Dan & Phil Part 38: Everlasting as the Sun

[malday]

[TW=][/TW]

[offtopic]So I just showed V-video to my friend (so sue me) and finally, FINALLY someone agrees with me at it looks very obviously scripted. I used to be so conflicted before because literally even the hardcoredest demon antiphannies I know would claim the video is an example of great performance from Phil and go on to dismantle it from there and at least one other person agrees it looks like a very technical acting job

I_am_not_alone_no_more.jpg[/offtopic]

Not to completely dismiss this, because I can totally see why you'd think this and sometimes I think about the "scripted" thing too. But one thing that recently kind of changed my perception on it was when people found proof of people commenting on other "leaked" videos on Phil's channel or a similar sort of content. While no other proof of them exist other than the tweets, this kind of changed my mind about what I originally felt sceptic about "the holes" in the possibility of it being real. Then again, then videos could have been "embellishment" or others may completely dismiss it. But I find it a neat thing to sort of think about, to expand what we already know about voldy into a possible broader connection of videos-whether real or fake, based upon interpretation. While it's good to get a reaction to the video outside of the phandom-bias, context is important. Nevertheless, talking about voldy is like beating a dead horse so I'll stop.

Can you please explain what you mean by this? I'm not exactly sure what you're referencing here :wtf:

http://indepthbants.com/topic575.html
It's here on IDB, if you go down to the question on a "second v-day video"

I thought the "second vday vid" has been proven not real? At least the sign video. There's basically no proof of it, and those tweets could be talking about any video that was unprivated. There was more than one of Phil's videos unprivated that day, but nothing points to a video besides the vday vid being romantic or even for Dan in general.
(Also question: were those screenshots of the tweets taken by someone here or just found on the internet?)

I took the screenshots.
And yeah, there is no proof that there was another romantic video, necessarily.

isn't there a bunch of anecdotal evidence, though? i read old anons on phantaray describing it in more detail, but with the same elements.

[blueapple_x]

[TW=][/TW]

[offtopic]So I just showed V-video to my friend (so sue me) and finally, FINALLY someone agrees with me at it looks very obviously scripted. I used to be so conflicted before because literally even the hardcoredest demon antiphannies I know would claim the video is an example of great performance from Phil and go on to dismantle it from there and at least one other person agrees it looks like a very technical acting job

I_am_not_alone_no_more.jpg[/offtopic]

Not to completely dismiss this, because I can totally see why you'd think this and sometimes I think about the "scripted" thing too. But one thing that recently kind of changed my perception on it was when people found proof of people commenting on other "leaked" videos on Phil's channel or a similar sort of content. While no other proof of them exist other than the tweets, this kind of changed my mind about what I originally felt sceptic about "the holes" in the possibility of it being real. Then again, then videos could have been "embellishment" or others may completely dismiss it. But I find it a neat thing to sort of think about, to expand what we already know about voldy into a possible broader connection of videos-whether real or fake, based upon interpretation. While it's good to get a reaction to the video outside of the phandom-bias, context is important. Nevertheless, talking about voldy is like beating a dead horse so I'll stop.

Can you please explain what you mean by this? I'm not exactly sure what you're referencing here :wtf:

http://indepthbants.com/topic575.html
It's here on IDB, if you go down to the question on a "second v-day video"

I thought the "second vday vid" has been proven not real? At least the sign video. There's basically no proof of it, and those tweets could be talking about any video that was unprivated. There was more than one of Phil's videos unprivated that day, but nothing points to a video besides the vday vid being romantic or even for Dan in general.
(Also question: were those screenshots of the tweets taken by someone here or just found on the internet?)

I took the screenshots.
And yeah, there is no proof that there was another romantic video, necessarily.

I've been meaning to ask...were those accounts you took screenshots of discussing dan, phil, and/or the vday vid at any point? I was a bit confused reading that portion of the FAQ because it mentioned the links they discussed are different from the voldy link. I was just wondering how the connection was made? I assume they were discussing d+p/the vday vid too that day but I just wanted to clarify lol.

[I'll post this in the FAQ discussion thread too]

[CallMeAyana]

Have you guys ever seen that other video, though? Also, it really does seem to only be a rumor because... why would it disappear out of existence so fast when the voldy is not? How come people have the time to save voldy when it seems to be more personal? I mean, if Phil ever found out that his videos were unprivated, I think that voldy would be the first one that he'll take down, not the other video...
Also... the voldy vid is very easy to find. Has someone reported it already? Should someone even report it?

