Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)

[spaceguitar]

As much as 2016 Phil likes to project a sexless image, I think it's safe to say that asexuality is out of the window for him as well.



Thinking back, the only dating rumor that linked either of them to other people was the Dan/Lily Melrose thing, which turned out to completely fake.

I wouldn't be completely sure of that. I do think its vaguely surprising how Phil never seems to show attraction to anyone (celebs and stuff). When asked in an interview who his man crush was, he said Michael Cera (who is more of a funny option). I vaguely headcanon that Phil could be asexual, or more likely aromantic. Who knows really though. He could be on the spectrum somewhat.

Phil being ace or grey-ace is an interesting theory, it might also explain Dan's perpetual dehydration if they are really dating. The thought of Phil being aromantic and Dan possibly having feelings for him is an angsty and painful one, I'm not sure if I want to dwell on that.

Same
Its good fic material though

[sweetmm]

fakelights exactly. Lets be real, Phil is daddy/manager. Tells him which videos to make, gets a scan over tweets before they're posted, organises the tour. I'm not being completely serious but I mean... Phil Lester Dadager™

yikes
personally i like to imagine that phil isn't a controlling, manipulative, borderline abuser but each to their own, keep working the daddy fantasies guys

Hahaha what?? 0 to 100 real quick man

I was referring to when Dan has said Phil's suggested video ideas and/or encouraged him to post ones he's unsure of, run tweets by him etc because as I said... I wasn't being completely serious but you decided not to bold that bit it seems

I don't see anything wrong in Phil "managing" Dan; in any business/corporation we employ various individuals for their different set of skills. I always have issues with my architects as they tend to wish to produce masterpieces at all time even for a bloody drainage, so the Project Manager who normally has Engineering background will manage the time and cost and push the architect to what the client & corporate will be happy with.

is a corporation and they need to run their business as any other, each has their job functions.

[jaej]

im sorry if it came off as personal to anyone on this current thread because it was just a general comment on what gets brought up a lot but yeah, a lot of users here like to make references to how phil is in control of what dan does, decides on his friends etc. it's a personal subject and it makes me uncomfortable to see people joke about it. if you think phils in control of the business that's fine but making it sound like he decides what dan can and can't do in life isn't, making it sound like controlling relationships are fine isn't okay

sarahgrace1 was the girl from the pabloislove channel, she was 19 in late 2010 and they talked a lot in early 2008 onwards when she was 16-18. he's the one he tweeted about making babies with and the one he had soppy phonecalls with and who he said always left him voicemails that cheered him up. i'd link tweets but its too hard to search for tweets that may or may not be there on mobile lmao. 2007-2009 was not the safest time to be a youtuber in your mid-late teens. people decided they weren't going to see age and it lead to relationships that, while not illegal, were dodgy as fuck

[alittledizzy]

I have a question, how does everyone knows Phil is the one ruling things behind the scene and organizing everything?? Like everyone says he is the one doing all the behind the scene work on the tour and stuff but do you have receipts? Where does this come from? Because apart from the pic of Phil filling the taxes, I don't think I have ever seen them Dan and Phil saying anything that would make me think that.

Yeah, there are receipts. I'm sure one of our lovely compilation gurus can find it but Dan and Phil both acknowledged a few times in liveshows that Phil was the one making calls for the tour venues.

[Lurktacularr]

I have a question, how does everyone knows Phil is the one ruling things behind the scene and organizing everything?? Like everyone says he is the one doing all the behind the scene work on the tour and stuff but do you have receipts? Where does this come from? Because apart from the pic of Phil filling the taxes, I don't think I have ever seen them Dan and Phil saying anything that would make me think that.

Yeah, there are receipts. I'm sure one of our lovely compilation gurus can find it but Dan and Phil both acknowledged a few times in liveshows that Phil was the one making calls for the tour venues.

