Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

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dans left hand wrote:@jesp i can pm you screenshots if you want

also, is there any chance you could remove my posts all about this, as i dont feel i should have spoken about it on a public forum sigh. im feeling v worried
We don't delete posts. We would remove any part of a post that would cause a loss of privacy or incite harassment, but since this is something Dan has publicly talked about, there's nothing we can do.

okay thank you, its ok, i'm just anxious over nothing i guess, thank you anyway :platonic:
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iero wrote:i didn't enjoy this ls as much as the one two weeks ago, it wasn't very interesting and it had a slight negative vibe that i can't rly explain

would anybody consider the moment dan talked about phanart today an anti-phan moment?
someone messaged him saying he liked phanart on tumblr and he denied knowing it was phanart because he didn't read the caption and when he did it was too late. i don't consider it an anti moment as such but it could've easily been ignored in my opinion, i rolled my eyes a little
Honestly, none of the phanart he liked today had any shippy connotations in it. The only one that he liked a few weeks ago with a shippy caption was one that said something about him and Phil being a power couple. But that was literally before his live show two weeks ago! No ones been talking about it since the day it happened so I just find that really odd to bring it up now.
I don't really find it anti-phan, but it seems he doesn't want anyone to really read into anything he reblogs or likes on Tumblr now, which is understandable
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iero wrote:i didn't enjoy this ls as much as the one two weeks ago, it wasn't very interesting and it had a slight negative vibe that i can't rly explain

would anybody consider the moment dan talked about phanart today an anti-phan moment?
someone messaged him saying he liked phanart on tumblr and he denied knowing it was phanart because he didn't read the caption and when he did it was too late. i don't consider it an anti moment as such but it could've easily been ignored in my opinion, i rolled my eyes a little
I didn't take it as anti-phan at all. He just stated that he sometimes likes art without reading the captions, only to find out later that it was "Dan fisting Phi." Made me laugh, actually.

Artdefines06, I really appreciated your commentary above. I am almost exactly a decade older than Dan, and I can't even imagine having to be in his position now, let alone 10 years ago. Honestly, they are both doing a fab job, and I can't imagine that they would have much to look back at and cringe upon. Really, they seem to have their shit together.
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Quite nice mellow liveshow, liked the chat about the dog lol. I really love the silly voice Dan puts on for when he speaks to animals so shame Phil didn't decide to blog their hour long adventure with the mutt haha.
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Found the rebranding talk at around 36:20 interesting.
If not a rebranding video, what is the video he's putting off?
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I love Dan- just an update. He's extra and dramatic but I find it endearing.
Also he further explained the furry thing and implied that its a joke, but also that maybe people should be inclusive of furries?
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spaceguitar wrote:I love Dan- just an update. He's extra and dramatic but I find it endearing.
Also he further explained the furry thing and implied that its a joke, but also that maybe people should be inclusive of furries?
His tone during the furry part was interesting. I interpreted it as him saying everyone else took the furry thing as a joke, not that he specifically did - and then questioning why everyone took it as a joke even while preaching acceptance of other things. But he also wrapped it up with a joke, which makes the entire thing difficult to read in tone.
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Interestingly, over the years 'arrogance' and 'rudeness' is the reason I've most often heard from people as to why they don't like Dan (anymore) aside from content related wank. Definitely not a new thing. Does anyone remember Ellie Galaxies? She was quite popular on Tumblr in Phan/Fantastic Foursome fan circles in 2012-13, mostly known for being a hardcore Chris fan. She wrote popular phanfic and shipped/blogged about Phan but she made no secret out of it that she severely disliked Dan after a bad experience at a con where he was apparently rude to her and her friends.

I don't know about him being actually rude though.. social awkwardness might often come off as rudeness. It's something I suffer from myself and occasionally it might carry over to online interactions as well. I don't think he was rude in the reply, maybe a bit annoyed but the 'why are you still on this dusty app' was obviously a somewhat unfortunate joke.

I have my own issues with Dan, mostly that he often takes himself too seriously and comes across as pretentious (especially in liveshows, which I don't watch anymore for this exact reason.. he pisses me off too much). But I don't think he's rude at all.

Not anymore anyway, we don't talk about the costumer service blog. Never heard of it. Nope.

