Dan & Phil Part 48: Exposing themselves via fidget spinner

[alittledizzy]

Not deppy, but better the next best thing:

So I guess IRL Store has an instagram now?

[droopy]

With My Chem they had this TV thing on their website with different 'channels' that played different things - one of them was playing distorted music and had a specific number attached to the 'channel'. Someone realised that the number was the number of points the Taiwanese stock market had changed that day. They saved the music from the TV and analysed it by running it through various music programs to the closing number of the Taiwanese stock market. Trying to make something that was music-like come out of it. (does anyone remember this? It was called the MCR Mindfuck 2010 - I have fond memories of it)

While it was a little bit OTT, I think healthy fandoms do encourage that level of theorising?! Maybe not invading peoples privacy (like posting their address on the internet for everyone to stalk), but definitely conversation and discussion and conspiracy theories. Think back to only a few weeks ago with the Bahamas drama, that DEFINITELY reminds me of what happened in 2010 with MCR.

Oh man, this takes me back to my K-Pop days... I was never part of the MCR fandom (casual listener oops), but we had similar stuff happen in the various K-Pop group fandoms. I wish I could think of a specific anecdote to share, but nothing comes to mind... But yeah, I definitely agree that theorizing is important and healthy for a fandom - it's a sign of interest and engagement. I think that different demographics and different fandoms/communities get engaged in different ways, and in the case of D&P (and MCR, K-Pop groups, etc.) that form of engagement is theorizing and discussing every detail until it's been stripped down to molecular level.

(And of course, lots of shipping too... I remember, for the group I stanned, everyone kind of shipped the guys with each other for fun, but then there were Those Two Guys that everyone was kinda-sorta-legitimately wondering about. Now that I think about it, there are so many parallels to D&P and Those Two Guys, including a "dark" era like 2012, being immediate and intense friends, being weirdly close before they got super famous... wow. I feel like I just had an epiphany and need to sit quietly and process it for a while.)

So has anything been factually determined about Those Two Guys relationship? I don't know who you're talking about but anything that parallels deppy is interesting to me!

I don't think so, unfortunately. I went back through a timeline to jog my memory, but unless something drastic happened since I faded out of that fandom, nothing was ever conclusive. It is worth noting that the lives and public images of K-Pop stars are MUCH more manufactured, moreso than D&P could ever hope to do. There was a lot more overt fanservice, especially later in their careers, and it was even more difficult to understand what was going on behind the scenes. Also, the way boys platonically express physical affection for each other in South Korea is much more carefree than it is in, say, America (where I live) and probably the UK as well, so things that would be seen as "proof" here are just normal for them. That being said, they definitely had a very strong, unique bond, that occasionally crept out from behind the layers and layers of manufacturing and fanservice. They had the era where they were young and just starting out, where the things they said and did didn't have as much consequence (like the 2009 deppy era). Then there was the "dark" era, where one guy was rumored to be dating an actress and the other seemed pissed about it. They used to express their appreciation for the other very openly ("you're my best friend," "you're mine," "the luckiest thing that happened to me was meeting you," etc.) And I remember one of them was pretty clearly gay, but not out, which doesn't prove anything, but yeah. It was very interesting.

this was kind of a pointless ramble sorry

[papierklemmen]

With My Chem they had this TV thing on their website with different 'channels' that played different things - one of them was playing distorted music and had a specific number attached to the 'channel'. Someone realised that the number was the number of points the Taiwanese stock market had changed that day. They saved the music from the TV and analysed it by running it through various music programs to the closing number of the Taiwanese stock market. Trying to make something that was music-like come out of it. (does anyone remember this? It was called the MCR Mindfuck 2010 - I have fond memories of it)

While it was a little bit OTT, I think healthy fandoms do encourage that level of theorising?! Maybe not invading peoples privacy (like posting their address on the internet for everyone to stalk), but definitely conversation and discussion and conspiracy theories. Think back to only a few weeks ago with the Bahamas drama, that DEFINITELY reminds me of what happened in 2010 with MCR.

Oh man, this takes me back to my K-Pop days... I was never part of the MCR fandom (casual listener oops), but we had similar stuff happen in the various K-Pop group fandoms. I wish I could think of a specific anecdote to share, but nothing comes to mind... But yeah, I definitely agree that theorizing is important and healthy for a fandom - it's a sign of interest and engagement. I think that different demographics and different fandoms/communities get engaged in different ways, and in the case of D&P (and MCR, K-Pop groups, etc.) that form of engagement is theorizing and discussing every detail until it's been stripped down to molecular level.