[oqua]

isn't there a bunch of anecdotal evidence, though? i read old anons on phantaray describing it in more detail, but with the same elements.

Here's what I can find on phantaray:

[uglyamerican]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

Anyway, is it me dreaming, or did somebody mention / foist the possibility of Danandphilshop selling some sort of "pastel" line of merch? Where did I get this idea? If so, are D&P engaged in some sort of subterfuge marketing campaign?

"Subterfuge" is strong word only being used in jest

[CallMeAyana]

isn't there a bunch of anecdotal evidence, though? i read old anons on phantaray describing it in more detail, but with the same elements.

Here's what I can find on phantaray:

This... Now I'm really intrigued. I wonder if anyone has made any fanart of it, or just drawn what it looks like.

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

Anyway, is it me dreaming, or did somebody mention / foist the possibility of Danandphilshop selling some sort of "pastel" line of merch? Where did I get this idea? If so, are D&P engaged in some sort of subterfuge marketing campaign?

"Subterfuge" is strong word only being used in jest

Phil said it in a last liveshow where Martyn went to the flat to discuss some pastel merch

[pilotlight]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

[offtopic]Oh, I have a pronunciation question for you or anybody else from the relatively same region. I'm not American or a native English speaker but I'm from eastern Canada. I've never heard Erin and Aaron pronounced differently, I swear they're the same here, or if not I really can't hear the difference when people here say them. Is that the case on the east coast of the US, or do you guys have some sort of distinction between the two names too?
(This relates to Dan saying Erin or Aaron during the ls, in case you missed that part and have no idea what I'm babbling at you about.)[/offtopic]

[anathema]

isn't there a bunch of anecdotal evidence, though? i read old anons on phantaray describing it in more detail, but with the same elements.

Here's what I can find on phantaray:

Huh interesting. I hadn't seen most of those before. Thanks for sharing

On a completely unrelated note:
When I was watching the most recent sims video, Dan referenced the PC as "our computer," which I found interesting because I only remember them referencing it as Dan's computer in the past. But then Phil says "your computer" and Dan switches to saying "my computer." But, I just went back to find the timestamp, and Dan actually initially says "my" and then cuts himself off and says "our":

Dan: I mean my- our computer probably smells
Phil: I think I've dropped a lot of crumbs down the side of your computer, so that's why. Got a family of rats living in there
Dan: A family of rats, in my computer
at 5:43

I can't think of why A) Dan would say "our" computer or B) why dan would start to call it his computer and then cut himself off

[parallel]

isn't there a bunch of anecdotal evidence, though? i read old anons on phantaray describing it in more detail, but with the same elements.

Here's what I can find on phantaray:

Now my curiosity is sparked. They said that there were screenshots? I'd be fascinated if anyone could track down any screenshots.

[uglyamerican]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

[offtopic]Oh, I have a pronunciation question for you or anybody else from the relatively same region. I'm not American or a native English speaker but I'm from eastern Canada. I've never heard Erin and Aaron pronounced differently, I swear they're the same here, or if not I really can't hear the difference when people here say them. Is that the case on the east coast of the US, or do you guys have some sort of distinction between the two names too?
(This relates to Dan saying Erin or Aaron during the ls, in case you missed that part and have no idea what I'm babbling at you about.)[/offtopic]

Aaron and Erin are pronounced basically the same most of the time, particularly if the speaker is lazy. However, in the unlikely event you have two friends, one named Erin and the other Aaron, and they happened to be in the same room at the same time, and you needed to address Aaron. In this case, you *might* stress the "Aa's" making them sound like "air," and clearly pronounce two syllables. If you needed to speak to Erin, you *might* put less emphasis on the first vowel, and pronounce the name almost as a single syllable. It's likely that they both would turn around in response, at least until they learn how you pronounce their names.

[flurry]

This might be weird but I actually enjoyed Dan's liveshow more than the others he's done?? I felt like he was really showing us his opinions that he's often held back in the past and for once there was less of that pretentious music taste talk which I can never stand.

