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Dan & Phil Part 36: Wholesome Howell and AmazingPhlegm
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How is it a coincidence? Why would Dan be concerned about people knowing Phil has a jumper and then feel the need to distract from it? I really think he tweeted just to tweet, it doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary to meMoonPride wrote:
Not going to lie but it makes me wonder if Dan saw the jumper speculation and then posts this to take the distraction away from it? Just seems like a bit of a coincidence.
ETA- I still think they was probably gifted to them, but we won't really know.
"Super Mario History 1985-2010"alittledizzy wrote: aw, kirby takes after phil
exactly thisanathema wrote:How is it a coincidence? Why would Dan be concerned about people knowing Phil has a jumper and then feel the need to distract from it? I really think he tweeted just to tweet, it doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary to meMoonPride wrote:
Not going to lie but it makes me wonder if Dan saw the jumper speculation and then posts this to take the distraction away from it? Just seems like a bit of a coincidence.
ETA- I still think they was probably gifted to them, but we won't really know.
Also that's what I call business, you gift two jumpers and then the rest gets sold out (I guess they were a gift instead of them buying it by themselves)
This is very horribly late of me but when i said 'adorable' I was mostly referring to people on twitter and their reactions.alittledizzy wrote:I didn't take it as 'adorable' exactly - I just took it in the same vein as the bro-mate-joking. Dan's tone seeming different fits with me the same way Dan's tone is always different when it's just Dan instead of Dan with Phil. (And the same way Phil's tone is different when it's just him and he's not interacting with Dan.)lilMango wrote:I felt the same way, and found it weird that people took it as an adorable thing... I don't know, it didn't come off to me as a moment that should be saved and cherished and fangirled over, it seemed like an (obviously necessary) jab. That being said, it didn't really affect me negatively. I can't expect anything else at this point. What is he gonna do, say "Phil is my boyfriend and he knows me well"?Catallena wrote: To me, the tone in which he spoke during those parts was not his usual sarcastic tone, if it was it wouldn't make my skin crawl and I'd actually appreciate it because Dan is not nearly enough of sarcastic bastard these days. But it's a specific annoyed tone that he tends to use in liveshows that I can't stand, hence me not usually watching them. Like I'm glad he isn't being an asshole about it like in 2012, but it doesn't make it any less obnoxious and unnecessary to me. The buddy and bro talk is cute when they do it together because then it actually mocks bro culture, while Dan gave more vibes of mocking the viewer for no good reason. Again that's probably just me, I'm bitter and hate fun. Let's move on.
Definitely didn't read it as a jab toward anything but the concept that their ~friendship branding~ is something they maintain with a wink and a nod.
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1. That is the nerdiest bookshelf I have ever laid eyes on.SquishPhan wrote:True.alittledizzy wrote: aw, kirby takes after phil
2. Does Phil need an intervention? Why does he insist on doing himself in? The fork, the gas leak, and now the bookshelf?
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NEEEEERRRRDDSSS!!! OMG I'm actually dead, they are such dweebs. Like just when you think their nerdiness is to be #relatable youtubers you see shit like this (not that I've ever doubted their geekiness tbqh)"Super Mario History 1985-2010"alittledizzy wrote: aw, kirby takes after phil
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Timestamps - I know I was asked not to put them under a cut but damn this got long, and I don't want to make anyone have to scroll pages. I'll continue not hiding normal length ones, though.
Dan's liveshow - 10 January 2017
Dan's liveshow - 10 January 2017
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alittledizzy wrote:Timestamps - I know I was asked not to put them under a cut but damn this got long, and I don't want to make anyone have to scroll pages. I'll continue not hiding normal length ones, though.
Dan's liveshow - 10 January 2017
Are they making it a yearly tradition for Phil to show Dan 80s movies?
What a cute thought...and now my heart hurts lol
this is from a few pages back but
i didn't notice this until you mentioned it. kind of silly, what if someone wants to talk about Michelle Phanmajitzu wrote:For what i know they have the word phan censored on their main channels, and it seems is also censored on their side channels, so when doing the live thing you can't also write it there
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I know this is offtopic but I always like to share my friends who are casual fans of Deppy's view on their relationship.
(This paragraph is literally useless background sorry you can skip it if you want) i showed them to her back in like 2011 when I first started watching, but it was towards the end of 2011 so the no-homoing had already begun. In 2014/15ish when I found the infamous video I showed her because I was so uncomfortable that I felt like I needed to shift some guilt onto her so she could feel my pain.
