lishachi wrote: Also the posters, were they £20-25? I know they were signed but... Shit, I feel guilty buying posters at HMV for £3.99
The posters are so overpriced. Their non signed posters are just under £10, so you're paying £15 for their autographs. That works out at just over £2 a letter, yeah no thanks guys. I paid the same amount for a tatinof ticket, so £25 is just ridiculous imo. Not sure how they can justify charging that much, do they think their fans are rich (like them ahem).
Well based off all the premium messages they get on YouNow, they probably do think a lot of fans are rich...
I feel like I need to clarify a little when I said that language wasn't culture. I didn't mean that language wasn't an aspect of culture - of COURSE it is - I just meant that language wasn't the only thing that made up a culture. I think what I was more trying to get at was the fact that language is unique in that some are shared by many different cultures, and that in order to gain a certain sense of mobility in the world you must learn to speak different languages. I was just trying to get at the point that I think there are far more malicious actions that have been done against cultures and that these shirts weren't something that anyone should let be the catalyst for a bad argument or for slinging insults (as I saw one person doing and I did not like at all) .
Also, I think someone assumed that I was only English speaking, but that's not true. I'm not completely fluent in the other language I've been exposed to all my life, but on my mother's side I'm a first generation American. She and her entire family of about 16 traveled to the U.S. from the Azores, and my grandmother spoke only Portuguese until the day she died. They were all called greenhorns and were made fun of for being dumb and poor. So I guess what I'm getting at here is that we really don't know much about each other on this forum, so it's easy to make assumptions about each other.
lishachi wrote: Also the posters, were they £20-25? I know they were signed but... Shit, I feel guilty buying posters at HMV for £3.99
The posters are so overpriced. Their non signed posters are just under £10, so you're paying £15 for their autographs. That works out at just over £2 a letter, yeah no thanks guys. I paid the same amount for a tatinof ticket, so £25 is just ridiculous imo. Not sure how they can justify charging that much, do they think their fans are rich (like them ahem).
Yeah, Dan said he never was able to go to concerts, buy merch, etc. when he was younger because his family didn't have much money, so he should know better than to sell overpriced merch.
The posters did sell out within a few hours, so I'm pretty sure they realize that they can charge that much whether it's fair or not.
It's also one of those situations, much like with meet and greet prices, where if they did make it low enough that everyone could afford it would be more of a bloodbath to get them and the outrage would be 'it's not fair, I didn't get one in time, why aren't their more' instead of 'it's not fair, I couldn't afford one.' So they'd have to deal with complaints either way.
That said, there could be a discussion on whether it's still better to let people fight over an affordable but extremely limited run item, because I do agree the prices are too high. There's just no motivation for them to make them lower.
melon lord wrote:saying "racism is this" from your coordinates on the planet earth does not mean racism is the same thing to other people in different coordinates
by limiting and hogging one definition of racism based on one geographical location, you are diluting and erasing the experiences and history of other nations, because it doesn't fit your own little explanation. in other countries, you didn't need to be non-white to be killed, to be assaulted, to be moved around like baggage, to be oppressed. you just needed to be different to the majority, skin tone be damned.
managing to wipe away european and eastern history of blood and violence just because your idea of what racism is, is the "correct" one, is frankly so narrow minded i can't wrap my head around it.
it exhibits a lack of empathy and understanding that during all of humanity's history, people found reasons to discriminate and hate against others. it didn't need to be skin tone. it could be your name, your hair colour, your facial structure, your accent, your birthplace, your culture, your habits, even the food you eat or the clothes you wear. humans always found excuses and leaders always found reasons to wage wars and catastrophe on others.
this obsession with the definition of racism is just blinkers to avoid dealing with the actual flaw in current society. because you cannot open your eyes to the fact that "white people" have in fact experienced horrible things, but oh no it will never reach the level of "racism" you know of
and by doing so one becomes blind to the fact that racism is in its core, discrimination based on a predefined idea of normality, and what is "normality"? that's the local culture. if you act, speak or look different to the major culture, that's considered socially abnormal and therefore you are singled out. and that is why it's important to educate, empathise and extend the tolerance between ourselves over what is "normal". because "normal" is just an illusion bred through ignorance.
