Dan & Phil Part 68: The Quiffening

[blackdenim]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? I understand now thanks to people on this forum kindly explaining, that being a furry isn't just a sexual thing, but there's still quite an intimate element to it. I don't feel the need personally to share with my friends, colleagues, family and/or online followers (all of whom would be watching Dan's videos/reading his tweets potentially) any kinks I might have, or any kind of intimate activities I might engage in with my partner - even non-sexual ones. And I assume most other people would feel the same.

So why do you think Dan is different? Imagine his grandma asking him over Easter lunch what a fursona is and why he needs to choose one because she'd seen that tweet - I can't think of anything more awkward!

However I appreciate I'm still really uninformed about this stuff and am hoping someone else can weigh in!

[sparkle]

de-lurking with barely anything useful to say. I bought some of Dans merch because I NEEDED it.

Phil's quiff nearly caused me to fall down an escalator at Manchester Airport, which would have been a mighty fine way to die.

I'm torn on Dan being a furry, I'm voting him as a panda

[fancybum]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? I understand now thanks to people on this forum kindly explaining, that being a furry isn't just a sexual thing, but there's still quite an intimate element to it. I don't feel the need personally to share with my friends, colleagues, family and/or online followers (all of whom would be watching Dan's videos/reading his tweets potentially) any kinks I might have, or any kind of intimate activities I might engage in with my partner - even non-sexual ones. And I assume most other people would feel the same.

So why do you think Dan is different? Imagine his grandma asking him over Easter lunch what a fursona is and why he needs to choose one because she'd seen that tweet - I can't think of anything more awkward!

However I appreciate I'm still really uninformed about this stuff and am hoping someone else can weigh in!

I also don't know enough to care one way or another, but if it's not strictly a sexual kink, then I don't see what's so (potentially?) embarrassing about it? Like it's just another niche or internetty interest like being super into anime (for example, idk) or whatever. I think he's fine joking about it so openly because it's a meme. Like it's not exactly a defining aspect of his personality, it's just another thing he's interested in (On Some Level) that the internet openly mocks. So while he's fine kind of joining in on that mocking from a place of affection (or just a personal place of putting himself in that role in the joke, it's not meant or framed as mocking of others only), he does it while in the same breath questioning why it's such a thing to be mocked, if that makes sense (I mean other people basically already said this, but better). I kind of get the vibe that he's drawn to it in whatever way but doesn't quite know how much he relates to actually Being a furry. Like he likes enough ~furry things, but at what point does that qualify you as an Actual card-carrying Furry™, rather than somebody who just enjoys x and y? Is Furry Questioning a thing? I'll stop talking

(but basically I think that as much of a joke as it is online, Dan doesn't actually feel ashamed about it and doesn't feel the need to be defensive in the way he may be about other things because the stakes of admitting to it are pretty low in the grand scheme of things. Either way, almost a decade of 'jokes' about it is pretty committed for something he isn't "really" interested in..)

[LtrllySusan]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? [...]

I am wondering about that too. After seeing his tweet (and writing a post here while rolling my eyes), I realised that the reason it's going on my nerves is because I don't know why he is doing it - and what he wants us to do. Does he want us to laught at it? Should we pick it up and make jokes about it? Is he looking for reassurance? Is he trying to represent a small community and raise awareness about possible misconceptions?

As we've established, he seems to have certain expectations regarding his audience's reaction to things. Just recently, we took an (alleged) joke/meme reference and made something big of it, and he didn't like that at all.
I don't wanna make him uncomfortable by reacting wrong to all that furry stuff. So what does he want from us?

[Amiaw]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? [...]

I am wondering about that too. After seeing his tweet (and writing a post here while rolling my eyes), I realised that the reason it's going on my nerves is because I don't know why he is doing it - and what he wants us to do. Does he want us to laught at it? Should we pick it up and make jokes about it? Is he looking for reassurance? Is he trying to represent a small community and raise awareness about possible misconceptions?