I really liked his Ken doll rant! TBH I've always felt rather uncomfortable by excessive shipping talk - by excessive I mean people who actually insist they're together to the point of reading it in their every action and generally being so clouded by their views that they can't see any differently even when these are two real life actual human beings. I felt that he got really frustrated when people told him not to take the tattoos off? Like the frustration he had before over people trying to dress him up ie nail painting, earrings all just boiled to the surface and I was here for it! I also really appreciated his gender rants because for quite a lot of people especially his younger audience who might not have been through uni etc. It might have been enlightening. After all we all start somewhere.

But yes as others have mentioned, he seems so obsessed with the idea of being watched by edgy straight men - which well for someone who has watched his videos for the past six years, I don't really see content that edgy straight men would be interested in anyway. So I wonder where this is coming from? Surely YT analytics doesn't have a category for this edgy straight men group that he sees as a large chunk of his DINOF audience??? It does get tiring after awhile for him to be so intensely self conscious and then as a result denigrate the content he makes especially on Phil's channel. Isn't that rather insulting to Phil as well? And it's not like the piano teacher sketch is something that appeals to the edgy straight men anyway. Also, if I were really into existentialist and philosophy talk I sure would not be watching DINOF for that content??? Especially since Dan seems to just name drop these concepts as a "branding" thing without actually delving into them at all (apart from casually throwing the word "death" around and wearing black) - so yes I don't understand his concerns. At all.

Next, thank you for all the talk on the dismissal of his female audience. I think that people always always always look down on things that women like - aka even from the 18thc novels were considered "trashy" because women read them and sadly things have not changed a whit. I think Dan feels that his fangirls don't know what is quality at all because they would gobble up anything he offered because he looks hot and they ship him with Phil - and so he has to look to another group (imaginary men and serious filmmakers??) to ascertain if his content even has value. Which is horribly sad and a contradiction of the very gender norms he has been trying to subvert. I just feel like the world should know: teenage girls are important, their likes and dislikes also have value and they have opinions that are of worth. If a YTer looked really hot but had the personality of a goldfish I don't think he would have subscribers either.

[dannonfill]

Huh interesting. I hadn't seen most of those before. Thanks for sharing

On a completely unrelated note:
When I was watching the most recent sims video, Dan referenced the PC as "our computer," which I found interesting because I only remember them referencing it as Dan's computer in the past. But then Phil says "your computer" and Dan switches to saying "my computer." But, I just went back to find the timestamp, and Dan actually initially says "my" and then cuts himself off and says "our":

Dan: I mean my- our computer probably smells
Phil: I think I've dropped a lot of crumbs down the side of your computer, so that's why. Got a family of rats living in there
Dan: A family of rats, in my computer
at 5:43

I can't think of why A) Dan would say "our" computer or B) why dan would start to call it his computer and then cut himself off

Possible answer, right before your quotes start Phil refers to Dil's computer as "our computer", Dan could've subconsciously corrected himself to fit that, and then he switched again when Phil did. Either way, what a mess of pronouns that is, wow.

[pilotlight]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

[offtopic]Oh, I have a pronunciation question for you or anybody else from the relatively same region. I'm not American or a native English speaker but I'm from eastern Canada. I've never heard Erin and Aaron pronounced differently, I swear they're the same here, or if not I really can't hear the difference when people here say them. Is that the case on the east coast of the US, or do you guys have some sort of distinction between the two names too?
(This relates to Dan saying Erin or Aaron during the ls, in case you missed that part and have no idea what I'm babbling at you about.)[/offtopic]

Aaron and Erin are pronounced basically the same most of the time, particularly if the speaker is lazy. However, in the unlikely event you have two friends, one named Erin and the other Aaron, and they happened to be in the same room at the same time, and you needed to address Aaron. In this case, you *might* stress the "Aa's" making them sound like "air," and clearly pronounce two syllables. If you needed to speak to Erin, you *might* put less emphasis on the first vowel, and pronounce the name almost as a single syllable. It's likely that they both would turn around in response, at least until they learn how you pronounce their names.

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Thanks for the clarification. I was feeling kind of crazy that I'd never noticed this distinction between someone mentioned it here. Like, have I really been pronouncing it wrong all this time?? Apparently not necessarily, so that's kind of a relief.

