SquishPhan wrote:
I'm jealous, that looks really good.
The way they cut the rambutan is not acceptable, is that how Caucasian eat them?
I'm from the middle of the US, and have only seen/eaten a rambutan in the past year or two. Always served whole or peeled. Is that not typical?
Yes, whole or peeled is typical, cut in half like is the weirdest thing i've ever seen hahah
When cooks are going for pretty and artsy (and expensive looking), all common sense is thrown out of the window :')
Diyes_Celine wrote:
Omg. I thought I was the only one who noticed that the rambutan was cut in half. That's UNACCEPTABLE. How can you eat/suck on the flesh around the seed without tasting the bitter seed??? They're wasting my favorite fruit.
Well looking forward to how this "Japanese outlet" chef will present durian imagining it served with the thorns.
melon lord wrote:
I'm commenting on a shift in the attitude and behaviour of the fans through the years, which is only my personal observation and I don't have graphs or statistics to back it up. I'm saying if they did, now as opposed to back then would be much more accepting, and again, this is just my opinion. For the reasons I stated: normalisation of their symbiosis and relationship, whatever that is.
They could hide "the truth" until they are old and grey and we all have dementia and have forgotten why we were on this forum in the first place. They could hire a blimp tomorrow and have a giant PHAN IS REAL banner tied on it, flying over London. My point was about the fans' perspective and the way the fans act, regardless of reality, which we just don't know. We can make a lot of assumptions, connect a lot of dots, but that's about it, I'm afraid.
Now see, this is part of why I have distaste over posting my thoughts here. I said "best time" in the beginning of my post and then went on to explain my thought process and nowhere did I imply that I am holding a knife over anyone's throat, metaphorically. It could be that my thought process is shit and that's up for debate, but I did not imply anywhere that I have marked a date on my giant phan calendar and if they don't confess by then so help me.
I wanted a discussion on the fandom. On how it was back then and how it is now and the changes and developments. I wanted a chat about how actually BELIEVING in Phan (not just casually shipping cause you think it's kawaii) was more of a dark niche in the phandom as opposed to now where it's a gigantic beacon shining brightly. I thought about how fans coming in different years would have a different opinion/attitude about Phan and how those nuances would change. I considered the possibility that now is a more accepting and calm era of being a fan than it was back then, even though there are still clashes and rumours and nasty stuff going on. I hoped that, regardless of what they do, from my POV in the gigantic moshpit of fans looking up at Deppy, maybe these will be brighter and more open years than 2012 ever was.
As a still-pretty-new phan, I for one am fascinated by the historical perspectives from people who "were there", and am all ears for your perspective!
It's sometimes hard to reconcile, for example, the trope that they "probably broke up [for a while]" in 2012-13, when what I see is great video content, the radio show, and many wonderfully cute minutes of them in each other's liveshows. That is, the easily-accessible record of that time can seem very Phan-positive. (Yes I am aware of the Customer Service Blog, but that seems minor in comparison.) So, I have to rely on perceptions of people who were phans at the time to fill in the picture of how it was a rough year (or years).
As someone ~who was there~ I do think 2012 gets exaggerated a lot. It wasn't all terrible. Even looking back on it, it was mostly.. weird, confusing and awkward. One moment Phil would try to get Dan to come closer only to get in the damn shot and he'd get pissy, the next they'd be singing The Phantom Of The Opera together. 2012 was literally just 'One step forward, two steps back' all the time, but it wasn't the apocalypse people make it out to be.
