Dan & Phil Part 36: Wholesome Howell and AmazingPhlegm

[papierklemmen]

fair point papierklemmen, I just wouldn't think of pranking a small portion of my audience I'd need a good reason myself. but I'm not Dan or Phil (allegedly)

Also Dan's comment on the voldy vid itself, was that fake or real? .

i'm afraid that mystery will never be resolved

So we don't know if it's photoshopped or not?

I always just figured it was real but thinking about it, the video was private, which would mean only Phil’s account had access to the video (unless it worked differently in 2010), which would make it impossible for Dan to comment. So either it was unlisted or the comment is fake?
hm, that'd be a shame, it's a cute exchange

or are you?

as far as i know, it was speculated that to access the video dan logged in as lessamazingphil (at least that was an assumption listed in that long ass vday analysis i read), since he knew the password (there were tweet proofs). so in that case it wouldn't make sense for him to comment as danisnotonfire, especially if you can't comment on private videos.

[malday]

fair point papierklemmen, I just wouldn't think of pranking a small portion of my audience I'd need a good reason myself. but I'm not Dan or Phil (allegedly)

I always just figured it was real but thinking about it, the video was private, which would mean only Phil’s account had access to the video (unless it worked differently in 2010), which would make it impossible for Dan to comment. So either it was unlisted or the comment is fake?
hm, that'd be a shame, it's a cute exchange

It was way different in 2010. You could share private videos with a limited number of people, or your youtube friends(which you had to invite to become your friend) and they could comment on the private videos too. This is no longer possible since last year.

also, more info about private videos

[captainspacecoat]

fair point papierklemmen, I just wouldn't think of pranking a small portion of my audience I'd need a good reason myself. but I'm not Dan or Phil (allegedly)

I always just figured it was real but thinking about it, the video was private, which would mean only Phil’s account had access to the video (unless it worked differently in 2010), which would make it impossible for Dan to comment. So either it was unlisted or the comment is fake?
hm, that'd be a shame, it's a cute exchange

It was way different in 2010. You could share private videos with a limited number of people, or your youtube friends(which you had to invite to become your friend) and they could comment on the private videos too. This is no longer possible since last year.

i could have sworn the video was unlisted, not private. that would have meant phil just sent dan the link, and the glitch meant that the video became available as a listed video on lessamazingphil. i was also fairly certain the comments are real, but i guess i could be wrong

[lerien]

fair point papierklemmen, I just wouldn't think of pranking a small portion of my audience I'd need a good reason myself. but I'm not Dan or Phil (allegedly)

Also Dan's comment on the voldy vid itself, was that fake or real? .

i'm afraid that mystery will never be resolved

So we don't know if it's photoshopped or not?

I always just figured it was real but thinking about it, the video was private, which would mean only Phil’s account had access to the video (unless it worked differently in 2010), which would make it impossible for Dan to comment. So either it was unlisted or the comment is fake?
hm, that'd be a shame, it's a cute exchange

or are you?

as far as i know, it was speculated that to access the video dan logged in as lessamazingphil (at least that was an assumption listed in that long ass vday analysis i read), since he knew the password (there were tweet proofs). so in that case it wouldn't make sense for him to comment as danisnotonfire, especially if you can't comment on private videos.

Seconded - no matter how much I'd like it to be true. Plus, it's just speculation for my part but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone would answer such a personal video (assuming it's real here) by a comment? I mean, they had Skype contact, facebook, probably phone numbers and messenger (was that still a thing in these days? I don't even know), each of those way less impersonal than a Youtube comment (also, phannies who impersonate them are going to drive me insane I swear).

[papierklemmen]

Seconded - no matter how much I'd like it to be true. Plus, it's just speculation for my part but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone would answer such a personal video (assuming it's real here) by a comment? I mean, they had Skype contact, facebook, probably phone numbers and messenger (was that still a thing in these days? I don't even know), each of those way less impersonal than a Youtube comment (also, phannies who impersonate them are going to drive me insane I swear).

meh, i don't see anything weird about responding with a comment. if it's a private video, it's still personal.
if it was set up differently back then, as malday is saying, and you could share private vids with friends & comment under them, then it's fairly plausible he would respond under the video.

...which doesn't mean he didn't respond as part of the prank... lol. or that it wasn't photoshopped.