You can probably also add in how much editing Dan does to the idea that Dan is front of house, Phil is back of house. There's a joke to be made there

to a bunch of you who explained what I meant with the manager joke in ways more articulate than I can muster at this late hour

[sweetmm]

I have a question, how does everyone knows Phil is the one ruling things behind the scene and organizing everything?? Like everyone says he is the one doing all the behind the scene work on the tour and stuff but do you have receipts? Where does this come from? Because apart from the pic of Phil filling the taxes, I don't think I have ever seen them Dan and Phil saying anything that would make me think that.

Someone with a better archive skill can give you better answers with evidences.

In LS or wherever it was, Phil mentioned he was busy trying to arrange or was it contact the venues for details, confirmations and etc. There are a few LS they did together Dan wanted to announce something and check with Phil whether they can do it then or later. I think we came to a conclusion from various info that when Dan was busy doing his gaming documentary, Phil was trying to confirm all the venues and arrangements in their US Tour (I am thinking not directly but maybe with their agent etc).

I doubt its about Phil ruling or making decisions for but it is more that they decide who best at what and who manage what and divide their jobs accordingly. That to me is a good business process.

[alittledizzy]

sarahgrace1 was the girl from the pabloislove channel, she was 19 in late 2010 and they talked a lot in early 2008 onwards when she was 16-18. he's the one he tweeted about making babies with and the one he had soppy phonecalls with and who he said always left him voicemails that cheered him up. i'd link tweets but its too hard to search for tweets that may or may not be there on mobile lmao. 2007-2009 was not the safest time to be a youtuber in your mid-late teens. people decided they weren't going to see age and it lead to relationships that, while not illegal, were dodgy as fuck

What you're saying in general about people on youtube not seeing age with people in their mid/late teens might be true, I certainly won't invalidate that since I haven't looked extensively at other youtubers from that time period. But I did look through everything Sarah-Grace related I could find and there's nothing overtly sexual about them, just the same level of joking that took place between Phil and basically all of his friends. (Unless you're a fan of the lothario Phil theory and he was dating all his friends.)

[akui]

if they were showers i think we would notice (you know, with dans extremely skinny jeans it would be hard not to tell )

Dan's jeans usually has really low crotch so there are plenty of dick space i would imagine. So we can't really tell. And Phil I've seen some nice bulge from him couple of times.

I personally believe, which is based on my completely untested unscientific theory, from their personalities, that Dan doesn't seem to have a D that is too big nor too small, and Phil are more likely to have a big D.

All this corporate talk really leave me out of my depth, gasping for air. Just one teeny tiny question, is there any con(sequences) at all for deppy leaving channelflip? Will they get less opportunity for things or?

From what i can see not much except for those dragon shitty spons and stuff. Considering their fame opportunities are more likely to knock on their doors really. Most things we see them doing these days are through flipside more likely. But personally I'm still not so sure tbh, we don't know where the book deal came from, and back in 2012 when they got the radio show, was that because of flipside? Idk

Btw tomska in recent vlog saying he is dealing with some legal problems, i wonder if it got anything to do with channelflip or flipside, since as same as deppy, tom is also managed by both companies.

[daphenaxa]

I have a question, how does everyone knows Phil is the one ruling things behind the scene and organizing everything?? Like everyone says he is the one doing all the behind the scene work on the tour and stuff but do you have receipts? Where does this come from? Because apart from the pic of Phil filling the taxes, I don't think I have ever seen them Dan and Phil saying anything that would make me think that.

Someone with a better archive skill can give you better answers with evidences.

In LS or wherever it was, Phil mentioned he was busy trying to arrange or was it contact the venues for details, confirmations and etc. There are a few LS they did together Dan wanted to announce something and check with Phil whether they can do it then or later. I think we came to a conclusion from various info that when Dan was busy doing his gaming documentary, Phil was trying to confirm all the venues and arrangements in their US Tour (I am thinking not directly but maybe with their agent etc).

I doubt its about Phil ruling or making decisions for but it is more that they decide who best at what and who manage what and divide their jobs accordingly. That to me is a good business process.

mm ok thanks. Not saying they don't divide tasks and play to their strengths each but Phil has also a way of talking where he is always like "I went to the restaurant with my friends" or "I went to the cinema" and we perfectly know Dan was there too so...

