At the end of their US tour I wondered if we were going to have depressed!Dan at the start of the new year.

As well, taking Christmas down is difficult for a lot of people because all of the festive loveliness is gone and we're back to dull and dreary.

I take Dan's tweets more as signs of life more than anything else. Besides, it's simply Dan being Dan "I-wear-black-on-the-outside-because-black-is-how-I-feel on-the-inside" Howell.


( for anyone who can tell me who sang the above song lyric)

[Truth_or_cliche]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

I don't think the tweet is that big a deal or even means any of that to begin with? It ties in more with Dans existential branding, which is probably why no one started anything on it.
Also, why does feeling alone and sad have to equal single and wanting someone? A person could still feel alone and sad internally even though they could possible be with someone.
I wouldn't jump to phan divorce just because Dan made a "relatable" metaphor of how someone could relate to a tree being taken down. I don't know, I just can't see your point here.

+1

IMO, I think Dan is trying to deal with the fact that TATINOF is over and done. It was a MASSIVE part of their lives for so long and took up all of their time and effort and creativity. Now, they have a lot of time on their hands. At the end of their US tour I wondered if we were going to have depressed!Dan at the start of the new year.

As well, taking Christmas down is difficult for a lot of people because all of the festive loveliness is gone and we're back to dull and dreary.

I take Dan's tweets more as signs of life more than anything else. Besides, it's simply Dan being Dan "I-wear-black-on-the-outside-because-black-is-how-I-feel on-the-inside" Howell.


( for anyone who can tell me who sang the above song lyric)

The Smiths right?

[MoonPride]

I have a theory that Dan did actually go to the IOM after Boxing Day for a few days and they flew to Manchester for NYE before heading back to London on New Years Day and those tweets about being in the man cave/snacks etc from him and Phil were just to throw us off the scent. I can't see why Phil would travel back to London only to travel up North again a day or so later.

[peekatyou]

I take Dan's tweets more as signs of life more than anything else. Besides, it's simply Dan being Dan "I-wear-black-on-the-outside-because-black-is-how-I-feel on-the-inside" Howell.


( for anyone who can tell me who sang the above song lyric)

Wow. I've been finding myself comparing Dan to Morrissey quite a lot lately, thanks for bringing The Smiths up.

I don't know, guys. To me Dan's tweets like this last one are just him being this kinda naturally sad person that he is (I realize I may be projecting here), and I don't really think it's him trying too hard to be relatable or failing to rebrand. Like, why would he want to be relatable/attract melancholics like myself with all these 'my life's a waterfall of meaninglessness/my life's in shambles' (things he likes to say in the live shows) when he's in fact a jolly person that doesn't feel this way? Doesn't make sense to me. I think he wrote he's empty and alone just 'cause he genuinely felt this way at the moment. It's fine. That being said, for some reason I too was about to roll my eyes when I first saw the tweet...

[sentinel]

Jesus Christ people, why does everything have to be a persona for you? May be Dan is just a naturally sardonic person. It's possible to be happy and have a cynical, sarcastic sense of humour.

[SquishPhan]

Jesus Christ people, why does everything have to be a persona for you? May be Dan is just a naturally sardonic person. It's possible to be happy and have a cynical, sarcastic sense of humour.

I think it is both a part of him, but also definitely exaggerated for effect and thus in my eyes part of his persona.

[CallMeAyana]

So... How many topics are we discussing right now?

[alittledizzy]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

Dan's subtle cries for help just break my heart. It's an awful shame he has to resort to hinting on twitter, but you know how hardheaded some people can be - they just don't see the obvious truth that Dan and Phil are about to move out, each to start living their own life: Dan with his oodles of storage (seriously just imagine the joy in his dimpled face as he goes through the house opening closet doors and peering inside, satisfied with the world now) and Phil with his dog (which he will water, obviously, twice daily, and plants, which he probably won't, unless he confuses the dog and plants, and then oops).

I hope they both find what they're looking for and fans aren't too rough on them.

Jesus Christ people, why does everything have to be a persona for you? May be Dan is just a naturally sardonic person. It's possible to be happy and have a cynical, sarcastic sense of humour.

Yes, this. I think there's some formula to his tweets like that but it stems from a place of him finding that kind of humor amusing. People in phandom seem to lack the ability to grasp concepts that aren't black and white; something can be both true and part of how Dan presents to his fans, it's not an either/or.