[lerien]

Seconded - no matter how much I'd like it to be true. Plus, it's just speculation for my part but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone would answer such a personal video (assuming it's real here) by a comment? I mean, they had Skype contact, facebook, probably phone numbers and messenger (was that still a thing in these days? I don't even know), each of those way less impersonal than a Youtube comment (also, phannies who impersonate them are going to drive me insane I swear).

meh, i don't see anything weird about responding with a comment. if it's a private video, it's still personal then.
if it was set up differently back then, as malday is saying, then i see it happening.

Yep, I see your point and I didn't see malday's answer before posting and it does make sense (kind of). Also I suppose I'm mixing up my current perception of Youtube videos with how youtube was perceived then (way more personal since there were less viewers). I don't really know. If this exchange was real, it is really sweet

[captainspacecoat]

Seconded - no matter how much I'd like it to be true. Plus, it's just speculation for my part but it doesn't really make sense to me that someone would answer such a personal video (assuming it's real here) by a comment? I mean, they had Skype contact, facebook, probably phone numbers and messenger (was that still a thing in these days? I don't even know), each of those way less impersonal than a Youtube comment (also, phannies who impersonate them are going to drive me insane I swear).

i guess the comments could have been faked, but i really don't think it was 'phannies impersonating them' in this case - those screenshots have been around for years, literally since the video first leaked i'm pretty sure. i don't really see why someone would photoshop that when the culture surrounding the vday video was what it was back then. i can see someone doing that now, but i guess i just don't really get why anyone would have thought that was necessary, the video itself leaking was probably a big enough deal.

and yeah, like papierklemmen said, i don't see how dan commenting on the video would have been impersonal. he was in india at the time, had shoddy internet connection, and also the video was literally just between the two of them, making it very personal in my opinion. if it were me i would have replied in the comments. they could also have skyped/messaged about it as well tbh

[lerien]

i guess the comments could have been faked, but i really don't think it was 'phannies impersonating them' in this case

Yeah I know, it was more of a general statement And yeah I'm too far in the Internet culture to even remember how Internet was like before the 2010's, this relatively underground geeky new thing where personal boundaries were not even clearly defined yet.

And when I see them basically flirting in their comments back in the days, well I guess I can't really speak about comments feeling a bit impersonal.

[MoonPride]

fair point papierklemmen, I just wouldn't think of pranking a small portion of my audience I'd need a good reason myself. but I'm not Dan or Phil (allegedly)

Also Dan's comment on the voldy vid itself, was that fake or real? .

i'm afraid that mystery will never be resolved

So we don't know if it's photoshopped or not?

I always just figured it was real but thinking about it, the video was private, which would mean only Phil’s account had access to the video (unless it worked differently in 2010), which would make it impossible for Dan to comment. So either it was unlisted or the comment is fake?
hm, that'd be a shame, it's a cute exchange

I think you could private videos but allow certain usernames to view them, as I had a few videos of my daughter on YT back then that was private but I could let my other friend see with her account. OR it was unlisted when he uploaded it and then made it private once he knew Dan had seen it.

[malday]

i guess the comments could have been faked, but i really don't think it was 'phannies impersonating them' in this case - those screenshots have been around for years, literally since the video first leaked i'm pretty sure. i don't really see why someone would photoshop that when the culture surrounding the vday video was what it was back then. i can see someone doing that now, but i guess i just don't really get why anyone would have thought that was necessary, the video itself leaking was probably a big enough deal.

and yeah, like papierklemmen said, i don't see how dan commenting on the video would have been impersonal. he was in india at the time, had shoddy internet connection, and also the video was literally just between the two of them, making it very personal in my opinion. if it were me i would have replied in the comments. they could also have skyped/messaged about it as well tbh

I thoroughly agree.

[PolarFox]

Wasn't one of the supergamers document memes also the "what is dan looking at on his pc"? I remember at the beginning of 2016 tumblr was full of screenshots with Dan's guild wars changed into various... things... yeah.
If he feels comfortable starting out with a filler, then I say he goes for it. Then he has less pressure to put up another quality video and can actually make himself do it. (Who are we kidding but i hope ok. Better meme vid rather than isg)

To the vday thing - i have been using yt since like 2007 and I can confirm that i vividly remember that sharing private videos was a thing. You had like 27 shares of the link and that was it. But you could share it and comment on it and it was a totally legit way of how to send someone a video of something that you maybe wanted to send to one or two people and not really want it in public, so I really do not see the argument of "why would he upload it on yt"
And yeah, there is high probability of the screenshot being legit.