As we've established, he seems to have certain expectations regarding his audience's reaction to things. Just recently, we took an (alleged) joke/meme reference and made something big of it, and he didn't like that at all.
I don't wanna make him uncomfortable by reacting wrong to all that furry stuff. So what does he want from us?

This isn't directed at anyone but some people put way too much weight on Dan's words. Sometimes a joke is just a joke and unless Dan says otherwise it's probably best to just view this tweet that way. Until Dan makes a definitive statement about something and qualifies it with a "yes, I'm serious" then I'm going to just assume that Dan is being Dan. No use in assigning meaning to the boy that cries wolf every time he broaches a subject.

[Stakhanov]

My opinion: He just wants us to take it as a joke. That's usually what he wants us to take things as, even if he would secretly also have other motivations like emotional support. I hadn't really given much consideration to it, but if he were to be a real furry and would be "subtly" (what exactly about it would be subtle though lol) trying to clue us in. His gradma and the rest of his family would be free to read in. It just makes it even more implausible that he would somehow be trying to share this as some sort of personal struggle. Involving an audience of millions while simultaneously fearing judgment of that audience makes no sense to me. I feel he would just not say anything.

It's not a sexual kink, but definitely something of a taboo. I don't think i would share it with anyone other than people i know have similar interest. Outside of the internet, it's also not really that well known an interest.
Lol i remember having to explain it twice now, once to a friend who is generally aware of "meme culture" but hadn't been exposed to the concept yet, and once to a coworker (yes we quite an open atmosphere at work). In both cases the convo went a bit like this and i was taken aback and felt uncomfortable explaining it, sexual kink or not:

*i make some reference to furries*

person: "What's a furry?"
me: "Euh... you haven't you heard of it?" *painful silence as my hope that i won't have to get into it slowly fades away*

person: "No"

me: "Well it's this thing where people dress up in animal suits and they go to conventions as their 'favorite animal', an animal which they feel represents their true self and which they identify with" *immediately trying to steer the conversation to the safest grounds possible and making mental notes to avoid using terms like 'yiffing' or 'mersuits' at all costs.

person: "Why do they do that? Is it like a party with a dressing theme?"

me: *repressing nervous laughter* "Sort of. I don't really know much about it, it's sort of a running joke you often see things about on the internet"

and that's when you hit the escape button hard and can start trying to change the subject. The thing is, at least from my pov, that it is kind of a weird form of anthropomorphism for me - and I don't intend to put that in a harsh or judging way, and I can't really understand why somebody feels that way about identifying with animal (characteristics). I've typed out my thoughts on this before on this forum. DAMN YOU DAN you've sure tickled my innate interest in (this) subculture(s) again.
Dan is an internet-dwelling nerd who has probably been browsing the 4-chan and others 'dank internet swamps' since they got popular among gamers and nerds ages ago. This furdom "meme" has been around since 200x and is still going strong. The visibility and popularity of the people who really get involved with it has kind of gone up in step (or is feeding it in the first place). I remember seeing stats about how the amount and attendance rate of furry conventions have skyrocketed the last decade or so.

For every genuine self-identifying furry out there though, I still feel like there's a multitude of people who don't genuinely partake but are just interested in some aspects of it, and who won't stop liking to crack jokes about it or ponder about it. I don't think we'll ever get any sort of clear resolution from Dan and how he wishes us to see all this/ how he sees this ...
But chances imo are much greater that he's just being a bit of a cheeky bugger than a self-tortured/ enthusiastic furry seeking out other furries...

[malday]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? [...]

I am wondering about that too. After seeing his tweet (and writing a post here while rolling my eyes), I realised that the reason it's going on my nerves is because I don't know why he is doing it - and what he wants us to do. Does he want us to laught at it? Should we pick it up and make jokes about it? Is he looking for reassurance? Is he trying to represent a small community and raise awareness about possible misconceptions?

As we've established, he seems to have certain expectations regarding his audience's reaction to things. Just recently, we took an (alleged) joke/meme reference and made something big of it, and he didn't like that at all.
I don't wanna make him uncomfortable by reacting wrong to all that furry stuff. So what does he want from us?

