Dan & Phil Part 39: There's no integrity here

[alittledizzy]

Hi everyone lurker since the gg days here, quick break from lurkdom (sorry its this is already off topic) also sorry for my english

I just wanted to say i completely agree with dizzy and it just hit me how much im going to miss the london flat not only the place but what it represents as dizzy said their personal growth is amazing to see, the guys move to london just with the premise of a show with the BBC they were so young and look at them now! just like the manchester flat is the place we remember as a more domestic/simpler times the grow of their relationship, the london flat will be remembered as the place the boys reach a peak in their career imo obviously i still want the guys to keep growing and continue to be sucessfull, but the memories and achievements attach to this place will makes us AND them all super soppy when they finally announce the moving out. my dudes i can't anticipate the amount of nostalgia watching the xmas ditl and the book/tour announcements and when we all moan there no longer was a sexy kitchen bar and and *sighs* all those sweet mems.
anyways sorry for being soppy

Welcome!! I hope you don't disappear back into lurkdom forever.

I definitely do think there will be a lot of emotional reactions from fans when they move. I wasn't around for them moving from Manchester to London so it's kind of hard for me to actually grasp how strongly I (or anyone) will react, but yeah - that flat has seen a lot of highlights of their lives/careers.

Were they emotional about moving from Manchester? Or did they mostly keep a lid on that back then and frame it more factually (saying when they moved, etc) than sentimental?

[000dia000]

I think that if deppy were to move, I'm not sure the phandom's sentimentality towards the phlat (yeah I just added ph to a f word...phuck it) would keep them from delaying the process. I think they would like to avoid drama or abruptness in moving, but I think they would put their own feelings and motivations ahead of their audience, if that wasn't clear enough already

Second, they may not wish to move at all. Who knows if they hadn't secretly bought the place? Like said, maybe they bought the flat below them and the phlat they're currently in is just a set

Finally, here's an anti-phan idea, because why not? I'm feeling creative today. I don't want to cause anarchy, but maybe one possible reluctance to them moving out, is that if doing so, they would want to move out separately. While I'm pretty certain they have no romantic interests or reason to move out currently, maybe they both feel that in the future if they were to no longer be "flat mates" this should be their last phlat together. Maybe they're not ready to move on because they both know that it's impractical to move to another location when they plan to move out not long in the future? In summary, they plan to separate their personal lives in the near future, so they do not want to make plans until it is practical to do so. (I'm actually quite phan at the moment, I don't know what came over me there)

[SexyTrashCan]

Thanks for the science-y lesson Phil

Also I dunno, I always thought Deppy wouldn't move apart unless they both had different romantic interests. Especially considering what a whiny needy bitch Dan appears to be when Phil is away and he's left alone.

[000dia000]

Second post in short succession due to me missing the chance to edit my post. Soz.

Here's something on the pastel-edits video I didn't really see discussed. It's not that interesting or ground breaking but sue me, I'm bored. I'm pretty much bringing back something already spoken to death about, but when I was re-watching this moment just occurred to me and I'm not sure it was discussed. As Dan looks like he's reacting to what Phil is saying, I know people will just be like "he's joking lol" and dismiss it, but hey, here's a little discussion:

@4.24
Phil: "Why are pink sheets softer than my sheets?"
Dan, in a soft (not danisnotonfire ™) voice: "Phil, I mean, how often do you wash your bedsheets?"
(Then Dan makes a weird face, licks his lips and winks at the camera, as Phil explains how he DOES wash his bedsheets often, Dan makes a few more strange faces, either as a "yeah, sure" reaction or a "I made a mistake, let's keep the ball rolling and ignore it" kind of reaction)

The thing I find fascinating about this is that this whole interaction didn't add much to the video, it could have been edited it out and we would not have missed much besides wonder if Phil washes his bed sheets often or if he's actually a smelly bastard (an unsolved mystery still, ever since people pointed out that he slept in the shirt he wore that day in the Australia DITL)

By the tone of Dan's voice, he made a statement as if he knew that the bedsheets aren't washed often. I hate go demon phannie here but it sounds like Phil doesn't sleep in his bed that often lolzor, especially because he winked at the camera in acknowledgement of what it sounded like.Or people could just dismiss it as it:
1. Dan realizing the implication of his statement, and winked at the camera in a "I know you know how that sounds"
2. No, we're not discussing it. It doesn't mean anything.