(And of course, lots of shipping too... I remember, for the group I stanned, everyone kind of shipped the guys with each other for fun, but then there were Those Two Guys that everyone was kinda-sorta-legitimately wondering about. Now that I think about it, there are so many parallels to D&P and Those Two Guys, including a "dark" era like 2012, being immediate and intense friends, being weirdly close before they got super famous... wow. I feel like I just had an epiphany and need to sit quietly and process it for a while.)

So has anything been factually determined about Those Two Guys relationship? I don't know who you're talking about but anything that parallels deppy is interesting to me!

I don't think so, unfortunately. I went back through a timeline to jog my memory, but unless something drastic happened since I faded out of that fandom, nothing was ever conclusive. It is worth noting that the lives and public images of K-Pop stars are MUCH more manufactured, moreso than D&P could ever hope to do. There was a lot more overt fanservice, especially later in their careers, and it was even more difficult to understand what was going on behind the scenes. Also, the way boys platonically express physical affection for each other in South Korea is much more carefree than it is in, say, America (where I live) and probably the UK as well, so things that would be seen as "proof" here are just normal for them. That being said, they definitely had a very strong, unique bond, that occasionally crept out from behind the layers and layers of manufacturing and fanservice. They had the era where they were young and just starting out, where the things they said and did didn't have as much consequence (like the 2009 deppy era). Then there was the "dark" era, where one guy was rumored to be dating an actress and the other seemed pissed about it. They used to express their appreciation for the other very openly ("you're my best friend," "you're mine," "the luckiest thing that happened to me was meeting you," etc.) And I remember one of them was pretty clearly gay, but not out, which doesn't prove anything, but yeah. It was very interesting.

this was kind of a pointless ramble sorry

lol are you talking about jongkey? because if it's them i'm pretty sure it was never more than an international fan specualtion based on pretty much nothing. ofc we may never know, key is clearly (as clear as you can be in korea ofc) not straight and over the years he had veeeery obvious boyfriends (the most obvious being that tall lanky model, that breakup was so ugly lmao when he deleted all his pics from his instagram overnight....smh) and jonghyun is, bless him, a rare in kshowbiz case of a social justice warrior who cares about human rights but he quite clearly dissociates himself from the lgbt community while openly supporting them. there were many internal issues in the group during that and other periods when infighting and picking sides was prominent but it's very unlikely that any of that had to do with dating.

and if you're not talking about them then idk... kpop is ridden with "ships" but most of them is just baseless tinhatting if only because lgbt rights are still an issue in korea.

[droopy]

With My Chem they had this TV thing on their website with different 'channels' that played different things - one of them was playing distorted music and had a specific number attached to the 'channel'. Someone realised that the number was the number of points the Taiwanese stock market had changed that day. They saved the music from the TV and analysed it by running it through various music programs to the closing number of the Taiwanese stock market. Trying to make something that was music-like come out of it. (does anyone remember this? It was called the MCR Mindfuck 2010 - I have fond memories of it)

While it was a little bit OTT, I think healthy fandoms do encourage that level of theorising?! Maybe not invading peoples privacy (like posting their address on the internet for everyone to stalk), but definitely conversation and discussion and conspiracy theories. Think back to only a few weeks ago with the Bahamas drama, that DEFINITELY reminds me of what happened in 2010 with MCR.

Oh man, this takes me back to my K-Pop days... I was never part of the MCR fandom (casual listener oops), but we had similar stuff happen in the various K-Pop group fandoms. I wish I could think of a specific anecdote to share, but nothing comes to mind... But yeah, I definitely agree that theorizing is important and healthy for a fandom - it's a sign of interest and engagement. I think that different demographics and different fandoms/communities get engaged in different ways, and in the case of D&P (and MCR, K-Pop groups, etc.) that form of engagement is theorizing and discussing every detail until it's been stripped down to molecular level.

(And of course, lots of shipping too... I remember, for the group I stanned, everyone kind of shipped the guys with each other for fun, but then there were Those Two Guys that everyone was kinda-sorta-legitimately wondering about. Now that I think about it, there are so many parallels to D&P and Those Two Guys, including a "dark" era like 2012, being immediate and intense friends, being weirdly close before they got super famous... wow. I feel like I just had an epiphany and need to sit quietly and process it for a while.)

So has anything been factually determined about Those Two Guys relationship? I don't know who you're talking about but anything that parallels deppy is interesting to me!

