Dan & Phil Part 49: Don't curl, quiff

[nøx]

Dang, I had to restart and install updates on my computer while typing this, hope the convo hasn't moved too far

Anyway, loved the sims video, always makes me feel like playing, whoops. At least I actually have time now, sorta.
My favourite part was definitely when Dan said something along the lines of "Not that names or gender mEAN ANYTHING!!" because, I mean, same. (Please don't take that as an actual summary of my entire opinion on gender, ahah!) I would actually really love to have a conversation with Dan about gender. I'm just genuinely interested in his off-camera opinion and experiences, so anytime it comes up, I'm delighted lol.

[ananas]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

I can give you one non-shipper perspective. I have been watching Dan and Phil since ~2012 and never really got into the shipping thing. I enjoy reading manga with both straight and gay couples and fanfiction of them (this is how I discovered fanfiction in the first place). I discovered how much there is fanfiction made of Dan and Phil and scrolled through some. I read some long, plot heavy ones that are well written. I don't really care for sex scenes. When reading, I don't really think about the characters as the real Dan and Phil. So usually it's just like a novel for me that just happens to have Dan and Phil named main characters, if that makes sense. I still read alongside fanfiction made of manga like Haikyuu or Nanatsu no taizai. Phanfiction doesn't make me want to ship them, or at least hasn't yet

[opendoor]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

My whole Internet life, in many fandoms, I've gone through phases of reading fanfic obsessively, reading it casually, and not reading it at all.

ATM I'm just reading phanfic casually, pretty much just the writers I'm subscribed to on AO3, and the fics that get recommended on the fic thread here. But a few months after I first got really into dnp back at the end of 2015, I went on a massive phanfic spree. I probably got through a good percentage of the well-written fics at the time. I don't know where the urge to devour fanfic comes from, but when it overtakes me that's what I do

I think I differentiate between the Dan and Phil in fics, and the people in real life, so fics have no bearing on my opinion about their relationship. I do ship them and believe they're together (who doesn't nowadays, wait pretend I didn't ask that, they'll be someone).

The only way the two connect in my mind is sometimes when something romantic happens in fics, I consider whether real life Dan and Phil would do something like that. Obviously we never see a romantic side to them, so it's a mystery.

This was sort of a ramble, but an enjoyable ramble

[Whommel]

My favourite part was definitely when Dan said something along the lines of "Not that names or gender mEAN ANYTHING!!" because, I mean, same. (Please don't take that as an actual summary of my entire opinion on gender, ahah!) I would actually really love to have a conversation with Dan about gender. I'm just genuinely interested in his off-camera opinion and experiences, so anytime it comes up, I'm delighted lol.

I'm genderfluid so that's what really made me love Dan, one of the first things I saw with him was a liveshow where he talked about gender and I was just so moved by what he said. From then on I just fell deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

Dan and Phil got me back into reading fanfiction after a very long hiatus (I haven't read anything since early Glee fandom although I used to be very active since 2001 really) and now I've even written two stories. I've been in the phandom since March.
I do believe Phan is real and I guess fanfiction makes me ship it more, but it's mostly the real things happening and some - but not all - of the Phan proof that makes me believe it and ship it. I'm a skeptic by default, but there's just so much that points that way.

[droopy]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

This is a good question, and I'm interested to see other responses to it!

Writing is one of my biggest passions in life, and it was the main way I was involved in my first-ever fandom as a barely-tween, so as my interests changed over the years, fanfiction remained the constant - the way I involved myself in any fandom beyond just consuming the source material. I stopped writing it at some point late in my high school career, because I wanted to focus more on original work and felt like always thinking within the box of "fanfiction" stunted my creativity (I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, just the case for me). Fanfiction is a unique medium and I'm always fascinated seeing how authors take what's already there and twist it, add to it, and otherwise play with what they've got.