This isn't directed at anyone but some people put way too much weight on Dan's words. Sometimes a joke is just a joke and unless Dan says otherwise it's probably best to just view this tweet that way. Until Dan makes a definitive statement about something and qualifies it with a "yes, I'm serious" then I'm going to just assume that Dan is being Dan. No use in assigning meaning to the boy that cries wolf every time he broaches a subject.

Yeah, regardless if he's actually into furry things or not, that tweet was just a typical twitter shitpost. He doesn't seem to have a problem with people joking about it, judging by the comment he's pinned on his truth video.

[alittledizzy]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? [...]

I am wondering about that too. After seeing his tweet (and writing a post here while rolling my eyes), I realised that the reason it's going on my nerves is because I don't know why he is doing it - and what he wants us to do. Does he want us to laught at it? Should we pick it up and make jokes about it? Is he looking for reassurance? Is he trying to represent a small community and raise awareness about possible misconceptions?

As we've established, he seems to have certain expectations regarding his audience's reaction to things. Just recently, we took an (alleged) joke/meme reference and made something big of it, and he didn't like that at all.
I don't wanna make him uncomfortable by reacting wrong to all that furry stuff. So what does he want from us?

This isn't directed at anyone but some people put way too much weight on Dan's words. Sometimes a joke is just a joke and unless Dan says otherwise it's probably best to just view this tweet that way. Until Dan makes a definitive statement about something and qualifies it with a "yes, I'm serious" then I'm going to just assume that Dan is being Dan. No use in assigning meaning to the boy that cries wolf every time he broaches a subject.

Yeah, regardless if he's actually into furry things or not, that tweet was just a typical twitter shitpost. He doesn't seem to have a problem with people joking about it, judging by the comment he's pinned on his truth video.

The tweet was a twitter shitpost, but the conversation right now is about more than the tweet. It's okay for shitpost-y things to spark real conversation, especially something with as long as extensive a history out there to discuss as Dan (and Phil) and furry mentions.

[malday]

A question re: Dan's furry mentions - If he is one (I don't have an opinion/care either way but just out of curiosity), why do you think he would be so determined to share it with all of us? [...]

I am wondering about that too. After seeing his tweet (and writing a post here while rolling my eyes), I realised that the reason it's going on my nerves is because I don't know why he is doing it - and what he wants us to do. Does he want us to laught at it? Should we pick it up and make jokes about it? Is he looking for reassurance? Is he trying to represent a small community and raise awareness about possible misconceptions?

As we've established, he seems to have certain expectations regarding his audience's reaction to things. Just recently, we took an (alleged) joke/meme reference and made something big of it, and he didn't like that at all.
I don't wanna make him uncomfortable by reacting wrong to all that furry stuff. So what does he want from us?

This isn't directed at anyone but some people put way too much weight on Dan's words. Sometimes a joke is just a joke and unless Dan says otherwise it's probably best to just view this tweet that way. Until Dan makes a definitive statement about something and qualifies it with a "yes, I'm serious" then I'm going to just assume that Dan is being Dan. No use in assigning meaning to the boy that cries wolf every time he broaches a subject.

Yeah, regardless if he's actually into furry things or not, that tweet was just a typical twitter shitpost. He doesn't seem to have a problem with people joking about it, judging by the comment he's pinned on his truth video.

The tweet was a twitter shitpost, but the conversation right now is about more than the tweet. It's okay for shitpost-y things to spark real conversation, especially something with as long as extensive a history out there to discuss as Dan (and Phil) and furry mentions.

Yes, of course. I was trying to say i don't think people should be worried about joking about it or walk on eggshells like they did after his last video.

[wiccamoody]

Shitty Watercolour is at it again with a wonderful rendition of Dan's tweet.

[knq]

they've taken both streams from last night (and i think an additional one unless i'm remembering things wrong) down now, which was to be expected.

and just for some extra context, none of the dnp mentions were unprompted as far as i can remember and there were more questions/comments about them in the chat that they didn't reply to. it's probably tiring both for dnp that people comment about them and for other people to be asked about them all the time.