nationalism and ethnocentrism are toxin to the core of a global society because it enhances these differences in the most negative way. it doesn't celebrate and open its arms to what is beyond our own culture but instead it's smoke and mirrors, trying to make you feel defending of your normality against the Abnormals, the Others. and at first sure, the Others are people who look drastically different than you. It's not seen a lot, it's rare, it's... different. Sooner or later that definition starts to get broader and broader until one day the tiniest detail in someone that you disagree with is a valid reason for aggravating acts. One day it's "the non whites", next it's "the goths" and then you get people like Sophie Lancaster who despite her British origins, despite her fit into UK society and culture, the mere difference in her external appearance was reason enough to brutally murder her.
it's so easy to argue about what racism is, what is racist and what isn't, meanwhile we ignore that as we progress through the years we become lax and lenient about the actual reason people do this, and it's because they are raised to hate what doesn't look or talk like them. and instead of fighting that in any way, shape or form it manifests in, whether you're in europe and you discriminate against your polish neighbour or you spit at "russian prostitutes", or you're in america and women and trans people and poc get killed with alarming patterns, petty squabbles over a loose and vague term is really what will get us in the end and before we know it, we'll be so paranoid over finding minute differences to hate someone over we'll be beyond rescuing
Thanks to everyone who has been posting on this topic from so many different perspectives! The diversity of this forum is why I joined, rather than just lurked, tbh.
Humans clearly have a deeply-engrained "us vs them" tendency, but just because we've "always" had that as a species doesn't mean we can't learn to overcome it; the struggle is happening right here and progress is being made one step at at time.
I'm somebody as white as Phil; I have a lot of issues with the part of the US in which I live, but I love how diverse it is and am very glad to have been raising my kid in a place where being white isn't a given and doesn't automatically put you on the top of the pile every time.
In other news, is Phil really encouraging pigeons to their balcony? Ew!
I wanna keep out of the cultural appropriation discussion because I don't feel like my opinion matters much since I'm not Japanese, but I like melon lord's post on racism. I think it's important to remember that the US-American definition of racism and xenophobia does not fit Europe and both the US-American and European definitions don't fit Australia or Southeast Asia or other places. Like in the UK there's a lot of xenophobia directed against Eastern Europeans at the moment and I don't think that's a thing in the US anymore, at least not as bad.
It's different in different places and I think it would do a lot of people good to remember that. I've seen people refer to Chinese people living in China as POC and that's just ridiculous. You can't take the US-American definition of race and apply it to China. Definitions of race, ethnicity and racism/xenophobia are different in different countries and it's this kind of US-centrism that makes it hard for many people to understand that their country's understanding of race and ethnicity isn't valid in all other countries too.
Re New Merch: I agree with everyone who said the merch was kind of lazy. Japan was two years ago and while it was cute to have Japan merch back then, it's kind of old now. New things have happened, so why rehash the old design?
lishachi wrote: Also the posters, were they £20-25? I know they were signed but... Shit, I feel guilty buying posters at HMV for £3.99
The posters are so overpriced. Their non signed posters are just under £10, so you're paying £15 for their autographs. That works out at just over £2 a letter, yeah no thanks guys. I paid the same amount for a tatinof ticket, so £25 is just ridiculous imo. Not sure how they can justify charging that much, do they think their fans are rich (like them ahem).
pretty sure the posters are the same price as the signed copy of dapgo i bought for my friend which ,':\ signed copy of an actual book? worth $25. signed poster of an old design? not worth $25. don't forget about shipping which adds on an extra $10.
cherrybomb3 wrote:cultural appropriation wouldnt be nearly as serious if not for capitalism transforming authentic cultures into brands to be advertised and purchased, manufacturing candy floss superficial cultural experiences at £30 a jumper. regardless of the subculture, consumer capitalist hegemony will invariably commodify it into a neat and sterile hollow version that can be adopted by the privileged without any of the judgement that the less privileged members of the original subculture would have to endure in their lives
#downwithcapitalism #capitalismsucks
very happy to hear they have a balcony again. i'd kill for one!
Hey everyone! Long-time lurker, first time poster - and, well, I'll be honest, it was the shock of the cultural appropriation discussion coming in that made me decide to do this, especially as I had pretty strong feelings (positive and negative alike) about what I was seeing last night.