Anyway, I didn't start reading D&P fanfiction at first (I was busy in uni and was also trying to avoid shipping them), but of course I found my way there eventually. I'm ambivalent about the full nature of their relationship irl, and am always waffling between a "yes/no" answer because stuff contradicts other stuff, and at the end of the day I'm bad at comprehending things I can't feel or see myself, and so I can't find the definitive answer I'm looking for. Obviously I still enjoy all the fun that surrounds the ambiguity, and enjoy speculation, and appreciating all their fondness, even if I can't manage to actually pick a side on the Great Phan Debate. And fanfiction is... well, fiction, so what I think about them in reality doesn't (in my mind) apply to the characters I read about/see in fanart/etc.

I actually had a professor my freshman year catch me off guard - he asked how I got into writing, and when I somewhat sheepishly and dismissively said I used to write fanfiction, his entire face lit up and he said, "Oh, I love fanfiction!" (He continued that line of thought, but I was so surprised I missed the rest of what he said, lol.) He sort of made me rethink it - besides wanting to focus on developing my original ideas, I had also felt like fanfiction was meant for younger fans, and that I was supposed to be outgrowing it, so I withdrew for that reason, as well. I haven't written anything for Deppy yet, but maybe I'll get around to it someday. Although most of my ideas are so silly, involving them adopting badger children and such, so I'm not exactly sure what I would be contributing to the fandom.

Thanks for asking this question, and sorry for the mini-essay, haha!

[Susanisnotafish]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

Dan and Phil got me back into reading fanfiction after a very long hiatus (I haven't read anything since early Glee fandom although I used to be very active since 2001 really) and now I've even written two stories. I've been in the phandom since March.
I do believe Phan is real and I guess fanfiction makes me ship it more, but it's mostly the real things happening and some - but not all - of the Phan proof that makes me believe it and ship it. I'm a skeptic by default, but there's just so much that points that way.

Thanks to everyone answering my questions! Your thoughts are very interesting to me. Guess I'll go ahead and answer my own question while I have the time.

I mostly believe Phan is real, but I have some doubts and sometimes those doubts seem to take over, and that makes me distressed for some reason. I too am a skeptic by nature. I also don't really even read any fiction since I've been an adult, only biographies and nonfiction. I did end up reading the infamous hat fic a while ago and that scared me off Phan fiction for a good while. I don't get slash fiction I guess (if that's what that was, I don't even know). I finally was craving even more deppy despite their regular uploads, probably due to the lack of live shows recently, so I read some of the fics from the IDB Phan fic thread. I was somewhat surprised to find I enjoyed them as good writing and also bc the ones that stuck to canon had some good scenarios to explain Dan's 2012/2013 Phan denials, which warmed my heart and placated my skeptical parts. So for me, I initially started reading Phan fiction as a substitute for reality (live shows) and I thought it would be a poor substitute bc I place greater importance on reality. But it turns out I'm now worried reality maybe won't live up to fiction and I'll be addicted to Phan fics. I can see why if Phan is real, Dan would be feeling a lot of pressure to be as interesting/cute/romantic/adventurous in bed as the fics portray. I feel like Phil doesn't doubt himself and would handle it better. It is kind of a bad deal for the subjects of fan fiction (although they could have some fun with the sexy ones and try them out). I also now see why lots of fic readers/writers are saying reality is giving them a run for their money (Boncas speech, Florida, moving together, plans for a dog). It's wild to read older fics and see some stuff coming true. So Phan fiction has been bittersweet I think for me at this point.

[saffarinda]

Re. Phanfiction: Fanfiction is usually the factor that engages me most within a fandom. I adore reading, and having some people/characters that you love go through any multitude of situations is incredible, and I'm always amazed by the impact it has upon me. I always know when I'm becoming immersed within another fandom because I start reading (or re-reading) the fanfiction.

My first experience with fanfiction was the Harry Potter fandom, I actually watched Harry Potter Chatrooms on Youtube and was shocked when I realised I could read that sort of stuff without it being in a video format.