[coffee pig]

I personally believe, which is based on my completely untested unscientific theory, from their personalities, that Dan doesn't seem to have a D that is too big nor too small, and Phil are more likely to have a big D.

Science with IDB. If biology was like this for me in secondary school, I think I would have paid more attention in class.
I love how we can go from serious business discussion to dick theories in no time at all

[fakelights]

I have a question, how does everyone knows Phil is the one ruling things behind the scene and organizing everything?? Like everyone says he is the one doing all the behind the scene work on the tour and stuff but do you have receipts? Where does this come from? Because apart from the pic of Phil filling the taxes, I don't think I have ever seen them Dan and Phil saying anything that would make me think that.

Someone with a better archive skill can give you better answers with evidences.

In LS or wherever it was, Phil mentioned he was busy trying to arrange or was it contact the venues for details, confirmations and etc. There are a few LS they did together Dan wanted to announce something and check with Phil whether they can do it then or later. I think we came to a conclusion from various info that when Dan was busy doing his gaming documentary, Phil was trying to confirm all the venues and arrangements in their US Tour (I am thinking not directly but maybe with their agent etc).

I doubt its about Phil ruling or making decisions for but it is more that they decide who best at what and who manage what and divide their jobs accordingly. That to me is a good business process.

mm ok thanks. Not saying they don't divide tasks and play to their strengths each but Phil has also a way of talking where he is always like "I went to the restaurant with my friends" or "I went to the cinema" and we perfectly know Dan was there too so...

Yes, there is that. But I see it more in a way that both of them decide on things together, but Phil is the one that actually takes care of it (in a business related way).

[akui]

Wow just saw channelflip's financial report of 2014, they made quite a loss, how?

Btw tomska in recent vlog saying he is dealing with some legal problems, i wonder if it got anything to do with channelflip or flipside, since as same as deppy, tom is also managed by both companies.

Quoting myself like a boss, cuz i just checked, tomska is no longer with channelflip as well.

So whatever was happening, it maybe is still happening. We'll see.

[kuensukki]

if they were showers i think we would notice (you know, with dans extremely skinny jeans it would be hard not to tell )

Dan's jeans usually has really low crotch so there are plenty of dick space i would imagine. So we can't really tell. And Phil I've seen some nice bulge from him couple of times.

I personally believe, which is based on my completely untested unscientific theory, from their personalities, that Dan doesn't seem to have a D that is too big nor too small, and Phil are more likely to have a big D.

All this corporate talk really leave me out of my depth, gasping for air. Just one teeny tiny question, is there any con(sequences) at all for deppy leaving channelflip? Will they get less opportunity for things or?

From what i can see not much except for those dragon shitty spons and stuff. Considering their fame opportunities are more likely to knock on their doors really. Most things we see them doing these days are through flipside more likely. But personally I'm still not so sure tbh, we don't know where the book deal came from, and back in 2012 when they got the radio show, was that because of flipside? Idk

Btw tomska in recent vlog saying he is dealing with some legal problems, i wonder if it got anything to do with channelflip or flipside, since as same as deppy, tom is also managed by both companies.

The initial R1 radio deal was through an email to Phil, they were looking for up and coming vloggers and approached him. He then asked Dan to join him and they did the blindfolded whisker challenge thing. Than the BBC producers liked their chemistry and asked if they wanted to make a radio show. I don' think channelflip had anything to do with it. Also akui stop making me imagine their D size (though I agree with your theory... team BIG Phil )

Also lurktacular your banner is the most relatable thing I ever read!!

[sweetmm]

mm ok thanks. Not saying they don't divide tasks and play to their strengths each but Phil has also a way of talking where he is always like "I went to the restaurant with my friends" or "I went to the cinema" and we perfectly know Dan was there too so...

Maybe he still wants to have his options open after #phandivorce On a serious note, Phil tends to still want to share what he does publicly but whom he does it with he still hold on to the privacy (people can assume but he won't directly confirm) e.g. their latest pics at Florida. Thank goodness Dan is more open

All this corporate talk really leave me out of my depth, gasping for air. Just one teeny tiny question, is there any con(sequences) at all for deppy leaving channelflip? Will they get less opportunity for things or?