[fancybum]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

Dan's subtle cries for help just break my heart. It's an awful shame he has to resort to hinting on twitter, but you know how hardheaded some people can be - they just don't see the obvious truth that Dan and Phil are about to move out, each to start living their own life: Dan with his oodles of storage (seriously just imagine the joy in his dimpled face as he goes through the house opening closet doors and peering inside, satisfied with the world now) and Phil with his dog (which he will water, obviously, twice daily, and plants, which he probably won't, unless he confuses the dog and plants, and then oops).

I hope they both find what they're looking for and fans aren't too rough on them.

I just imagined that so vividly and it brought me so much joy because the best thing about it is Phil isn't there leaving doors and drawers open all over the place. Dan will have so much more peace on his own that's for sure. And Phil could always hire a dog-walker/plant-waterer that he ends up falling for. Wow, the possibilities are endless for their futures, separate at long last.

And fans won't be too rough on them as long as they keep up with their regular uploading schedule I mentioned in my initial comment.
Their. Regular. Uploading. Schedule.
:lineface:

[alittledizzy]

And fans won't be too rough on them as long as they keep up with their regular uploading schedule I mentioned in my initial comment.
Their. Regular. Uploading. Schedule.
:lineface:

I didn't even think to comment on that, because it's just so obvious they'd never let anything come in the way of regular uploads. They do it all for us, and we're far too important to them.

[jesuisunèléve]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

I don't think the tweet is that big a deal or even means any of that to begin with? It ties in more with Dans existential branding, which is probably why no one started anything on it.
Also, why does feeling alone and sad have to equal single and wanting someone? A person could still feel alone and sad internally even though they could possible be with someone.
I wouldn't jump to phan divorce just because Dan made a "relatable" metaphor of how someone could relate to a tree being taken down. I don't know, I just can't see your point here.

+1

IMO, I think Dan is trying to deal with the fact that TATINOF is over and done. It was a MASSIVE part of their lives for so long and took up all of their time and effort and creativity. Now, they have a lot of time on their hands. At the end of their US tour I wondered if we were going to have depressed!Dan at the start of the new year.

As well, taking Christmas down is difficult for a lot of people because all of the festive loveliness is gone and we're back to dull and dreary.

I take Dan's tweets more as signs of life more than anything else. Besides, it's simply Dan being Dan "I-wear-black-on-the-outside-because-black-is-how-I-feel on-the-inside" Howell.


( for anyone who can tell me who sang the above song lyric)

The Smiths right?

[jesuisunèléve]

Hey wait why didn't this tweet kick off a 3 page long debate over #phandivorced. He said he's sad and alone which means he's single and longing to find true love in 2017. Meanwhile Phil's itching to get a dog and Dan's the one standing in the way because he doesn't trust Phil to take care of it properly ("do you trust this guy with a dog" "I'd water my dog") and doesn't want to get saddled with the responsibility instead.

So the only conclusion I can come to is their living arrangement is holding them both back from the things they really want and are ready for in their lives. Hopefully all this private turmoil doesn't interrupt their regular uploading schedule, that'd be a shame.

Dan's subtle cries for help just break my heart. It's an awful shame he has to resort to hinting on twitter, but you know how hardheaded some people can be - they just don't see the obvious truth that Dan and Phil are about to move out, each to start living their own life: Dan with his oodles of storage (seriously just imagine the joy in his dimpled face as he goes through the house opening closet doors and peering inside, satisfied with the world now) and Phil with his dog (which he will water, obviously, twice daily, and plants, which he probably won't, unless he confuses the dog and plants, and then oops).

I hope they both find what they're looking for and fans aren't too rough on them.

I just imagined that so vividly and it brought me so much joy because the best thing about it is Phil isn't there leaving doors and drawers open all over the place. Dan will have so much more peace on his own that's for sure. And Phil could always hire a dog-walker/plant-waterer that he ends up falling for. Wow, the possibilities are endless for their futures, separate at long last.

And fans won't be too rough on them as long as they keep up with their regular uploading schedule I mentioned in my initial comment.
Their. Regular. Uploading. Schedule.
:lineface:

Let's not forget no more Cereal Wars.

[flarequake]

Let's not forget no more Cereal Wars.

