Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

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scientia wrote:Paraphrasing a bit here but the "come back in 5 months and ask me about that week in March" but has me very intrigued

Same! My initial wild guess was that maybe he/they are in the process of buying a house but something has fallen through this week. It can be so stressful! And in 5 months time they'd be moved (if even to a different place) so it would be ok to talk about it...

This is literally out of nowhere it was just what popped into my head when he said it. 5 months felt very specific.
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When he was going on about the new dinof video and how people had wanted him to make it but that he was really making it for himself, I REALLY thought that it was going to be a coming out video.
And then he talked about kinkshaming.
So now I'm with all of you and it seems to me like it's going to be about furries.

Then again, it'll probably just be another internet support group. Not that I mind terribly... I just don't like it when people get all cryptic about future things and it all turns out to be nothing.
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blackdenim wrote:
dannonfill wrote:
ok, yikes, I hate posting actual opinions here, but anyway.
Don't take this as me shouting at you blackdenim, but lol, I guess I'm here to meet your expectations
blackdenim wrote: It seemed like a very throwaway, surface level mention to me, I didn't see anything offensive or wrong with it, the stuff he showed is a quick Google away and on the tamest end of what you can find with a cursory search, too. No promo, no D&P in the thumbnail or tags.
By using this theory in a video, for his millions of viewers to see, he more than likely exposed the concept of Phan to people who'd never heard of them, or otherwise would never have done any google searches. Even if it was very basic "proof", I think for Shane to be the one to expose it to those previously clueless viewers, that was disrespectful to Deppy. Who historically don't want to talk about it, and I don't think they want other people talking about it either (youtubers or not).
I imagine if he hadn't mentioned them at all the comments would have been overwhelmed by people demanding he cover Phan next time - as many videos about Youtubers that don't mention D&P are. I felt like such a quick mention indicated he was just trying to avoid that.
Youtube commenters can't make anyone do anything, no matter how many begging Phannies he could've gotten in that comment section, they wouldn't have had him at gunpoint. He could have been a decent guy and not toyed with his colleagues' obviously private relationship at all, no one made him or could've made him talk about Phan.
Shane doesn't need views or subs from the Phandom, he doesn't need them to keep liking him or keep watching him the way that other YTers that clickbait them (coughMarcuscough) might. I agree that suggesting they are queerbaiting was perhaps a bit irresponsible, but... I'm torn. I imagine a lot of the YT community who don't think D&P are together probably do think they're queerbaiting. I go back and forth on whether or not they're together and in the times when I think they're not, I think they're queerbaiting too.

I am about Shane's age. We had our teen years in the middle of the emo explosion, when Gerard Way and Frank Iero were making out on stage ostensibly just for attention, and everyone was convinced Pete Wentz and Patrick Stump were together. So I see queerbaiting as quite normal and to be honest, not even that bad of a thing to do. I understand why it is and I know I have to change my thinking on that, but I can also imagine myself making an offhand comment to a friend about D&P 'doing it for attention' without realising the full connotations of what I'd said. In fact I think I probably have said stuff like that. And I can imagine Shane, as not the most PC person, probably doing the same - but unfortunately to 9 million people instead of one friend.
I also think the suggestion to a broad audience was irresponsible, because it normalizes it. Queerbaiting isn't acceptable and shouldn't be brushed off by anyone like it is. I'm glad you recognize you should be challenging your thinking on this, which tbh sounds condescending but I mean it. I believe you when you say you understand the issue, but I'll be annoying and explain further anyway. Queerbaiting (I'm so sick of this damn word omg) delegitimizes actual experiences and relationships of LGBT+ people. Like it's just a fun facade to put on, and then be done with. It's hurtful to me, as an all around queer person, to see people use my identity as a stunt, prank, money-grabbing tactic, etc.
For Shane, with his audience, to present "proof" of the theory seriously, and then say at the end "lol but they just fuckin with u tho. they just think it's funny to pretend to be queer." is yes... problematic, to say the least. I can't personally excuse him for this because he's not a PC guy, he should've thought this through, considered the effects more, and not theorized about D&P at all.
Thanks for your reply. You've made some great points - I am seriously rethinking my stance!

I didn't consider how many people who hadn't heard of D&P or Phan might look it up as a result of the video, or what else they might find. And re. comments (if that was his motivation) of course you're right he could have ignored them - or set up a filter for 'Phan'/'Dan and Phil' if he was that concerned.

I'm glad you believe me when I say I know my thoughts on queerbaiting (sorry!) are wrong. Your explanation was a great reminder of why. I often feel like a bit of a dinosaur on the internet these days. It's easy for me to forget how far we've really come on LGBT+ issues in the last 10 years since I was a teen, and acceptance isn't always enough from allies - which I count myself as (I also know that it's my privilege to be able to forget that).
I'm glad that made sense and you could get something out of it!

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So this is totally irrelevant to everything, but I’m wondering if anyone here can translate the characters on Dan’s door sign. Yep. Saw it in the ls, never noticed it before! So I can tell it says 'DANIEL'S ROOM', but I can't read whichever language that is on the bottom. Just curious if any of y'all can read it. It's probably something stupidly obvious like 'Daniel's room', but yeah.
(I know it's not a good picture but I couldn't find one other shot of it in Dan's videos so)
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Dan panicking over how to explain the youtube comment to his grandma had me cracking up.

"In five months ask me about this week in march" - house hunting getting stressful? Whatever is going on will be over in 5 months apparently. Put August 14th down on the calender someone!

The only forgotten video I care about is the cake scene. Cough it up danny boi.

Ive decided I dislike the premium messages. They distract him so much. He will be talking about something he is interested in and really be getting into it, then it's like "Say my name!" "Talk about that thing we make you talk about every week!" "Marry me!". He always looks a bit put out at the change of topic.

Interesting comment about the gaming channel views. The singing video does not have higher views. In fact their entire channel grows slowly for a gaming channel, and the views are pretty consistent at 1-1.5 million per video. This is really high views for their number of subs, and the fact that it is consistent makes me think people watch for them more than for the games. Other gaming channels the views will go up and down depending on the game. It's interesting to look at.

The "You want to know the real me?" during the music rant had me clapping. Be the diva we know you are! Break the people who follow you because they think you are perfect! You are not. None of us are.