NOW she watches their Sims series and she was telling me that "At first it was really weird just because I couldn't imagine them being romantically together based on their content, but in their recent videos I just see them as a cute gay (as in relationship not orientation) couple. It's just strange to me it was happening the entire time, not just now."
I thought this was interesting because we all think they are branding as more "coupley" but I personally think we are all so "biased" that it's impossible to tell if that's because they changed their behavior or because now that we "know" our phan goggles are making things look different. Thinking about it though I even got SLIGHT couple vibes (but nothing crazy) from the "I Nearly Blinded Myself" video on DINOF which is CRAZY considering what that channel used to be like.
(This paragraph is literally useless background sorry you can skip it if you want) i showed them to her back in like 2011 when I first started watching, but it was towards the end of 2011 so the no-homoing had already begun. In 2014/15ish when I found the infamous video I showed her because I was so uncomfortable that I felt like I needed to shift some guilt onto her so she could feel my pain.
NOW she watches their Sims series and she was telling me that "At first it was really weird just because I couldn't imagine them being romantically together based on their content, but in their recent videos I just see them as a cute gay (as in relationship not orientation) couple. It's just strange to me it was happening the entire time, not just now."
I thought this was interesting because we all think they are branding as more "coupley" but I personally think we are all so "biased" that it's impossible to tell if that's because they changed their behavior or because now that we "know" our phan goggles are making things look different. Thinking about it though I even got SLIGHT couple vibes (but nothing crazy) from the "I Nearly Blinded Myself" video on DINOF which is CRAZY considering what that channel used to be like.
First: I don't think they're "branding as more 'coupley'" so careful with those 'we's'.secretagentphan wrote:I know this is offtopic but I always like to share my friends who are casual fans of Deppy's view on their relationship.
(This paragraph is literally useless background sorry you can skip it if you want) i showed them to her back in like 2011 when I first started watching, but it was towards the end of 2011 so the no-homoing had already begun. In 2014/15ish when I found the infamous video I showed her because I was so uncomfortable that I felt like I needed to shift some guilt onto her so she could feel my pain.
NOW she watches their Sims series and she was telling me that "At first it was really weird just because I couldn't imagine them being romantically together based on their content, but in their recent videos I just see them as a cute gay (as in relationship not orientation) couple. It's just strange to me it was happening the entire time, not just now."
I thought this was interesting because we all think they are branding as more "coupley" but I personally think we are all so "biased" that it's impossible to tell if that's because they changed their behavior or because now that we "know" our phan goggles are making things look different. Thinking about it though I even got SLIGHT couple vibes (but nothing crazy) from the "I Nearly Blinded Myself" video on DINOF which is CRAZY considering what that channel used to be like.
Second: Interesting. But your friend is still coming at it with the background info you provided her and will still influence how she perceives them. Like take a random person off the street and show them their recent videos, who knows what they would think. Then show them that video, their thoughts would likely change. Them give them all the backstory yada yada, thoughts could change again. I don't know how anybody could go about getting a completely objective (goggle-less of any kind) view of the two of them as they don't live in a vacuum, we don't live in a vacuum, I don't know where any real meaning could be found at this point outside of all the available information.
Also I think it's pretty clear they've changed their behaviour recently, maybe not drastically as this shift has been in the works for over a year really, but it's a noticeable change (maybe not to a totally casual viewer, but still). But (as an example) the 'touch my heart' moment from Slender is objectively a change from how they approached such interactions in the past. There's no phan goggles making me think that, it just is. Without even going into what the change could mean, without showing my bias, there is definitely a change to be observed with them. (It's possible I misunderstood your last paragraph/your point so if this isn't even relevant, ignore me).
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That's interesting! I agree (the blind us a bit....secretagentphan wrote:I know this is offtopic but I always like to share my friends who are casual fans of Deppy's view on their relationship.
(This paragraph is literally useless background sorry you can skip it if you want) i showed them to her back in like 2011 when I first started watching, but it was towards the end of 2011 so the no-homoing had already begun. In 2014/15ish when I found the infamous video I showed her because I was so uncomfortable that I felt like I needed to shift some guilt onto her so she could feel my pain.
NOW she watches their Sims series and she was telling me that "At first it was really weird just because I couldn't imagine them being romantically together based on their content, but in their recent videos I just see them as a cute gay (as in relationship not orientation) couple. It's just strange to me it was happening the entire time, not just now."