[lefthandedism]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

[offtopic]Oh, I have a pronunciation question for you or anybody else from the relatively same region. I'm not American or a native English speaker but I'm from eastern Canada. I've never heard Erin and Aaron pronounced differently, I swear they're the same here, or if not I really can't hear the difference when people here say them. Is that the case on the east coast of the US, or do you guys have some sort of distinction between the two names too?
(This relates to Dan saying Erin or Aaron during the ls, in case you missed that part and have no idea what I'm babbling at you about.)[/offtopic]

Aaron and Erin are pronounced basically the same most of the time, particularly if the speaker is lazy. However, in the unlikely event you have two friends, one named Erin and the other Aaron, and they happened to be in the same room at the same time, and you needed to address Aaron. In this case, you *might* stress the "Aa's" making them sound like "air," and clearly pronounce two syllables. If you needed to speak to Erin, you *might* put less emphasis on the first vowel, and pronounce the name almost as a single syllable. It's likely that they both would turn around in response, at least until they learn how you pronounce their names.

Hm, originally an East Coast American here. I pronounce Aaron and Erin differently, both with two syllables. The difference is not in the second syllable but in the first.

Roughly speaking:

'Erin' is pronounced with the 'E' sounding like the 'e' in 'set'
'Aaron' is pronounced with the 'Aa' sounding like the 'a' in 'sat'

[uglyamerican]

OT to the thrust of the past few pages, speaking as an east coast American, we pronounce tattoo as "tat-too." I don't know what Dan was going on about saying that "Americans" pronounce tattoo differently than he does / Brits do. I've never heard anyone pronouncing tattoo as "tat-ooo." Maybe his flower crown was on too tight.

[offtopic]Oh, I have a pronunciation question for you or anybody else from the relatively same region. I'm not American or a native English speaker but I'm from eastern Canada. I've never heard Erin and Aaron pronounced differently, I swear they're the same here, or if not I really can't hear the difference when people here say them. Is that the case on the east coast of the US, or do you guys have some sort of distinction between the two names too?
(This relates to Dan saying Erin or Aaron during the ls, in case you missed that part and have no idea what I'm babbling at you about.)[/offtopic]

Aaron and Erin are pronounced basically the same most of the time, particularly if the speaker is lazy. However, in the unlikely event you have two friends, one named Erin and the other Aaron, and they happened to be in the same room at the same time, and you needed to address Aaron. In this case, you *might* stress the "Aa's" making them sound like "air," and clearly pronounce two syllables. If you needed to speak to Erin, you *might* put less emphasis on the first vowel, and pronounce the name almost as a single syllable. It's likely that they both would turn around in response, at least until they learn how you pronounce their names.

Hm, originally an East Coast American here. I pronounce Aaron and Erin differently, both with two syllables. The difference is not in the second syllable but in the first.

Roughly speaking:

'Erin' is pronounced with the 'E' sounding like the 'e' in 'set'
'Aaron' is pronounced with the 'Aa' sounding like the 'a' in 'sat'

Either you're posh or from New York I should add that a boy I grew up with name was Aaron, and he pronounced it as I described.

[pastelspectre]

[offtopic]i'm reading the valentines day pdf thing nd i feel sort of bad? o_o i was into phan hardcore and shipped it like, hardcore back in 2012 and i had no idea about this pdf. i still ship phan now but not as hardcore.[/offtopic]

[flarequake]

I've heard Aaron said "Arron" and "Airon", but Erin would be "Ehrin" with the second syllable like "in" so I heard Aaron when he said the name.

Great discussions, everyone. Wow. I didn't get the shitting on the video vibe from him at all, I felt the opposite and didn't think about it, it seemed to me he'd enjoyed making it and putting out a "men wear pastel and have fun" video and was just continuing to talk about it. He wasn't horrendously sarcastic like the day after the roast video where he couldn't take any compliments. But the random edgy straight guys seeming to have more value than his female audience opinions, yes, not great. It's a very sad thing for girls to be derided. They're all daddy's little princess, cute, pink and fluffy as kids, but then their opinions aren't worth shit and they're not worthy of paying equally or not objectifying etc. Damn, society, grow up.

I thought it was a good liveshow, as someone else said he shared a lot of opinions and I even listened to his music talk which thankfully wasn't too long. Lovely seeing him put the white wig and the flower crown on again, though once he took them off he said "nope, crown's on the floor, it's done". He doesn't want to be badgered into keeping on wearing it I guess.