I do ship phan, although I lean on the skeptical side as to whether or not they're together. I just like seeing them happy, to be honest. Whilst I do read self-indulgent phanfiction, I often read for the plot and how they interact with others. I favour AU's a lot, however I'm always up for reading fanfiction based off of real life events if it's characterised well enough.

Fanfiction has honestly been such a massive influence upon my life, I'd grown very attatched to some authors and universes (not necessarily in the phandom) and I love seeing the authors flourish and grow after following them for so many years (especially when they have aspirations of becoming published and you get to buy their books... that's an amazing feeling).

I remember a few years ago, I read a phanfiction - I think it was called Human. It was an AU but it was honestly so incredible and seriously made me contemplate life. Dan was the main character, it followed a mystery plot, and seriously got you to think about the side characters. It taught me that love isn't perfect, and that bad people don't just senselessly follow bad paths in life. Not even the "good" people can be exempt from doing "bad" things, and sometimes, despite disliking it, the main character - the perspective you're following - can be wrong. As a young person, it honestly gave me some kind of epiphany. I'd seriously recommend it. It's not your usual phanfiction.

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

edit: If any of y'all need convincing to read it, it was 1.3 MILLION reads on wattpad... and I read it back when it was still on tumblr.

[autumnhearth]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

I started watching D&P in November and started reading fic in February, when I was still on the fence about whether they were a romantic couple, but I low key shipped them and wanted to fill my uncertainty (which yes, was a bit distressing) with feels. I've been reading Drarry fanfic for almost half my life, but only wrote my fist fic this past year (some wholesome Scorbus fluff).

Wading through all the tags in the D/P area of AO3 scared me, and I've never read any of the infamous "The [insert word] Fic"s and probably never will (I adore Dan's furry hat too much). I eventually found some more realistic not super kinky or dark stories (and sorry boys, I don't care if you are okay with the daddy kink thing or mpreg, I personally don't want to read it. Not shaming, it just narrows the reading material a lot.)

It was actually through reading a fic that I was made aware of voldy and then the timelines, so in a way phan fic is responsible for me shipping them whole heartedly (that and the loveliness that is 2017). And though I try to find more realistic fic based either on their early timeline or recent travels, I'd like to think I do an okay job at seperating it from reality. I need to utilize the rec threads on here more. I've read lots of great one shots and took a mental health day on Friday to read 'Our Threadbare Lies' in bed, which was wonderful and a very interesting mental exercise with the slight 'AU' aspect.

Dil time! I thoroughly enjoyed the Sims video, though I spoiled myself a bit by peeking on here and Tumblr before I could watch it (it posted as we were heading out the door to watch my nephew and then I had to wait until after dinner and our son's bedtime). I doubt there is anything that hasn't been mentioned, but I'll share my thoughts anyway.

It would not surprise me at this point if Phil read mpreg (Mr. 'Life Finds A Way', and I am more excited to breed two male dragons) and it doesn't surprise me that he mentioned Avengers (how many Thor references has he made over the years?) though I think his statement: "At least that's what I've read on the internet" is vague enough to still be interpreted as either "that's what I've heard" from being on the internet or that he's just happened to come across it, casually, rather than "that's what I actively read and enjoy". Thoughts?

Obviously leaning is good (I was curious where they were both looking and realized Dan's eyes travel all over during game play, so their screen must either be very wide or they have it stretched over two monitors and most of what Phil is focused on is on Dan's side. Love-eyes are lovely (has Phil only recently been staring at Dan with his finger just below his lip? I only noticed it in the last two gif-able videos and it's very nice, even though I know he's just thinking). Possesive paternal Dan and (grand)paternal Phil are wonderful. Dab making friends with the monster under the bed and sibling sympathy from both D&P (nice that they've experienced being the older and younger brother). Tabitha absolutely freaking out and them being fine with it. Comments about the "pollinator". Really everything about the alien baby plot is great. Sign me up for that sweet renovation episode!

And yes, I immediately keyed into the Netflix in bed comment and immediately thought of the tweet and ls correlation (though I don't think I've actually seen/heard it with my own eyes and ears.) Off to do some searching!

