Dan & Phil Part 57: Pinky and the Brain

[formlessblob]

I have a lot of physical things like colouring books but here is a link to a list of things you can do online. I recommend the puzzles.
http://i-call-me-lonely.tumblr.com/post ... t-have-any

Oooh thanks ! It looks interesting and there's so many different things ! Definitely going to use some of those links

I'm so sorry. Depression is rough, losing one's pet is just as rough. When I need a distraction, I watch D&P, a guilty pleasure show like Gossip Girl (yes, yes, I know) or animal videos. I also like to play some games to keep my mind occupied, and I tend to have a few things going at once to block out my own thoughts - like tv, computer and my phone all at the same time.
Here's a site I like: https://openpuppies.com/ and a short video that got me through a few anxiety attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpS-G6J_Jz8
I hope you feel better soon.

Thank you, you're so sweet !!
And thanks for all your suggestions, the site and the video made me smile already

definitely isn't everyone's easy fun distraction, but i always gravitate towards dressup games when i need something to zone out to and use to distract me through bad times. this is one of my favourites, but theres loads out there.

Didn't think about this, why not ! Thank you


Put all of those under spoilers to avoid drowning everyone in text, but i'm really grateful for all your quick answers !!

[flarequake]

That was a lovely liveshow, he looked so sweet and cosy (good grief that jumper is expensive) and was so encouraging to everyone in the chat (except the coke group ) It was really interesting hearing all his thoughts on the video and how long he’s been planning it, and how he came to work with the charity. Ribena talk was funny. We have a lot of bottles of cleaning products (plus insect sprays and all sorts, some are very old), enough to cover the top of the washing machine, so their 5 bottles reminded me of that and my mum with her 3-for-2 offers.

[autumnhearth]

I love him.

I could just leave it at that, and am tempted to seeing as I was both a bit late and had to pause a few times, not realizing that it doesn’t actually pause now... but that wouldn’t be very deep.
Honestly, I like how he approached everything in this ls:

*The meds issue sounds quite scary, I’m glad he can laugh a bit about it now.
*Talking about being an ambassador as an on going thing, encouraging others to get involved and all his support to people talking about their concerns with MH were all great.
*Good handling of “that thing” on Thursday.
*I liked how he mentioned PJ and Sophie first, then Marzia as the birthday girl, emphasizing her wholesomeness and hedgehogs and *then* just dropped that he might have a chat with a certain Swedish guy, not mentioning his name. It was a very careful and clever way to approach their social circle with his very aware audience.
*A bit random, but I like how he said Phil bought a golden pig and he bought a moon mirror, it was simple and probably not even intentional in his phrasing, but that golden pig lives/d in a shared space, just sayin.
*While we’re on the topic of expensive taste, while he did look nice in the sweater, it was just a black cable knit... you could buy a handmade one from Ireland made from the wool of an actual black sheep for less money.
*I missed the beginning of the Ribena story, I’m still disappointed about the aspartame, but hey it’s not my body and if I can’t convince my own sister to not consume it or give it her young children then there’s no point getting fussed about two British guys.
*Meeting Phil eight years ago is more wholesome than ‘Hello Internet’, I’m glad we all agree.
*Re: a possible video next week, though I’m not a huge fan, I think the time has never been riper for ISG.
*I was near tears at the end because of his sincere gratefulness for the support of his audience and that he was encouraged to be more open about personal topics in general.

Will definitely be rewatching in full tonight.

[malday]

They're going to meet up with PJ, Sophie, Marzia and her idiotic boyfriend and Dan intends to talk to him about "recent events" (not sure on the wording). I'm glad he didn't just say they're meeting up and that's that.

I'm going to assume he phrased it that way because he finally realized his fans don't like Pewdiepie anymore. But i hope having a talk with him isn't going to bring about some exoneration, since Felix chose to take his channel the way he did on purpose and showed he isn't remorseful at all and his apology was bs.
And, frankly i think Felix is the type of person that would mock and ridicule Dan openly and the fanbase he cultivated would rip Dan and Phil to shreds.