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and even then you can make a case in favor of dan's reasos for being like that I guess


Anyway lmao at this apparent rebranding video sike Damn you Daniel.
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Honestly though Catallena I can see what you mean about social awkwardness and him coming across as "rude". It's something I have in real life where I come across as distant, arrogant or rude to people outside my good friends. I still can't help but dislike his attitude at times though.
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SexyTrashCan wrote:Honestly though Catallena I can see what you mean about social awkwardness and him coming across as "rude". It's something I have in real life where I come across as distant, arrogant or rude to people outside my good friends. I still can't help but dislike his attitude at times though.
i just want to add: i feel like some people that commented low-key felt bad for not always liking dan, and -- that's perfectly fine, honestly i dislike almost every person i know from time to time but that doesn't mean i don't like them overall. it's fine to dislike some things dan does or to think that you might not get along with him irl or get annoyed with him and at the same time still enjoying his content. idk if this is even relevant to anyone but i sometimes get the impression that people feel like if they don't enjoy every single thing that dan or someone else says or does, it means that they're losing interest / can't enjoy the overall experience anymore / are ""bad fans"". i think it comes somewhat naturally that when you start liking content of whatever sort more than casually, the sheer mass of new information you acquire makes it more likely that you dislike some of it.

i really don't know if this adds to the discussion, sorry if it doesn't.
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lurker wrote:
SexyTrashCan wrote:Honestly though Catallena I can see what you mean about social awkwardness and him coming across as "rude". It's something I have in real life where I come across as distant, arrogant or rude to people outside my good friends. I still can't help but dislike his attitude at times though.
i just want to add: i feel like some people that commented low-key felt bad for not always liking dan, and -- that's perfectly fine, honestly i dislike almost every person i know from time to time but that doesn't mean i don't like them overall. it's fine to dislike some things dan does or to think that you might not get along with him irl or get annoyed with him and at the same time still enjoying his content. idk if this is even relevant to anyone but i sometimes get the impression that people feel like if they don't enjoy every single thing that dan or someone else says or does, it means that they're losing interest / can't enjoy the overall experience anymore / are ""bad fans"". i think it comes somewhat naturally that when you stop liking content of whatever sort more than casually, the sheer mass of new information you acquire makes it more likely that you dislike some of it.

i really don't know if this adds to the discussion, sorry if it doesn't.
In general, I love Dan and will probably stan Deppy for months or years to come and this sums up my feelings pretty well
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My first impression of Dan was the he is annoying, fake and narcissistic, and couldn't get through any of his main channel videos that weren't a colab. (I found them through their gaming channel and watched Phil first).

Only after reading this forum i've started empathizing with him, a little.
I still find him annoying sometimes but i guess it's better than finding him boring.
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I can see where the rude factor is seen. Personally I think he seems quite.... Unimpressed with what he's asked or he's just completely done with the audience at some point. Ask a "political" question, "too risky" ask a weird question, "what is this?" Thats the only reason why i asked him the future project question in the first place it sounded like a happy medium. Anywho he might just be in low spirits.
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I was nervous to watch that liveshow as so many people (across twitter and tumblr mostly) had said he seemed to be in a bad mood, but I actually thought he seemed fine. I've definitely found him to be snappy and irritable in the past, but I really struggled to read him that way in this liveshow and thought that he was mostly very pleasant. I really appreciated what he had to say about Moonlight, I enjoyed the story about the dog and I thought he was just generally in quite a chatty mood. I find it so interesting that they can't commit to certain conventions, I'm so intrigued about what it is in May onwards that's causing them to avoid outright committing to them.

I found his response to "Where's the rebranding video?" interesting as well, he seemed to imply that he was never planning on making a video about dropping 'danisnotonfire' yet I was so certain that's what it was going to be.

As to whether or not Dan is rude, I think he can come across that way sometimes. Whether that's his intention or just because he's socially anxious I'm not sure. I love Dan, and see a lot of myself in him, but there are times where he does rub me the wrong way. One example I can think of is in live shows sometimes people in the chat will tell him an achievement of theirs that's school/uni related and he'll one-up them, which always makes me cringe as it comes off arrogant to me. But like others have said, I infinitely prefer Dan in 2017 than Dan in 2012-2013. I first started watching in late 2012 and I was much more intimidated by him then, I actually think he's much more relaxed and even less condescending than he used to be.
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Dan's left hand forgive me for my presumptions but I think you're taking this replies too seriously! It's in the same tone as most of his Internet stuff which is slightly snarky but also casual and friendly in the Dan way.

Also to those who say they're turned off Dan in some ways, is it mostly because of the liveshows? I find him perfectly fine in most videos but it's when I started watching his liveshows that I started feeling annoyed. I think I'll just stick to Phil's because his are relaxing and nice to keep in the background. I don't have much interest in Dan's music taste at all nor do I watch the things they do and he does rattle on a lot about those things.