I hope my fellow Americans (that's a weird phrase for me to type) have an enjoyable and safe 4th. I'm not particularly patriotic, but it's my dad's birthday so it's always a festive day for our family. I have a red, white and blue themed D&P queue ready on Tumblr culminating in fireworks fan art, because I'm a massive dork.

[iwishiwasacasual]

I used to have a rule that i would never read any kind of f dnp fanfiction because it would make me feel like i was fully in the fandom but then i read the some of the short stuff on nihilist-toothpaste's tumblr and was immediately like "I NEED MORE". so now i regularly read fanfic at like 3am under the cover of darkness where no one can judge me.

it's not really changed how i feel about whether or not "phan is real" (the only thing that could is probably actual confirmation from dnp) but it's just kind of made me sad that i don't think its real.

[ananas]

Re. Phanfiction:

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

Oh no, 31 chapters! I started reading it and the first chapter looks good.. Just my style of writing

[saffarinda]

Re. Phanfiction:

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

Oh no, 31 chapters! I started reading it and the first chapter looks good.. Just my style of writing

I'll see you on the other side! Tell me what you think of it when you're finished! I haven't read it in ages, but I'm seriously interested to see what someone else thinks

[Susanisnotafish]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

I started watching D&P in November and started reading fic in February, when I was still on the fence about whether they were a romantic couple, but I low key shipped them and wanted to fill my uncertainty (which yes, was a bit distressing) with feels. I've been reading Drarry fanfic for almost half my life, but only wrote my fist fic this past year (some wholesome Scorbus fluff).

Wading through all the tags in the D/P area of AO3 scared me, and I've never read any of the infamous "The [insert word] Fic"s and probably never will (I adore Dan's furry hat too much). I eventually found some more realistic not super kinky or dark stories (and sorry boys, I don't care if you are okay with the daddy kink thing or mpreg, I personally don't want to read it. Not shaming, it just narrows the reading material a lot.)

It was actually through reading a fic that I was made aware of voldy and then the timelines, so in a way phan fic is responsible for me shipping them whole heartedly (that and the loveliness that is 2017). And though I try to find more realistic fic based either on their early timeline or recent travels, I'd like to think I do an okay job at seperating it from reality. I need to utilize the rec threads on here more. I've read lots of great one shots and took a mental health day on Friday to read 'Our Threadbare Lies' in bed, which was wonderful and a very interesting mental exercise with the slight 'AU' aspect.

Dil time! I thoroughly enjoyed the Sims video, though I spoiled myself a bit by peeking on here and Tumblr before I could watch it (it posted as we were heading out the door to watch my nephew and then I had to wait until after dinner and our son's bedtime). I doubt there is anything that hasn't been mentioned, but I'll share my thoughts anyway.

It would not surprise me at this point if Phil read mpreg (Mr. 'Life Finds A Way', and I am more excited to breed two male dragons) and it doesn't surprise me that he mentioned Avengers (how many Thor references has he made over the years?) though I think his statement: "At least that's what I've read on the internet" is vague enough to still be interpreted as either "that's what I've heard" from being on the internet or that he's just happened to come across it, casually, rather than "that's what I actively read and enjoy". Thoughts?

I hope my fellow Americans (that's a weird phrase for me to type) have an enjoyable and safe 4th. I'm not particularly patriotic, but it's my dad's birthday so it's always a festive day for our family. I have a red, white and blue themed D&P queue ready on Tumblr culminating in fireworks fan art, because I'm a massive dork.

I do think Phil has read some mpreg! He brings it up a lot! And thanks for reminding me I had a deppy red white and blue photo I wanted to change my twitter icon to today. I defo would have forgotten! Thanks for your thoughts on Phan fic too.