Yuri on ice was nice, it still takes up a large part of my life, but it did not save us. The world is still falling apart, sadly.

I know it's early but I am getting excited for april first. I think making slime would be funny but it might be too late to be popular by then. Also funny would be painting their nails badly. Drag the phandom pls.
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lilMango wrote:love is apparently "a mix of being afraid of the other person not being there and sexual attraction" so.... there you go guys
TIL Dan is YA novel protagonist.

Seriously, the perfect mix of self-absorbed, obsession, and lack of experience with a various of relationships is on par with Bella Swan.
blackdenim wrote:
scientia wrote:Paraphrasing a bit here but the "come back in 5 months and ask me about that week in March" but has me very intrigued

Same! My initial wild guess was that maybe he/they are in the process of buying a house but something has fallen through this week. It can be so stressful! And in 5 months time they'd be moved (if even to a different place) so it would be ok to talk about it...

This is literally out of nowhere it was just what popped into my head when he said it. 5 months felt very specific.
I'm not really one, to take the idea of them moving out seriously, but considering he said 5 months, isn't that when the lease is used up? So when their lease is up is that their true game-day and they might come clean and be like, "we finally moved out got storage." I'm not sure I'm on the "they're moving out" bandwagon, but this for me just feels like that those "life plans" are happening. Whether moving out, or something more, something less, I do believe somehow that this will have some relevance. Unless it's a danisnotonfire video them smh I will have to lie down.
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Just wanted to say that I know conversation's moved on but fancybum your post earlier was great, I completely agree

That was such an enjoyable liveshow! Really enjoyed Dan's perspective on Phil's gym disaster and how indignant he was on Phil's behalf (plus the whole "we" joined the gym, and exposing Leon's real name lmao).

I thought his little talk about meditation was really interesting as well, it felt like quite a candid chat about mental health and I felt like it was the closest he got to referencing the Shane drama, as he specified drama on the internet. I felt quite bad for him, but I'm glad he felt comfortable talking about the particular sort of anxiety that comes from spending a lot of time on the internet (and I can't even imagine how magnified that is for someone like him), it was genuinely helpful to me as I've been so anxious for the past week or so, it was nice that he took some time out to talk about it. Similarly, I appreciated his answer to the person who said they were feeling sad, he was very gentle with them and didn't make light of their feelings, it was quite comforting.

I'm so intrigued about why this week has been difficult for him and why he can't tell us about it for another five months. That's so specific, I wonder if it's something to do with a future project he can't talk about yet, or like others have said maybe it is something to do with moving house. Who knows, but colour me intrigued.

Glad he talked about Chanel, it's all I've been listening to for the past few days and I knew he'd love it. I do think he held himself back a bit talking about it, the central theme of the song is arguably Frank's bisexuality, which Dan understandably didn't mention specifically. Not casting any judgment on him for leaving that out, I imagine he would have been anticipating peoples reactions to him mentioning that as a reason he could relate to the song.

Re: Dan's description of love - I found it interesting as well that he didn't try to turn the "some people never find love" into something relatable, he definitely distanced himself from that. I also got the feeling that by "sexual attraction and fear of the person not being there" he was talking about his personal definition of love. He was talking on the spot so I doubt he articulated that exactly as he would have wanted to, and I doubt he was trying to apply that definition to all people.

Also, he said he's excited to come to Australia as it'll be summer. Dan, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's going to be smack-bang in the middle of autumn here in April, it probably won't be particularly hot (at least I hope, it's been so hot here lately and I am praying for the cold weather to return).

edit: i forgot to say that i reckon his new video will be the dentist kink one, that seems to fit the description
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hello :) this is my first post, but I've been lurking for over a year already (since GG), so excuse me if my formatting is weird or whatever.
dannonfill wrote: So this is totally irrelevant to everything, but I’m wondering if anyone here can translate the characters on Dan’s door sign. Yep. Saw it in the ls, never noticed it before! So I can tell it says 'DANIEL'S ROOM', but I can't read whichever language that is on the bottom. Just curious if any of y'all can read it. It's probably something stupidly obvious like 'Daniel's room', but yeah.
(I know it's not a good picture but I couldn't find one other shot of it in Dan's videos so)
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I speak Chinese (though the text might be in Japanese), and the first two characters are 丹尼 (dān ní), or "Danny". The last one is a bit blurry so I can't really tell, but I'm guessing it probably isn't anything of interest.

But yeah, now that I've made my lil "contribution", back into the murky depths of lurking I go
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Phil and Misc Watch 2017
Meditation and Hydration with your new Life Coach! (Week 10)

Prompted Phil Mention
05:05 (chat) Phil’s new video
"The AmazingPhil uploaded a new video on YT”
06:14 (chat) Phil really attracts awkward situations
“Yeah, so Phil uploaded a video last night"
"We’ve joined the gym again, and what Phil wanted was an exercise plan”
07:35 “Phil puked in his mouth, swallowed it, good times, whatever”
"Phil came back after about 17 minutes and I was like, “That was quick. Phil you’re back, why you back so quickly from the gym?" and he was just like silent. Phil’s a pretty pale guy, no offense, doesn’t go outside much, has pale skin, sometimes translucent. He was green.”
"[See-through with a tinge of green], that’s what Phil looked like. He was just kind of rocking backwards and forwards and shaking."

08:40 "Promo’ing m’pal aside, it’s just— if you’re having a bad day, go watch Phil’s last video”

09:15 (chat) Phil hit 4mil
“Yeah. I was actually like really mad when this Phil thing happened because I was there when he was on the phone to the receptionist explaining exactly what he wanted, which was for somebody to give him an exercise plan of half an hour of cardio that he could do when he went to the gym, and instead this guy basically just made him puke and then left. Like honestly I was so angry when he told me, ‘cause I was like, ‘You told the person what you wanted, what did they do?” and Phil was like, “Oh, they just ignored me and then this other thing happened.” And I was just like, ‘Ok, firstly, Phil, you need to learn to assert yourself. Secondly, gym, useless. Thirdly, Kyle, the personal trainer, what is wrong with this man? I’m scared, like I don’t want to go to this gym that Phil went to in case I see this guy and he like looks at me and like asks me to lift a tire— I don’t know, I’m traumatized."