[lefthandedism]

Phil: "Why are pink sheets softer than my sheets?"
Dan, in a soft (not danisnotonfire ™) voice: "Phil, I mean, how often do you wash your bedsheets?"
(Then Dan makes a weird face, licks his lips and winks at the camera, as Phil explains how he DOES wash his bedsheets often, Dan makes a few more strange faces, either as a "yeah, sure" reaction or a "I made a mistake, let's keep the ball rolling and ignore it" kind of reaction)

The thing I find fascinating about this is that this whole interaction didn't add much to the video, it could have been edited it out and we would not have missed much besides wonder if Phil washes his bed sheets often or if he's actually a smelly bastard (an unsolved mystery still, ever since people pointed out that he slept in the shirt he wore that day in the Australia DITL)

Ok, I'm bored too .

If we think the whole beginning of the Australia DITL is a lie, why should we give much credence to what shirt Phil wore when he "woke up"? Seems to me that if anything it just shows that that was not actually when he woke up, but rather an sign of its fakeness.

A (very!) plausible alternate explanation: he woke up wherever, wearing whatever, with whomever, got up, showered, and dressed, and then climbed into a bed to start the DITL.

No?

[CallMeAyana]

Second post in short succession due to me missing the chance to edit my post. Soz.

Here's something on the pastel-edits video I didn't really see discussed. It's not that interesting or ground breaking but sue me, I'm bored. I'm pretty much bringing back something already spoken to death about, but when I was re-watching this moment just occurred to me and I'm not sure it was discussed. As Dan looks like he's reacting to what Phil is saying, I know people will just be like "he's joking lol" and dismiss it, but hey, here's a little discussion:

@4.24
Phil: "Why are pink sheets softer than my sheets?"
Dan, in a soft (not danisnotonfire ™) voice: "Phil, I mean, how often do you wash your bedsheets?"
(Then Dan makes a weird face, licks his lips and winks at the camera, as Phil explains how he DOES wash his bedsheets often, Dan makes a few more strange faces, either as a "yeah, sure" reaction or a "I made a mistake, let's keep the ball rolling and ignore it" kind of reaction)

The thing I find fascinating about this is that this whole interaction didn't add much to the video, it could have been edited it out and we would not have missed much besides wonder if Phil washes his bed sheets often or if he's actually a smelly bastard (an unsolved mystery still, ever since people pointed out that he slept in the shirt he wore that day in the Australia DITL)

By the tone of Dan's voice, he made a statement as if he knew that the bedsheets aren't washed often. I hate go demon phannie here but it sounds like Phil doesn't sleep in his bed that often lolzor, especially because he winked at the camera in acknowledgement of what it sounded like.Or people could just dismiss it as it:
1. Dan realizing the implication of his statement, and winked at the camera in a "I know you know how that sounds"
2. No, we're not discussing it. It doesn't mean anything.

Just logged in to say that I support that theory. It's also important to note that in a liveshow last year (was it last year?) someone asked in the younow chat about the most used room in the house, and Dan immediately says, "Technically, my bedroom-" only to realize that he fucked up, and added this, "-because I sleep in it."

[thephandommenace]

I'm going to talk from an anti-phan, more queerplatonic perspective for the sake of this argument.

Even if they were just friends they could continue living together, as many adults often do, but they'd recognise it'd be a huge commitment to each other that would be made in public and could be misconstrued as them confirming they are a couple. I agree there'd be no point in moving out now if they plan to separate in the future. and if they are in fact queerplatonic or just really close friends, their closeness to each other probably alienates other potential partners (see: all the 'jealous Dan' moments), and maybe they're so close they don't really care about finding other people when they have each other.