[anime_is_not_cool]

i loved his sweater! high necklines are the only thing that matters, dont @ me

also, while i generally loved dan's video, for me, personally, the most important thing was him talking about medication, especially now that we found out about that week in march. my depression isn't/wasn't clinical and luckily i've never needed antidepressants, but i've had adhd meds since last spring, and damn... dan's stories are really relatable. about finding the right dose - i literally went throught the exact same adventure. besides the dependence/addiction/side effects issue, my adhd is that kind of disorder that can make me completely dysfunctional when unmedicated. and when i haven't taken my meds/accidentally took the wrong dose/drank too much coffee (which doesn't mix well with drugs, and i'm a long-time caffeine addict, so accidents often happen with that) and am not feeling well or being functional, i find it very scary and awkward to explain to even my close friends - not even talking about teachers, bosses, followers.. you just can't say or tweet "they sold me the cheap alternative and i spent a week contemplating if i exist and physically unable to sleep before 7am, sorry i haven't been productive at all lolzor"
i've never before heard anyone actually talking about the side effects, and how much meds can affect you, and dan mentioning medication so casually and normalizing it and ofc knowing that someone i look up to knows what it is like, when most people i know irl don't even try to understand, is... a pretty big thing

btw does anyone else feel like they've now talked about That Korean Movie in like, every ls for the past 2 months? and this was actually the first time i understood what dan was saying about it

[missemma]

Deps are seeing Sophie and PJ this weekend but they chose to film their board game video with Hazel?! Whyyyyy! Do they hate us haha! Playing it with PJ and Sophie would have been so much more fun.

I tried to watch the cup head game but their game play annoyed me slightly. They keep rushing off without each other which means they ultimately keep dying and I found it boring. I am really hormonal so I might try and rewatch it when my mood isn’t so angry but the first level was just so frustrating to me, play together guys then you won’t have to keep replaying the same thing.

[Catallena]

There is absolutely no way Dan is actually having a conversation with Felix about anything - and especially not at Marzia's birthday party, what an awful setting for that it'd be - but I appreciate that he knew fully that there'd be backlash if he hung out with Marzia and Felix without saying anything and wanted to come out ahead of it.

Oh thank the Lord as I am not alone in my pessimism.


A classic pessimist Catallena Original incoming ladies.



So Dan is gonna attempt to educate Felix on why he's a dipshit (probably using less strong language) at a friendly hang out with him and the rest of the Brighton gang for Marzia's birthday. I see people praising Dan for it, and I can kinda see why.. he's a rich white male using his privilege to try and educate another. Yay Dan for not being a passive bystander. But I have thoughts on it and none of them are particularly good. Because when I read this on my timeline I was just like 'Uhm.. who is he doing this for exactly?'

First of all, lmao sweetie don't waste your breath because he does not want to be educated and if he suddenly does listen to you he'll only prove that the only opinions that matter to him are those of other rich white males instead of the countless minorities who have tried to do the same. Like IF he brings it up at all (and like alittledizzy I'm skeptical) I'm predicting Dan is gonna be really inoffensive about it (Phil will run out of the room at this point because yikes @ confrontation), Felix will nod and smile and say 'he totally gets it now and he knows he messed up and he's so sorry about the whole thing blah blah blah'. He'll then compliment Dan on his shirt or smoking his ass at Mario Kart or something, Dan will go all 'uwu senpai ' and that'll be it.

But let's go back to 'who is he doing this for?' because imo the answer is himself. If Dan was really about the educating thing, he's picking the wrong moment (should've been done when it happened and not a birthday party). He knows fans and antis alike will drag their asses if they hang out with Felix again and never acknowledge that he is problematic, and Dan does actually have conscience so he probably feels a bit guilty and conflicted about it. But Depz are never gonna break with Felix either, especially not when you got PJ in the mix also whom they've been close friends with for ages (especially with Phil). Kings of being relatable, that's what I keep doing when a kpop fave fucks up. So to clear his conscience and get us off his back he'll educate him. Or so he says, again I really don't think we're getting more from that than a half hearted attempt at it.