Some background on me to verify my specific opinions, or you know, undermine them, whichever works: I lived in China for the majority of my life pre-my current time at university, and am a mixed race American citizen (white/Taiwanese of Han-Chinese descent) currently going to university in the US. So, like capybantsa, I've lived in a non-white majority nation (albeit in an area that tends to have more foreigners in it, bc multinational corporate branches and the like), but belonged to it in a different way than one might expect.
It's going to be a long post, and I couldn't figure out cuts, so I apologize, but please bear with me, if you can.
Ok - so while I have to understand that people come by their understandings of racism and how it works via either history or their own lived experiences, some of what's been going on here, at least from my perspective, is somewhat insulting in the assumption that one person is reflective of their entire monolithic group (something that wouldn't be assumed, I have to guess, if the person wasn't of a minority in any given nation - and yes, spider is so incredibly right about the fact that Japanese people in Japan, being a majority, are never going to lack representation, positive or otherwise, in their own culture, while people of the Japanese diaspora living in whiter nations, where they now are a minority, tend to, like most minorities, get the short end of the representation stick). You can't be permitted to assume an entire group will react the same way because no group is fully unified, and if someone else of that group tells you one thing and another person tells you another - you read up on it, do some research, and - what's most important - you adapt to each person and their boundaries.
As someone who's only half Chinese/Taiwanese - I don't like it when people appropriate things belonging to that culture, mainly because, largely speaking, they really don't get the significance of it and/or tend to fetishize it (and that's "lucky" racism. Some people are getting killed by police). There's a version of Journey to the West being produced now, and while I'm certainly glad that half-Thai and half-Maori actors are getting jobs, the casting of a white woman in punk leather as Shawujing, the sand demon, along with a seeming lack of Chinese involvement in what was originally a 16th century Chinese novel with decently large religious/folkloric elements leads me to believe no one has a stake in getting this story right. They don't want to research or engage with the cultural underpinnings of it (Buddhist teachings, Daoist/Taoist teachings) because they just see something cool (a story about a badass trickster Monkey King who follows a monk, a pig monster, and a sand demon to India while on the run from flesh-eating demons) and want it now, without considering the fact that maybe people who know those stories might be better at telling them in a more nuanced way, and should at bare minimum be involved in the process, so the story isn't bastardized to the point of being something completely different - Journey to the West 4: The Quest for King Arthur, something like that.
Also, I'm a bit done with people saying Asians in general should be flattered by the fact that people think our cultures are so elegant, and "exotic" (holy hell that word can burn). Because of Orientalist stereotypes, I've already been screwed over to some extent when it comes to dating, with even my white parent warning me to watch out as a kid for (usually) white guys who will fetishize the fact that I am an Asian woman and want to be with me for LITERALLY NO OTHER REASON, just because of their ideas of how cool that culture is and how I would be a good, submissive, supportive little trophy piece.
Surprise, surprise, it happened. And let me tell you, its a little dehumanizing to know someone was with you only or mostly because you were of a certain group rather than because you were you. I told him I was half, his response? "Close enough".
Yes, situations in the US and Europe are very different because both have somewhat different historical contexts. Yes, xenophobia - a fear of/negative perception of foreigners - can lead to situations that sometimes look similar to racism, and sometimes it's difficult to draw the line so easily. I'm not sure myself how to do that in Europe, but I can speak to my own experience, and the reason that cultural appropriation/taking things from other people's cultures for me tends to veer negative is because you don't know the culture well enough to be attempting to modify it, and thus, doing so is inherently disrespecting the culture you claim to respect. I get it that you find certain things cool and interesting, but if you have to ask whether or not you can have/take them, the answer is, maybe you shouldn't do it.
rizzo wrote:Honestly? Japhan is 2 years old. If Dan and Phil want to feature their trips in new merch, give me 2 koalas with fringes.
There's also an entire world of DanandPhilCrafts merch they probably haven't even considered. Like, shit, I'd buy a "Pro-tip!" t-shirt. And this pastel merch could easily have done something with "Soft and Neat" (though I'm aware it was planned beforehand). That's how you feature what you do in more understated ways, imho.