38:50 (chat) Was he really Shrek green?
“Phil after his personal trainer incident, he did literally puke on two separate occasions in the same ten minute period. He was physically green. Traumatizing. Maybe I would have gone to that gym, but since Phil came back with that story, I’ve felt even less likely to go outside."

49:00 (chat) Poor Phil lol that would happen
“Phil attracts the weirdos, Phil is a weirdo magnet, I don’t think that’s stopping anytime soon. Other YTers, they have to sit for hours of creativity to think about things; me and Phil, the content just comes to us and all we have to do is suffer."

49:30 (chat) What’s that mess in Phil’s bedroom
(moves aside to look) "It’s a shoe and a plastic bag, how exciting”

50:45 (chat) Speaking of Phil’s fails, can you tell us the story of the first tatinof?
…”so Phil’s used to putting something down at the side of the stage, except he went over to it without looking and he fell off the stage like 6 feet onto the floor"
“Literally first tour date in America, he literally could’ve broken his leg and that would’ve just been so Dan and Phil"
(chat) Are you excited for Australia again?
Yeah, we are.
-that one sounded more sincere than last week, yay for Australia!
Unprompted Phil Mention
01:40 "The AmazingPhil hit 4M YT subscribers. Wow, took long enough, amirite? Catch up mate. No, but you know, that’s good, so thanks— to, to him— thanks— Thanks? What am I on about? What— for existing? making YT videos? Whatever. Guess you’re the people that subscribed.”
-thanking people for subscribing because Phil’s subs are their subs. Off to a great start

02:48 “But yup, Phil hit the big 4-M. Which stands for 4 million, not something else that that could stand for."

26:05 “I was working on the video that I’m uploading. I was looking out of the window in the “office" in mine and Phil’s apartment, and on the other side of the glass” [was a bumblebee, it was dead, etc]
-why did he air-quote office? seemed weird. Do they usually say gaming room? I feel like they use both interchangeably.

52:55 “I watch rodent videos on YT sometimes”
"so I was talking to Phil who’s like a weirdo that breeds rodents, I’m sure you all know this, and apparently guinea pigs aren’t the best pets because they’re just very scared all the time and they scream"
-talking to Phil about pets, I see

53:35 “To be honest, if something’s scared all the time and screams and cries when you interact with it, that sounds like me and I feel like I really need it"
"Maybe Phil just inspired fear in all of his rodents, who knows"

53:55 (chat) Tell Phil to sue the trainer
(laughs) "For what? For inspiring a YT video? Amazing."
54:25 (chat) What was the trainer’s name
“Kyle."
54:50 (chat) Phil said it was Leon
"I don’t know. Either— did I change it, or did Ph— I mean, Phil probably changed it. Or was it another guy? Don’t listen to me.”
-doxxing people up in here
Neutral Phil Mention
03:05 “I had some pals that I haven’t seen in a very long time. Me and Phil went to a sushi restaurant with them"

24:00 “Me and Phil have told you— there’s lots of YT conventions these days."
"Me and Phil, we have plans- he has a family holiday, there’s various things happening [etc.]"
"'Phil and I' said Linda E. Whatever. Me and Phil have confirmed that this year we are going to Playlist Live in Florida"
"So to people in Florida that want to come see us, we have realized that we’re free, so we are going to Playlist Live in Florida"

39:20 “If you’re somebody that likes funny Dan and Phil videos but you don’t necessarily like gaming, you’re not about that nerdy shit tbh, you will like the last video we uploaded"
"Phil did it. The sheer panic Phil was exuding trying not to die. He couldn’t even concentrate on saying anything funny, he wasn’t even sitting up straight”
-does he ever

40:45 “So go watch the gaming channel for some casual Dan and Phil fun”
Miscellaneous
10:25 “My next dinof video should be coming very very soon, I think probably tomorrow or the day after. It would have been sooner but a certain guy made a promise - which you should never do on the internet - involving some cat gifs and convinced me to let him use the editing computer for a bit. When 2 YTers live in the same house, you should probably have more than one editing computer, there’s lots of issues we probably need to work on. But let’s just say a lot of cat gifs were posted, there was a lot of peer pressure going on, whatever.”
(chat) Any spoilers for us?
It’s a video that I feel like I needed to make for myself. Um. Yes. To distract me. It’s one that a lot of people have been peer-pressuring me for awhile that I've kind of forgot. I think it’s time.”
-HMMMMMMM have people been peer pressuring for the dentist? furry? I literally don’t know. All I know is nobody is peer pressuring him for more ISG. Except for maybe George.

16:25 (after hair rambling) “Or maybe there doesn’t need to be any expectations. Maybe I can straighten my hair next week, and that’s okay. We can all change our minds. We can all change what we like. Who we are. How we want to present ourselves. And that’s okay."


18:35 (to plug dini) “Like honestly, this changed my life: YTer’s that upload really long casual videos that are kind of like podcasts or livechats, like a lot of youtubers like Markiplier, Lily Singh, do liveshows and put them on YT, and that’s my favourite thing to watch or have open on my laptop while getting ready in the morning.”
-aw

PROMPTED PJ MENTION heh
19:17 (chat) What do you think of kickthepj?
“I don’t know who that is, but he sounds like a dick with no talent.”

20:22 (chat) How do I fullscreen you, the comments are stressing me out
The comments are you, they’re your kin, they’re your- I don’t know. Can you? I’m not on the app right now. rip you.”
-reads out a comment about the chat being stressful. was it the most subtle drag of all to people spamming about Shane, or is that wishful thinking on my part

29:10 “I’ve had a challenging week. Oh, this last ten days… It’s kind of funny. Remind me to tell you about this week in about 5 months, okay? Somebody make a note 'in 5 months say: hey what about that week in March?’"
-so mid-August? When is their lease up?

29:30 - 33:15 [Hilarious grandma/queen of my vagina story that just needs to be heard as told]

32:40 Wants to change the title of his piano video, the caps lock bothers him
-k do it then. that’s taking overthinking to new heights. it’s already got 2M views so who cares.