[alittledizzy]

The Phil and mpreg thing (specifically that he referenced the Marvel universe) made me remember that 2012 video they did with Bryony where Dan brings up the fact that he and Phil had been talking about having sex with Thor. Dan is so in the moment and finding it so hilarious he doesn't seem to stop to consider the implication there - that he's telling about a hypothetical he and Phil discussed that had them both on the receptive end of a m/m scenario - but it's obvious from Phil's (uncomfortable) reaction that Phil isn't thrilled about it and he tries to downplay it.

Rewatching the clip (which I'll stick under a spoiler below) makes me truly appreciate how much more comfortable Phil is with himself. He'd definitely joke along with that without even flinching today.

@ 2:05

[xaephan]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

walks in 3 months late with starbucks
I'm probably pretty alone in this, but I tend to actually do fandom pretty backwards. I rarely actually get into a new fandom from the source material, but rather from meta/fanfics. I've followed a few of my favourite authors from fandom to fandom over the years, and even after I get hooked, sometimes I never actually check out the source material, whether it be a movie or a TV show or anything. It's partly due to how I've been spoiled for the entire thing because I've read all some fics, and partly due to how I honestly find (good) fan material much better than most original stuff in terms of character depth, plot, treatment of PoC, etc. (the train wreck that is Teen Wolf, anyone? -cough- Not saying that the tw fandom is particularly good with that stuff either, but man, the show was something else).

Honestly, I pretty much treat fanfic as original novellas/novels that just happen to have character who share similar names (and personality traits) with both other fanfics and the source material.

Due to this, in my mind I always have a huge disconnect between the 'characters' in a fanwork vs. the 'real' people, especially for RPF material. To me, the fourth wall might as well be an entire dome surrounding me and my perception of who they are.

I wouldn't say that fanworks don't have any impact on how I view dnp, but to me, 'phan' is more of a concept I enjoy exploring rather than any real opinions on the real Dan and Phil. I don't think I've explained it very well, but basically I keep my fannish pursuits strictly personal and separate from them as people. I do have opinions on them of course, but in a more general way than specific headcanons.

Re: the Sims vid
I pretty much never find the Sims stuff to be very interesting, and this one was the same. It was cool to see how Dan was so protective of the alien baby and how their treatment of pregnant Tabitha vs. pregnant Dil differed, and there were (of course) some cute moments, but that's about it for me. It makes me want to run and hide when I contemplate dnp spending serious time exploring phandom, but how they're both obviously well-versed in other fandoms is super fascinating for me. Phil's been referencing mpreg on and off for a good while now (so had Dan of course, but it's more surprising from Phil), really makes me wonder how deep in the rabbit hole he's gone

Re: Anthony's vid
I actually subscribed to him after his video about leaving smosh came out, even though I found smosh's brand of humour...not particularly my cup of tea. I was really interested in seeing how it pans out for him, and what kind of content he was going to make. The first video with all the YTers was alright, but the few after that reflected too much of that ol' smosh-humour to be enjoyable for me. I un-subbed after the pokemon thing, but I'm still interested in seeing what kind of collab he did with dnp (or maybe just Dan?).

[opendoor]

Obviously leaning is good (I was curious where they were both looking and realized Dan's eyes travel all over during game play, so their screen must either be very wide or they have it stretched over two monitors and most of what Phil is focused on is on Dan's side. Love-eyes are lovely (has Phil only recently been staring at Dan with his finger just below his lip? I only noticed it in the last two gif-able videos and it's very nice, even though I know he's just thinking).

Phil's been leaning in so much in the latest videos and looking at Dan so much and I keep thinking did they have a conversation about this? Because it is such a clear change.

And yes, I immediately keyed into the Netflix in bed comment and immediately thought of the tweet and ls correlation (though I don't think I've actually seen/heard it with my own eyes and ears.) Off to do some searching!

I was around when the Making the Murderer thing was happening, and I remember thinking about it a lot at the time, because it was a big deal back then, but in the last year or so I clearly completely forgot about it! So it was nice to be reminded. The netflix comment still made me picture them watching tv in bed together though. (Idk how y'all keep your deppy trivia straight, it's impressive).