Maybe it's thanks to being halfway through watching Suicide Squad, but I'm imagining them firing machine guns loaded with Shreddies at each other from opposite trenches in the living room now

[nihilist-toothpaste]

sentinel wrote:
Jesus Christ people, why does everything have to be a persona for you? May be Dan is just a naturally sardonic person. It's possible to be happy and have a cynical, sarcastic sense of humour.

i don't think most people were saying that dan's dark humor was all down to branding alone and that in reality his personality must be the diametric opposite. i find dan's sarcasm and cynicism to be remarkably funny at times and acknowledge that it seems fundamental and ingrained in his person, rather than wholly manufactured. that being said, it does become wearing to constantly see depressive outlooks and tendencies used as the butt of his jokes. i mean, i really feel dan is at his absolute unfunniest when he sees a jar of molasses and says "my soul," or when he had a go at the 'x but every time y happens it gets faster meme' a few weeks ago and all he could come up with was "trying to peacefully exist but every time you think, you remember you're hurtling towards your inevitable doom." or, yes, when he takes down a christmas tree, presumably with phil, and immediately asserts that he is sad and alone.

as dizzy said, there's no need to take a black and white stance on things. sometimes dan's sarcastic and bleak humor is funny. sometimes it's boring af and feels very forced and hyperbolic, perhaps in the interest of continuing his the dark and depressive persona (don't kill me for using that word, but not sure what other way to reference what i mean) he has emphasized over the years. and as a depression sufferer myself, at the worst of times, his humor can feel like it's trivializing and mocking the very thought processes i have to grapple with. i recognize that this may be the exact reason he uses this humor (to cope with those feelings himself), but idk. it's reductive, maybe, is what i'm getting at. and at times, rubs me the wrong way.

on a different note, very much looking forward to the #phandivorce that dan's tweet promises. not only will dan have the pleasure of basking in a kitchen full of firmly shut cupboard doors, but also every sock in the house will remain firmly on dan's feet or in the sock drawer where they belong. he'll have boxes upon boxes of untouched crunchy nut just for himself. a true paradise. and phil can get his corgi and never have to compromise and settle for a shib just to appease his meme lover housemate. they'll never have to force themselves to make joint content just for the fans, ever again. all will be well.

[squishydanny]

I have a theory that Dan did actually go to the IOM after Boxing Day for a few days and they flew to Manchester for NYE before heading back to London on New Years Day and those tweets about being in the man cave/snacks etc from him and Phil were just to throw us off the scent. I can't see why Phil would travel back to London only to travel up North again a day or so later.

Hmmm, I had this theory for a bit as well- but it makes no sense. The flight from London to Phils parents house is about an hour so its not impractical for him to fly back to London, and then travel back north with Dan for NYE. Also, Dan and Phil know how much of a following they have, and lying about that with a huge potential of a fan seeing them would just be stupid. I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility, but if you think about their chances of getting caught in a lie (saying they're somewhere and being elsewhere), the theory just doesn't hold.

[psychicmoth]

I was convinced he was going to choose the one with dogs.
This one is making me feel so emotional

[melon lord]

[offtopic]About NYE, I kind of wonder why they didn't spend it with wirrow and bryony, I mean, they are the two standard friends they do anything with and it sounded odd when one of them mentioned that no friend invited them to anything Isn't nye supposed to be a "hallmark" outing with your good friends to welcome the new year? Why would they spend it with offline friends who they apparently don't see that often (admittedly have no receipts to back my claim), rather than the two people they do everything with? Or was it because of location convenience? I honestly don't know cause like, spending time with them sure ok, but I thought NYE is ~important~ or whatever[/offtopic]

[MoonPride]

I have a theory that Dan did actually go to the IOM after Boxing Day for a few days and they flew to Manchester for NYE before heading back to London on New Years Day and those tweets about being in the man cave/snacks etc from him and Phil were just to throw us off the scent. I can't see why Phil would travel back to London only to travel up North again a day or so later.

Hmmm, I had this theory for a bit as well- but it makes no sense. The flight from London to Phils parents house is about an hour so its not impractical for him to fly back to London, and then travel back north with Dan for NYE. Also, Dan and Phil know how much of a following they have, and lying about that with a huge potential of a fan seeing them would just be stupid. I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility, but if you think about their chances of getting caught in a lie (saying they're somewhere and being elsewhere), the theory just doesn't hold.

But they haven't lied if they made it to Manchester from IOM without being caught. They could of waited to send those tweets until they was safe from being seen by a fan. I dunno. It just seems like a hassle to travel back and forwards and would of been easier for Dan to just go IOM from Reading then Phil travelling here there and everywhere only to end up back North a day later.

If they had been caught in IOM I think the tweets would of been different.

[sweetmm]

[offtopic]About NYE, I kind of wonder why they didn't spend it with wirrow and bryony, I mean, they are the two standard friends they do anything with and it sounded odd when one of them mentioned that no friend invited them to anything Isn't nye supposed to be a "hallmark" outing with your good friends to welcome the new year? Why would they spend it with offline friends who they apparently don't see that often (admittedly have no receipts to back my claim), rather than the two people they do everything with? Or was it because of location convenience? I honestly don't know cause like, spending time with them sure ok, but I thought NYE is ~important~ or whatever[/offtopic]

I believe Phil has closer friends up North, and it just happen this year they have no engagements in London around NY that they are able to make the trip to be with his friends (those who had been with him since school days and whom he & Dan hangs out with during their Manchester years). So I would say rang in 2017 with their dearest friends.