33:20 (chat) Dan I’m scared for my first date today
“The person you’re on the date with is probably just as terrified. People are super awkward all the time. Just go in, be yourself, and if the other person likes you when you’re being yourself, that’s good. And if not, that’s fine. There’s like 7 billion people, you’ll find somebody that likes you when you’re just being yourself."
(chat) Love is a social construct
“Hmm. Is love a social construct? Well, I mean, it’s this whole thing that has a lot of connotations to it, doesn’t it, love? But it’s also a feeling; something more than sexual attraction, isn’t it? What is it? Is it a social construct or is it something that you feel? I feel like it’s probably a combination of that ‘cause what is the feeling? You know what I mean? I feel like people’s terrifying fear and anxiousness that they get from being alone— when you don’t have that, it’s probably comforting. So it’s probably the fear of that person not being there mixed with sexual attraction and just... I dunno. But it’s definitely—
(chat) Oxytocin
"Indeed. Perhaps.”
(chat) Love is genuine / It’s wrapped up in layers of constructs
“I agree with you. Oh my god look at these comments, they’re so articulate."
(chat) It’s not a social construct / It’s real / Some people never find it
“Wow. I guess some people might never find it. You could though, it’s fine.”
-I feel like he was into that topic, not shying away from it at all or uncomfortable and very willingly just talking out his own thoughts on it (from his own experiences). nice little moment.
(disclaimer: not sure what comment he directed his 'I agree with you at', it's not necessarily what's written out here as he was reading a bunch)

35:40 “I love Lorde. Do you love Lorde? You should.”
36:05 “She’s just a very poetic songwriter. She’s a unique performer with a refreshing voice in today’s pop scene and just seems like a nice person. Indeed."

38:08 (ostensibly a comment related to Steven Universe..) "Honestly, fans, you can’t take anything they say seriously"

38:45 (chat) lmao Haru chilling in the background
“Who’s that? Don’t know what you’re on about”
-are we doing this again

41:30 "Dan, talk more about music, said Tommy"
-I call shenanigans, but the chat is all about Shane so I’ll allow it. The man can bring up his own topics however he likes and I’ll stop being a tool about it. At least until George comes back.

46:25 Yuri On Ice: "It blessed us and it saved us all and it gave us something so harmless and pleasant exactly when we all needed it."

46:55 (chat) Kink shame me daddy
“Look. There’s very few— oh, okay. Yeah. Well, if you’re talking about kink-shaming... you’ll like my next dinof video? What am I saying here, what am I trying to get you to think? Don’t expect anything from this next dinof video, don’t even think about it, nothing’s relevant to anything, just expect disappointment and emptiness”
-I don’t know man, my expectations are both high and low because IDK MAN

50:15 “I just really need to gorge on popcorn, so hey after I upload this next dinof video, let’s go say I go to the cinema and just gorge on some popcorn, that sounds like a reasonable plan”
-cool so if he uploads tomorrow, then Phil will be able to talk about Get Out on Thursday

50:30 (chat) Play smash or pass
"I don’t know what that is, is that the thing where you say 'would or wouldn’t bone somebody'? Unless you’re doing that ironically, that seems like a kind of cringe thing to do”

55:40 "Let’s not tap-shame water"

56:00 (chat) What’s with you and hydration?
"Your emotional state is affected by how hydrated you are, your physical state, your energy levels. We all need a lot of water, and not all of us have as much as we should."

56:40 Adding new challenges to the 7SC app, will be asking soon for suggestions on Twitter/Facebook, idc

1:01:10 "But everyone else wants me to leave and, more importantly, Dan needs to stay hydrated, okay? I’ll need to work that into the next video, or is it already”
-

1:01:45 "Hydrate, meditate, contemplate, and try to get a mate.”
"I hope this has been relaxing and pleasant"
-it actually was, my stress levels while watching did not get raised at all this week, interesting. and yay! It's like he's only chill when least expected.
Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 43 times
Dan mentioning Phil: 43/62 minutes = 0.69 per min.

Anyway, I don’t even drink but Trump’s tax returns are imminent and I’m off to look for alcohol.

Also to get real weird for a quick second sorry: this place is great, you guys are great. Even when everybody disagrees on something it's always fun or engaging on some level reading different perspectives or just thinking about something that wouldn't have occurred to me (even things I disagree with super hard) etc. I just.
Thanks and have a great day! Oil me
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Ahh sorry Im responding late and we most likely moved on (I was in class)

fancybum I agree with the disparity and privilege straight people have as opposed to those who are part of the LGBTQ community. I feel like "coming out" is a form of alienation for those who are queer because they have to point out that they're different. No one comes out as straight but people who are LGBTQA are expected to wave their hand and tell society who they like to fuck. It doesn't seem fair and it's a construct that I, like many don't think it's necessary. But with Dan and Phil it's been a confusing ride. They were out and seemed very comfortable with that label, then suddenly they both shot up in fame and in turn used heteronormativity to step back into the glass closet. All while all their queer youtuber friends remained out and proud and dealt with the consequences. Because there are consequences of being out. Look at Tyler Oakley and Joey, they are known for being the "gay youtubers" not for their content or their personalities. Those who are out are seen first as their sexuality than their content. Also, there are some parents out there that would close their wallets and refuse to support LGBTQ people. So I understand why deppy did it, and they (unlike other youtubers) have their sexualities inexplicably tied to their relationship status. So obviously, they need to keep one a secret to keep another. But I don't get where the anxiety of coming out ever came from. Honestly, for all the time Ive spent watching them, they have never indicated any fear with presenting their sexualities. We had one cryptic tweet that Dan did where he discussed a fight with his parents, but other than that there was no indication of them ever fearing coming out or feeling forced to do so. They just did it and then when they gained a bigger fanbase kinda backtracked. Then people projected that being outed was a "fear" even tho there was no real sustainable proof for that. (I'm not saying they did it so they can sell things or be seen seriously but it is a clear privilege that comes with not being out).

The other huge problem in society is the manipulation corporations and producers do to queer relationships. It has become more of a marketing ploy to have two relatively good looking people with sexual attraction that is implied and never acted upon. And is a very sensitive and touchy topic for those who crave a real, loving relationship to be properly shown and explored in a very realistic way. In a way deppy's relationship to many seem like that. I took my friend to TATINOF, after heavily ranting about the baiting done in the Supernatural fandom and he just looked back at me (after the fanfic portion) and said "isnt this the same thing". In which I vehemnetly denied because I somehow knew about their relationshipo status and need for privacy, all of which he couldn't understand. I feel like all this normalization and "feeling more comfortable" thing is so subjective and done other the lens that theyre together, they are both in a private relationship, and both are trying to come out in their own way. But to the general fan, that has no idea of the vday video as well as all the other stuff and doesn't believe they are together, it becomes very murky. I've been talking to people in different fandoms about their perception of dan and phil and the majority of opinions are "those two white guys that people obsess over because they think theyre fucking". And yes, alot believe it's them messing with the phandom, making sexual comments like the baking video just to bait those who tend to fetisize gay relationship, all while not having any intention of clarifying or coming out. That is why I think Shane made that theory, because despite what he actually thinks, it's an opinion many seem to hold.