[Susanisnotafish]

More on Phil and mpreg:

It almost seems like he's desiring starting a family with the many recent mpreg mentions and "abirthingphil" on the end screen. At least they can't blame their landlord for not letting them. But since we haven't had a flat tour they could still claim they need to wait for their forever home.

About the leaning:

They sure weren't as close as usual in the Kpop react vid. Wonder why?

[thephandommenace]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

I've been reading fanfiction (almost always M/M or F/F) since I was 14 or 15 and first got into manga (SasuNaru was my first ship, thanks deviantART).
Now whenever I get into a new fandom, reading fanfiction is like a rite of passage I go through all the same phases: the initial obsession in which I watch every video/episode, feel addicted to the chemistry portrayed by two characters, stare at pictures of them all day and commit them to memory, tentatively search for fanfiction of them when I feel starved for content and long to live vicariously through their chemistry, usually immediately recoil bc it's always weird reading the first one, then I read more and more until it doesn't feel weird anymore or I find actual good ones (and there are sooo many good ones, you just need to know where to look). D&P aren't my first RPF pairing but I always feel initial guilt when I read RPF, which I eventually get over.

Fanfic and shipping helped me realise I was attracted to women as well as men when I was a teenager, but it never affected how I saw the actual relationship of the people I was shipping. I just thought it would be nice if they were together and hoped it would happen in the back of my mind. It was accidentally discovering voldy and then reading the Phan timeline that begun the long spiral of doubting what I knew and starting to think they could actually be together. This all happened after I'd started reading fanfiction. It was evidence and context that changed my mind.

I enjoy reading dizzy's canon writing and I wonder if canon has influenced me into believing more strongly but then, I'd already switched from not believing to believing at that point. Reading something that seems so close to what they'd really say and do does make the lines between fantasy and reality all that more blurry for me.

More on Phil and mpreg:

It almost seems like he's desiring starting a family with the many recent mpreg mentions and "abirthingphil" on the end screen. At least they can't blame their landlord for not letting them. But since we haven't had a flat tour they could still claim they need to wait for their forever home.

About the leaning:

They sure weren't as close as usual in the Kpop react vid. Wonder why?

I really am living for Phil's mpreg mentions. Idk why but it amuses me so much (but also has me like ).

FBE have a reach of 15million (and potentially way more when they react to huge fandoms); I guess Deps would want to keep up their image of close friends to a casual audience and outsiders, while being more relaxed on their own channel.

[000dia000]

Re. Phanfiction:

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

Oh no, 31 chapters! I started reading it and the first chapter looks good.. Just my style of writing

I'll see you on the other side! Tell me what you think of it when you're finished! I haven't read it in ages, but I'm seriously interested to see what someone else thinks

[offtopic]Does anybody know where the author has gone? They have a lot of really good fic,
and so many unfinished. I miss the updates.[/offtopic]

[nephilimcat]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

Shipper here, I don't read phanfiction. I tried a few times but real person fics just aren't for me, they make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I'm generally not much of a fanfiction reader though, only when I'm really interested in a fictional world or ship a non-canon couple or something. I just can't be bothered to sort through all the bad ones to discover the real gems.

[bookfiend]

I have a question for you all while we wait and see if there's a Dan liveshow later.

I've only recently started reading Phan fiction even though I've stanned deppy over a year now, and it got me to wondering whether you all read Phan fiction and when/why you started. Also, what I'm most interested in (since lulls on here usually come back to shipping) do you nonshippers read Phan fiction? I'm curious from both shippers and nonshippers, how does reading Phan fiction or not affect whether you ship it (and by ship it I'm including believing Phan is real).

I ship it, and I'm 98% certain it's real. (The spare 2% is just waiting for the doggo and forever home to make an appearance and push me to 100% convinced tbh).

I've never read Phanfiction though and I don't really plan to. I actually love fanfic in general, I've read too much to be healthy, but i just cannot read RPF, it weirds me out.
Not that I'm going to discourage others for writing about what inspires them. If TV, books and Hollywood can do it with their historical dramas then why not let the ficcers write their hearts out.

