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It was strange, wasn't it? I definitely got the same impression, unfortunately, and though I don't think that was her intention the suggestion that this wouldn't have happened if the others had just said no (in the 'right way', presumably, as April said that she did), removing the responsibility from Toby, was damaging. She also seemed quite hung up on allegations of rape specifically, and questioning details, despite saying that for their accounts 'you could switch my name out for theirs and a lot of it would be true'. I think she was aware of the possibility of facilitating victim blaming and spreading doubt and tried to counter it by repeating that she didn't doubt most of April's story, but it didn't really work and just seemed kind of contradictory, especially when she started questioning April's motives. The video was clearly a really big thing for her, I can't imagine how tough her situation is. Personally whether consent was more coerced than directly violated, and what precisely April's motives might be, I frankly don't care - his general behaviour is abusive from all of their descriptions, and that's enough.human wrote:Jaclynglenn's video is a bit weird. The impression I got was that she blamed April for not being able to say no loud enough? Not sure I like her opinion on all of this but she did date Toby for a while also so I guess it's relevant. I truly hope she is not intending to victim blame here though and that my impression is wrong.
phamnotof wrote:I like my reserved, nerdy awkward weirdos who electroshock their balls in the privacy of their own bedroom with proper safe words and some bloody decorum.
For some reason reading her name really disturbed me and I couldn't figure out why because I was pretty sure I had never seen one of her videos before, and then I realized this girl blamed all of Islam (calling the religion 'particularly violent') for the terrorist attacks in Paris last year on Twitter. Very different subject, but you'll excuse me for not being so sure of her good intentions.human wrote:Jaclynglenn's video is a bit weird. The impression I got was that she blamed April for not being able to say no loud enough? Not sure I like her opinion on all of this but she did date Toby for a while also so I guess it's relevant. I truly hope she is not intending to victim blame here though and that my impression is wrong.
I'm also not counting on it, at least when it comes to Olga because as I said in the other thread; she and Toby were hanging out just a few days ago (they were playing with that virtual reality gaming thing on her snapchat), so they've remained friends over the years. She hasn't acknowledged any of the controversy on Twitter or anything yet, and I doubt she will. I just hope she's not in a bad place with him.Catallena wrote: Anyway if his more high profile ex gfs like iJustine and Olga Kay have had any similar experiences I hope they speak up too, even though I'm not counting on it.
Phil Lester wrote:"I'll rub myself in a mango before I eat a mango."
Anonymousse wrote:Defranco on the topic
I was a big fan of Kate too and this struck a chord with me... funnily enough when I first heard about the allegations I immediately thought of Kate because I remembered her hanging out with him back in her old vlogs. and I remember a lot of people questioned why her Dad flew over to look after her for so long (if this was still around the time she vlogged some of that)Anonymousse wrote:Katers17
https://www.facebook.com/Katers17/posts ... 1500793627
(I used to be a big fan of her so reading this was probably the most shocking...)
We use Occlam's razor in regards of Dan and Phil but this also seems to be the case with Toby.
but he arrived after the accident? so i don't think he really knew what actually went down before he arrived there. And why is Kate's account sounds so much like she didn't want to offend anyone, like she's scared. And why does she have to say that she still loves him and doesn't hate him and doesn't wish him anything bad. While Seth's sounds very... i don't what's the word to describe it, but it's more accusing and guilt tripping her, like 'he was there, he helped her, toby was very concerned about her, toby was worried, toby didn't do anything wrong, toby was good, it's all in her head and she should be grateful towards him and toby'. it just, it screams manipulation to me. He repeatedly said 'Toby was concerned' over and over, like i don't know. I feel very uncomfortable.lionheart wrote:sorry to double post but I've just found Seth's post in relation to Kate's and I'm shocked beyond belief: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9694667480
if anyone followed Kate around the time she shaved her head, this reveals a lot? but he's also sort of accusing Kate of lying about some of her accusations and I'm not even sure what to think
this is true. tbh I'm inclined to believe Kate, but I also believe that there seems to be some holes in both stories - I suppose primarily owing to the fact that Kate didn't want to fully reveal the extent of what happened to her? (in terms of revealing her mental illness, which tbh I'm a bit surprised that Seth felt like it was an ok thing to do to out her like that). it could be that there's been some confusion and they're not exactly talking about the same night, because Seth's talking about a night when her head was already shaved, and in the texts it seems that Kate shaved her head after the main incident with Toby, so maybe it's likely that whatever happened with Toby then sparked the actions that Seth witnessed the day after? idk but it's a heavy story to read either wayyonahime wrote:but he arrived after the accident? so i don't think he really knew what actually went down before he arrived there. And why is Kate's account sounds so much like she didn't want to offend anyone, like she's scared. And why does she have to say that she still loves him and doesn't hate him and doesn't wish him anything bad. While Seth's sounds very... i don't what's the word to describe it, but it's more accusing and guilt tripping her, like 'he was there, he helped her, toby was very concerned about her, toby was worried, toby didn't do anything wrong, toby was good, it's all in her head and she should be grateful towards him and toby'. it just, it screams manipulation to me. He repeatedly said 'Toby was concerned' over and over, like i don't know. I feel very uncomfortable.lionheart wrote:sorry to double post but I've just found Seth's post in relation to Kate's and I'm shocked beyond belief: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9694667480
if anyone followed Kate around the time she shaved her head, this reveals a lot? but he's also sort of accusing Kate of lying about some of her accusations and I'm not even sure what to think
After all of these, Toby and the gang just creeps me a lot. And sure maybe all of the victims are not perfect human being, but that doesn't mean the abusive nature of Toby can be brushed aside just like that. I find it scary and pretty sick that in order for a rape survivor account to even be considered is they need to not do literally anything wrong in their life. And then, after that, they need to present their 'evidence' to the whole world.
In the end, he just wants to shut her up. And maybe shut another women who feel like they could share their experiences with Toby. Like, 'if you tell your experience, i would, in turn, reveal to the whole world how not only that wasn't true, you also did this and this and that, so shut up.'