I don't think so, unfortunately. I went back through a timeline to jog my memory, but unless something drastic happened since I faded out of that fandom, nothing was ever conclusive. It is worth noting that the lives and public images of K-Pop stars are MUCH more manufactured, moreso than D&P could ever hope to do. There was a lot more overt fanservice, especially later in their careers, and it was even more difficult to understand what was going on behind the scenes. Also, the way boys platonically express physical affection for each other in South Korea is much more carefree than it is in, say, America (where I live) and probably the UK as well, so things that would be seen as "proof" here are just normal for them. That being said, they definitely had a very strong, unique bond, that occasionally crept out from behind the layers and layers of manufacturing and fanservice. They had the era where they were young and just starting out, where the things they said and did didn't have as much consequence (like the 2009 deppy era). Then there was the "dark" era, where one guy was rumored to be dating an actress and the other seemed pissed about it. They used to express their appreciation for the other very openly ("you're my best friend," "you're mine," "the luckiest thing that happened to me was meeting you," etc.) And I remember one of them was pretty clearly gay, but not out, which doesn't prove anything, but yeah. It was very interesting.

this was kind of a pointless ramble sorry

lol are you talking about jongkey? because if it's them i'm pretty sure it was never more than an international fan specualtion based on pretty much nothing. ofc we may never know, key is clearly (as clear as you can be in korea ofc) not straight and over the years he had veeeery obvious boyfriends (the most obvious being that tall lanky model, that breakup was so ugly lmao when he deleted all his pics from his instagram overnight....smh) and jonghyun is, bless him, a rare in kshowbiz case of a social justice warrior who cares about human rights but he quite clearly dissociates himself from the lgbt community while openly supporting them. there were many internal issues in the group during that and other periods when infighting and picking sides was prominent but it's very unlikely that any of that had to do with dating.

and if you're not talking about them then idk... kpop is ridden with "ships" but most of them is just baseless tinhatting if only because lgbt rights are still an issue in korea.

jongkey? I haven't heard that name in years...

lmao yep, that's the one. I would like to clarify that I haven't been keeping up with SHINee for years now, so I'm not up to date at all. And I don't think they're actually together. I just think it's interesting the parallels that can be drawn between them and D&P, although, again, K-Pop groups are more manufactured than D&P and a lot of their public image is artificial and/or heavily regulated. I'm just going off my memories from my teen years; if I looked back now I'm sure I'd view things they did differently. I think it's interesting to draw parallels between the way D&P act and the way their audience perceives it, with other fandoms that "ship" IRL people. Comparing the similarities and differences is (and I've totally overused this word now) interesting.

It's awesome to hear the Jonghyun is openly supportive of the LGBT+ community. Career-wise, that is definitely a brave stance to take in a conservative country.

[flarequake]

Vidcon will be streaming some things at later on, btw. That's the link for day one, they have two more set up ready for days two and three on their channel.

[weirdforces]

https://youtu.be/v5lR_6719Ho

Jenna made a Punk edit video with Julien and was mentioning Deppy a lot! I hope they hang out at vidcon

[fondsmiles]

wow, this is really interesting to see your guys' perspective on this. I personally really don't feel the same way, even though I am also in other youtube fandoms (where things are a bit different), and am also very invested in deppy as people (and maybe sometimes too much in their private lives).
while I do agree that discussion of the content and in-depth ( ) conversations are crucial to a fandom, I personally can't see how drama and serious theorising (in the sense that it actually upsets and affects people emotionally, and they depend on the outcome of those theories in their emotions) are crucial to a healthy fandom though. I am not used to this from other fandoms, and I've always viewed it as kind of toxic, because to me it's always only produced negative emotions in people.
do you have different perceptions of that? where do you draw the line to unhealthy fandom behaviour, then?
(this kind of stuff is really interesting to me)

For me, I think its healthy as long as your life isn't affected. If it is making you happy and is fun then go for it, but if you become withdrawn/living through fandoms then you have a problem that is deeper than being a superfan. Like if Phan was confirmed as real tomorrow I'd be super happy (that I was right about it), but I don't care enough to base my happiness on it. I used to, and that was because I had issues I hadn't dealt with.

I also draw a very bold line at internet theorising when it comes into real life. I love deppy don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to try and track them down. I'm not going to ask them anything personal in public, I felt REALLY sick when I saw photos of Dans brother (by accident). I think the people who sent Dan ask after ask about Phan were unhealthy, because it clearly had massive negative impacts. Does this make any sense? I think theres a clear line - and I think that some things cross it. Like that fan who worked out where they lived and had her dad take her there?? Too far. You're now a stalker.