So while I kinda get the praise Dan gets from fans, I'm also a little surprised at the easy satisfaction of some people? Giving him some props for not completely ignoring the issue is really as far as I can go, and even then it's like 'why didn't you do that when it mattered?' and it's obvious to me he has selfish motives for it.

[DatCog]

Just spotted this on Twitter from Hector...awww

[alittledizzy]

Timestamps later, for now just a list of thoughts since I had many of them.

- His cozy jumper is a mood, his life right now is a warm mood. This makes me so happy to hear, it's so gratifying that this video was a good experience for him because I know it could have easily gone badly and I'm sure beforehand he was envisioning all the ways it might.
- I appreciate his honesty in saying that he wants to help the world because helping the world makes him feel good. There's definitely a duality to working with charity where you feel that boost from knowing you're also making someone else's life better, and I think that's completely warranted and okay.
- He mentions anxiety alongside depression, which makes me wonder if part of what he feels more confident talking about from now on will include other areas of mental health - since he's mentioned anxiety and agoraphobia before, it wouldn't be surprising to me.
- Gym rat Dan dreams are shattered; it seems like most of the exercise he does is stuff he does in the apartment. I'm sure the walks/jogs are part of that seven hours weekly training as well.
- "phil bought a golden pig, i bought a moon mirror. that's us." Something about this is just fascinating to me. What's the connection between the gold pig and the moon mirror? Where IS the golden pig, is it also in the bedroom somewhere or has it been spotted elsewhere in the flat?
- His comments on the game definitely confirm that they just intend on it being announced as it hits shelves. I guess kinda sucks for them that the plan didn't work but it also seems poorly executed. I don't think the gaming company was used to having celebrity-made games that build their own hype.
- Yes to baking video, yes to spooky week, maybe a normal Dan video first, yes to pinof at it's normal time - I can definitely feel how good a mood Dan is in if he's willingly committing to all of these things. (Okay, a half-commitment to the normal Dan video over the weekend.)
- They're hanging out with PJ and Sophie this weekend - do PJ and Sophie still live in the same flat? The one with the cozy little bed above PJ's office space? Nothing gives me more joy than imagining Dan and Phil tucking in together up there. As far as Dan's comments on Felix - no, I don't think he'll have that convo and especially not at something meant to be celebratory. But I do think that Dan wanted to put it out there clearly that he doesn't approve of Felix and I'm glad he did, even if it was a bit self-preservation motivated. It's also definitely in his best interest to have told us exactly what they were doing and when so that no one was thrown when group pics inevitably get posted.
- Eight years of dinof/hello internet, which we should forget, and almost eight years since he met Phil, which is wholesome. Oh, Dan. I'm so full of affection for him right now. This whole liveshow, that's the overriding theme for me: wholesome and warm.
- He mentions the red patch and little streak of red he gets on the other side of his face. I'm quite glad he's not insecure abut that and for some reason I love him mentioning it with the sort of 'shrug' type of voice.
- Just shy of forty minute liveshow, to me this basically confirms he's doing the same thing Phil's done and bringing his liveshow time down about ten to twenty minutes off what it used to be. It went from the full hour in late July, then we had a 53 minute one, then a 33 minute one, a 30 minute one, two 48 minute ones, and last week and this week were both 39. I feel like he's gonna even out at about the 40ish mark somewhere. Phil's are a consistent 40-45 minutes but he also started out earlier in the year making them 40-50.

[aleanna]

As if I couldn't relate to Dan more...

A few years ago, I went off my antidepressants (the same one Dan was taking) without the guidance of a doctor. It was a month of absolute hell. I constantly felt as if I was in a dream. I had hot flashes and cold flashes. Just the thought of eating made me sick.

Withdrawal is a bitch.

I'm so happy that he made it through, and I hope that people take his advice and DON'T LET YOUR MEDS LAPSE!!!

Other than that, that was a lovely liveshow. His sweater look so comfy and he looked so good.