It wasn't exactly fun to have Dan going off at us and have the rest of the phandom see phan shippers as the actual reincarnation of Satan but we all survived. We quite enjoyed taking the piss out of their hypocritical no homo shit as well. Which might be mean when you now think about how stressed they might've been about everything but different times yo.
momoroki wrote:melon lord interesting rant! I was also a part of the fandom back in 2012 - was a completely cringey dangirl back then. I didn't hate Phil but I just didn't get his sense of humour and thought he was weird (a thought that breaks 2017!me's heart) and I know a lot of twelvie dangirls like me had shared the sentiment. Unlike now, where it is almost impossible to think of Dan without Phil or vice versa, they def seemed more like "just a couple of dudes,, with completely separate channels and separate lives, sharing a flat, no homo" to the general public. Now (like you mentioned) it seems like even people who don't know them think of them as a unit. As a person who was on the "opposite side of the phandom" so to speak, there was definitely a bit of a stigma around shippers at the time. It's cool to have seen the phandom community grow and evolve as have developed.
As for the topic of them "coming out", I'm still not entirely convinced that they're together (as in, in a traditional romantic relationship) and lean more towards the queerplatonic/soulmate (?) explanation - but I agree that now is the time to do so if they do feel like they have to come out.
this is what keeps me up at night, like what kind of relationship do they posses, I know we have no solid proof but like... best guesses anyone?
"when you finna nut but no one wants to help with your kink"
melon lord I really enjoyed your post! I first discovered dnp in December 2012 when I was 16, and was in the phandom until 2014 when I got busy with school/bored and left. Coming back in 2016 was wild, in that the phandom itself was just so so so different. When I first discovered them, the shippers were kind of viewed as a crazy, out-of-control minority. From what I can remember, while a lot people shipped them in the sense that they thought they'd make a cute couple, most people didn't actually believe they were together. Making outright claims that they were together was pretty frowned upon, and self-policing was pretty rampant.
I was pretty shocked to come back mid-2016 and discover that there were a lot of people who genuinely and rationally believed they were together, and that there was a general consensus among much of the phandom that they may very well be together just hiding it for completely understandable reasons. 2012 me would never have thought that 2016/17 me would be pretty convinced they actually are together.
It does seem that, at least among the most active and involved members of Dan and Phil's audience, 'anti-shippers' are the minority. If they were to come out now it would obviously be a huge deal among the internet community, but I think you're right that the reaction from viewers would probably be a lot nicer now than it would have been back in the 2012-2014ish era. It almost feels like they've kind of (unintentionally or intentionally, I don't know) normalised their partnership in a way that they seemed to be working against in 2012/2013. But of course, as you said, they have no obligation to come out and I'd guess their reasons for keeping their relationship private are probably a lot more complicated than a potential loss in subscribers/shitstorm from the viewers.
I don't think there is a consensus on the topic; I'm on team Dan was taller than Phil when they met, based on the picture I link in the previous thread.
I think one of the problems is that Dan (and Phil?) have been pretty inconsistent in how they state their heights over the years. (Thanks for pointing to the vyou--I don't remember seeing that one.)
I don't think there is a consensus on the topic; I'm on team Dan was taller than Phil when they met, based on the picture I link in the previous thread.
I think one of the problems is that Dan (and Phil?) have been pretty inconsistent in how they state their heights over the years. (Thanks for pointing to the vyou--I don't remember seeing that one.)
ahh I checked out the thread and it seems like most people couldn't back their opinion with solid evidence. in some photos dan would be standing behind phil, making him look shorter, or gifs of them walking side by side made them the same height. Dan could be roughly estimating his height in the video I linked, but considering his slight insecurity about his stature, he might have measured himself accurately to find out how tall he actually is. with people always mentioning his height.(this is all "educated" guesses)
side note: I was scrolling through about 890(I'm crazy lol it took me 2 hours) vyou answers on a youtube playlist, and when I saw this one, I was like, wow my problems, the conspiracies, the theorizing, are finally solved.
edit: I saw your picture and it does seem that dan is taller, but also the combination of phils bad posture and hunched pose with his shoulders up, might contribute to making dan look taller, also we don't know what the ground looked like that they were standing on.
"when you finna nut but no one wants to help with your kink"
melon lord wrote:
I'm commenting on a shift in the attitude and behaviour of the fans through the years, which is only my personal observation and I don't have graphs or statistics to back it up. I'm saying if they did, now as opposed to back then would be much more accepting, and again, this is just my opinion. For the reasons I stated: normalisation of their symbiosis and relationship, whatever that is.