[Whommel]

I ship it, and I'm 98% certain it's real. (The spare 2% is just waiting for the doggo and forever home to make an appearance and push me to 100% convinced tbh).

I've never read Phanfiction though and I don't really plan to. I actually love fanfic in general, I've read too much to be healthy, but i just cannot read RPF, it weirds me out.
Not that I'm going to discourage others for writing about what inspires them. If TV, books and Hollywood can do it with their historical dramas then why not let the ficcers write their hearts out.

I don't have much experience with RPF, except a little Chris Colfer. I guess I kinda look at it like this: in the fics Dan and Phil are characters that resemble the real people and share character traits with them. Maybe think parellel timelines/universes. And I'm old school so I like disclaimers first (I started in 2001).

But I guess it must be really strange for them that there are stories about them. They do seem to take it quite well though and also appear to be interested themselves in other fandoms that they may or may not have taken part in themselves. If they had a more negative reaction or didn't understand I would feel bad about it. I don't think I could read or write RPF with people who had a strong negative reaction to it.

I love your live and let live approach to stuff that aren't your thing.

[saffarinda]

Re. Phanfiction:

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

Oh no, 31 chapters! I started reading it and the first chapter looks good.. Just my style of writing

I'll see you on the other side! Tell me what you think of it when you're finished! I haven't read it in ages, but I'm seriously interested to see what someone else thinks

[offtopic]Does anybody know where the author has gone? They have a lot of really good fic,
and so many unfinished. I miss the updates.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]No idea, sadly. You can find a fair few of the completed ones on wattpad or ao3 if you look up parttimestoryteller but that's all :/ It's a horrible thing when you go searching for old fanfictions you loved only to find the authors either deleted them, or deleted their account.[/offtopic]

edit: also dans tweet is so relatable. I'm wearing an oversized long sleeved shirt and just underwear despite the warmth (although it's not too bad today).

[alittledizzy]

I kind of love this kind of tweet; where it's obvious who he's talking about but he's not being specific, he's just leaving the implication out there.

(And obviously before I get half a dozen I wear underwear in front of my platonic roommate responses - this is as much a 'difference in what Dan and Phil are willing to say to each other now as opposed to a few years ago' thing as it is anything else.)

[sparkle]

I kind of love this kind of tweet; where it's obvious who he's talking about but he's not being specific, he's just leaving the implication out there.

(And obviously before I get half a dozen I wear underwear in front of my platonic roommate responses - this is as much a 'difference in what Dan and Phil are willing to say to each other now as opposed to a few years ago' thing as it is anything else.)

I love the idea he's just wearing a hoodie and a bra.

I know he's not... but... a girl can imagine

[onetruetrash]

Re. Phanfiction:

Found it, seriously read it: https://www.wattpad.com/story/7528291-human-phan

Oh no, 31 chapters! I started reading it and the first chapter looks good.. Just my style of writing

I'll see you on the other side! Tell me what you think of it when you're finished! I haven't read it in ages, but I'm seriously interested to see what someone else thinks

[offtopic]Does anybody know where the author has gone? They have a lot of really good fic,
and so many unfinished. I miss the updates.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]No idea, sadly. You can find a fair few of the completed ones on wattpad or ao3 if you look up parttimestoryteller but that's all :/ It's a horrible thing when you go searching for old fanfictions you loved only to find the authors either deleted them, or deleted their account.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]I know, I hate that. I started reading fanfiction for a different fandom nearly 4 years ago and one author was really big at the time. Their fanfiction was really well-written, especially since they were only 13/14 at the time. About a year and a half ago, I noticed all their fanfictions had been deleted, so I messaged them and they said that they were applying to college and they didn't want anyone from the colleges she was applying to to find her old fanfics because they didn't reflect her current writing. (Her real name was indirectly linked to her account.) I understand why, but I'm still sad about it.[/offtopic]