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akui wrote:[offtopic]Why am i so terrified of the host of the weakest link. She is so mean, is she still on TV?
Also probably because in doctor who you voted out you get killed.[/offtopic]
It's all an act. A successful one too - she made a metric shit-ton of money from that show.
From an Interview (http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/ ... interview)
There's a revealing moment when she appeals to Barbara, her housekeeper of 10 years, with a playful "I'm not horrible, am I?" (All I suggested was that she might be a little controlling). "She's just looking for compliments," Barbara says fondly.

There is a level, of course, on which Robinson is playing up to expectations: the woman who, as a journalist on Fleet Street in the 70s and 80s, was known as Mrs Awkward; who graduated, nearly 12 years ago, to terrorising contestants on Weakest Link, earning herself the sobriquets "rudest woman on television" and "the queen of mean", as well as millions of viewers, a hit show in the US, and many millions of pounds. Who says now, proudly, "I think we've got much more daring. When you look at the very early ones it's incredibly tame. I mean, I never said things like 'Why are you so fat?'"

And "you mustn't think twice. I wouldn't have a job if I thought twice. Woody Allen always says that if it's real wit you hear it at the same time as you say it." It's a comment that betrays a certain hubris – "Why are you so fat?" has shock value, but it isn't wit. On the other hand, she is very quick, and enjoys proper verbal sparring. "What you're always looking for is someone to play with – a witty contestant who is up to you. It's fabulous [when it happens]." And she says she does keep a close eye on how her jibes are taken. "I occasionally come off and say 'Cut that out' – not often, but I did it the other week, actually. I said to a student, 'That dress must have looked nice when it fitted you', and afterwards I said, 'Don't put that in, that hurt her'. So I hope we have a bit of judgment about it."

Her persona on Weakest Link does not appear to be an act, but an exaggerated aspect of herself. In interviews she uses it as a kind of gate-keeping device. Don't want to answer a question? Pour scorn; pounce on any vagueness – then answer rather vaguely yourself. It's not that she isn't OK with information about herself being available – she did, after all, write a very personal, self-critical account of her childhood, disastrous first marriage and alcoholism in Memoirs of an Unfit Mother (2001); she has cheerfully talked about her facelift, her shopping habits, her divorces – it's just that she wants to control exactly how and why that information arrives.
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IckleMissMayhem wrote:
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is it just me who finds this tweet massively coupley? (i'm sorry it's just my Inner Phan™ ;) ) but cocktails and tentacles by a river? (did i read the tweet right) that's pretty cute.
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galaxies wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
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is it just me who finds this tweet massively coupley? (i'm sorry it's just my Inner Phan™ ;) ) but cocktails and tentacles by a river? (did i read the tweet right) that's pretty cute.
S'cute. Well cute, but my inner stagey-person is screeching. You go out and get smashed after first day of rehearsals, to get to know each other shut up i know it's not relevant to them. I know, alright?! then celebrate on opening night.
But still. Last London-based date night for a while. Bless.
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galaxies wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
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is it just me who finds this tweet massively coupley? (i'm sorry it's just my Inner Phan™ ;) ) but cocktails and tentacles by a river? (did i read the tweet right) that's pretty cute.
Not just coupley, very romantic i would say. Sounds like a date.
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danphil333 wrote: dans doodle: animals, aliens. smudges, smudges, lolzor, everyone ride the lol boat
wtf is he a 13 year old teenage boy stuck in 2004

This is exactly what I thought, like wth what year is this. I thought they were old doodles before I realized tabinof came out last year.
Also the sauron looks like a hooha, and I also read "it's satan" first, and got super confused... like, psychoanalyze that. :D
But still, it's interesting to see how other people interpret those! The only thing I got from them was Phil's lack of text and how Dan's is full of explanations, you can tell who drew which one just from that.