Also with the comparisons to other ships, the two that were big with My Chem fans were Frerard and GerardxBert (Which i don't even know if that has a ship name omg fake fan). I find it interesting comparing deppy to these two. Frerard made out on stage, they sat on each others laps and acted cute and couply, but I genuinely believe that AT MOST they were just two guys on tour, and I think most of it was a performance. (this was circa 2004, and I think they wanted to weed out homophobes from their audience, and I genuinely think thats confirmed). Even though they made out, which if deppy did it it would be 100% Phan confirmed to EVERYONE, they still came across as less of a couple than deppy do. Whereas GerardxBert again, weren't as couply as Frerard (Still more so than deppy), but I believe that was an actual relationship because when that 'ended' Bert ROASTED Gerard. For years afterwards. And GerardxBert reminds me more of deppy than Frerard does, even though Frerard made out (Which would be Phan confirmed to even the most anti-Phan people).

I hope that makes sense

thank you to you and anyone else who stated their opinions on this! on my twitter I made a poll asking people about it too, and pretty much everyone said it's complicated, and there were also discussions on how the line to it becoming unhealthy is probably when it affects your own life too much emotionally. Like, when you depend on the fandom or things that happen there for happiness.
I also think that, I guess for me just the word drama already has that connotation that it does affect people negatively - that's just a definition problem, maybe. Also, maybe definitely I sometimes take things too seriously and when I see lots of serious discussion about something I may read that as bigger emotions, when it's actually just fun for people to get involved more.
sorry if this is all off-topic, I just really enjoy thinking about those things and figuring stuff out about how people perceive things differently, aaah i gotta stop feeling so awkward posting here

[alittledizzy]

I also think that, I guess for me just the word drama already has that connotation that it does affect people negatively - that's just a definition problem, maybe. Also, maybe definitely I sometimes take things too seriously and when I see lots of serious discussion about something I may read that as bigger emotions, when it's actually just fun for people to get involved more.

I can say personally for me, if it's not fun/I'm not getting something out of it then I wouldn't be doing it! Discussing things like Dan and Phil on camera vs off or the quality of content or learning what about different videos people react to differently, what perspectives actually make people angry, what people are driven to defend because there's some level of personal projection happening... it's all fascinating. I know I'm definitely prone to making fandoms into a debating ground sometimes but I would be bored to tears in an environment where civil but heated conversation didn't happen regularly! Passionate people have passionate opinions, and I don't think I could handle it if they were only ever positive.

But there's definitely nothing wrong with being someone who does want it to be positive though. That's one of the reasons fandoms are so great, you can shape them into what you want to be based on what you involve yourself in and who you surround yourself with.

[captainspacecoat]

I can say personally for me, if it's not fun/I'm not getting something out of it then I wouldn't be doing it! Discussing things like Dan and Phil on camera vs off or the quality of content or learning what about different videos people react to differently, what perspectives actually make people angry, what people are driven to defend because there's some level of personal projection happening... it's all fascinating. I know I'm definitely prone to making fandoms into a debating ground sometimes but I would be bored to tears in an environment where civil but heated conversation didn't happen regularly! Passionate people have passionate opinions, and I don't think I could handle it if they were only ever positive.

But there's definitely nothing wrong with being someone who does want it to be positive though. That's one of the reasons fandoms are so great, you can shape them into what you want to be based on what you involve yourself in and who you surround yourself with.

Definitely agree with this! During my dnp hiatus of 2014-2016 I jumped ship to the Shameless fandom, and hoo boy was that an example of when fandom turns unhealthy. The fandom rapidly began to dissolve due to the show itself going downhill, and people turned on each other in really nasty ways. There was so much awful in-fighting and it became such a toxic online space that it just stopped being an enjoyable experience at all. I actually think it was an important experience for me to have, as this time around I've tailored my fandom experience into one that is healthy, enjoyable and fulfilling to me.

It's so important to recognise your own boundaries and what exactly it is that you get out of being in a fandom, and to reevaluate if it starts to become a negative experience for you. I really respect that this forum is filled with so many passionate, like-minded people, and that discussion is for the most part heated yet respectable, and very rarely nasty (at least in my experience, I don't doubt that there's a lot of boundary-crossing and inappropriate behaviour that goes on in the dnp fandom, I just tend to steer clear of that personally)

[alittledizzy]

Looks like there's a poster of pastel Dan and Phil... I hope we get a closeup of that soon.