They could hide "the truth" until they are old and grey and we all have dementia and have forgotten why we were on this forum in the first place. They could hire a blimp tomorrow and have a giant PHAN IS REAL banner tied on it, flying over London. My point was about the fans' perspective and the way the fans act, regardless of reality, which we just don't know. We can make a lot of assumptions, connect a lot of dots, but that's about it, I'm afraid.
Now see, this is part of why I have distaste over posting my thoughts here. I said "best time" in the beginning of my post and then went on to explain my thought process and nowhere did I imply that I am holding a knife over anyone's throat, metaphorically. It could be that my thought process is shit and that's up for debate, but I did not imply anywhere that I have marked a date on my giant phan calendar and if they don't confess by then so help me.
I wanted a discussion on the fandom. On how it was back then and how it is now and the changes and developments. I wanted a chat about how actually BELIEVING in Phan (not just casually shipping cause you think it's kawaii) was more of a dark niche in the phandom as opposed to now where it's a gigantic beacon shining brightly. I thought about how fans coming in different years would have a different opinion/attitude about Phan and how those nuances would change. I considered the possibility that now is a more accepting and calm era of being a fan than it was back then, even though there are still clashes and rumours and nasty stuff going on. I hoped that, regardless of what they do, from my POV in the gigantic moshpit of fans looking up at Deppy, maybe these will be brighter and more open years than 2012 ever was.
As a still-pretty-new phan, I for one am fascinated by the historical perspectives from people who "were there", and am all ears for your perspective!
It's sometimes hard to reconcile, for example, the trope that they "probably broke up [for a while]" in 2012-13, when what I see is great video content, the radio show, and many wonderfully cute minutes of them in each other's liveshows. That is, the easily-accessible record of that time can seem very Phan-positive. (Yes I am aware of the Customer Service Blog, but that seems minor in comparison.) So, I have to rely on perceptions of people who were phans at the time to fill in the picture of how it was a rough year (or years).
As someone ~who was there~ I do think 2012 gets exaggerated a lot. It wasn't all terrible. Even looking back on it, it was mostly.. weird, confusing and awkward. One moment Phil would try to get Dan to come closer only to get in the damn shot and he'd get pissy, the next they'd be singing The Phantom Of The Opera together. 2012 was literally just 'One step forward, two steps back' all the time, but it wasn't the apocalypse people make it out to be.
It wasn't exactly fun to have Dan going off at us and have the rest of the phandom see phan shippers as the actual reincarnation of Satan but we all survived. We quite enjoyed taking the piss out of their hypocritical no homo shit as well. Which might be mean when you now think about how stressed they might've been about everything but different times yo.
I completely agree with you about 2012. While there was obviously Dan going nuts at the Phandom for...the video, there was also just a lot more content together in general and much more interaction with the audience? (imo) There was the Super Amazing Project, joint liveshows, VYou, and into 2013 there was also the radio show. Yes, they appear much more friendly towards each other now, but it wasn't all bad. or maybe i'm just salty about their dwindling amount of content
And really, when I joined the Phandom in 2012, shipping was still huge. If anything, Dan desperately trying to cover it up just added fuel to the fire. I would still think that first-time viewers now would still have more or less the same thoughts about their relationship as one would in 2012, but that's hard for me to tell since I have been watching since then.