Somehow I'm starting to get more intrigued by Phil due to those doodles. :? I need to watch that WL ep soon, I want to see him being sassy.
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akui wrote:
galaxies wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
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is it just me who finds this tweet massively coupley? (i'm sorry it's just my Inner Phan™ ;) ) but cocktails and tentacles by a river? (did i read the tweet right) that's pretty cute.
Not just coupley, very romantic i would say. Sounds like a date.
honestly I think they are with their rehearsal crew?! at least that's what i thought when reading the tweet. i didn't think about a date a all.
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akui wrote:I was browsing the tabinof earlier, then I saw there doodles, i wonder have we psychoanalyzed the shit out if them yet?

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Phil's page is bold and expressive, but it's interesting how, like Akui said, the borders and lines he draws all interconnect with one another all the way around the page. Everything is its own seperate little world, but they all inform each other, like the trees growing on the underside of the snake thing with the little ghost and clouds inside of it, mirrored by the checkered monster/cow approaching the city which has trees growing on its back. Moose cat person's right antler morphs off the head and becomes its own abstract shape, with one of the lines breaking off from the original and curling around again to form part of the tiny staircase and circle around the little planet he drew. Then there's a free floating box on the right so he..thinks.. outside of the box? (yeah there we go)

-but then again, Dan drew a box on his page too which is confined inside abother box which is then again confined inside a jagged border all around-so it's harder for him to break through the box of whatever self-imposed or career inflicted restrictions he's drawn around himself in order to express his true opinions or ideas? (rage against the machinebox?)

Dan's page is more densely packed with tiny details to the point that it reminded me a bit of Bruegel's work in just how much there is to look at and read into. There's so much going on that you need more than a second glance to take it all in, which speaks to his self described penchant of having an analytical approach to ideas, other people and himself, often agonizing over such details- the sea of 'no, no, no, no' above the stick figure's head, the self aware 'what am i doing? idek'- but it's okay, because there's a pancake machine, a disco ball and a lol boat for him to momentarily forget his troubles, chill out and not take everything so seriously. (balancing complex ideas and emotions with humor.)

Phil's page is more abstract, with mixed elements of strange details going on to create one large interconnected piece- speaking to his ability of freely drawing on ideas that might seem absurd or weird at the time but knowing they'll come together eventually to become something interesting. Also, the way the borders connect and confine everything could be evidence for self editing himself or reigning in his creativity in a way that still allows him to express himself freely but with more cohesion? Emphasis on large pieces that draw the eye immediately evidence for focusing on the bigger picture rather than being caught up in the technicalities of details? (Like the way Dan insists on wrapping presents properly and Phil believes any attempt no matter how haphazard the result is still worthy and endearing- the present is what counts not how it's wrapped.)
whereas Dan's approach is more rooted in familiar concepts or humor and putting his own twist on them- everything detailed and crowded with ideas vying for space on the page. (focusing more on the seperate elements of an issue or idea and trying to find a means to express them or organize them efficiently?)

with the stairs, they're obviously tired of the ones in the flat and are subconciously expressing a desire to be rid of them and buy a ranch style house or install an elevator.
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daphenaxa wrote:
akui wrote:
galaxies wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
Also:
is it just me who finds this tweet massively coupley? (i'm sorry it's just my Inner Phan™ ;) ) but cocktails and tentacles by a river? (did i read the tweet right) that's pretty cute.
Not just coupley, very romantic i would say. Sounds like a date.
honestly I think they are with their rehearsal crew?! at least that's what i thought when reading the tweet. i didn't think about a date a all.
Yeah. Not to be a Jonquil or anything, but my initial thought was that they're celebrating with a few crew members/ director/ other motherfuckers who would be involved in the rehearsal process. Putting together an entire theatre production is a team effort that they should all take pride in, after all.
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I agree with Icklemissmayhem that Anne Robinson's demeanor on TWL is all an act. I used to watch "Watchdog" with my mum back in the early '90s. I don't really remember much about the show except that Anne Robinson read the viewer mail at the end of each episode. She wasn't horrible at all on that. I remember her having a lovely calm reading voice and being quite smiley. I was really shocked when she started hosting TWL and turned into an ogre. :wtf:
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Gnosia wrote: -but then again, Dan drew a box on his page too which is confined inside abother box which is then again confined inside a jagged border all around-so it's harder for him to break through the box of whatever self-imposed or career inflicted restrictions he's drawn around himself in order to express his true opinions or ideas? (rage against the machinebox?)
it is a tesseract. That is the only thing that caught my attention right away - not sure if meant by the "science" way as I saw it or the avengers.
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I just watched twl and damn is she savage about Phil's haircut, but tbh it was a bit shit. Also he got the llama question wrong, which I don't know about u but I found it kinda funny, like a sign of what is to come or smth
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TWL isn't on the DD yet, is it? Because the first screenshots of it made it to tumblr already.
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I'm going to force myself out of lurkdom for this special occasion. About bloody time I suppose. Honestly, WELL DONE bluebox-away for finding this! I was basically convinced it didn't even exist on the internet.