[whelpkeeper]

The culmination point, the end of a endlessly long wait, a lifetime's waiting in perpetual yearning and so it all comes to one stunning, final conclusion - "That week in March"

I don't know why I cared so much actually lol, but I'm the kind of person who hates not knowing things, so I couldn't take the suspense any longer

I figured it would probably something akin to him going off meds or having a rough time with his depression though, after seeing last week's live show and video. But now I can finally sleep easy again, contended in another myserty revealed.

[ijustwantdeath]

i'm really disappointed in dan for hanging out with felix. all his talk on being progressive and he does this. by saying "he'll have a talk" it only makes the situation worse because it makes it look like felix just "made a mistake" and is capable of redemption, as if his entire career isn't built on rape jokes and he doesn't still throw around the n word when the camera is off. Felix chose the anti-sjw, alt-right path consciously.

Like IF he brings it up at all (and like alittledizzy I'm skeptical) I'm predicting Dan is gonna be really inoffensive about it (Phil will run out of the room at this point because yikes @ confrontation), Felix will nod and smile and say 'he totally gets it now and he knows he messed up and he's so sorry about the whole thing blah blah blah'. He'll then compliment Dan on his shirt or smoking his ass at Mario Kart or something, Dan will go all 'uwu senpai ' and that'll be it.

and you're right @catellena. i'm sure this is exactly how this conversation will play out. dan's not confrontational. this is just damage control. he's just doing this to justify it to himself and his audience. i'm actually a bit shook by his hypocrisy, he shuns shane and onision and crabstickz but i guess morality goes out the window when it's the biggest youtuber on the platform. I was so proud of him this whole week with the mental health video and his vulnerability but this is just a fucking emotional roller coaster.

[alch]

I groaned really loudly when i heard that Dan was doing something with Felix and Marzia, but luckily he actually acknowledged what Felix did? That's pretty ok I guess.
Though, I agree that Felix really doesn't seem like one to care much if Dan tells him anything about why his actions were wrong. It's been so long since it happened he'll probably be confused as to why Dan's bringing it up.

That week in March sounds pretty awful, I'm glad he got through that.

[onetruetrash]

i'm actually a bit shook by his hypocrisy, he shuns shane and onision and crabstickz but i guess morality goes out the window when it's the biggest youtuber on the platform.

Wait, when has he ever shamed crabstickz? (Not saying that never happened, I just want the tea) And to be fair, as much as I dislike Felix, Shane and Onision were directly affecting Dan while Felix is not. Not saying it makes it right, but that's not a fair comparison.

[bookfiend]

About their friendship with Felix - Dan and Phil seem a lot more forgiving then I could ever be. Especially as his actions will have inadvertently affected their livelihoods.

A lot of YouTube seems to be furious with him. His comments were offensive, racist and have been a big factor as to why the Adpocalypse happened and is still happening. (Just in case anyone isn't in the know and wants info about the apocalypse on YouTube atm) He hurt and upset a lot of people with his racism and his actions have had a knock on affect for the livelihoods of thousands of content creators on Youtube. He is unfortunately the face of YouTube, it's biggest success story, so when mass media got wind of his offensive comments right after they found ads on a video linked to terrorism the advertisers panicked and the adpocalypse was born. Demonetising anything not deemed "ad friendly". Some channels particularly gaming, history, lgbt+ channels or channels regularly adressing social issues etc have been affected the worst. Some smaller channels have been financially ruined by this.

Part of this is YouTube's fault for not removing problem channels and instead relying on an algorithm to fix their problems, but on the other hand Felix has proven again that he's a goddamn liability and I agree with others that you don't yell a word like that in the heat of the moment if it's not already a part of your vocabulary. He's not a man who wants to learn from his actions and I won't be surprised if it happens again. To be honest, I would not be sad if he were banned from the platform but YouTube will never have the balls to do it as then his 40mil sub count would move permenantly to Twitch.