[secretagentphan]

Wasn't one of the supergamers document memes also the "what is dan looking at on his pc"? I remember at the beginning of 2016 tumblr was full of screenshots with Dan's guild wars changed into various... things... yeah.
If he feels comfortable starting out with a filler, then I say he goes for it. Then he has less pressure to put up another quality video and can actually make himself do it. (Who are we kidding but i hope ok. Better meme vid rather than isg)

To the vday thing - i have been using yt since like 2007 and I can confirm that i vividly remember that sharing private videos was a thing. You had like 27 shares of the link and that was it. But you could share it and comment on it and it was a totally legit way of how to send someone a video of something that you maybe wanted to send to one or two people and not really want it in public, so I really do not see the argument of "why would he upload it on yt"
And yeah, there is high probability of the screenshot being legit.

When you type out an awesome elaborate opinion and your Internet fucks up and it all gets deleted.

OKAY well basically I asked if people who were good at photoshop would be able to tell whether the comment is real or not, even though I think it's reasonable to believe it's real.

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

[MoonPride]

Wasn't one of the supergamers document memes also the "what is dan looking at on his pc"? I remember at the beginning of 2016 tumblr was full of screenshots with Dan's guild wars changed into various... things... yeah.
If he feels comfortable starting out with a filler, then I say he goes for it. Then he has less pressure to put up another quality video and can actually make himself do it. (Who are we kidding but i hope ok. Better meme vid rather than isg)

To the vday thing - i have been using yt since like 2007 and I can confirm that i vividly remember that sharing private videos was a thing. You had like 27 shares of the link and that was it. But you could share it and comment on it and it was a totally legit way of how to send someone a video of something that you maybe wanted to send to one or two people and not really want it in public, so I really do not see the argument of "why would he upload it on yt"
And yeah, there is high probability of the screenshot being legit.

When you type out an awesome elaborate opinion and your Internet fucks up and it all gets deleted.

OKAY well basically I asked if people who were good at photoshop would be able to tell whether the comment is real or not, even though I think it's reasonable to believe it's real.

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

I kinda agree with you, if it turns out in the cold light of day 10 years from now it REALLY was just a prank then a "sorry we reacted like douches over it" would be nice.

[lurker]

completely off topic, but i just randomly realized that if all goes well i'll be still around when at age 80, deppy sell the rights to an exclusive interview about their relationship to a screen play writer in order to have a live action movie about them produced which is going to be marketed as a dramatic historical movie in the lines of "In the days...when the Internet was still new...the paths of two unlikely young men crossed...to form a bond...that would last for centuries".

alternatively, i'd also settle for them to recount getting to know each other on drunk history at age 45

[secretagentphan]

Wasn't one of the supergamers document memes also the "what is dan looking at on his pc"? I remember at the beginning of 2016 tumblr was full of screenshots with Dan's guild wars changed into various... things... yeah.
If he feels comfortable starting out with a filler, then I say he goes for it. Then he has less pressure to put up another quality video and can actually make himself do it. (Who are we kidding but i hope ok. Better meme vid rather than isg)

To the vday thing - i have been using yt since like 2007 and I can confirm that i vividly remember that sharing private videos was a thing. You had like 27 shares of the link and that was it. But you could share it and comment on it and it was a totally legit way of how to send someone a video of something that you maybe wanted to send to one or two people and not really want it in public, so I really do not see the argument of "why would he upload it on yt"
And yeah, there is high probability of the screenshot being legit.

When you type out an awesome elaborate opinion and your Internet fucks up and it all gets deleted.

OKAY well basically I asked if people who were good at photoshop would be able to tell whether the comment is real or not, even though I think it's reasonable to believe it's real.

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

I kinda agree with you, if it turns out in the cold light of day 10 years from now it REALLY was just a prank then a "sorry we reacted like douches over it" would be nice.

And I get it to some extent. Dan could've been insecure about his sexuality until recently. We already knew he was insecure about being feminine back then, which I get because society sucks. But like the extent of it was so bad that they should've at least been like "yikes sorry" at some point or acknowledge it.

I feel like I'm getting too worked up about this considering I believe it's real but still.

Also YES where is that Deppy movie at. It'd actually be so beautiful lmao. Too bad the phandom's too at the moment to make it appear beautiful to others lol. I feel like they'd be less insane if they came out in a good way though after some time.