It depends on how confident are of their brand, whether external parties will approach them directly for business opportunities (AD) and I think for YT revenue they may be "friendly/chummy" enough with YT that they'll get whatever deal ChannelFlip can get for them.

[alcoholicferrets]

Sometimes I feel like people want to think Phil does everything behind the scenes because he doesn't really take on any solo projects the way Dan has (most notably, the gaming documentary, but also a number of smaller things like the HG cast interview, etc.) and has fewer subscribers than Dan. So it kind of seems like they're unequally yoked (using this phrase entirely wrong here) unless Phil is secretly the mastermind of the whole operation. I'm sure he does a bunch of the behind-the-scenes things and that there are receipts, but I think Dan is pretty involved too. Like his directorial #talents with the trailer, I feel like he'd be good at organizing/coordinating things.

[missemma]

I haven't finish reading the last 2 pages but I wanna say something.

The limit size you can use is 50 now, 50 and up, I'm gonna be blind trying to read those tiny letters.

smh

Seconded

Moderator Action :

we've had a few comments about the really small fonts. If we could try to avoid using the 'tiny' font size as it is making it quite difficult for some to read, and if you manually add in a size to your posts, could you make it no smaller than size=85. thanks everyone

[blueapple_x]

Wow just saw channelflip's financial report of 2014, they made quite a loss, how?

Btw tomska in recent vlog saying he is dealing with some legal problems, i wonder if it got anything to do with channelflip or flipside, since as same as deppy, tom is also managed by both companies.

Quoting myself like a boss, cuz i just checked, tomska is no longer with channelflip as well.

So whatever was happening, it maybe is still happening. We'll see.

Interesting! Maybe CF is getting greedy and demanding a larger cut of adsense? It could be related to why Dan is now under his own network.

[sweetmm]

The initial R1 radio deal was through an email to Phil, they were looking for up and coming vloggers and approached him. He then asked Dan to join him and they did the blindfolded whisker challenge thing. Than the BBC producers liked their chemistry and asked if they wanted to make a radio show. I don' think channelflip had anything to do with it. Also akui stop making me imagine their D size (though I agree with your theory... team BIG Phil )

Also lurktacular your banner is the most relatable thing I ever read!!

Their management team before Flipside was Insanity Group, and I believe they might be the ones that help promote Phil's ideas to BBC. Insanity also manages Jimmy hence why he had been with BBC for ages.

Phil@BigBen

[pearshaped34]

for dating things, phils had a couple, hasn't he? phil x alyssa, phil x charlie (not a couple but a strong rumour and the Twitter interactions were... inappropriate), phil x sarah-grace (more true than charlie but doesn't have the angst factor that people want. and wow another 16ish year old when he was in his 20s ) but dan hasn't really had any. though dan x cat was believed by a lot after the vlog together at the start of 2012. he didn't walk beside phil omg phan broke up cats a homewrecker

sarahgrace1 was the girl from the pabloislove channel, she was 19 in late 2010 and they talked a lot in early 2008 onwards when she was 16-18. he's the one he tweeted about making babies with and the one he had soppy phonecalls with and who he said always left him voicemails that cheered him up. i'd link tweets but its too hard to search for tweets that may or may not be there on mobile lmao. 2007-2009 was not the safest time to be a youtuber in your mid-late teens. people decided they weren't going to see age and it lead to relationships that, while not illegal, were dodgy as fuck

I've been reading the old GG threads recently and this came up somewhere in there too with someone saying Sarah-grace was 15 when Phil sent her the make babies tweet and then someone else arguing 18. I decided to google this one and by her twitter her birthday is May and she was 25 on her last birthday meaning if she started talking to Phil in 2008 she was 17 or 18 depending on if it was before or after May. And Phil would have been like 21 so his around 3 years older then her.

Not a big difference but when implying inappropriateness I think it's important to have the actual ages right.