Also it's interesting to hear all your opinions on why you all watch D&P - since I have never watched them for the relationship aspect (in the sense of "phan")
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I’m over here reading all of these comments about Dan in his ls today like “yup…yup…me too.” Count me among those who felt sort of put off by his dismissiveness. The main difference is that I don’t find myself disliking him because of it. Questioning my own judgment, a bit, yes. Wondering why it matters so much to me, perhaps. But I still find him quite appealing, especially for someone in the public eye, especially in his demographics. I’m usually drawn to actors, artists, etc. who are older than me or at least more mellow and down to earth, but there’s something about Daniel that’s so sweet and sincere, as much as he tends to act otherwise.

I do think he can be a bit arrogant and that he needs to calm the eff down about his work being viewed as “quality” content (premieres at Cannes get booed) and I tend to zone out when he goes into those music tangents (less so with the political ones), but I also think all that comes from genuine passion and interest. He said himself that he was that annoying kid in the back of the classroom making comments and distracting even the other “bad” kids. We all knew a kid like that (maybe some of us were that kid ;)). Part of me still sees that kid who just wants to be heard but heaven forbid they appear to desire it or appreciate it when they are. Hence the dismissiveness.

But there’s always that hint of sweetness underlying even his most annoying attention-seeking behavior. An example: one thing that both he and Phil do in ls is react to individual “you make me smile/you mean a lot to me/etc.”-type comments personally and sincerely. Both of them seem to get that those comments take them about five seconds to say but could quite possibly make someone’s day, month, year, heck, maybe even life to an extent. When it comes from Phil, though, it sometimes comes across as surface-level appreciation, mainly due to the way he’s branded himself as an always-sunny, pie-in-the-sky sort of fella. With Dan, you get the sense that he knows what it means as he’s “been there” himself, whether “there” is difficult times or wanting to impress someone you look up to. So they feel more sincere coming from him, not necessarily in the delivery but because of how he presents himself in general, his honesty about certain struggles, and the mere fact that he took the time to do it. Dan always comes across to me as caring more, deep down...I'm not exactly sure why.

So, the bottom line, I guess is that I tend to look at his actions rather than the delivery, which I think does sometimes distort his intentions a bit because of his awkwardness. And I do believe he has a good heart under all that sarcasm and pulling faces and brushing off compliments and going into thirty-minute tirades about politics and music. I’ve always (well, always being the year or so that I’ve followed them) thought of Dan as “the sweet one” and still do, even when he's pissy and annoying 90% of the time.

Oh, and I call bs on that explanation for the deppy 2017 “stay hydrated” campaign
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starlight-still wrote:I’m over here reading all of these comments about Dan in his ls today like “yup…yup…me too.” Count me among those who felt sort of put off by his dismissiveness. The main difference is that I don’t find myself disliking him because of it. Questioning my own judgment, a bit, yes. Wondering why it matters so much to me, perhaps. But I still find him quite appealing, especially for someone in the public eye, especially in his demographics. I’m usually drawn to actors, artists, etc. who are older than me or at least more mellow and down to earth, but there’s something about Daniel that’s so sweet and sincere, as much as he tends to act otherwise.
I don't think people actively dislike Dan for his tone etc? It's just that they (and me) don't feel such great enjoyment from watching him when he behaves like that, and frankly that'd alright. It's the Internet after all haha I watch what makes me happy and I don't watch what annoys me, even if it's by someone I actually like. I normally like Dan well enough but I don't like his live shows I'm curious to see who else feels this way!