Either way, I'm excited to stick around. I feel like something significant's going to happen this year, as it definitely feels like they're building up to something, and sooner or later they're going to have to make a move that will shake the phandom - moving on together or moving out separately would be one of these things. I believe one of these will happen, because people move on.

I can't speak too much for either of them as I'm only in my early twenties and I've barely begun adulthood, but if the both of them want families and romantic attachment, I imagine that especially Phil, having just turned 30 (and pointedly not acknowledging his age) might be a little less secure in his mortality and be starting to think time is running out.

Alternatively, they move in together, and either come out or don't, and delay the inevitable for a few more years.

[realeyesrealize]

[SquishPhan]

They sure do like to eat out at nice restaurants.

[000dia000]

Just logged in to say that I support that theory. It's also important to note that in a liveshow last year (was it last year?) someone asked in the younow chat about the most used room in the house, and Dan immediately says, "Technically, my bedroom-" only to realize that he fucked up, and added this, "-because I sleep in it."

exactly, the "I just fucked up moments" are always the most interesting, regardless of what they mean. On one hand, they could just be covering up the fact that phandom may misinterpret them or that it is a genuine slip up that makes me stammer and move on quickly.

Ok, I'm bored too .

If we think the whole beginning of the Australia DITL is a lie, why should we give much credence to what shirt Phil wore when he "woke up"? Seems to me that if anything it just shows that that was not actually when he woke up, but rather an sign of its fakeness.

A (very!) plausible alternate explanation: he woke up wherever, wearing whatever, with whomever, got up, showered, and dressed, and then climbed into a bed to start the DITL.

No?

My statement about the DITL was kind of bringing up the two alternatives from that situation: either Phil had worn the shirt he had worn to bed out for the whole day (and I made the joke) or that, more likely, the whole thing was a badly executed setup

basically, Phil getting changed and then pretending to wake up, while wearing that t-shirt he was wearing for that day, exactly AND someone found out that when he's vlogging himself eating breakfast there's a painting or frame behind him that wasn't in his room, but Dan's, so they actually ate breakfast together AND the contact lens fluid in view. Personally, if there was only one of these things, we're tin-hatting, if there were two, there's a likelihood, but because there are three, it just kind of proves how fake the set up was. This was discussed to death, but the setup and dis-ingenuity of that video was very off-putting, to say the least. Less anti-phan, more anti-phandom, so sort of stomach-twisting.

I'm not proposing for this to be twisted into a phan: real or not real conversation, but rather a phandom: hated or not hated conversation actually hated is a strong word, so nobody take that out of context. I mean to say that they're still quite reluctant around their audience, but then again, the DITL WAS last year and they've changed so much and become quite open. But then again, that's our own interpretation and who knows their true motivations. Ultimately, the point I was just trying to make, especially in relation to them possibly moving, is that I don't think they will ever consider the "feelings" of the phandom, and whatever their movements will be, it will be abrupt.

[SexyTrashCan]

So I'd wager a couple 100 responses will be about the hat fic?

[alittledizzy]

I'm not proposing for this to be twisted into a phan: real or not real conversation, but rather a phandom: hated or not hated conversation actually hated is a strong word, so nobody take that out of context. I mean to say that they're still quite reluctant around their audience, but then again, the DITL WAS last year and they've changed so much and become quite open. But then again, that's our own interpretation and who knows their true motivations. Ultimately, the point I was just trying to make, especially in relation to them possibly moving, is that I don't think they will ever consider the "feelings" of the phandom, and whatever their movements will be, it will be abrupt.

I was forming a reply in my head as I read this conversation and the gist of it is basically what you've said here - that was a year ago but man they've undegone some startling changes in just the past year alone. I don't want to be naively optimistic so I won't say I fully expect no more situations like the bed thing to happen again, but I am extremely curious as to how they'll handle it going forward.

Phil all but said he's not going to do any casual at home vlogs so chances are if we get a DITL this year it'll be when they're traveling (mystery trip they're piggybacking on the Australia one, maybe?) and there will be a hotel room situation involved. They made no attempt at hiding them being in the same room in the Hong Kong video, but did put some space between two beds that did not seem to come originally with space between them (you can see in that video that phil's mattress extends past the headboard on one side with the space between the beds) so I anticipate that will continue. They're not coming out, they're not going to be 100% open about sleeping in the same bed, but I think they'll go for making the not-one-bed thing obvious and not give a fuck about the rest.