There's a whole gaming channel worth of quotes and ridiculous nonsense that could also be merch-ified. Perhaps an update to the fringe graphic with curls on one? What about socks? Literally, socks are part of Phil's brand.
Frankly, I'm stunned by their lack of creativity.
Agree with this whole post. There is so much they could do with their merch, but instead we get a sweater that they already had just in different colors and some caps. Not very creative imo.
DatCog wrote:
Aww they've got a balcony again, this makes me happy
Nice that they have a balcony indeed, but I agree with their neighbors that there should be no luring of pigeons.
Okay, this conversation needs to stop taking place in the main thread.
I've been quite happy with the discussion about racism and cultural appropriation as long as it related to Dan and Phil, and I was okay with the discussion going in a more general direction for a few posts as long as there was a chance people could learn something from it. At this point though, it's taking away from discussion about Dan and Phil, so if anyone would like to continue - and I hope you do - please either take it to the sociopolitical thread, or make a new thread in the general section.
And to be clear, the discussion is absolutely welcome on the forum, as long as it's in the appropriate place.
[offtopic]For what it's worth, I'm so glad this conversation took place on the main thread while it did, because it's such an important conversation that stretches beyond all of our mutual interest that is and Deppy definitely shouldn't be exempt from criticism. I feel I've learned so much from all these different perspectives (most recently yoursinsincerely's, welcome btw! ) and it's inspired me to educate myself on the subject even more. But moving on from that...[/offtopic]
Unrelated to the cultural appropriation argument, I'm annoyed at the rehash design as well, and as others have pointed out, there are so many missed opportunities for great merch! Socks! T-shirts with quotes! Craft- and Gaming-related merch! I think they should bring back T-shirt design contests or maybe employ a talented Tumblr artist to design an original shirt for them, if they haven't thought of that already.
I was also thinking the space designs don't really have much to do with them either, though they are pretty, and I have a galaxy t-shirt. I'm more of a low-key secretive supporter as I'm embarrassed about broadcasting my interests to anyone that passes me on the street (I bought the more subtle navy Christmas jumper that got a lot of compliments from people who have never heard of D&P) but it feels weird to low-key support them through a galaxy t-shirt when it doesn't really advertise anything about them. It's pretty, though. I feel like a lot of people who don't know D&P would be interested in those kinds of designs.
Re the new merch: I too agree that the fact they're charging £25 for a signed poster is very high. Especially when you realize that the other signed posters were only £10 more. So what gives? Is the poster made of freaking rare material or something? It's very odd, I don't know if I'd call it greedy just yet (it was limited print and all but still), but more completely out of place when compared to previously signed posters.
Also I don't understand why they're new jumpers are actually cheaper than the original cherry blossom jumper and the galaxy jumper? Maybe that's just in the USA store but there's literally a $10 difference between those products and the new ones, so what gives? That's why I don't know if I can call them greedy just yet, because if they really truly were, those jumpers would've all be the same price as the others, if not more. Why make those cheaper than the your other merch, so strange. i still think pixel people design for socks would be a great idea and everyone's been wanting d&p socks for literally YEARS.
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fancy_nancy wrote:That's a lot of money for a poster, even if it's signed, I agree with everyone saying it's overpriced.
Question, what's wrong with feeding pigeons??
Nothing, except for the ensuing crap-ocalypse which usually follows.
A lot of parks and even one large mostly empty parking lot near where I live put up signs forbidding people from feeding geese and pigeons for this reason, so I understand the neighbors not wanting to encourage the behavior. (#getthatfishPhil)
fancy_nancy wrote:That's a lot of money for a poster, even if it's signed, I agree with everyone saying it's overpriced.
Question, what's wrong with feeding pigeons??
Nothing, except for the ensuing crap-ocalypse which usually follows.
A lot of parks and even one large mostly empty parking lot near where I live put up signs forbidding people from feeding geese and pigeons for this reason, so I understand the neighbors not wanting to encourage the behavior. (#getthatfishPhil)
I think that people also regard pigeons as generally dirty/gross animals so they don't want them near their homes.