Also regarding compliments - I wish Dan would just say "thank you" the way Phil does when he gets compliments though! He always has to spin it into something else
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Yeah, I saw that just now. I've not watched the Fine Bros in so long so I've not been in the loop. Have Deppy stopped associating with them since the Copyright React business? I would have loved FBE to have had the YTers react to Deppy's video, as their reactions were much better (ironically, in the kind of FBE style of being more thought-out reactions than the others, the others being simply 'Imma taste this cartridge' then spitting it out and saying 'lol it tastes bad').
I watched Dan's liveshow while cooking dinner and just had a grand old time. Maybe this is because I wasn't 100% focused on it, but I couldn't pick up on any negative vibes at all. I feel like I'm used to his pretentious/ironic/pessimistic humour and short responses by now, and I can totally relate to him trying to be funny but in his social awkwardness unfortunately coming off as rude.
Also, while being totally attracted to Phil, I admit I enjoy Dan's liveshows more. The kind of stuff he talks about is the kind of stuff I like to talk about with my friends all the time, and I just found myself humming in agreement and even saying, 'I know, right?' out loud to the empty room. Plus the story about the dog was absolutely too cute and funny. I couldn't stop giggling.
I much prefer this 2017 Dan to earlier versions of himself. He's like a fine wine, improving with age. His haircut and curls are on point, he seems like he's having more fun in videos, he's not talking over Phil quite as much, and he's nowhere near as problematic or snippy as he used to be. If people are calling him rude and arrogant now, I have to wonder what they thought of him in 2012/13. He really rubbed me up the wrong way around then.
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SquishPhan wrote: Liked Dan being honest about going to the Australian con just because they wanted to go back to Hong Kong.
I haven't watched the liveshow yet, and couldn't watch until my midterm ends later today. But as a Hong Kong viewer, I kid you not, I almost shat myself knowing that Dan and Phil wanted to go back to Hong Kong :o
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Since there's no chance I'm gonna get to rewatch the liveshow in the next day and a half, here are my quickly written as I actually watched the liveshow notes/timestamps.