[lost686girl]

I'm going to talk from an anti-phan, more queerplatonic perspective for the sake of this argument.

Even if they were just friends they could continue living together, as many adults often do, but they'd recognise it'd be a huge commitment to each other that would be made in public and could be misconstrued as them confirming they are a couple. I agree there'd be no point in moving out now if they plan to separate in the future. and if they are in fact queerplatonic or just really close friends, their closeness to each other probably alienates other potential partners (see: all the 'jealous Dan' moments), and maybe they're so close they don't really care about finding other people when they have each other.

Either way, I'm excited to stick around. I feel like something significant's going to happen this year, as it definitely feels like they're building up to something, and sooner or later they're going to have to make a move that will shake the phandom - moving on together or moving out separately would be one of these things. I believe one of these will happen, because people move on.

I can't speak too much for either of them as I'm only in my early twenties and I've barely begun adulthood, but if the both of them want families and romantic attachment, I imagine that especially Phil, having just turned 30 (and pointedly not acknowledging his age) might be a little less secure in his mortality and be starting to think time is running out.

Alternatively, they move in together, and either come out or don't, and delay the inevitable for a few more years.

yes i feel you on all of these points

i'm sure they both want families, i am 25 and i'm starting to realized that i want children and a husband soon. phil is 30 and thats around the time you start to make big changes. them living together as grown men would put off potential suiters (in my opinion). i don't think it's unlikely that they might move into their own places. i also think they could move into a new house together. i'm excited to see what they chose.

[SexyTrashCan]

[SquishPhan]

I enjoyed this one more than the first vid, but am still a bit disturbed by the game.

Dan is not wearing his earrings.

Phil’s excited noise was very cute.

Phil is also only thinking about that horse’s handsome face.

[thephandommenace]

Haha I made an anti-phan theory and then they had to go and make me phan af again with this new vid. I'm loving it, and I love that Phil loves it.

- no pastel earrings, just the shape of his ears
- I love that they're so comfortable just straight up sharing phanart of them together now
- I may or may not have replayed Phil's little 'eehee!' at 3:15 several times
- Phil as the sexy horse and Dan as the blushing awkward girl is just too much

GUYS WHY YOU DO DIS TO ME

[Catallena]

I closed the tab when Dan said 'clop clop' and it took me 10 minutes to want to try again.

Honestly after the initial 'shock' over it being a dating sim starring a horse wears off, it's just a really boring game and I lowkey already hate it. By the end of this series I might want to mix some bleach with my tea after watching.

I liked Dan in that pastel sweater. Y'all got my hopes up for earrings though, I'm gonna sue.

[Ilovethemohyesido]

I love Phil's «it's time for a little chat» voice and expression.

[gnostic]

I really appreciate the humour in this game but not gonna lie, I appreciate Phil's dreamy prince voice even more

[hopinglester]

I enjoyed this video more than I enjoyed the last one but I still found it quite boring and I'm low-key hoping that it doesn't get many views and they decide not to make a sequel. There are so many other simple games who are so much more well-thought and put together compared to this one, I think it's a shame they waste videos on this. But that's just my opinion, I know loads of other people really loved the last horse video.

I was so disappointed when I realised Dan didn't have his earring, he had his head tilted slightly to the side in the beginning which made me hope for like 5 seconds that he only had one on his right ear but no such luck.

I'm very excited for the potential semi-joined liveshow tomorrow, I really hope they speak together about the Oscar's and their reactions, I've been finding the reaction videos online hilarious.

[malday]

I'm going to talk from an anti-phan, more queerplatonic perspective for the sake of this argument.