Pigeons will shit all over the place if they're encouraged to visit and there's a possible health risk from their droppings. Given that D&P are probably renting in a swanky apartment block, I can see why their neighbours would want to keep the pigeons well away!
confusedpanda wrote:Also I don't understand why they're new jumpers are actually cheaper than the original cherry blossom jumper and the galaxy jumper? Maybe that's just in the USA store but there's literally a $10 difference between those products and the new ones, so what gives?
The old jumpers were sweatshirt material, and the pastel ones are long sleeve t-shirt material. It's lighter and has a lower purchase cost. (I'm actually curious what brand they are, I think Gildans run about $3.50 (USD) for a long sleeve tee, vs closer to $5.00 for a sweatshirt, but if it's better quality, the costs would be higher.)
I know people have mentioned the posters, but really, they're making a nice healthy profit on everything, don't worry.
As for other ideas:
I posted this about socks over a year ago, and I'm sure many others could make infinitely better designs, although I'm still very fond of the mismatched pixels idea.
I don't know anything about manufacturing costs for things like that though, it might be too expensive.
For DAPG, an "All or Nothing" design would be quite appropriate.
I'm happy we got plushies, but my other weakness is throw pillows, so my credit card is waiting for that one. (I'd take a galaxy one. I'm a bit obsessed with galaxy print now. And yeah, I could probably find one elsewhere.)
If there was a necklace design that was less obnoxious, I might buy that. (I get the theory behind the whisker one, but it's kinda horribly ugly, so no thanks.)
confusedpanda wrote:Also I don't understand why they're new jumpers are actually cheaper than the original cherry blossom jumper and the galaxy jumper? Maybe that's just in the USA store but there's literally a $10 difference between those products and the new ones, so what gives?
The old jumpers were sweatshirt material, and the pastel ones are long sleeve t-shirt material. It's lighter and has a lower purchase cost. (I'm actually curious what brand they are, I think Gildans run about $3.50 (USD) for a long sleeve tee, vs closer to $5.00 for a sweatshirt, but if it's better quality, the costs would be higher.)
I know people have mentioned the posters, but really, they're making a nice healthy profit on everything, don't worry.
As for other ideas:
I posted this about socks over a year ago, and I'm sure many others could make infinitely better designs, although I'm still very fond of the mismatched pixels idea.
I don't know anything about manufacturing costs for things like that though, it might be too expensive.
For DAPG, an "All or Nothing" design would be quite appropriate.
I'm happy we got plushies, but my other weakness is throw pillows, so my credit card is waiting for that one. (I'd take a galaxy one. I'm a bit obsessed with galaxy print now. And yeah, I could probably find one elsewhere.)
If there was a necklace design that was less obnoxious, I might buy that. (I get the theory behind the whisker one, but it's kinda horribly ugly, so no thanks.)
Ok, imagine... imagine a minimalistic jumper with the words 'all or nothing' kinda small at the chest area. Embroidered or printed. In like, black and white, black on black, pink on black, black on grey, whatever. I'd be so, soooo down for that. The socks look awesome, i'd totally buy them. Honestly there's so many good ideas out there.
apathy wrote:
I posted this about socks over a year ago, and I'm sure many others could make infinitely better designs, although I'm still very fond of the mismatched pixels idea.
I don't know anything about manufacturing costs for things like that though, it might be too expensive.
For DAPG, an "All or Nothing" design would be quite appropriate.
I'm happy we got plushies, but my other weakness is throw pillows, so my credit card is waiting for that one. (I'd take a galaxy one. I'm a bit obsessed with galaxy print now. And yeah, I could probably find one elsewhere.)
If there was a necklace design that was less obnoxious, I might buy that. (I get the theory behind the whisker one, but it's kinda horribly ugly, so no thanks.)
wow, i really love that sock idea! deppy get on that immediately.
i'm honestly surprised they haven't cashed out on all of their catch phrases yet, because that'd be more stealth (which i like) and they're basically already viral. pro tip! soft and neat! all or nothing might even be my favorite tbh.
you probably could find some other pillow but a dan and phil pillow would be amazing. i understand the need for it haha.
and yeah, the necklace is a lot. i'd appreciate a much smaller charmy one.
I totally get that 25 is a lot for a signed poster, but in this particular situation I don't think it's unreasonable? They can't sign a million posters, so raising the prices is the only way to keep them from selling out in five seconds. Like, it would be cool if we could all get a signed poster, just like it would be cool if we could all go to meet&greets, but it's impossible.