1:50 - He's never been a blanket person.
2:00 - Friend bought him the space blanket. Now he literally can't imagine life without blankets. He walks around the house with it on him like a cape all the time.
3:50 - He mentions the creepshot war.
4:00 - Dog story. Calls landlord a terrible awful human being no one should have to interact with.
5:10 - Wonders what their neighbors think is happening in their flat. "Blaring Game of Thrones at three am in the morning."
6:30 - "Everything you do is valid, Mr. Dog."
7:20 - The dog was in the office in their apartment.
8:04 - "They kept it for an hour." slips from the singular to plural
9:23 - Hot personal trainer question.
9:48 - "Dribbling snot out of their asses."
10:41 - Someone asks about 'stay hydrated' comments in videos. Dan gets distracted and forgets.
11:15 - 2017 is a year we need to band together positivity stay hydrated etc theme will stay in their videos. "Just a little bit of what we're doing."
11:49 - Everyone they knew got one from Nintendo, they didn't. They asked Nintendo if they could have one.
13:34 - They got shitposting kudos, and some people were actually upset - funniest thing ever. "Just in case you took that video too seriously and got upset, we just did the video as a joke."
14:55 - Unintentionally sexual Switch videos.
15:10 - "Sometimes we add the innuendo-" then gets distracted and doesn't finish sentence.
16:08 - Thinks the Switch video is funny even if people don't like watching games.
17:56 - The first day they got the Switch Phil put it in backwards and it took them ten minutes to figure out how to do it.
18:16 - Not worth getting a Switch unless you're a content creator or really into Zelda.
21:17 - "Are you the same George?"
24:57 - Anxiety mention. "Scented candles and quiet rooms."
28:54 - "Ace people are valid." re: erasing Jughead's asexuality in Riverdale. Go with the flow, don't feel the pressure to define yourself according to what other people say. Take as much time as you need, define yourself as ten different things, it's okay.
30:53 - Sometimes he doesn't read captions on phanart. "Dan fisting Phil."
32:04 - Wavy hair is trendy/he loves not straightening his hair.
33:38 - Younow tells Dan to tell people on Youtube to come over to Younow.
35:01 - New dinof video before the next liveshow, he hopes.
35:30 - They take turns cooking depending on who is lazy, or they don't cook at the same time because one of them is doing something.
36:38 - There is no rebranding, everything's the same. Just better aesthetics.
38:32 - They can't commit to timings of more conventions. "No point asking every time and getting upset. We'll let you know as and when we can go to a convention."
38:53 - Australia trip is an excuse to go back to Hong Kong again.
39:12 - Top ten tv shows: GoT, Lost, Fringe, BtVS, 24, Homeland, Battlestar Galactica.
40:27 - "Lets not talk about politics, I'll get put on a list." re: wikileaks
41:11 - "Where's Phil? Dunno."
41:31 - Public creepshot war with Phil that's not stopping. "If you're liking these candid shaming tweets from Phil, don't feel like they're gonna stop any time soon." So that's a thing he wants to make damn sure we know.
43:25 - Moonlight/La La Land Oscars reactions.
47:42 - Latest Sims video.
47:53 - dinof and AP videos 'define us' so they spend more time and there's more pressure to be original and creative. Gaming videos are like, "Just film it." It's just because they're not on tour.
49:33 - Star blanket vs big fluffy blanket.
51:00 - "Maybe I should go see somebody about that."
51:43 - "Me and Phil are gonna watch Hamilton when it opens."
51:51 - Still watching Steven Universe.
52:29 - "Tips on how to adult. You're asking me?" "I'll let you know when I work that out."
52:50 - Furries are a joke, but at what point are we going to consider furries just as valid as anyone else? We shouldn't shame anybody but furries are a big joke? "Just planting that seed in your mind, and that seed looks like a big purple fox." (aka Dan is a furry and hasn't figured out how to come out himself yet.)
55:00 - "There's future projects always. But going with the flow for now." "I have dreams. I have fleeting daydreams where I ponder what I want to do with the future."
55:52 - "The Witch"
58:39 - "Queen of your Body" olivia coleman
59:13 - He had a Lebanese curry for dinner.
1:00:54 - Going to dinner next week, will try to be back in time for the liveshow.
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What did everyone make of his comment about him and Phil adding innuendo? I just find it interesting that he admits this right after his mention of not reading captions on Phan art. Sure, they are different things, but for Dan, who admits on a regular basis, that he constantly thinks about how tweets, etc. will be perceived to admit to adding innuendo into their "unintentionally sexy" videos is pretty interesting
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I don't think Dan was rude in how he relied but then, I have always thought of him as a little bit of an asshole haha, that doesn't mean I don't like him tho. I think it's good actually, enjoying someones content and also realizing you don't have to like everything about them, everything they say and everything they do.
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Borrowing your time stamps just to ramble a bit.
alittledizzy wrote:11:49 - Everyone they knew got one from Nintendo, they didn't. They asked Nintendo if they could have one.
This reminded me of when Dan mentioned contacting them about a Mario Kart promotion, and got ignored. Then he got the capture box for the Pokemon video, so it's not like they didn't have his address. But mostly I'm thinking, how does a person just contact Nintendo and ask for a free Switch and get one instantly? What is that magical life like? Not #relatable. And not like they can't afford to just buy one on their own. Kinda :sideeye: on this story.
alittledizzy wrote:28:54 - "Ace people are valid." re: erasing Jughead's asexuality in Riverdale.
Thanks Dan. I wasn't at all familiar with any version of that universe to know that's actually a thing, but I appreciate the (indirect) shoutout.
alittledizzy wrote:33:38 - Younow tells Dan to tell people on Youtube to come over to Younow.
This was a weird little moment to me. Originally the tumblr/yt posting seemed like a subtle way around the younow paygate sketchiness, but I don't think they're stupid enough to allow that without knowing what they're doing. It still strikes me as a bit creepy if there's someone just watching their streams to make sure there's enough #spon in there to keep allowing them their freedom.
alittledizzy wrote:35:30 - They take turns cooking depending on who is lazy, or they don't cook at the same time because one of them is doing something.
And they play rock paper scissors to decide. Love it. This is such a far cry from "sauces are made for two people so we HAVE to eat together sometimes, it's so inconvenient". This is a nice universe. Let's all relax and have more of this please.
alittledizzy wrote:41:31 - Public creepshot war with Phil that's not stopping. "If you're liking these candid shaming tweets from Phil, don't feel like they're gonna stop any time soon."
They've both mentioned it now, so I'm guessing this is an actual conversation/declaration of war that has happened. Taking bad photos of each other seems like something they'd have done anyway, but if the cereal photoset opened the gates for us to share in the spoils of battle, bring it on.
alittledizzy wrote:1:00:54 - Going to dinner next week, will try to be back in time for the liveshow.
I'm waiting for someone to post what restaurant they're going to based on this sentence alone. Also, stay tuned for next week to see if he adds "with some friends" to this context.
That's my socializing quota for the month up.
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Pumped af to watch the liveshow, this one sounds lit!
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eevee wrote:No one asked me but to reply to people asking why we watch dan and phil and if it's all about shippy/phan moments:

I think saying that Dan and Phil's content is only good for watching their relationship progress is a bit of an insult to Dan and Phil. Sure, sometimes Dan's videos are kinda basic (I'm looking at you, How To Survive Exams...) but the truth is that Dan and Phil put a lot of work into what they do and have a good result. Take TATINOF for example...maybe one part of it was cringey but the rest of it was damn well rehearsed and they not only pulled it off, they owned it, served it, blew us all away. They have three channels between the two of them, even though they're pretty much a duo at this point. After TATINOF was released on youtube red they've been uploading extremely frequently, and it's been a few months now. They've maintained a successful youtube career for a very long time, something a lot of OG youtubers completely failed to do.