Even if they were just friends they could continue living together, as many adults often do, but they'd recognise it'd be a huge commitment to each other that would be made in public and could be misconstrued as them confirming they are a couple. I agree there'd be no point in moving out now if they plan to separate in the future. and if they are in fact queerplatonic or just really close friends, their closeness to each other probably alienates other potential partners (see: all the 'jealous Dan' moments), and maybe they're so close they don't really care about finding other people when they have each other.

Either way, I'm excited to stick around. I feel like something significant's going to happen this year, as it definitely feels like they're building up to something, and sooner or later they're going to have to make a move that will shake the phandom - moving on together or moving out separately would be one of these things. I believe one of these will happen, because people move on.

I can't speak too much for either of them as I'm only in my early twenties and I've barely begun adulthood, but if the both of them want families and romantic attachment, I imagine that especially Phil, having just turned 30 (and pointedly not acknowledging his age) might be a little less secure in his mortality and be starting to think time is running out.

Alternatively, they move in together, and either come out or don't, and delay the inevitable for a few more years.

yes i feel you on all of these points

i'm sure they both want families, i am 25 and i'm starting to realized that i want children and a husband soon. phil is 30 and thats around the time you start to make big changes. them living together as grown men would put off potential suiters (in my opinion). i don't think it's unlikely that they might move into their own places. i also think they could move into a new house together. i'm excited to see what they chose.

These types of stereotypical expectations are probably why he doesn't acknowledge his age, and i can't blame him.

[iero]

dan's hair looks soso good atm. i wish he was wearing the pastel earrings. we were all fooled.
this game is rly boring to watch not gonna lie lol, i didn't even take notice of it tbh i was just watching d&p in the corner i'd rly like to watch them play good games instead of stupid or flash ones over and over

[alittledizzy]

I feel like this game is Phil's diabolical plan to situation himself so that no one thinks twice when he says how attractive a man is. Because damn, forget SusanKun, Phil is thirsty for that horse prince - and Dan and Phil both want everyone to know it.

[000dia000]

I'm kind of surprised that a "horse dating app" is so controversial or strange, it's something I don't find weird at all (not that I'm a furry *shift-eyes* just that there's surely weirder things out there??). I was hooked by the first video, laughing hysterically at the process, their reactions and additional commentary. However, I didn't find this video as enjoyable.

What I felt really insulted by was their acknowedlgement of this series dividing opinion and audience enjoyment, they're aware of it not being as popular as other videos/series. Yet, even with this confirmation and knowledge they STILL went ahead and continued the series. Yes, that's right, SERIES. They're putting out relatively short videos for a series with only a certain amount of fan engagement and enthusiasm (!!) wtf? Surely, they would just make a long video of several chapters? Wouldn't that make sense? How many fucking chapters must this game have? Do they think they could hold people's attention enough for this? Wtf guys? They're really pushing their audience if they think they can hold up a casual audience with a series like this.

And this series will take away from other potential good games so many other people would like to see. I mean, I wasn't particularly interested in the golf game itself-but the competitiveness led to entertaining viewing. This series allows them to take a step back and led the game do the entertainment while they provide voices and a running commentary. They had a similar dynamic with Undertale but those came out in large installments while they're probably going to push these videos into shorts. This would be fine and dandy and easy to digest if it wasn't for their already limited repetoire of games they've been playing. What other series have they been doing, Sims and....possibly another level in the Golf Game?

I'm usually fine with them doing flash games or free apps or whatever, as long as they're interesting, I don't mind, but this video felt a little half-assed. And do you know what the worst part is - I still enjoyed it! I grinned like an idiot throughout it! I'm such a phan that it doesn't hit me until afterwards how much they shit on us, gahhhhhhhhh



On a lighter note, I found it funny how instead of tapping the screen, Phil would smack it hard enough to make a loud noise lmao and I say them showing off horse phanart will send phan artists into a flurry to make stuff for the next video (that I will look forward to). I don't find this video the end of the world, but Jesus Christ deppy.

EDIT: I just realize how ridiculously long this post is about a horse video, I must be in a mood today if this is what it has reduced me to

[lurker]

could someone tell me what dan says at 1:40 please? i've been replaying it 10 times and the only thing i understand is "horse"