They are walking a thin line with their actions. Because, yes they can joke about being together, or allude to a sticky, sexual video when it's not, but to some, that is a form of manipulation. To those who aren't aware of the full extent of their relationship, stuff that they do and say CAN be perceived as two bros joking and fucking with their viewers for money. Just because we see it differently doesn't mean it's not a valid opinion. Look at Phil's recent video, he put that specific scene where he and Dan are making eye contact while milking the cow. They know the implications of that and still used it to attract people to their gaming channel. They do manipulate and monetize, there's no way to argue around that, it's just that people have different perspectives regarding whether or not they think it's okay.

I personally take the stance that if they are together and have decided to stay closeted, I fully respect that, and if they're being open and sexually jokey because it sells but also normalizing their real relationship then HOORAY!, but not everyone sees it like that. We know so much about their lives and about them as people that we feel a protectiveness towards them because we think that "they are good people who have respect for their fanbase", but for a casual fan they really do sometimes look like they are benefiting from the ambiguity and privilege of not being out.

I dont want to start a baiting discussion , but I just want to remind people that sometimes our perspectives are a projection of sort, and are spoken from a subjective stance, one that not everyone exactly shares.
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fancybum wrote::lion: Phil and Misc Watch 2017
Meditation and Hydration with your new Life Coach! (Week 10)

Prompted Phil Mention
05:05 (chat) Phil’s new video
"The AmazingPhil uploaded a new video on YT”
06:14 (chat) Phil really attracts awkward situations
“Yeah, so Phil uploaded a video last night"
"We’ve joined the gym again, and what Phil wanted was an exercise plan”
07:35 “Phil puked in his mouth, swallowed it, good times, whatever”
"Phil came back after about 17 minutes and I was like, “That was quick. Phil you’re back, why you back so quickly from the gym?" and he was just like silent. Phil’s a pretty pale guy, no offense, doesn’t go outside much, has pale skin, sometimes translucent. He was green.”
"[See-through with a tinge of green], that’s what Phil looked like. He was just kind of rocking backwards and forwards and shaking."

08:40 "Promo’ing m’pal aside, it’s just— if you’re having a bad day, go watch Phil’s last video”

09:15 (chat) Phil hit 4mil
“Yeah. I was actually like really mad when this Phil thing happened because I was there when he was on the phone to the receptionist explaining exactly what he wanted, which was for somebody to give him an exercise plan of half an hour of cardio that he could do when he went to the gym, and instead this guy basically just made him puke and then left. Like honestly I was so angry when he told me, ‘cause I was like, ‘You told the person what you wanted, what did they do?” and Phil was like, “Oh, they just ignored me and then this other thing happened.” And I was just like, ‘Ok, firstly, Phil, you need to learn to assert yourself. Secondly, gym, useless. Thirdly, Kyle, the personal trainer, what is wrong with this man? I’m scared, like I don’t want to go to this gym that Phil went to in case I see this guy and he like looks at me and like asks me to lift a tire— I don’t know, I’m traumatized."

38:50 (chat) Was he really Shrek green?
“Phil after his personal trainer incident, he did literally puke on two separate occasions in the same ten minute period. He was physically green. Traumatizing. Maybe I would have gone to that gym, but since Phil came back with that story, I’ve felt even less likely to go outside."

49:00 (chat) Poor Phil lol that would happen
“Phil attracts the weirdos, Phil is a weirdo magnet, I don’t think that’s stopping anytime soon. Other YTers, they have to sit for hours of creativity to think about things; me and Phil, the content just comes to us and all we have to do is suffer."

49:30 (chat) What’s that mess in Phil’s bedroom
(moves aside to look) "It’s a shoe and a plastic bag, how exciting”

50:45 (chat) Speaking of Phil’s fails, can you tell us the story of the first tatinof?
…”so Phil’s used to putting something down at the side of the stage, except he went over to it without looking and he fell off the stage like 6 feet onto the floor"
“Literally first tour date in America, he literally could’ve broken his leg and that would’ve just been so Dan and Phil"
(chat) Are you excited for Australia again?
Yeah, we are.
-that one sounded more sincere than last week, yay for Australia!
Unprompted Phil Mention
01:40 "The AmazingPhil hit 4M YT subscribers. Wow, took long enough, amirite? Catch up mate. No, but you know, that’s good, so thanks— to, to him— thanks— Thanks? What am I on about? What— for existing? making YT videos? Whatever. Guess you’re the people that subscribed.”
-thanking people for subscribing because Phil’s subs are their subs. Off to a great start

02:48 “But yup, Phil hit the big 4-M. Which stands for 4 million, not something else that that could stand for."

26:05 “I was working on the video that I’m uploading. I was looking out of the window in the “office" in mine and Phil’s apartment, and on the other side of the glass” [was a bumblebee, it was dead, etc]
-why did he air-quote office? seemed weird. Do they usually say gaming room? I feel like they use both interchangeably.