[gnostic]

[offtopic]So I just showed V-video to my friend (so sue me) and finally, FINALLY someone agrees with me at it looks very obviously scripted. I used to be so conflicted before because literally even the hardcoredest demon antiphannies I know would claim the video is an example of great performance from Phil and go on to dismantle it from there and at least one other person agrees it looks like a very technical acting job

I_am_not_alone_no_more.jpg[/offtopic]

When i first saw it i thought it was scripted, and cringy and childish and couldn't believe people were taking it seriously.
But it fits with Phil's shitty(i mean that in an endearing way) editing and unemotional way of talking into the camera seen all throughout his old videos.

I think it's a mixture of reciting parts that he wrote down and ad-lib then editing it down.

p.s. in case you were wondering i think the emotions and events described are real even if the delivery is partly scripted

Phil's vintage shitty editing is

I don't expect him to be a blubbering mess in such a vudeo, that just isn't our Phillo, but I would expect more genuine delivery in romantic video to the alleged love of his life than in his scripted main channel vids. (Not to mention in half of those vids, particularly more vloggy ones, sound much more sincere)

Oh well. Guess we might never know

[JustMe]

Next, thank you for all the talk on the dismissal of his female audience. I think that people always always always look down on things that women like - aka even from the 18thc novels were considered "trashy" because women read them and sadly things have not changed a whit. I think Dan feels that his fangirls don't know what is quality at all because they would gobble up anything he offered because he looks hot and they ship him with Phil - and so he has to look to another group (imaginary men and serious filmmakers??) to ascertain if his content even has value. Which is horribly sad and a contradiction of the very gender norms he has been trying to subvert. I just feel like the world should know: teenage girls are important, their likes and dislikes also have value and they have opinions that are of worth. If a YTer looked really hot but had the personality of a goldfish I don't think he would have subscribers either.

Exaclty! I wish he could read this, because don't think he realises this and I bet he could change his views (slowly) if it were to be explained to him properly.

[Viofish]

hmmm interesting thoughts on a possibility of the scripted v-day video. what is a deal breaker for me however is that all the events are real and that reference to him and dan having sex. I just don't think that making that sort of joke for a large audience would have been something dan and Phil agreed on. sex with your best friend? doesn't seem their style, especially if they were exclusive about their personal feelings





but still, if you have read that entire analysis by the phan directory, and especially the eye positioning. maybe when phil looks up into the right corner, its not because he's recalling a real memory, but he's trying to remember the lines of a script ????!!!!!!!!!! (it did say top right is designated for recalling information aka script)

[Viofish]

Next, thank you for all the talk on the dismissal of his female audience. I think that people always always always look down on things that women like - aka even from the 18thc novels were considered "trashy" because women read them and sadly things have not changed a whit. I think Dan feels that his fangirls don't know what is quality at all because they would gobble up anything he offered because he looks hot and they ship him with Phil - and so he has to look to another group (imaginary men and serious filmmakers??) to ascertain if his content even has value. Which is horribly sad and a contradiction of the very gender norms he has been trying to subvert. I just feel like the world should know: teenage girls are important, their likes and dislikes also have value and they have opinions that are of worth. If a YTer looked really hot but had the personality of a goldfish I don't think he would have subscribers either.

Exaclty! I wish he could read this, because don't think he realises this and I bet he could change his views (slowly) if it were to be explained to him properly.

knowing his stance on these types of things makes me feel dumb for ever stanning him, Daniel disappoints me

[captainspacecoat]

knowing his stance on these types of things makes me feel dumb for ever stanning him, Daniel disappoints me

Feeling disappointed about this sort of thing is totally valid (I am a bit too), but if it's any reassurance I don't think it should make you feel dumb for ever stanning him. Humans are complex, yo. Dan isn't a bad person because of this.

Yes, I think he should give teenage girls more credit and recognise how incredibly intelligent and caring and creative and supportive of him they are. He should also recognise that his audience is quite diverse, and not only are the teenage girls themselves diverse in background and opinion, but there are also many viewers who are female but not teenaged, teenaged but not female, not-straight, not at all into him sexually or even for the shipping etc.

However, I understand why he may not view us in such a nuanced way all the time. Dan doesn't see the whole scope of his audience, or at the very least (as we've discussed before) certain things stick out to him above others. I think he's made it pretty clear he feels objectified sometimes, and that's not only because the nature of his job (being in the public eye) naturally leaves him open and vulnerable to the opinions of his audience, who project their desires onto him, but also because he just sees a lot of that online. Doesn't mean everyone thinks that way, but that's what he sees. (I'd also add I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with viewers expressing attraction toward him so long as it's done on their own personal tumblr/twitter, nor do I think there's anything wrong with shipping so long as it's not shoved in their faces in a way that would make them uncomfortable).