I could go on, but I just feel strongly that Dan and Phil are more than The Story of Phan. Yes, the story of phan is beautiful, and I am very excited to see how it continues. I ship them with all of my being and I want them to get married and have 10 dogs. But I'm also enjoying the content they're putting their hard work into along the way.
I agree so much! Yes, I did get into them because I was intrigued why people seemed so convinced they are together and why their fans are literally everywhere, but that's not why I stayed.
For me, it's the whole package that makes me love them: amazing chemistry, the mystery of phan, humour I enjoy, content that I like, interesting and likeable personalities and it certainly doesn't hurt that they are good-looking. Take away the mystery of phan and make me a lesbian and I'm pretty sure I'd still enjoy their videos. I don't always need all aspects to enjoy a video, they played plenty of games that I couldn't care less about but their bants made the videos enjoyable anyway. That's why I think that the chemistry they have is an important reason of why I like them, but I also like them on their own, so it's not the only thing that keeps me here.

And another important reason why I like being a fan of them, is that they are people I feel fine supporting on a moral level. They don't seem to use their fans, like some other YouTubers, especially those with a younger fanbase, do.
They do almost everything themselves and even those that are in charge of the D&P shop aren't random people but members of Phil's family. They wrote their book themselves and made it fit their personalities and story. They didn't just do a Q&A tour, they made an actual theatrical stage show and came up with the whole concept on their own, getting help only when they needed it. And I really appreciate that because I can see that they work very hard. To a casual viewer, it might seem like phan is the only reason why they are so popular, but I think that's wrong. It is certainly a factor and there are some people who are here just for that, but I don't think they would be as popular if everything apart from the phan aspect was changed.
They are savvy business people, I know, but their ways of gaining money don't seem questionable to me. It seems to actually matter to them that they make their fans happy and don't make them pay loads of money for nothing. They found this middle ground between earning a lot of money and still staying ethical and I really appreciate that. They do things for charity and don't brag about it. When they mention it, they either do it casually in a ls where only a small part of the phandom can hear it or they use their popularity to raise money, like they did for SU2C. I wish more (business) people would be like that. Not saying they are perfect and never decide to do something just because they get money but I don't believe they would ever do something I'd consider morally wrong.

Why am I rambling again?
I agree nephilimcat, very well said! I agree with you that it's a combination of " amazing chemistry, the mystery of phan, humour I enjoy, content that I like, interesting and likeable personalities and it certainly doesn't hurt that they are good-looking." Those really make a recipe for success. alittledizzy mentioned the chemistry too, and I agree. No one wants to watch two entertainers who interact awkwardly, or aren't on the same page.
000dia000 wrote:Personally, I've always found him to act this way, in fact he seems less arrogant to me than he has a few years prior, funny enough. Though, it's all a matter of opinion.
Is it that time of year again? I feel like there is no shortage of phandom members saying Dan has "changed" or become more arrogant. I think it's just phandom members starting to notice this aspect of his personality more, since it doesn't really jump out at first. His personality has certainly not stayed exactly the same over the years, but his "arrogance" is in no way new. I agree with 000dia000 that right now, he's definitely relaxing with his arrogance/insecurity/ego. He seems much more comfortable in himself lately, and that reads a little like confidence and also a little like he doesn't really care so much what people think. Those things are very different from arrogance. People are arrogant when they are insecure about themselves and want to impress people, or when they don't really know themselves and want to present someone that they think people will like (and maybe really believe themselves to be awesome). Dan has clearly struggled with these things in the past, and I think still does struggle with them a bit now. Wouldn't you be concerned with impressing people if your career depended on it? However, everything Dan's been doing lately points to him breaking away from that mentality.
dans left hand wrote:dan: nah
me: omg are you actually replying
dan: what does it look like
me: omg i never thought you would see it im sorry haha
dan: girl why you still got this dusty app anyway

i dont know if i should be posting about it here, im worried he lurks here and hes going to hate me more than he already does idk and now hes going to know who i am ahhh im so worried
That just sounds like his humor/the way he talks/the way his personality is. I really don't see that as rude, the app is really old and outdated tbh, I forgot what it was when you first mentioned it, then I remembered it was one of those apps that blew up in popularity and then disintegrated into the universe. Saying he hates you is a bit of a reach, honestly. I personally don't think Dan (or Phil) has time to hate anyone in the phandom no matter how rude they are...there are just too many of us and Dan has much better things to concern himself with.
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