52:55 “I watch rodent videos on YT sometimes”
"so I was talking to Phil who’s like a weirdo that breeds rodents, I’m sure you all know this, and apparently guinea pigs aren’t the best pets because they’re just very scared all the time and they scream"
-talking to Phil about pets, I see

53:35 “To be honest, if something’s scared all the time and screams and cries when you interact with it, that sounds like me and I feel like I really need it"
"Maybe Phil just inspired fear in all of his rodents, who knows"

53:55 (chat) Tell Phil to sue the trainer
(laughs) "For what? For inspiring a YT video? Amazing."
54:25 (chat) What was the trainer’s name
“Kyle."
54:50 (chat) Phil said it was Leon
"I don’t know. Either— did I change it, or did Ph— I mean, Phil probably changed it. Or was it another guy? Don’t listen to me.”
-doxxing people up in here
Neutral Phil Mention
03:05 “I had some pals that I haven’t seen in a very long time. Me and Phil went to a sushi restaurant with them"

24:00 “Me and Phil have told you— there’s lots of YT conventions these days."
"Me and Phil, we have plans- he has a family holiday, there’s various things happening [etc.]"
"'Phil and I' said Linda E. Whatever. Me and Phil have confirmed that this year we are going to Playlist Live in Florida"
"So to people in Florida that want to come see us, we have realized that we’re free, so we are going to Playlist Live in Florida"

39:20 “If you’re somebody that likes funny Dan and Phil videos but you don’t necessarily like gaming, you’re not about that nerdy shit tbh, you will like the last video we uploaded"
"Phil did it. The sheer panic Phil was exuding trying not to die. He couldn’t even concentrate on saying anything funny, he wasn’t even sitting up straight”
-does he ever

40:45 “So go watch the gaming channel for some casual Dan and Phil fun”
Miscellaneous
10:25 “My next dinof video should be coming very very soon, I think probably tomorrow or the day after. It would have been sooner but a certain guy made a promise - which you should never do on the internet - involving some cat gifs and convinced me to let him use the editing computer for a bit. When 2 YTers live in the same house, you should probably have more than one editing computer, there’s lots of issues we probably need to work on. But let’s just say a lot of cat gifs were posted, there was a lot of peer pressure going on, whatever.”
(chat) Any spoilers for us?
It’s a video that I feel like I needed to make for myself. Um. Yes. To distract me. It’s one that a lot of people have been peer-pressuring me for awhile that I've kind of forgot. I think it’s time.”
-HMMMMMMM have people been peer pressuring for the dentist? furry? I literally don’t know. All I know is nobody is peer pressuring him for more ISG. Except for maybe George.

16:25 (after hair rambling) “Or maybe there doesn’t need to be any expectations. Maybe I can straighten my hair next week, and that’s okay. We can all change our minds. We can all change what we like. Who we are. How we want to present ourselves. And that’s okay."


18:35 (to plug dini) “Like honestly, this changed my life: YTer’s that upload really long casual videos that are kind of like podcasts or livechats, like a lot of youtubers like Markiplier, Lily Singh, do liveshows and put them on YT, and that’s my favourite thing to watch or have open on my laptop while getting ready in the morning.”
-aw

PROMPTED PJ MENTION heh
19:17 (chat) What do you think of kickthepj?
“I don’t know who that is, but he sounds like a dick with no talent.”

20:22 (chat) How do I fullscreen you, the comments are stressing me out
The comments are you, they’re your kin, they’re your- I don’t know. Can you? I’m not on the app right now. rip you.”
-reads out a comment about the chat being stressful. was it the most subtle drag of all to people spamming about Shane, or is that wishful thinking on my part

29:10 “I’ve had a challenging week. Oh, this last ten days… It’s kind of funny. Remind me to tell you about this week in about 5 months, okay? Somebody make a note 'in 5 months say: hey what about that week in March?’"
-so mid-August? When is their lease up?

29:30 - 33:15 [Hilarious grandma/queen of my vagina story that just needs to be heard as told]

32:40 Wants to change the title of his piano video, the caps lock bothers him
-k do it then. that’s taking overthinking to new heights. it’s already got 2M views so who cares.

33:20 (chat) Dan I’m scared for my first date today
“The person you’re on the date with is probably just as terrified. People are super awkward all the time. Just go in, be yourself, and if the other person likes you when you’re being yourself, that’s good. And if not, that’s fine. There’s like 7 billion people, you’ll find somebody that likes you when you’re just being yourself."
(chat) Love is a social construct
“Hmm. Is love a social construct? Well, I mean, it’s this whole thing that has a lot of connotations to it, doesn’t it, love? But it’s also a feeling; something more than sexual attraction, isn’t it? What is it? Is it a social construct or is it something that you feel? I feel like it’s probably a combination of that ‘cause what is the feeling? You know what I mean? I feel like people’s terrifying fear and anxiousness that they get from being alone— when you don’t have that, it’s probably comforting. So it’s probably the fear of that person not being there mixed with sexual attraction and just... I dunno. But it’s definitely—
(chat) Oxytocin
"Indeed. Perhaps.”
(chat) Love is genuine / It’s wrapped up in layers of constructs
“I agree with you. Oh my god look at these comments, they’re so articulate."
(chat) It’s not a social construct / It’s real / Some people never find it
“Wow. I guess some people might never find it. You could though, it’s fine.”
-I feel like he was into that topic, not shying away from it at all or uncomfortable and very willingly just talking out his own thoughts on it (from his own experiences). nice little moment.
(disclaimer: not sure what comment he directed his 'I agree with you at', it's not necessarily what's written out here as he was reading a bunch)

35:40 “I love Lorde. Do you love Lorde? You should.”
36:05 “She’s just a very poetic songwriter. She’s a unique performer with a refreshing voice in today’s pop scene and just seems like a nice person. Indeed."

38:08 (ostensibly a comment related to Steven Universe..) "Honestly, fans, you can’t take anything they say seriously"

38:45 (chat) lmao Haru chilling in the background
“Who’s that? Don’t know what you’re on about”
-are we doing this again

41:30 "Dan, talk more about music, said Tommy"
-I call shenanigans, but the chat is all about Shane so I’ll allow it. The man can bring up his own topics however he likes and I’ll stop being a tool about it. At least until George comes back.

46:25 Yuri On Ice: "It blessed us and it saved us all and it gave us something so harmless and pleasant exactly when we all needed it."

46:55 (chat) Kink shame me daddy
“Look. There’s very few— oh, okay. Yeah. Well, if you’re talking about kink-shaming... you’ll like my next dinof video? What am I saying here, what am I trying to get you to think? Don’t expect anything from this next dinof video, don’t even think about it, nothing’s relevant to anything, just expect disappointment and emptiness”
-I don’t know man, my expectations are both high and low because IDK MAN

50:15 “I just really need to gorge on popcorn, so hey after I upload this next dinof video, let’s go say I go to the cinema and just gorge on some popcorn, that sounds like a reasonable plan”
-cool so if he uploads tomorrow, then Phil will be able to talk about Get Out on Thursday

50:30 (chat) Play smash or pass
"I don’t know what that is, is that the thing where you say 'would or wouldn’t bone somebody'? Unless you’re doing that ironically, that seems like a kind of cringe thing to do”

55:40 "Let’s not tap-shame water"

56:00 (chat) What’s with you and hydration?
"Your emotional state is affected by how hydrated you are, your physical state, your energy levels. We all need a lot of water, and not all of us have as much as we should."