[flarequake]

Oh, that'll be the poster I saw someone tweet about. It does look pretty.

[alittledizzy]

[sparkle]

oh my god thats hideous....


I need one

(I also found the unicorn on firebox and I need like 7 of them)

[thephandommenace]

disgusting bbys
I'll take 10

[somethingsketchy]

Vidcon will be streaming some things at later on, btw. That's the link for day one, they have two more set up ready for days two and three on their channel.

I really hope the Night of Community show will be streamed because I am going to wake up at 5 am to watch it. I am excited to see what it's going to be like because the description is kind of vague.

I've needed to get up at six every morning this week in order to go to work, so it's not too big of a stretch to wake up at five for once. Otherwise I totally wouldn't...

[flarequake]

Wow, that poster's cute as hell. I have so many posters of them, I've run out of wall (non-papered wall that I'm happy to stick Blutak on, anyway. I also have many non-Deppy posters, the wall is just white otherwise and needs brightening up).

So far the highlight of the stream for me has been John and Hank Green. I realised the other day that Hank's colouring is pretty much how Phil might look if he stopped dyeing his hair (if his brown hair really was dyed and he is still more ginger, otherwise idk). John was adorable talking about his new book. His anxiety endears me to him so much (he's also just cute and I love his voice, before I discovered Phil, he was bae, now Hank is up there too, it's cosy on that plinth).

[somethingsketchy]

So far the highlight of the stream for me has been John and Hank Green. I realised the other day that Hank's colouring is pretty much how Phil might look if he stopped dyeing his hair (if his brown hair really was dyed and he is still more ginger, otherwise idk). John was adorable talking about his new book. His anxiety endears me to him so much (he's also just cute and I love his voice, before I discovered Phil, he was bae, now Hank is up there too, it's cosy on that plinth).

John and Hank's stage event was so nice! I haven't liked any of the John Green books I've read so far, and I've read like four of them, but I am strangely intrigued by this upcoming one.

Would anyone else be interested in having a separate thread for non-D&P-related VidCon discussion? I have no one else to talk to about any of this.

(I also found the unicorn on firebox and I need like 7 of them)

I've had Firebox open in a tab for several weeks just so that I can drool over the unicorn whenever I want.

[fondsmiles]

Would anyone else be interested in having a separate thread for non-D&P-related VidCon discussion? I have no one else to talk to about any of this.

yes, me, I made a topic

[malday]

I really hope the Night of Community show will be streamed because I am going to wake up at 5 am to watch it. I am excited to see what it's going to be like because the description is kind of vague.

it's not listed on the livestream schedule so it's probably won't be streamed.

[somethingsketchy]

I really hope the Night of Community show will be streamed because I am going to wake up at 5 am to watch it. I am excited to see what it's going to be like because the description is kind of vague.

it's not listed on the livestream schedule so it's probably won't be streamed.

Well, too bad. Let's hope someone films it.

[pastelspectre]

i want that the deppy pastel poster ill take 10 jk i wish. i dont have any posters of them. the only merch i have of them is a llama hat and dapgo. i used to have an old dan shirt from districtlines before they had an official shop but idk what happened to it :c

[sparkle]

i want that the deppy pastel poster ill take 10 jk i wish. i dont have any posters of them. the only merch i have of them is a llama hat and dapgo. i used to have an old dan shirt from districtlines before they had an official shop but idk what happened to it :c

if it wasn't horribly damaged (it survived a fire but moving house damaged it) I'd genuinely send you my old poster. I had this one, it's sat in my wardrobe because I'd feel awful if I threw it away, but it's not nice enough to give to anybody

[dontpanic]

Looks like there's a poster of pastel Dan and Phil... I hope we get a closeup of that soon.

The "Danger Girls at Work" sign in the bottom right corner is adorable

[droopy]

That poster reminds me of these comments I found and saved from one of their pastel Instagram pics. I had completely forgotten about it until I saw the poster and now I'm laughing uncontrollably all over again.

[dif]

hi, everyone!
i've been lurking for half a year and have recently made an account to go through all of cherrybomb's posts
just wanted to say that you're all so nice. i'm really happy i found this place.

also, there are some creepshots of Deppy at the London airport from this morning so it looks like Dan just wasn't in ls mood this tuesday. poor boys! their panel is only 4 hours away and they must still be in the air...

i'm not a native speaker and punctuation surely wasn't taught at my school so soz