"I think stalking someone to become their friend is rather weird" - Phil Lester, 2006
wait are we having phan nostalgia hour?! Because I'm so here for that My nostalgia
I was a boother (*cringe) back in the day, which is how I became a fan of phil, and I mostly just knew him from twitter and DB, I loved him on twitter and DB but I couldn’t get through a lot of his videos unless there was another person there and, like, I even clicked on PINOF when it uploaded but got bored 10 seconds in ugh now you know my secret shame
But I remember even with the shameless flirting that went on people weren’t extremely invested in their relationship, more curious than anything. Even after The Video unprivated people didn’t ship them, although I was still just a casually into phil at the time so maybe there was a big reaction among avid fans, but either way people didn’t really talk about it too much after the initial shock wore down. tbh I was right around when Charlie was the first to hit 1 mil sub, so Deppy prob didn’t have a huge fanbase
And lol I think it was right after dan’s shipping video when the whole danosaur vs. phillion thing exploded, and everyone argued about who was better more than if they were dating.
My guess is that a bit less than half the fandom shipped them in 2013, but a lot who did ship were very vocal about it. If I had to compare it to something I would say it was kinda similar to the 1D/Larry ship, but not as crazy (nothing is as crazy as the larry ) When I came back over summer I was a bit surprised at how many people started shipping them.
and momoroki I'm with you on the cringe, while I did like dan I was a staunch phillion, a good chunk of my high school career was reblogging tumblr posts from danosaur vs. phillion fights
2012
I totally agree that the whole "2012 was hell" thing is often exaggerated...if you weren't there all you hear is apocalyptic horror stories of "phan denial" and dan meltdowns. In those stories the bad things always seem to trump the good things, but for every awkward no homo-esque thing that happened something so…intimate happened (is intimate the right word? Friendly? Close? Trademark Dan and Phil-ly?)
And if we were there we sometimes forget the details of what happened and instead remember the feelings we would get watching them—it was like getting whiplash every time they’d interact. Someone mentioned when they would sing romantic duet(s) together yet dan would make a fuss because he didn’t want to sit too close to phil, and that’s a perfect way to sum up that time in their lives. it was like one liveshow Dan would get super offended and rude when someone asked for him to go get Phil, yet the next show he would have phil join him for the last 20 minutes and it would feel like we were third wheeling. But at the same time there was never really doubt that they weren’t still very important to each other (at least imo, except for one time I think dan wouldn’t call phil his best friend or something and everyone freaked out, I can’t quite remember, did that happen?).
anyway, sure there were times they more awkward around each other than they were before, but if anything I would say Deppy’s relationship with their fans was rockier than their relationship with each other. Dan didn’t know how to handle his sudden popularity/commitments and phil (for debatable reasons) started to become one dimensional. Dan was…well you know…and phil was distant.
I started watching them again this summer, and I don't need to preach to the choir when I say how different they are from when I last stanned them...but at the same time I can't say I'm really surprised with how they evolved into the D&P they are now, they seem so much more mature even when they’re making the same jokes they made 4 years ago. And I’m literally so happy Phil’s exited his scene phase (:stan: ) and became comfortable showing his personality.
height
I definitely agree with viofish, I'm 90% sure Dan was never shorter than Phil--I think they were the same height until Dan grew about an inch while he was in university. They have so many wonderful attributes but posture is not one of them. (omg i remember when the fantastic foursom was still a thing and there was a national crisis b/c no one could figure out if pj or phil was taller because phil just would never stand up straight )
relationship
And I do agree that if they were together and if they wished to make their relationship public, now would be an okay time to do it, not just because their viewership is comfortable with the idea but because public opinion has changed. I mean, there’s a reason so many LGBT youtubers (and tbh celebrities in general) didn’t come out until around 2015. (sure it’s only been a few years but public opinion changes quickly, and the world is way less accepting than it should be, but…like I, for one, am not terrified to hold my partner’s hand in public the way I was 4 years ago)
idk y but I’m kinda more interested in the way they publicly present their relationship now (whether they’re together, which I believe they are, or otherwise), and I don’t really know how to verbalize what I want to say lol, but I don’t really judge them for the way they tried to distance their brands back then. In general close male friendships are scrutinized and they definitely were experiencing that after starting at the bbc and gaining more attention; like, people acting like their friendship’s always the butt of a joke and they must be A Gay™ b/c boys shouldn't close with other boys the way D&P are.