56:40 Adding new challenges to the 7SC app, will be asking soon for suggestions on Twitter/Facebook, idc

1:01:10 "But everyone else wants me to leave and, more importantly, Dan needs to stay hydrated, okay? I’ll need to work that into the next video, or is it already”
-

1:01:45 "Hydrate, meditate, contemplate, and try to get a mate.”
"I hope this has been relaxing and pleasant"
-it actually was, my stress levels while watching did not get raised at all this week, interesting. and yay! It's like he's only chill when least expected.
Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 43 times
Dan mentioning Phil: 43/62 minutes = 0.69 per min.

Anyway, I don’t even drink but Trump’s tax returns are imminent and I’m off to look for alcohol.

Also to get real weird for a quick second sorry: this place is great, you guys are great. Even when everybody disagrees on something it's always fun or engaging on some level reading different perspectives or just thinking about something that wouldn't have occurred to me (even things I disagree with super hard) etc. I just.
oh wow, thanks for this! i'm at work so i can't watch it yet - but it's fine to be here hah - and it's really nice to hear about dan's pov on what happened because i feels, like, although phil's gonna talk about it, it's probably going to be more upbeat and phil-like, if that makes sense. and, honestly, i relate to phil so much because i've done loads of things just because i'm not assertive enough to say no. it's one of the reasons why i mostly lurk: i'm not scared of interacting with people but terrified of what those people might expect from me.

also i live to the fullest every time dan mentions phil. dan could probably run a phil update account, although really, doesn't he already?
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I liked Dan's music rant surprisingly but how could he forget Miike Snow when naming Swedish electropop bands?? Also if he really appreciated music for originality (I'm not judging because that's also a big factor for me) then he really should/needs to pay respect to the ORIGINAL original alternative band the velvet underground because it doesn't get more pretentious original than that. Join the dark side, Danny. (But seriously if I could rant to Dan about one thing it would be why he needs to at least respect the significance of the velvet underground and nico and how progressive it is even to today's standards)

Dan's love rant was also VERY interesting because he seemed to really disagree with love being a social construct. He obviously talked about it in debate format but I took that as him trying to see the other side/not have too strong of an opinion on something (especially because people will automatically project his view onto phan). It's especially interesting because on most subjects he seems to have a much more cynical attitude, but with love he seemed to really wonder what it is and how it can't be a social construct because it's a feeling. What a hopeless romantic.
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it's not the first time he talked about too, i vaguely remember there was a ls where someone in the chat said that love doesn't exist and (i think) he called them a cynic. i can't for remember what ls it was tho.
also this answer where he literally called someone stupid for asking if he believes in love, lol.
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yuanyangty wrote: I speak Chinese (though the text might be in Japanese), and the first two characters are 丹尼 (dān ní), or "Danny". The last one is a bit blurry so I can't really tell, but I'm guessing it probably isn't anything of interest.

But yeah, now that I've made my lil "contribution", back into the murky depths of lurking I go
Yeah I second this. The sign is probably just a direct translation of Daniel's room - it should read "Danny's room" or something to that effect - I can't see the last word clearly either.

I went to see Dan's last LS video on YT and the top comments are all petitioning for them to get a dog - which again, is something I really don't understand. I mean, it's okay to say oh I hope they get a dog. But what's with all the "GET A DOG!!" and immense desire for these two men to buy a dog?? Doesn't an animal have lots of needs that they probably don't have time for etc. and they have explained so many times that they are renting the flat and the landlord doesn't allow pets? I kind of understand Dan's ken doll rant now. I know he's an adult but it mustn't be easy to have all these things virtually shouted at you all the time.

Also Dan really has to ditch his ideas of an "April video" etc. which stalls his productivity big-time.
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yuanyangty wrote:
dannonfill wrote: So this is totally irrelevant to everything, but I’m wondering if anyone here can translate the characters on Dan’s door sign. Yep. Saw it in the ls, never noticed it before! So I can tell it says 'DANIEL'S ROOM', but I can't read whichever language that is on the bottom. Just curious if any of y'all can read it. It's probably something stupidly obvious like 'Daniel's room', but yeah.
(I know it's not a good picture but I couldn't find one other shot of it in Dan's videos so)
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I speak Chinese (though the text might be in Japanese), and the first two characters are 丹尼 (dān ní), or "Danny". The last one is a bit blurry so I can't really tell, but I'm guessing it probably isn't anything of interest.

But yeah, now that I've made my lil "contribution", back into the murky depths of lurking I go
Welcome! Fellow Chinese speaker here:) I think the last word is 奧(ao) which makes the three Chinese characters a direct translation of 'Daniel'
Nothing more to say so I'll just shut up
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Whereisvinci wrote:
yuanyangty wrote:
dannonfill wrote: So this is totally irrelevant to everything, but I’m wondering if anyone here can translate the characters on Dan’s door sign. Yep. Saw it in the ls, never noticed it before! So I can tell it says 'DANIEL'S ROOM', but I can't read whichever language that is on the bottom. Just curious if any of y'all can read it. It's probably something stupidly obvious like 'Daniel's room', but yeah.
(I know it's not a good picture but I couldn't find one other shot of it in Dan's videos so)
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I speak Chinese (though the text might be in Japanese), and the first two characters are 丹尼 (dān ní), or "Danny". The last one is a bit blurry so I can't really tell, but I'm guessing it probably isn't anything of interest.

But yeah, now that I've made my lil "contribution", back into the murky depths of lurking I go
Welcome! Fellow Chinese speaker here:) I think the last word is 奧(ao) which makes the three Chinese characters a direct translation of 'Daniel'
Of course it just says Daniel Thank you all!
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With the whole "get a dog" thing and the virtual shouting... Sometimes I feel bad for Dan [like when someone accuses him of queerbaiting and when people hound him about his sexuality, for instance] and sometimes I just don't. I hate to play the who-has-it-harder game but there are people who wake up in the morning, go to a job they hate, go pick up their kid, go to another job they hate, come home, and pass out. Because that's all they can do to keep a roof over their heads and food in their bellies.
Something tells me that having to endure a bunch of teenagers shouting "get a dog!" at you isn't the worst thing in the world. Of course Dan can want the audience he wants and talk about the things he wants and yeah there's a lot of pressure in being in the public eye a lot but still. :gg:
However something tells me that even if Dan had his dream job he'd still be unhappy because he'd over-think the whole thing.