I'm genuinely curious as to how much this has all been affecting Dan and Phil though. Especially as they're not the only gaming channel that have suddenly, coincidently started gaming livestreams in the last few months to try and counteract the losses.
At least they don't have to worry about having more than 10,000 followers before they can look to appeal a video being demonitised. But I was watching a guy who stated that if a video is flagged and not appealed quickly enough then you've lost the majority of your earnings. A video makes the most money within the first 48 hours it's uploaded.
And I wonder how Dan and Phil's older videos are fairing as you need at least 1000 views within the last 7 days before YouTube will even look at it. So older vids that may have been blocked for whatever reason (horror and gore in spooky week/dan's potty mouth/ordinary video game violence/a silly crude joke/social issues being mentioned/the list goes on) may be permenantly demonetised and ad revenue from the rewatches lost.

I'm surprised they are spending time with him again, and I'm not convinced Dan's actually going to have words with Felix. Though I get he's probably saying it so the fans don't tear him to shreds over it. And it will be Dan that gets the brunt of it even if both he and Phil go.

It is what it is unfortunately, but I understand people are feeling hurt and upset by this and it's perfectly valid to feel that way. Don't let people tell you otherwise. I'll go back to lurking in my cave now.

[fancy_nancy]

PJ and Sophie are really close to Felix and Marzia, aren't they? and D&P are close to PJ and Sophie, right? maybe they just want to fit in or they're invited and they feel like it would be rude to not go. I hate Felix as much as everyone else, honestly I'm trying to justify deps actions not Felix

[nigel ratburn]

*deep sigh*

i agree that it's highly unlikely that dan will actually say anything substantial to felix (especially given the occasion) and that fact makes me really, really disappointed. you don't get to act all woke to get pats on the back and so people in your livechat can call you "social justice dad uwu" and then voluntarily associate with racist pieces of garbage in a personal setting.

i get that it can be awkward and anxiety-inducing to confront people, especially given how powerful felix's fanbase has shown itself to be and their relationship with pj, but good god, this is like the seventeenth time he's shown his ignorant ass publicly and caused everyone else on the platform to suffer, and you're still gonna visit him and act chummy? if you don't want to get attacked, you could also, i don't know, just not talk about or to him ever again, which is the route i thought they were heading down. the fact that his bullshit isn't a dealbreaker to them (or anyone, for that matter) in associating with him genuinely confounds me. the more i think about it, the more it seems likely that they're just going because they don't want to be rude and decline a bday party invite, but it still bothers me.

if deppy want to prove me wrong about all of this and call him out for his shit i would be perfectly happy, but i'm not holding my breath.

it's a shame, too, because it really was a lovely liveshow besides that, but now this is all i can focus on.

[dailybooth]

lol I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who's first response to Dan talking about ~confronting~ Felix was "ya right"

I get why theyre going tho, they're friends with PJ & Soph and seem quite fond of Marzia. It's like when you go to a family reunion and think you're not gonna let any of your old relatives make bigoted comments this time.

[The thing I don't get is why PJ & Soph still associate with Felix. Honestly I used to adore PJ, but the fact that he sticks by Felix's annoying, racist ass drives me nuts and I can barely watch his videos anymore :/]

[parallel]

Quite honestly, I couldn't give less shits about Felix. But the fact that Dan would lie about confronting him (because lbr, he won't) has put me in a bit of an eh mood. I'm not surprised, because I think that they would be the kind of people to lie to keep their reputation, but I'm still unhappy about it. Unless Dan will prove us wrong and actually say something, in which case I'll take this back.

[onetruetrash]

Dan has been pleasantly surprising me lately, so maybe he'll actually come through, but I doubt it. Every Youtuber will bow down to Felix and Dan and Phil are no exception.

[rizzo]

I loved the live show for every reason everyone already listed. Dan is just glowing these days and I just... love him so muh-huh-huuuuch.

- They're hanging out with PJ and Sophie this weekend - do PJ and Sophie still live in the same flat? The one with the cozy little bed above PJ's office space? Nothing gives me more joy than imagining Dan and Phil tucking in together up there. As far as Dan's comments on Felix - no, I don't think he'll have that convo and especially not at something meant to be celebratory. But I do think that Dan wanted to put it out there clearly that he doesn't approve of Felix and I'm glad he did, even if it was a bit self-preservation motivated. It's also definitely in his best interest to have told us exactly what they were doing and when so that no one was thrown when group pics inevitably get posted.