I'm only talking about the shit that's relatively out of their control...I'm always so annoyed at how overpriced their merch clothes are, because there's NO reason to be. they can easily make more at a low cost and they obvi. have a market for it...like, make your hundred bills, but while you're at it let some not rich people rep your brand FFS
nephilimcat wrote:I can't believe Dan called the ladybird selfie cringe. Daniel who? Don't know who that is. It's PhilAndPhilGames for me now
Finally the prophacy can be fufilled....Stampy and Phil Games can finally happen!
lilMango wrote:I just came to say: Dan and Phil who? I stan Cornelia now.
autumnhearth wrote:Can I assume that you are American (like me) and think that "homely" just means ugly, like the opposite of comely? I thought this too, until very recently when I was beta reading a fic for a British friend and she laughed at me and informed me that over there it just means home-like or cozy (we might say homey). So Phil is using it correctly!
Wow, I've only heard any British classmates use it in a really condescending way, like for a motel. That's really interesting!
Edit: I have a very very important question. Does their kitchen have a breakfast bar?
llion wrote:i'm honestly surprised they haven't cashed out on all of their catch phrases yet, because that'd be more stealth (which i like) and they're basically already viral. pro tip! soft and neat! all or nothing might even be my favorite tbh.
On the viral phrases like "soft and neat", I'd say two major reasons:
1) "Viral" things are typically inherently shortlived. That's fine if you're throwing something on redbubble or the like, where they're digitally printed on demand as they're bought, but D&P seem to be buying in bulk to keep stock. It gives them more control, and probably more profit, but it's also riskier when the trend could die out in a few weeks/months (the phandom does drag things out a bit longer than more general trends) and you get stuck with leftovers that no one wants.
AKA, why tour t-shirts are currently much cheaper than everything else.
2) I think Dan especially finds the spreading of phrases like that extremely cringey and he wouldn't want to embrace it or encourage it.
apathy wrote:
On the viral phrases like "soft and neat", I'd say two major reasons:
1) "Viral" things are typically inherently shortlived. That's fine if you're throwing something on redbubble or the like, where they're digitally printed on demand as they're bought, but D&P seem to be buying in bulk to keep stock. It gives them more control, and probably more profit, but it's also riskier when the trend could die out in a few weeks/months (the phandom does drag things out a bit longer than more general trends) and you get stuck with leftovers that no one wants.
AKA, why tour t-shirts are currently much cheaper than everything else.
2) I think Dan especially finds the spreading of phrases like that extremely cringey and he wouldn't want to embrace it or encourage it.
i didn't even think of that, great point! and i honestly forgot about dans cringe at it all lmao. still want all or nothing
rizzo wrote:Honestly? Japhan is 2 years old. If Dan and Phil want to feature their trips in new merch, give me 2 koalas with fringes.
There's also an entire world of DanandPhilCrafts merch they probably haven't even considered. Like, shit, I'd buy a "Pro-tip!" t-shirt. And this pastel merch could easily have done something with "Soft and Neat" (though I'm aware it was planned beforehand). That's how you feature what you do in more understated ways, imho.
There's a whole gaming channel worth of quotes and ridiculous nonsense that could also be merch-ified. Perhaps an update to the fringe graphic with curls on one? What about socks? Literally, socks are part of Phil's brand.
Frankly, I'm stunned by their lack of creativity.
Same here rizzo. I really can't believe they just churned out old merch in 3 different colours. I think socks is such a good idea (I saw someone design them some on twitter or tumblr ages ago but can't find the image but they were so good) and would sell really well.
Let's face it though, deppy could release toilet paper with their faces on and people would lap that shit up, they could put up a tshirt that was plain black with a D&P label with the sizing on for £40 and people would still pay those ridiculous prices. They're lucky the phandom will buy any old crap.