Dan isn't entirely dismissive of his female audience, and I do think he has demonstrated before that he values them. I don't think we should disregard his tendency to worry most about the opinions of straight men (god knows, it annoys me) but I think we should also extend him a bit of sympathy as, at least in my opinion, it seems to be coming from a place of insecurity regarding expectations/standards of masculinity. Again, not excusing it - I'm hopeful that with time he'll grow more appreciative of his female audience and stop being so condescending/dismissive of young girls. But I understand in a way why he tends to put so much weight behind his perceived male audience, and I think a lot of it has to do with unlearning gendered social expectations.

[JustMe]

Next, thank you for all the talk on the dismissal of his female audience. I think that people always always always look down on things that women like - aka even from the 18thc novels were considered "trashy" because women read them and sadly things have not changed a whit. I think Dan feels that his fangirls don't know what is quality at all because they would gobble up anything he offered because he looks hot and they ship him with Phil - and so he has to look to another group (imaginary men and serious filmmakers??) to ascertain if his content even has value. Which is horribly sad and a contradiction of the very gender norms he has been trying to subvert. I just feel like the world should know: teenage girls are important, their likes and dislikes also have value and they have opinions that are of worth. If a YTer looked really hot but had the personality of a goldfish I don't think he would have subscribers either.

Exaclty! I wish he could read this, because don't think he realises this and I bet he could change his views (slowly) if it were to be explained to him properly.

knowing his stance on these types of things makes me feel dumb for ever stanning him, Daniel disappoints me

I do think he's grown a lot over the years regarding these topics, which shows his willingness to educate himself and his ability to change his views. It can be very hard to overcome the ingrained and learned stigma that is (not very visibly) based on misogyny in our society. I think he's trying to in lots of ways, but still has a way to go. But as I said, I believe he would act differently if he were to realise what he's doing; I don't think he's intentionally misogonistic (as he's also stated to be a feminist multiple times).

[gnostic]

hmmm interesting thoughts on a possibility of the scripted v-day video. what is a deal breaker for me however is that all the events are real and that reference to him and dan having sex. I just don't think that making that sort of joke for a large audience would have been something dan and Phil agreed on. sex with your best friend? doesn't seem their style, especially if they were exclusive about their personal feelings





but still, if you have read that entire analysis by the phan directory, and especially the eye positioning. maybe when phil looks up into the right corner, its not because he's recalling a real memory, but he's trying to remember the lines of a script ????!!!!!!!!!! (it did say top right is designated for recalling information aka script)

I've posted about this before, but for many the fact that every single memory Phil talks about is something they have either outright mentioned or alluded too (breakfasts, snowiest day ever, etc.)spiced up with some romantic detail is the opposite of proof. Like, over 1.5 year relationship they haven't accumulated any in joke or romantic memory they haven't tweeted about? Even the euphemism for sex was the one very familiar for fans (cherry)

Also pretty sure that eye language theory was debunked several times by reputable studies eithe way

[ellocl]

I've posted about this before, but for many the fact that every single memory Phil talks about is something they have either outright mentioned or alluded too (breakfasts, snowiest day ever, etc.)spiced up with some romantic detail is the opposite of proof. Like, over 1.5 year relationship they haven't accumulated any in joke or romantic memory they haven't tweeted about? Even the euphemism for sex was the one very familiar for fans (cherry)

Also pretty sure that eye language theory was debunked several times by reputable studies eithe way

I get where you're coming from with this and have wondered about it myself, but personally I feel like:

- if they were planning to make a prank video they would just make up some generic romantic things, not talk about real things they've done together that doubtless did mean a lot to them - surely that makes the video too awkward and sincere?

- they practically tweeted everything back then lol so it doesn't really surprise me that their most precious memories were things they also happened to have tweeted about doing

- the stuff about him 'clawing and biting' at dan and when he says '[...] i woke you up and said "mario"' - those aren't romantic to anyone but the people involved, i just don't see the point of their inclusion in a vday prank vid

- probably wouldn't include sex in the way that they did (it just comes across as so awkwardly sincere to me but i realise this is subjective)

Even as a very cynical person I truly cannot believe that the video is a prank, it just denies logic haha