This was my immediate thought as well. There's no way he's going to have any kind of "chat" with Felix... He's just getting ahead of people's protest when they see the 2 together.

The reality is that Dan and Phil are 1 degree of friendship from Felix and, frankly, probably get along with Felix and Marzia pretty well. I'm sure the topic of Felix's actions/behavior/racism will be brought up at some point amongst them, but it's also just a party? One with casual friends I never really expected D&P to just... drop.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, but basically what I'm saying is that I expect them to still occasionally see each other... just probably not collab.

- Just shy of forty minute liveshow, to me this basically confirms he's doing the same thing Phil's done and bringing his liveshow time down about ten to twenty minutes off what it used to be. It went from the full hour in late July, then we had a 53 minute one, then a 33 minute one, a 30 minute one, two 48 minute ones, and last week and this week were both 39. I feel like he's gonna even out at about the 40ish mark somewhere. Phil's are a consistent 40-45 minutes but he also started out earlier in the year making them 40-50.

I'm just gonna grumble bitterly about this in the hopes that it magically lengthens the live-shows after GBBO ends. Come on now, Dan. Those last 20 minutes fund your Yeezy addiction.

Just spotted this on Twitter from Hector...awww

This made me feel weirdly emotional. :')

[pastelspectre]

i loved this liveshow! tbh i completely missed the comment where dan said he would confront felix. i am very sad that dan had withdrawal from his antidepressants; i can completely relate. i have been off mine since i was forced to go cold turkey when i lost my insurance sadly. :/

[secretagentphan]

That was such a nice liveshow! I agree with everything you guys said about the Felix situation.. I mean like I get that it must be super awkward to be somewhat friendly with someone and have them do messed up racist crap publicly when you’re not hanging out with them so I can appreciate that but that doesn’t make them continuing the relationship okay.

I’m SO relieved I wasn’t the only one extremely emotionally affected by Dan’s video. It put me in a weird mental state for days which was kinda awful but I did a lot of self reflecting on my own mental health so I guess it was a good thing? Like I knew I had issues before this video but it really made me wish I could get help and encouraged me to tell people? I’ve never been that affected by any youtube videos never mind a dani snot on fire video so it was wild. I’m not even sure why it got to me, I guess it was too real and similar to things I am not able to verbalize yet?

It completely sucks Dan was going through withdrawal for the week(s?) in March. I have never taken medicine like that but I can definitely relate to being able to laugh about horrible stuff that happens to me when it’s all over. I remember laughing to my friend last year when I got diagnosed with mono. I had it for like two months before going to the doctors because I couldn’t tell the difference between being horribly lethargic and dead from mono and the state I’m used to from being depressed. Needless to say he was horrified that I was laughing about this.

[liola]

I don't quite agree with the negativity re Dan and Felix. I think we all have people in our lives that have wrong opinions and act badly on them. It's better to try and make them understand than shut them out and keep them going in their ignorance.

I don't really think they're super chammy with each other but I do think they have at least somewhat of a honest friendly relationship that Dan can have a talk to Felix about the way he's acting without Felix turning into a devil and unleashing his fanbase to target Dan and Phil. I think he is an idiot but I actually don't think he's the devil himself, so I have hope that the people around him like Marzia and PJ have already told him off for his awful behaviour. I think a lot of people interpreted Dan's comment as him intending to attact Felix but I took his comment first of all as acknowledging what Felix did wrong, disagreeing with it and letting his own audience know he hopes to do something good.

I also doubt he's going to do like a toast for Marzia's bday and segway into why her boyfriend is an asshole, but I think they will have plenty of time to hang out and chat of nothing and everything and probably talk about it. It doesn't have to be an intervention, friends talk about uncomfortable things all the time after all

[chiccola]

I'm rewatching Phil's old video with fortune telling and when he's reading the 2017 card the "letting go of past pain" line comes up, and Phil is just so happy and excited about it...
It makes even more sense now with the context of Dan's MH video and I'm so emotional about it
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