wtf I spent almost 3 hours on this, It's 5am. I get distracted too easily (I'm sorry I didn't proof read)
I'm really loving the perspectives from people in phandom during that point. I watched Dan for a few months in 2012 and was aware of Phil and vaguely aware of them being shipped but it didn't really penetrative my fandom world so it was massively an afterthought to me. (When I did decide to follow Dan more closely I didn't like what I saw so I checked out quickly, which in retrospect - yeah, Dan's attitude had to do with a reaction to the video and not general homophobia, but I wasn't aware of the video's existence at all at the time.)
dontpanic wrote:And if we were there we sometimes forget the details of what happened and instead remember the feelings we would get watching them—it was like getting whiplash every time they’d interact. Someone mentioned when they would sing romantic duet(s) together yet dan would make a fuss because he didn’t want to sit too close to phil, and that’s a perfect way to sum up that time in their lives. it was like one liveshow Dan would get super offended and rude when someone asked for him to go get Phil, yet the next show he would have phil join him for the last 20 minutes and it would feel like we were third wheeling. But at the same time there was never really doubt that they weren’t still very important to each other (at least imo, except for one time I think dan wouldn’t call phil his best friend or something and everyone freaked out, I can’t quite remember, did that happen?).
anyway, sure there were times they more awkward around each other than they were before, but if anything I would say Deppy’s relationship with their fans was rockier than their relationship with each other. Dan didn’t know how to handle his sudden popularity/commitments and phil (for debatable reasons) started to become one dimensional. Dan was…well you know…and phil was distant.
Without being too assertive about it since I wasn't in phandom at the time, I've always felt like this must be true - that people are reducing the tension in 2012 down to Dan and Phil because the audience always feels like an observer to a scenario, whereas in this case the audience was an actual participant with influence.
dontpanic wrote:wait are we having phan nostalgia hour?! Because I'm so here for that
And lol I think it was right after dan’s shipping video when the whole danosaur vs. phillion thing exploded, and everyone argued about who was better more than if they were dating.
wtf I spent almost 3 hours on this, It's 5am. I get distracted too easily
Thanks so much for the 3-hour effort! It really helps paint the picture of what was going on.
Another nostalgia question, for anyone who feels they can weigh in: what was "the whole danosaur vs. phillion thing"? Why did it become a thing to compare them and choose a favorite? That seems obnoxious on so many levels.
It also seems to me that there are still (annoying) echos of that today in the "get Phil to x million / reblog if you think Phil is as good as Dan" posts that go around Tumblr about every other day. (I have never seen a post that suggests one is better than the other.) It seems like the same phenomenon--forced comparison--but then one must better than the other and now they must be exactly the same. Can anyone shed light on when that switch was flipped?
simmehchan wrote:
Having fun in or on the way to the Isle of Man, I see.
Edit:
alittledizzy wrote:The sign behind them says iom - does that mean they're already there? Or is that still on the way?
if i'm reading it right, it says "iomstamps.com", which redirects to the iom post office website, which would probably only be advertised on the iom itself, so i'm guessing they're already there.
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dontpanic wrote:wait are we having phan nostalgia hour?! Because I'm so here for that
And lol I think it was right after dan’s shipping video when the whole danosaur vs. phillion thing exploded, and everyone argued about who was better more than if they were dating.
wtf I spent almost 3 hours on this, It's 5am. I get distracted too easily
Thanks so much for the 3-hour effort! It really helps paint the picture of what was going on.
Another nostalgia question, for anyone who feels they can weigh in: what was "the whole danosaur vs. phillion thing"? Why did it become a thing to compare them and choose a favorite? That seems obnoxious on so many levels.
It also seems to me that there are still (annoying) echos of that today in the "get Phil to x million / reblog if you think Phil is as good as Dan" posts that go around Tumblr about every other day. (I have never seen a post that suggests one is better than the other.) It seems like the same phenomenon--forced comparison--but then one must better than the other and now they must be
exactly the same. Can anyone shed light on when that switch was flipped?