I also have a feeling Phil waited for Dan to join him up North, either at IoM or Manchester, I doubt he went back to London and came back up to North, does not make sense.

[alittledizzy]

[offtopic]About NYE, I kind of wonder why they didn't spend it with wirrow and bryony, I mean, they are the two standard friends they do anything with and it sounded odd when one of them mentioned that no friend invited them to anything Isn't nye supposed to be a "hallmark" outing with your good friends to welcome the new year? Why would they spend it with offline friends who they apparently don't see that often (admittedly have no receipts to back my claim), rather than the two people they do everything with? Or was it because of location convenience? I honestly don't know cause like, spending time with them sure ok, but I thought NYE is ~important~ or whatever[/offtopic]

My theory on this: they normally would have seen the Manchester friends (who is Phil's 'old' best friend, according to possessive-on-vyou-Dan) a few other times during the year but couldn't this year because of tour schedules. Phil definitely never mentioned going to his little reunion that his school friends have every year, right? So it makes sense to me that he'd make the effort to see at least the friends he is closest to, since he missed the normal gathering.

[sentinel]

If Phil indeed went back to London they might have just gotten the offer at the last minute and decided to go a day before actually traveling up north (or may be I'm a weirdo and one of the few that make plans at the last possible moment).

[melon lord]

My theory on this: they normally would have seen the Manchester friends (who is Phil's 'old' best friend, according to possessive-on-vyou-Dan) a few other times during the year but couldn't this year because of tour schedules. Phil definitely never mentioned going to his little reunion that his school friends have every year, right? So it makes sense to me that he'd make the effort to see at least the friends he is closest to, since he missed the normal gathering.

I believe Phil has closer friends up North, and it just happen this year they have no engagements in London around NY that they are able to make the trip to be with his friends (those who had been with him since school days and whom he & Dan hangs out with during their Manchester years). So I would say rang in 2017 with their dearest friends.

I also have a feeling Phil waited for Dan to join him up North, either at IoM or Manchester, I doubt he went back to London and came back up to North, does not make sense.

Thanks for the perspective! It's very possible, I guess I just didn't connect the dots on a larger scale

[Catallena]

I don't think they lied about Phil going back to London first, after Christmas he probably had quite a lot of luggage and it'd be a hassle to drag it to Manchester. Better to just drop the luggage off and relax at home for a day, then travel to Manchester together with Dan for NYE. And like sentinel said, maybe it was last minute.

[anathema]

I have a theory that Dan did actually go to the IOM after Boxing Day for a few days and they flew to Manchester for NYE before heading back to London on New Years Day and those tweets about being in the man cave/snacks etc from him and Phil were just to throw us off the scent. I can't see why Phil would travel back to London only to travel up North again a day or so later.

Hmmm, I had this theory for a bit as well- but it makes no sense. The flight from London to Phils parents house is about an hour so its not impractical for him to fly back to London, and then travel back north with Dan for NYE. Also, Dan and Phil know how much of a following they have, and lying about that with a huge potential of a fan seeing them would just be stupid. I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility, but if you think about their chances of getting caught in a lie (saying they're somewhere and being elsewhere), the theory just doesn't hold.

But they haven't lied if they made it to Manchester from IOM without being caught. They could of waited to send those tweets until they was safe from being seen by a fan. I dunno. It just seems like a hassle to travel back and forwards and would of been easier for Dan to just go IOM from Reading then Phil travelling here there and everywhere only to end up back North a day later.

If they had been caught in IOM I think the tweets would of been different.

Why would Phil lie? If he hadn't've posted anything about being "back home," we wouldn't have found it suspicious, would we? Also, let's just say that Phil didn't go home between Christmas and NYE. Why would Dan have gone to IoM just to go to Manchester? As far as I know, we have no proof D&P were together between Christmas and NYE (technically, we don't even have proof Dan was in London). If Phil stayed in IoM, Dan still could've been home alone, or even still at his parents house. I don't see why it being sort of unlikely (but not really) that Phil went to London = Dan went to IoM so they could travel to Manchester together.
(Also, they would've been going from IoM to Manchester the 31st (I doubt they were there before that) so the "lying because they didn't get caught theory" doesn't add up with their tweets )