haven't watched it yet though, but I'll patiently wait until it's on the DD lol
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Re: doddles

Dan's : I think it's a bit more... neat? organized? in its own messiness, than Phil's. i don't know how to explain it. Like, he assigned small areas for a theme/idea, and then he start another one next that doesn't have anything to do with it. Like, it almost has a clear distinct line between one idea and another? i don't know.

Phil's : Opposite of dan's, it's more like a set of different ideas that kind of merges into one giant idea. Like people have already said, it doesn't have a beginning or the end, doesn't really have boundaries, kind of really random but kind of not? Phil is unapologetic about it, he just draw what he wants to draw even if it's something people never even thought of.

Seeing this, i feel like Phil is the kind of person that doesn't believe that a thing/person should only be one thing and can't be that other thing too, you know? He loves to merge things, especially things that other people thought could never go together. Remember when he dress as zombie giraffe for halloween? And when he wanted Dil to be a pirate zombie school boy (i don't remember exactly)?

I wonder if that kind of explain why he doesn't like labels? i'm just rambling i don't know
TSA wrote:TWL isn't on the DD yet, is it? Because the first screenshots of it made it to tumblr already.
That's fast. I haven't even watched it, maybe i'll just wait till it got to DD :lol: maybe it's just the screenshot that was shared here earlier?

Also good job bluebox-away and spider!
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yonahime wrote:
TSA wrote:TWL isn't on the DD yet, is it? Because the first screenshots of it made it to tumblr already.
That's fast. I haven't even watched it, maybe i'll just wait till it got to DD :lol: maybe it's just the screenshot that was shared here earlier?

Also good job bluebox-away!
(I hope I'm doing this quoting right.) Nope I just checked, they are screenshots that haven't been posted on here yet.
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I'm finding the drawing conversation really interesting (and funny).I honestly find Phil's more aesthetically pleasing. I'd say he's a better artist than Dan (isn't his father an artist?). Nevertheless, Dan's reminded me of his personality. I really liked Gnosia's description: 'balancing complex ideas and emotions with humor'.
I also think the analyses about Phil's bold lines and Dan's constant need to explain himself are very valid.
I enjoyed them both though
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A bit off topic I'm a newly born phan, sorry : what do you mean by Phil sending angry DM to people? thanks in advance :platonic:
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I feel like a bit of an idiot, but what is DD and how can I access it? lol thanks ahead of time for your reply, I would really like to see TWL
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The weakest link comment under spoiler.
wow, Anne's persona is exactly like my mean professor back in uni. Haha. I love Phil's hair and his awkward hand posture through the episode. I finally understand the Linda reference and I gasp every time someone vote for Phil. I think he is quite bright for his age, manage to go that far in that program although there is one or two question where I answer correctly but he didn't.
Tldr, thank you so much bluebox-away for the epic archive. I wonder will Phil knew that we're able to dig the episode out.
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aaaand the Weakest link screens made it onto my dash. deffo new ones. do you have a tumblr, @bluebox-away? or @spider? cause someone's probs bound to repost it sooner or later in some capacity, you guys might as well get the recognition for it.