They should sell socks! Honestly I'm surprised they haven't come out with sock designs. I think that the younger part of the Phandom would definitely buy pretty much anything, which is sad really because deppy are very creative people and yet this release of merch didn't do anything to prove that. It's also weird, because they must know that a big part of the phandom will buy these products, like for £20 odd I wouldn't pay for a slightly different design to the one they released 2 years ago (that was actually relevant) Also the posters, were they £20-25? I know they were signed but... Shit, I feel guilty buying posters at HMV for £3.99
Also gaming channel merch or like little understated quotes or minimalistic designs or something would be awesome. Not the same thing churned out 2 years later with a slight difference.
I agree with all of you. My biggest disappointment was that they just put an existing image on different colored shirts (in long sleeves only as someone already pointed out). They could have/should have upped their "game"
Socks were something I had thought of too! I think they should ask their fans for suggestions. After all, those are the people who are going to buy the stuff, so you might as well give them what they want. I'd say people on the IDB forum are as hard-core as they come, and there have been more people saying they would NOT buy this round of merch than would.
We could make a Merch Suggestion thread and then if anyone on here might know they could direct them to the thread . . . if they aren't lurking (insert winking emoji I could not find)
karma_yeah wrote:
We could make a Merch Suggestion thread and then if anyone on here might know they could direct them to the thread . . . if they aren't lurking (insert winking emoji I could not find)
Good idea re. merch thread. I'd like an aesthetically pleasing iphone case suitable for a more mature fan and some subtle t-shirts in pastel tones...oh and socks of course (they don't have to be tasteful/subtle).
karma_yeah wrote:
We could make a Merch Suggestion thread and then if anyone on here might know they could direct them to the thread . . . if they aren't lurking (insert winking emoji I could not find)
Good idea re. merch thread. I'd like an aesthetically pleasing iphone case suitable for a more mature fan and some subtle t-shirts in pastel tones...oh and socks of course (they don't have to be tasteful/subtle).
i'm all for this! also if people get excited enough about merch ideas they could simply catch wind of it.
lishachi wrote:
Ok, imagine... imagine a minimalistic jumper with the words 'all or nothing' kinda small at the chest area. Embroidered or printed. In like, black and white, black on black, pink on black, black on grey, whatever. I'd be so, soooo down for that.
That would be such a great idea. Simple, related to them but not obviously related to them and aesthetically pleasing. Come on, Dan, Phil, do something like this! It might be the first time I'd buy your merch because it would fit my monochrome, don't draw attention to yourself aesthetic.
dontpanic wrote:
nephilimcat wrote:I can't believe Dan called the ladybird selfie cringe. Daniel who? Don't know who that is. It's PhilAndPhilGames for me now
Finally the prophacy can be fufilled....Stampy and Phil Games can finally happen!
lishachi wrote:
Ok, imagine... imagine a minimalistic jumper with the words 'all or nothing' kinda small at the chest area. Embroidered or printed. In like, black and white, black on black, pink on black, black on grey, whatever. I'd be so, soooo down for that.
That would be such a great idea. Simple, related to them but not obviously related to them and aesthetically pleasing. Come on, Dan, Phil, do something like this! It might be the first time I'd buy your merch because it would fit my monochrome, don't draw attention to yourself aesthetic.
dontpanic wrote:
nephilimcat wrote:I can't believe Dan called the ladybird selfie cringe. Daniel who? Don't know who that is. It's PhilAndPhilGames for me now
Finally the prophacy can be fufilled....Stampy and Phil Games can finally happen!
I ship Phampy now
Honestly same with me, my style is mainly black/monochrome/anything muted or dark. Now I can't stop thinking about how cool it'd look. All or nothing, in small print, on a black jumper. I would gladly invest in 1 or 10 of those.
llion wrote:
DatCog wrote:
karma_yeah wrote:
We could make a Merch Suggestion thread and then if anyone on here might know they could direct them to the thread . . . if they aren't lurking (insert winking emoji I could not find)
Good idea re. merch thread. I'd like an aesthetically pleasing iphone case suitable for a more mature fan and some subtle t-shirts in pastel tones...oh and socks of course (they don't have to be tasteful/subtle).
i'm all for this! also if people get excited enough about merch ideas they could simply catch wind of it.
There is a thread http://indepthbants.com/topic520.html in case you didn't know! Could talk there if it's getting off-topic or something. (I'm so excited about potential merch ideas now.)
) and it's inspired me to educate myself on the subject even more. But moving on from that...[/offtopic]