[MoonPride]

completely off topic, but i just randomly realized that if all goes well i'll be still around when at age 80, deppy sell the rights to an exclusive interview about their relationship to a screen play writer in order to have a live action movie about them produced which is going to be marketed as a dramatic historical movie in the lines of "In the days...when the Internet was still new...the paths of two unlikely young men crossed...to form a bond...that would last for centuries".

alternatively, i'd also settle for them to recount getting to know each other on drunk history at age 45

Now that is a non Disney movie I could commit to spending my money at the cinema to watch

[papierklemmen]

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

ok i always see comments about them reacting in a rude/defensive way, but, maybe an unpopular opinion, were they really behaving like "douches" about the video?
dan's gay denials did have a bit of a "the lady doth protest too much" vibe to them and them trying to erase the video from the internet might seem weird, but other than that i don't remember them being particularly rude or defensive about the vday video, except for that one (final?) tumblr response from dan when it was pretty obvious he was losing it because of constantly getting sure jan'd despite their multiple clarifications that they were not dating or the video was a prank (although i don't remember it well, i think that ask didn't even mention the video). their initial reactions were pretty normal ("no, haha, it was just a prank"). maybe i'm forgetting something.

there's also this thing that people say dan is being more open these days... about his sexuality maybe, but it's so bizzare to me, because despite the lies, 2012 dan seemed really raw and in some ways the most honest version of dan there ever was with regards to his attitude to phandom and their bullshit. he completely shut down afterwards and has been walking on eggshells ever since.

[lerien]

OKAY well basically I asked if people who were good at photoshop would be able to tell whether the comment is real or not, even though I think it's reasonable to believe it's real.

Ngl if this is photoshop, this is a good job. I can't rule it out just by looking at it though. The metadata don't seem to show that it has been edited either but you can meddle with those if you're careful enough. I don't who would have bothered at the time though?
However, since this screenshot had been around for a long time, I also tried looking into Photoshop's popularity, but it wasn't conclusive, Photoshop started to be a thing from 2003 and I'm not sure but I think you could add metadata even at the time. If someone has the original source of this screenshot though, it might help
Hence the two hypothesis (the comments are fake or real) have equally plausibility, in term of Photoshop rough expertise anyway. But if it's fake, well, the editor looks like he wanted to be believed awfully much.
(I'm voicing my opinion since my degree revolves around media and internet content and distribution even if image analysis isn't my major. If someone has a more advanced knowledge of Photoshop, I would be glad to hear what they think because I'm really trying not to be biased but it is hard)

tl;dr We can't really conclude if this screenshot has been edited or not.

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

Agreed, Dan's attitude wasn't the best to say it mildly, not to mention really suspicious. I think that with time, Dan learnt that being shady is not solving anything. But there were the early days of their popularity and if they didn't expect it, it might have felt quite intrusive - particularly considering how deep they seemed to be in the closet.

[MoonPride]

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

ok i always see comments about them reacting in a rude/defensive way, but, maybe an unpopular opinion, were they really behaving like "douches" about the video?
dan's gay denials did have a bit of a "the lady doth protest too much" vibe to them and them trying to erase the video from the internet might seem weird, but other than that i don't remember them being particularly rude or defensive about the vday video, except for that one (final?) tumblr response from dan when it was pretty obvious he was losing it because of constantly getting sure jan'd despite their multiple clarifications that they were not dating or the video was a prank (although i don't remember it well, i think that ask didn't even mention the video). their initial reactions were pretty normal ("no, haha, it was just a prank"). maybe i'm forgetting something.

there's also this thing that people say dan is being more open these days... about his sexuality maybe, but it's so bizzare to me, because despite the lies, 2012 dan seemed really raw and in some ways the most honest version of dan there ever was with regards to his attitude to phandom and their bullshit. he completely shut down afterwards and has been walking on eggshells ever since.

I'm not saying his 'I'm not gay' comments are douchey, I'm talking about his general reaction to the video. If it was a prank then there was no need to be so defensive and rude to fans about it

[papierklemmen]

I'm not saying his 'I'm not gay' comments are douchey, I'm talking about his general reaction to the video. If it was a prank then there was no need to be so defensive and rude to fans about it

...that's exactly what i don't get. which of his comments on the video were rude or defensive? apart from the infamous last tumblr answer.