sidenote: slightly into the idea of it floating around on tumblr as I cant help but imagine a giddy dan reblog with like "omg no way phil never lets me watch this!!" :D
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TSA wrote:
yonahime wrote:
TSA wrote:TWL isn't on the DD yet, is it? Because the first screenshots of it made it to tumblr already.
That's fast. I haven't even watched it, maybe i'll just wait till it got to DD :lol: maybe it's just the screenshot that was shared here earlier?
Also good job bluebox-away!
(I hope I'm doing this quoting right.) Nope I just checked, they are screenshots that haven't been posted on here yet.
Took a good few hours to reach tumblr then, I thought it might've gotten there quicker haha, it'd be pretty great if gifs and screenshots go around but no-one can find the video :lol:
Ticia wrote:A bit off topic I'm a newly born phan, sorry : what do you mean by Phil sending angry DM to people? thanks in advance :platonic:
In the past if people have shared/reuploaded content that D&P didn't want online they would get a message from Phil telling them to remove it, it's become a bit of a legend tbh
Anyone that wants the link can PM me or spider until it's on the DD, also I may have found it on the obscure archiving website but spider was the one that recorded it for us all
phamnotof wrote:aaaand the Weakest link screens made it onto my dash. deffo new ones. do you have a tumblr, @bluebox-away? or @spider? cause someone's probs bound to repost it sooner or later in some capacity, you guys might as well get the recognition for it.

sidenote: slightly into the idea of it floating around on tumblr as I cant help but imagine a giddy dan reblog with like "omg no way phil never lets me watch this!!" :D
My tumblr is the same as my username on here if you want to send it my way, I'd like to see what people are saying about it :lol: if you want to credit me when you reblog or whatever that's fine but I'm not all that bothered tbh, just don't give all of tumblr the video just yet they need to work for it :tsk:
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this isn't at all relevant but i refound this by accident and i know there's plenty of drag race d+p fans here; 2010ish dan danny noriega (aka adore delano) mention. idk if he still keeps up to date with danny (or is even aware of him these days!) but this fueled my dan in drag dreams a little. the dannynoriega youtube channel back then is funnier than dinof will ever be tbh
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phamnotof wrote: sidenote: slightly into the idea of it floating around on tumblr as I cant help but imagine a giddy dan reblog with like "omg no way phil never lets me watch this!!" :D
But they already admitted that they watched it together in that interview video about tabinof?
Ticia wrote:A bit off topic I'm a newly born phan, sorry : what do you mean by Phil sending angry DM to people? thanks in advance :platonic:
It's a joke because of (i might be wrong) how he once DM a fan that bought tabinof early and showing it? Or was it because he always reports copyrights of voldy? edit: bluebox-away explained it already. soz.
lilMango wrote:I feel like a bit of an idiot, but what is DD and how can I access it? lol thanks ahead of time for your reply, I would really like to see TWL
DD or drug deal, is an archive of almost all of their videos, including deleted ones. Initially created because Phil deleted a lot of his older videos and people want to know what Phil was like back then, i think.
Here's the link: http://cherrypirates.tumblr.com It's password protected though.
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bluebox-away wrote:Anyone that wants the link can PM me or spider until it's on the DD, also I may have found it on the obscure archiving website but spider was the one that recorded it for us all
Couldn't have recorded it without knowing where it was first so bluebox-away
bluebox-away wrote:if you want to credit me when you reblog or whatever that's fine but I'm not all that bothered tbh, just don't give all of tumblr the video just yet they need to work for it :tsk:
Agreed. It's a matter of time before Tumblr gets the video but no way do they get it handed to them on a silver platter after the effort it took to get it. They can fight for it.
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jaej wrote:this isn't at all relevant but i refound this by accident and i know there's plenty of drag race d+p fans here; 2010ish dan danny noriega (aka adore delano) mention. idk if he still keeps up to date with danny (or is even aware of him these days!) but this fueled my dan in drag dreams a little. the dannynoriega youtube channel back then is funnier than dinof will ever be tbh
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