I thought this was interesting because we all think they are branding as more "coupley" but I personally think we are all so "biased" that it's impossible to tell if that's because they changed their behavior or because now that we "know" our phan goggles are making things look different. Thinking about it though I even got SLIGHT couple vibes (but nothing crazy) from the "I Nearly Blinded Myself" video on DINOF which is CRAZY considering what that channel used to be like.
Just gonna leave my opinion here (don't mind me!)
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Yeah I actually agree with this too. I didn't really mean they're zalfie branding into this power couple (not that I think zalfie is a power couplefancybum wrote:First: I don't think they're "branding as more 'coupley'" so careful with those 'we's'.secretagentphan wrote:I know this is offtopic but I always like to share my friends who are casual fans of Deppy's view on their relationship.
(This paragraph is literally useless background sorry you can skip it if you want) i showed them to her back in like 2011 when I first started watching, but it was towards the end of 2011 so the no-homoing had already begun. In 2014/15ish when I found the infamous video I showed her because I was so uncomfortable that I felt like I needed to shift some guilt onto her so she could feel my pain.
NOW she watches their Sims series and she was telling me that "At first it was really weird just because I couldn't imagine them being romantically together based on their content, but in their recent videos I just see them as a cute gay (as in relationship not orientation) couple. It's just strange to me it was happening the entire time, not just now."
I thought this was interesting because we all think they are branding as more "coupley" but I personally think we are all so "biased" that it's impossible to tell if that's because they changed their behavior or because now that we "know" our phan goggles are making things look different. Thinking about it though I even got SLIGHT couple vibes (but nothing crazy) from the "I Nearly Blinded Myself" video on DINOF which is CRAZY considering what that channel used to be like.
Second: Interesting. But your friend is still coming at it with the background info you provided her and will still influence how she perceives them. Like take a random person off the street and show them their recent videos, who knows what they would think. Then show them that video, their thoughts would likely change. Them give them all the backstory yada yada, thoughts could change again. I don't know how anybody could go about getting a completely objective (goggle-less of any kind) view of the two of them as they don't live in a vacuum, we don't live in a vacuum, I don't know where any real meaning could be found at this point outside of all the available information.
Also I think it's pretty clear they've changed their behaviour recently, maybe not drastically as this shift has been in the works for over a year really, but it's a noticeable change (maybe not to a totally casual viewer, but still). But (as an example) the 'touch my heart' moment from Slender is objectively a change from how they approached such interactions in the past. There's no phan goggles making me think that, it just is. Without even going into what the change could mean, without showing my bias, there is definitely a change to be observed with them. (It's possible I misunderstood your last paragraph/your point so if this isn't even relevant, ignore me).
)I just meant MORE so than before, like you said their approach to things changed. I realize that since she saw the video/their reaction after to the video of no homoing she was already biased, but on the other hand that's basically knowing all the facts. I feel like I was just as biased before when I knew nothing about the voldy video and Dan and Phil acted like heterosexual buddies who would be DISGUSTED by even shaking hands with their best friend lol. That's why it's so damn hard to have a clear view on things imo, no matter what with deppy SOMETHING is making you biased.-
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when i delved into the phandom this year and caught up on gg i found that people have been seeing signs of them loosening up and being more open and "dropping hints" about them being together/potential coming out since the beginning of times, to the point that people thought that the video phil was uploading when they were both on IoM would be a coming out video and everything went into panic mode LOL.
(i def thought that gamingmas had a different vibe to it and was more relaxed, but when i looked back at their first gaming videos and those from 2015 in the midst of their tour, i realised that they just went back to what they originally were. i think 2015 and half of 2016 they were being really hammy in their videos because of their show theatrics; after all they were playing shows and rehearsing constantly, it's no wonder all the acting seeped into their youtube videos. however, there was still a subtle, but noticeable change, like that abovementioned "feel my heartbeat" moment).
i never thought they were a couple as a casual viewer though, and i was one for a year and a half.
(i def thought that gamingmas had a different vibe to it and was more relaxed, but when i looked back at their first gaming videos and those from 2015 in the midst of their tour, i realised that they just went back to what they originally were. i think 2015 and half of 2016 they were being really hammy in their videos because of their show theatrics; after all they were playing shows and rehearsing constantly, it's no wonder all the acting seeped into their youtube videos. however, there was still a subtle, but noticeable change, like that abovementioned "feel my heartbeat" moment).
i never thought they were a couple as a casual viewer though, and i was one for a year and a half.