I was expecting the d&p mentions to be prompted and what surprised me is that they actually weren't, at least at first.

First video, Chels says that the only reason they'd have to take down a video is if they 'said something bad about dan and phil' (because of their fans) and Jimmy seems surprised that she mentions them. 'I couldn't feel more ambivalent about either of those two people' also wasn't prompted by the chat.

The question about d&p being gay was genuinely the first time they'd been mentioned in the chat. Also the same person asked if Jim had a thing with Dan, and Chels was like 'how dare you imply that my Jimmy...' which I laughed at. Isn't she the same person who said 'when has Dan ever made a joke?' I can't decide if I find her more funny than rude or vice versa. I guess that's the appeal?

The second video she says again the only reason they would have to delete (or wouldn't save the livestream for rewatching) is if they said something bad about dan and phil. Again unprompted. After that they did get a few people asking about d&p. But really at that point she's brought it upon herself.

Also. Who are these two? All I got from drunk them is that Jimmy is on the telly, Chels hates her job, and they met on a boat.

Am I being OT now that the thread has moved to furry discussion? If so I am sorry!

[autumnhearth]

Ah love the art! I’m at a competition right now so I can’t chime in as much as I would like to. I personally think both the boys are on the furry spectrum (it’s not all about fur suits and conventions). Glad to see the koala in there, as that’s one I was thinking about for Dan last night since they smell good (don’t “stink”) and it a lot. I think red panda (aka cat-bear or bear-cat) would be great for one of them (though Phil would likely be a fox or feline). Great Pandas just don’t have enough sex, but if he wants a nerdy bear, there’s always the Spectacled Bear. I was looking at other canidae, there’s some joke to be found in suggesting Dhole and Hoary Fox

[so_cheesy]

To me, Dan’s furry thing is like Seth Everman’s obsession with Bowser. It’s a bit quirky but ultimately, harmless and IMHO it is being used as a tool to deflect more sensitive topics. Just remember his diss track:

“What the fuck even is your sexuality?
It's hard to put you in a box when you keep it so blurry (what is it)
I think it's just to hide that you're secretly a furry”

When people are making conspiracy theories about your private life all the time, it might be a defense mechanism to suggest them something else to speculate about.

[knq]

Does a furry have to have fur? I want to suggest blob fish. Dan said the blob fish was him when he gave it to Phil, no? Probably just the self-deprecating side of him, though, since it was described as "Devoid of any muscles, hence the globulous physique" and "A cuddly reminder that things could always be worse."

[wiccamoody]

Also. Who are these two? All I got from drunk them is that Jimmy is on the telly, Chels hates her job, and they met on a boat.

Am I being OT now that the thread has moved to furry discussion? If so I am sorry!

If you're talking about something related to dnp, it's never off-topic, even if the discussion around it has seemingly 'moved on'. So no need to apologize!

And to answer your other question, Jimmy is a youtuber (we have a thread for him here. I recommend checking it out as he's really quite lovely, but I may be biased in saying that), but he's a TV and radio presenter as his day job. He also went to uni with Phil, though in the year below him. Chels used to do youtube, though I'm not entirely sure what she gets up to now, but that's really the all relevant context for her mentions of dnp.

[ratlad]

i think if dan is into the furry community, he doesn't mind people joking about it with him,
im sure he can handle that.
honestly i think his fursona could be either a bunny or a raccoon. for phil, i think a red panda or fox. idk about him being a lion anymore since I don't see that much of his branding anymore.
red panda and raccoon seem cute together and totally fit DnP's personalities lol.
(if this seems like ive personally put a lot of thought into this, it's because i totally have and i am not ashamed)

[starwatersong]

To me, Dan’s furry thing is like Seth Everman’s obsession with Bowser. It’s a bit quirky but ultimately, harmless and IMHO it is being used as a tool to deflect more sensitive topics. Just remember his diss track:

“What the fuck even is your sexuality?
It's hard to put you in a box when you keep it so blurry (what is it)
I think it's just to hide that you're secretly a furry”

When people are making conspiracy theories about your private life all the time, it might be a defense mechanism to suggest them something else to speculate about.