[MoonPride]

I'm not saying his 'I'm not gay' comments are douchey, I'm talking about his general reaction to the video. If it was a prank then there was no need to be so defensive and rude to fans about it

...that's exactly what i don't get. which of his comments on the video were rude or defensive? apart from the infamous last tumblr answer.

Well his Tumblr response is what stands out for me, but then his behaviour around the whole incident which drip fed into 2012 and how he changed around Phil just makes me sad. I'm saying this if it was 100% a prank. Otherwise if it was real then his actions were totally justified and I can't fault him for how reacted.

[secretagentphan]

THEN I said like many other people their reaction makes me think/hope it was real. If I made that video as a prank with my best friend my main concern would be not looking homophobic, I know Internet culture was kind of different, but not different enough to excuse that shit. I feel like if it was a prank the tone would've been WAY more apologetic and WAYYYY less defensive. If they really were just two bros pranking their audience and that's how they responded then they owe all of us a formal fucking apology. I'm usually not one to say stuff like that but it's true. If they really were/are dating than I totally get it and don't think they need to apologize for trying to stay in the closet for privacy, but if they were "telling the truth" the way they handled it was messed up.

ok i always see comments about them reacting in a rude/defensive way, but, maybe an unpopular opinion, were they really behaving like "douches" about the video?
dan's gay denials did have a bit of a "the lady doth protest too much" vibe to them and them trying to erase the video from the internet might seem weird, but other than that i don't remember them being particularly rude or defensive about the vday video, except for that one (final?) tumblr response from dan when it was pretty obvious he was losing it because of constantly getting sure jan'd despite their multiple clarifications that they were not dating or the video was a prank (although i don't remember it well, i think that ask didn't even mention the video). their initial reactions were pretty normal ("no, haha, it was just a prank"). maybe i'm forgetting something.

there's also this thing that people say dan is being more open these days... about his sexuality maybe, but it's so bizzare to me, because despite the lies, 2012 dan seemed really raw and in some ways the most honest version of dan there ever was with regards to his attitude to phandom and their bullshit. he completely shut down afterwards and has been walking on eggshells ever since.

It's funny because usually I'm the person making this argument lol. I totally agree with you, Dans argument made me just think he was part of the lgbt (autocorrect changed this to labyrinth yaaas goblin king rip) community, I was just saying if he WASN'T being defensive and he really did fake it, a lot of gay denials were waaaay over the line. I think if it was real (which I do) than I understand completely and don't think there was anything wrong with the way he reacted.

[papierklemmen]

I'm not saying his 'I'm not gay' comments are douchey, I'm talking about his general reaction to the video. If it was a prank then there was no need to be so defensive and rude to fans about it

...that's exactly what i don't get. which of his comments on the video were rude or defensive? apart from the infamous last tumblr answer.

Well his Tumblr response is what stands out for me, but then his behaviour around the whole incident which drip fed into 2012 and how he changed around Phil just makes me sad. I'm saying this if it was 100% a prank. Otherwise if it was real then his actions were totally justified and I can't fault him for how reacted.

obviously i can't say for sure, but i thought his whole 2012 era was not just a reaction to the voldy, but a combination of things, e.g. people stalking his family, digging up his old pictures, including the nudes and, as he mentioned, people "connecting the dots" (timelines) and spreading around that "phan is real" as a fact, which prompted the change in how he and phil behaved around each other. the way they addressed voldy separately from the rest seemed pretty normal, at least initially.

... ok i'm having a dejavu now since i'm certain i've read these exact conversations on both gg and here millions of times. time to go back to lurking.

[000dia000]

This is completely OT but the real mystery here (correct me if I'm wrong, due to my ignorance to the old YouTube layout) but it appears that LessAmazingPhil has 247 videos this time? When it only currently has 29? Is this actually the number of videos the user who screenshotted this image watched, the number of videos maybe Phil on this channel has watched/liked himself....? Because it doesn't make sense to me how he could have had over 200 videos on this channel-and only 8 remain from this time period.

[MoonPride]

This is completely OT but the real mystery here (correct me if I'm wrong, due to my ignorance to the old YouTube layout) but it appears that LessAmazingPhil has 247 videos this time? When it only currently has 29? Is this actually the number of videos the user who screenshotted this image watched, the number of videos maybe Phil on this channel has watched/liked himself....? Because it doesn't make sense to me how he could have had over 200 videos on this channel-and only 8 remain from this time period.

Hmmmm that's a good observation.