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Ok I showed my 55 year old Mother one of their videos when me and my kiddo was at her house as she wanted to watch Deppy on the huge HD tv, my mum who has no interest in YouTube or any one from it asked us after the video what's going on with them, she said she doesn't know if they are supposed to be best friends or boyfriends, but she did ask me if they was gay.
I think that you can't really ask someone for a honest and fresh opinion on their relationship if you explain what you think or give out a back story to what has happened in the past.
I think that you can't really ask someone for a honest and fresh opinion on their relationship if you explain what you think or give out a back story to what has happened in the past.
First, I want to say that I personally don't think they are together romantically even if they're definitely closer imo than "traditionnal friendship".
Anyway. I showed a friend some of their recent videos (mostly baking and gaming videos) and I don't think my friend ever watched their videos before or watches them when I'm not specifically sending him a link. And I was discussing how "no-homo" they used to be in 2012 and how I was happy Dan particularly is not handling his possibly non-straight sexuality as a taboo of some sort. And my friend looked confused and asked me "Wait, they're not together?"
So here you are. Their last videos can definitely look coupley to a casual viewer.
PS: I don't know if it matters but my friend is gay and doesn't have a stereotyped view of genders (like thinking guys can't be touchy with their friends or things like that) but it is possible - he admitted it himself - that he sometimes projects his sexuality. So idk.
PPS: I don't see Dan and Phil as a couple but it might be me projecting as well, I'm aromantic and very close to my friends so. Yeah. I tend to misread romantic behaviours in general.
Anyway. I showed a friend some of their recent videos (mostly baking and gaming videos) and I don't think my friend ever watched their videos before or watches them when I'm not specifically sending him a link. And I was discussing how "no-homo" they used to be in 2012 and how I was happy Dan particularly is not handling his possibly non-straight sexuality as a taboo of some sort. And my friend looked confused and asked me "Wait, they're not together?"
So here you are. Their last videos can definitely look coupley to a casual viewer.
PS: I don't know if it matters but my friend is gay and doesn't have a stereotyped view of genders (like thinking guys can't be touchy with their friends or things like that) but it is possible - he admitted it himself - that he sometimes projects his sexuality. So idk.
PPS: I don't see Dan and Phil as a couple but it might be me projecting as well, I'm aromantic and very close to my friends so. Yeah. I tend to misread romantic behaviours in general.
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I'm never sure what the point is in trying to prove or disprove that they seem like a couple from casual observation. (I mean, it can be totally fun to discuss, and doesn't bother me; this isn't meant as critique of the conversation just confusion on the sometimes emphasis of that proving or disproving things.)
With Dan and Phil, when trying to decide whether they're a couple or not, I think the context and history of them is far, far more important than how their chemistry reads to someone who may have their own influenced bias or societal bias (apart from any awareness of Dan or Phil) that makes things more or less obvious anyway. Not to mention, there is no one set way in which couples are supposed to act, even if you remove the closeted situation. The moments in which they're 'acting' like a couple are icing on the cake to me, they're the things that make me stop and smile but not what I'm basing any decisions on.
But on the topic of their change in December, yeah, that is interesting to see how the casual fans are reading that. Because as fancybum said, even if there are mixed opinions on what it means or the motive here, there was absolutely a shift in behavior.
With Dan and Phil, when trying to decide whether they're a couple or not, I think the context and history of them is far, far more important than how their chemistry reads to someone who may have their own influenced bias or societal bias (apart from any awareness of Dan or Phil) that makes things more or less obvious anyway. Not to mention, there is no one set way in which couples are supposed to act, even if you remove the closeted situation. The moments in which they're 'acting' like a couple are icing on the cake to me, they're the things that make me stop and smile but not what I'm basing any decisions on.
But on the topic of their change in December, yeah, that is interesting to see how the casual fans are reading that. Because as fancybum said, even if there are mixed opinions on what it means or the motive here, there was absolutely a shift in behavior.
I don't know if this is helpful or not, but when I showed a video of them to my boyfriend last year (it was a casual video, not a PINOF, but one of their Gaming Channel), he was sure they were in a relationship straight away. He was like "oh, they are so cute as a couple" and I went "the f*** did you just say??". Now, he is surprised when I have doubts about their status, because in his opinion it's crystalclear that they are gays and that they are in a relationship.