The comparisons arose when Dans fanbase grew and the dangirls at the time were very aggressive. From my tumblr days, I remember hearing stories from online friends that dangirls would bully philgirls (I refuse to say phillion even if I referred to myself as one back then ) in school. It almost became a war of sorts, philgirls hated dangirls and by extension dan, wheras dangirls either antagonized phil fans or Phil himself or focused on their stan. All I remember is I was miserable because I didn't like the idea of Phil or my online friends being antagonized so I would send Phil supportive videos telling him how great he was (these have all been burned now except one that's in my sisters possesion) . Looking back at it now, I realized I was 16 and only saw one side of the story. Im friends with someone now who was the co-creator of one of the biggest "dangirl" blogs in 2012.
I know what came out of the animosity was the comparisons, and people wanting Phil to be as loved as Dan, and that sentiment still runs through today. The phil-centric side argued dan wouldn't be anywhere as famous without phil (eh questionable, maybe, maybe not but the opposite is true). The dan centric side furthered their gif making efforts on tumblr Do I agree with it? Well I do sometimes want Phil to be appreciated, but I understand his content needs work right now and that he's not everyone flavor (the thing I couldnt grasp then) And the equal and better thing is a change in expectation and a growing love for Dan that was seen in the phil-centric side of the phandom. Then, he was an aggressive, bratty guy that came off as cocky and self-important. Now with soft dan and dan actually openly showing he enjoys phils quirks instead of shames them, there's been a general increase and appreciation for dan. I see the opposite side true too, dangirls appreciating phil as well so yep there my rant.
simmehchan wrote:
Having fun in or on the way to the Isle of Man, I see.
Edit:
alittledizzy wrote:The sign behind them says iom - does that mean they're already there? Or is that still on the way?
if i'm reading it right, it says "iomstamps.com", which redirects to the iom post office website, which would probably only be advertised on the iom itself, so i'm guessing they're already there.
Okay but the fact that they openly acknowledged they were together and even had that background (dont tell me tactical/zoomy" Phil didnt see it) is such a growth from the fathers day trip. They even saved us the work of trying to figure out where they were and explicitly said we are together with Phil's family". I hope this runs thorughout their stay and we see some pics or videos? (LessAmazingPhill still exists ) with Dan and the family.....ew theyre gross and happy
Having fun in or on the way to the Isle of Man, I see.
I'm glad they are enjoying themselves.
Welp that's the most adorable thing I've ever seen. Dan looks so cute they're so married I CANNOT. I love how a few years ago we all would've freaked out about Dan going on a Lester getaway for Phil's birthday ALONG with the "friends get together." Like they're basically a couple and no one freaks out about it anymore, if they want to be lowkey open about their relationship so it's accepted without being a focal point they are doing an amazing job.
I was literally in tears regarding current events, and Dan's tweets have me grinning like an idiot. I love how open and happy they are right now. I hope Phil has the best birthday ever
malday wrote:Bryony tweeted earlier:
"I get to hang out with a real life shibe tomorrow so that's pretty ace"
"ace" is something a northerner would say, right?
could she be going up north for Phil's b-day and there is a shibe there ...somehow
I love a good Perhaps Phil's bday present ?!?! I mean, I seriously doubt it, but it's fun to dream.
imagining it served with the thorns.
) When I came back over summer I was a bit surprised at how many people started shipping them. 
) in school. It almost became a war of sorts, philgirls hated dangirls and by extension dan, wheras dangirls either antagonized phil fans or Phil himself or focused on their stan. All I remember is I was miserable because I didn't like the idea of Phil or my online friends being antagonized so I would send Phil supportive videos telling him how great he was (these have all been burned now except one that's in my sisters possesion) . Looking back at it now, I realized I was 16 and only saw one side of the story. Im friends with someone now who was the co-creator of one of the biggest "dangirl" blogs in 2012. 
) with Dan and the family.....ew theyre gross and happy 