Totally agree with this.

I know Dan often makes jokes about stuff he really is interested in, but he often sounds defensive or follows it up with a higher pitched laugh (see his last ls).

He’s not the only YouTuber to talk about furries— Jacksfilms talks a lot about furries as well (love me some Jacksfilms, but he’s not always the nicest on the topic).

I appreciate the fact that both Dan and Phil are a little more respectful, though.

And I do believe Dan both doesn’t know what what animal truly embodies him. And that he is curious what other people think he is.

[alittledizzy]

Some current event topical likes from Dan and Phil on twitter today...

Dan:

Phil:

[wiccamoody]

Some current event topical likes from Dan and Phil on twitter today...

Dan:

Phil:

Dan just retweeted this as well

[blackdenim]

Thanks everyone for insightful and interesting replies to my question (as always!). I suppose I was wondering if 'coming out' as a furry was a common thing, and if so, would trying to do it to us on the internet be helping Dan to 'live his truth', because I can't see any other point to sharing the info tbh. Everyone's answers brought out some interesting POVs! (although ultimately I still don't care if he's a furry or not as long as he's happy!)

[ratlad]

im glad they didn't upload on this occasion tbh.
I'm very emotional about this..
a shooting happened in my small town of Canada 3 summers ago and it's terrifying to think even my country, with stricter gun laws than America, still can have shootings. it's even more scary that shootings happen in America every other week.

[autumnhearth]

To me, Dan’s furry thing is like Seth Everman’s obsession with Bowser. It’s a bit quirky but ultimately, harmless and IMHO it is being used as a tool to deflect more sensitive topics. Just remember his diss track:

“What the fuck even is your sexuality?
It's hard to put you in a box when you keep it so blurry (what is it)
I think it's just to hide that you're secretly a furry”

When people are making conspiracy theories about your private life all the time, it might be a defense mechanism to suggest them something else to speculate about.

See I do agree that ‘I think it’s just to hide that you’re secretly a furry’ could be analogy for ‘to hide that you’re secretly in a relationship with Phil’, but the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

I second @ratlad with the adorable Red Panda and Racoon combo. Dan would probably object to being a racoon on some grounds, but it’s got the right color scheme, nice full bushy striped tale, dark eyes and s :number1:

[pearshaped34]

Off topic but I just decided to re-watch some the the radio stuff and have only just now realized that Tahani in The Good Place is played by Jameela Jamil the woman who used to do the chart show before Dan and Phil's show and compare them to celebrity couples and my mind is blown.
Have either of them ever mentioned that as I think maybe Phil has mentioned they watch?

[snokoplasmic]

Off topic but I just decided to re-watch some the the radio stuff and have only just now realized that Tahani in The Good Place is played by Jameela Jamil the woman who used to do the chart show before Dan and Phil's show and compare them to celebrity couples and my mind is blown.
Have either of them ever mentioned that as I think maybe Phil has mentioned they watch?

Yeah, I remember Phil talking about that in a liveshow, said something about loving The Good Place, and then realizing that Jameela was in it and was like "omg that's Jameela!" lol, I can't remember which liveshow it was, but it's somewhere out there

[autumnhearth]

Off topic but I just decided to re-watch some the the radio stuff and have only just now realized that Tahani in The Good Place is played by Jameela Jamil the woman who used to do the chart show before Dan and Phil's show and compare them to celebrity couples and my mind is blown.
Have either of them ever mentioned that as I think maybe Phil has mentioned they watch?

Yeah, I remember Phil talking about that in a liveshow, said something about loving The Good Place, and then realizing that Jameela was in it and was like "omg that's Jameela!" lol, I can't remember which liveshow it was, but it's somewhere out there

Yep, he said he had a hard time picturing her as her actual self now, instead of her character I took a scroll through some ls timestamps but couldn’t see it. I think it was before Christmas.