[akui]

The initial R1 radio deal was through an email to Phil, they were looking for up and coming vloggers and approached him. He then asked Dan to join him and they did the blindfolded whisker challenge thing. Than the BBC producers liked their chemistry and asked if they wanted to make a radio show. I don' think channelflip had anything to do with it. Also akui stop making me imagine their D size (though I agree with your theory... team BIG Phil )

I always think channelflip is quite shitty, and Phil has a big D.

Small channel like hazel and jack who are under no MCU can land interview with amy Schumer and go to bafta interview but channelflip can't even deliver deppy with evan peters and sarah Michelle galler?

Also in addition to Dan and Tom, PJ is also not with channelflip anymore. Now their biggest channel are just literally Phil and ashens

[sweetmm]

she started talking to Phil in 2008 she was 17 or 18 depending on if it was before or after May. And Phil would have been like 21 so his around 3 years older then her.

Not a big difference but when implying inappropriateness I think it's important to have the actual ages right.

[Catallena]

The initial R1 radio deal was through an email to Phil, they were looking for up and coming vloggers and approached him. He then asked Dan to join him and they did the blindfolded whisker challenge thing. Than the BBC producers liked their chemistry and asked if they wanted to make a radio show. I don' think channelflip had anything to do with it. Also akui stop making me imagine their D size (though I agree with your theory... team BIG Phil )

Also lurktacular your banner is the most relatable thing I ever read!!

Their management team before Flipside was Insanity Group, and I believe they might be the ones that help promote Phil's ideas to BBC. Insanity also manages Jimmy hence why he had been with BBC for ages.

Phil@BigBen

I thought Somethin Else Talent Agency was their management before they moved to Flipside? At least in 2012/13 I think.

[jaej]

are you sure? from a profile sg put up after in 2010, after may (i don't think i can link since her profile is on alt girls and had semi nudes) she was 19, meaning:
2010= 18/19
09= 17/18
08= 16/17
either way, the point is that it was dodgy, not illegal or horrifying

[oqua]

As much as 2016 Phil likes to project a sexless image, I think it's safe to say that asexuality is out of the window for him as well.



Thinking back, the only dating rumor that linked either of them to other people was the Dan/Lily Melrose thing, which turned out to completely fake.

I wouldn't be completely sure of that. I do think its vaguely surprising how Phil never seems to show attraction to anyone (celebs and stuff). When asked in an interview who his man crush was, he said Michael Cera (who is more of a funny option). I vaguely headcanon that Phil could be asexual, or more likely aromantic. Who knows really though. He could be on the spectrum somewhat.

Phil being ace or grey-ace is an interesting theory, it might also explain Dan's perpetual dehydration if they are really dating. The thought of Phil being aromantic and Dan possibly having feelings for him is an angsty and painful one, I'm not sure if I want to dwell on that.

Same
Its good fic material though

Guys, how serious are you with this idea that Phil is asexual or aromantic? Do you actually think it's a possibility?

[wonderluust]

reading thru gg and this forum, the prevalent kind of character framing i’ve always gotten is that phil is the responsible adult and business mastermind while dan is a mess and only good as the pretty face of the franchise. i don’t think this is warranted or fair to dan. jokes like the one lurktacular made gets on my nerves tbqh bc it tries to elevate alpha male phil at the expense of painting dan as some kind of dependent helpless person when it comes to the “serious stuff". yes dan and phil support each other, but the the emphasis seems to always lean one way and no one ever seems to mention the idea that dan gives direction and approval to phil too, probably in similar amounts.

just bc dan said he runs some of his tweets and video ideas by phil doesn’t mean phil doesn’t do the same, or that dan does that bc he’s not capable on his own. if anything, it shows that he’s open to criticism and isn’t a stubborn + controlling person, both good qualities to have. just bc phil called venues or did taxes isn’t reason to believe that dan doesn’t do his share of the paperwork. this image you guys have of phil seems to be based on pretty circumstantial evidence and clouded by wishful thinking. and the joy y’all derive from picturing phil as some kind of controlling “daddy" that tells helpless dan what to do is a little disturbing ngl.

i hate to say it, but it’s like phil stans feel this power imbalance due to dan’s greater outward success and are always unconsciously trying to bridge the gap by conjuring up some kind of behind the scenes thing phil’s better at.