Maybe my boyfriend is the only cishet man who is not immediately prone to think in an heteronormative way or something, idk but it surprised me in a good way
Maybe my boyfriend is the only cishet man who is not immediately prone to think in an heteronormative way or something, idk but it surprised me in a good way
Rai wrote: Maybe my boyfriend is the only cishet man who is not immediately prone to think in an heteronormative way or something
Hm.Rai wrote: in his opinion it's crystalclear that they are gays
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I brought it up more because I think other people's perception of their relationship is interesting, I agree that the only thing that "proves" anything is their history. I feel like if anything, us wanting to know so hard makes us more phanostic because we analyze it so hard we start doubting ourselves. Show a random person Dan and Phil and all their history and I think the logical reaction for the most part is to go "oh they're a couple then." But because we're so invested we don't want to get our hopes up/ overthink.alittledizzy wrote:I'm never sure what the point is in trying to prove or disprove that they seem like a couple from casual observation. (I mean, it can be totally fun to discuss, and doesn't bother me; this isn't meant as critique of the conversation just confusion on the sometimes emphasis of that proving or disproving things.)
With Dan and Phil, when trying to decide whether they're a couple or not, I think the context and history of them is far, far more important than how their chemistry reads to someone who may have their own influenced bias or societal bias (apart from any awareness of Dan or Phil) that makes things more or less obvious anyway. Not to mention, there is no one set way in which couples are supposed to act, even if you remove the closeted situation. The moments in which they're 'acting' like a couple are icing on the cake to me, they're the things that make me stop and smile but not what I'm basing any decisions on.
But on the topic of their change in December, yeah, that is interesting to see how the casual fans are reading that. Because as fancybum said, even if there are mixed opinions on what it means or the motive here, there was absolutely a shift in behavior.
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This, this, for sure. We train ourselves to doubt obvious cues - for any number of reasons - when from the outside looking in the situation (fully explained) looks pretty clear cut to most people.secretagentphan wrote:I brought it up more because I think other people's perception of their relationship is interesting, I agree that the only thing that "proves" anything is their history. I feel like if anything, us wanting to know so hard makes us more phanostic because we analyze it so hard we start doubting ourselves. Show a random person Dan and Phil and all their history and I think the logical reaction for the most part is to go "oh they're a couple then." But because we're so invested we don't want to get our hopes up/ overthink.
just to add to this -- i don't think that it's generally not interesting to share other people's impressions of deppy, so this is in no way directed at the original question, but in general, if a casual viewer thinks for one reason or the other that they are or are not romantically involved, besides the fact that it will be influenced by any provided background information (as fancybum said), their perception will as well be shaped by their own orientation, experiences, social environment, society, etc. -- no one lives in a bubble. a casual viewer sharing an opinion or impression on deppy's relationship will most likely have judged by comparing their behaviour to their own internal standard on what holds as a platonic or a romantic relationship. as no one is able to "deduct" or "proove" someone's orientations and the nature of their environment, i feel like the conclusions or impression they might arrive at is, if anything, only telling about the viewer themselves. this is not meant in a judging way -- a person with close friends who also express physical closeness will probably be more likely to believe they're platonic friends, things like that. especially in yt comments (i know, i know), there are so many of the "i showed them to my straight best friend and he said it was obvious they were a couple" type comments, and they always make me feel uncomfortable, as they cater to the notion that someone's orientation can somehow be deducted from their behaviour, plus they are mainly telling about our images of masculinity and male-male friendships, but maybe let's not open that tin.alittledizzy wrote:I'm never sure what the point is in trying to prove or disprove that they seem like a couple from casual observation. (I mean, it can be totally fun to discuss, and doesn't bother me; this isn't meant as critique of the conversation just confusion on the sometimes emphasis of that proving or disproving things.)
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I for one, don't really think that experience or outside experience really applies to deppy. (One of my pet peeves is seeing "well me and my friend act like that, and people think we're in a relationship but we're not. I look at my friend like that all the time.")
Sure, it is interesting getting an outsiders opinion, as we do have a tendency to over think and self doubt- but we self doubt for a reason. Not everybody has built up the context of information that we have. Nobody has built a rationale.
When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.
The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.
Sure, it is interesting getting an outsiders opinion, as we do have a tendency to over think and self doubt- but we self doubt for a reason. Not everybody has built up the context of information that we have. Nobody has built a rationale.
When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.
The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.