The phandom is full of people who take jokes or trendy things and then up them to the maximum level until they die out. I'm sure deppy knows this by now. If anyone is upset about the whole "get a dog" thing it's probably Phil because he's never had a dog and he is probably legitimately sad that he isn't at a place in his life where he can have a dog. Guy loves animals and he's never even had a dog.
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flurry wrote:I went to see Dan's last LS video on YT and the top comments are all petitioning for them to get a dog - which again, is something I really don't understand. I mean, it's okay to say oh I hope they get a dog. But what's with all the "GET A DOG!!" and immense desire for these two men to buy a dog?? Doesn't an animal have lots of needs that they probably don't have time for etc. and they have explained so many times that they are renting the flat and the landlord doesn't allow pets? I kind of understand Dan's ken doll rant now. I know he's an adult but it mustn't be easy to have all these things virtually shouted at you all the time.
I don't think the 'get a dog' fits in with the ken doll metaphor at all. Dan and Phil actively, constantly put out there that they really want a dog by talking nonstop about dogs. They're also constantly saying they can't have a dog right now but want one in the future. Given that the majority of phandom seems pretty sure they're moving in the next year, in my mind I see those two as sort of going hand in hand.

('Move!' is another demand that I find amusing, because a) no one is actually going to move just because fans tell them to, b) it's also something they find ways to constantly reference in a lowkey manner, and c) when brought up by fans they always just laugh and never outright say they aren't planning on it. Though if it turns out they've just been relocation-baiting us.... tsk tsk.)
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[offtopic]1:40[/offtopic]
Regarding the debate on Deppy being private/their fans ruining everything and running it into the ground, this YouTuber Stef talks about that at 1:40 and I thought of the Deppy situation so it's not just them. She even says she wouldn't want to share a relationship or play video games which I think Dan in particular would relate to. She's very eloquent with topics like this so I'm glad she just made this video while we're talking about it! It was interesting.
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alittledizzy wrote:
flurry wrote:I went to see Dan's last LS video on YT and the top comments are all petitioning for them to get a dog - which again, is something I really don't understand. I mean, it's okay to say oh I hope they get a dog. But what's with all the "GET A DOG!!" and immense desire for these two men to buy a dog?? Doesn't an animal have lots of needs that they probably don't have time for etc. and they have explained so many times that they are renting the flat and the landlord doesn't allow pets? I kind of understand Dan's ken doll rant now. I know he's an adult but it mustn't be easy to have all these things virtually shouted at you all the time.
I don't think the 'get a dog' fits in with the ken doll metaphor at all. Dan and Phil actively, constantly put out there that they really want a dog by talking nonstop about dogs. They're also constantly saying they can't have a dog right now but want one in the future. Given that the majority of phandom seems pretty sure they're moving in the next year, in my mind I see those two as sort of going hand in hand.

('Move!' is another demand that I find amusing, because a) no one is actually going to move just because fans tell them to, b) it's also something they find ways to constantly reference in a lowkey manner, and c) when brought up by fans they always just laugh and never outright say they aren't planning on it. Though if it turns out they've just been relocation-baiting us.... tsk tsk.)
I love how they (I'm pretty convinced by now) intentionally planted the seeds for the moving discussion, as well as the "get a dog" one. I can still remember the first time Dan started with the storage complains and the idea that they might want to move got shut down as overly reaching by a lot of people here and on other platforms. And now it feels as if it's something the fandom demands of them. Also the mentions of dogs skyrocket in the last few months. And in the end they can say "as you know, we clearly need to move also you guys seems to want it so bad"
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Amiaw wrote:Sorry for the OT question but I've noticed that both Hannah and Hector haven't drawn/animated deppy it awhile. Do you think they are losing interest or do you think that maybe deppy asked them to stop?
[offtopic]Sorry I don't have an actual answer, because I don't fully know lol, but Hector tweeting about going to San Francisco just reminded me that he did say something vague in a liveshow recently. He's going to SF for something art-related? I think? And said in the liveshow that he would be posting art less on Twitter because of it.. which sucks but also is probably good for him, maybe he's got some kind of specific art.. contract.. thing? With a company? This is the least helpful thing ever, but basically it does sound like he has something going on. (And Hannah I know nothing about). Maybe somebody else has actual details? Art people? idk, I tried. I don't think it's about losing interest though because he pops up in like every liveshow except the one from yesterday. Maybe he was packing.[/offtopic]
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dan wrote:Like honestly I was so angry when he told me, ‘cause I was like, ‘You told the person what you wanted, what did they do?” and Phil was like, “Oh, they just ignored me and then this other thing happened.” And I was just like, ‘Ok, firstly, Phil, you need to learn to assert yourself. Secondly, gym, useless. Thirdly, Kyle, the personal trainer, what is wrong with this man? I’m scared, like I don’t want to go to this gym that Phil went to in case I see this guy and he like looks at me and like asks me to lift a tire— I don’t know, I’m traumatized."
I don't know if it was the shipper heart in me but after the bolded part, I am thinking he might say he want to punch the man but he only say he is traumatized.

Things that I want to highlight is his tone when retelling the story from his perspective. I like how he is angry on behalf of phil. I also like the soft tone he use when he ask 'what happened?' You know how when you see something so cute you don't know what to do with yourself and want to squeeze something? That's how I feel.
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fancybum wrote:
Amiaw wrote:Sorry for the OT question but I've noticed that both Hannah and Hector haven't drawn/animated deppy it awhile. Do you think they are losing interest or do you think that maybe deppy asked them to stop?
[offtopic]Sorry I don't have an actual answer, because I don't fully know lol, but Hector tweeting about going to San Francisco just reminded me that he did say something vague in a liveshow recently. He's going to SF for something art-related? I think? And said in the liveshow that he would be posting art less on Twitter because of it.. which sucks but also is probably good for him, maybe he's got some kind of specific art.. contract.. thing? With a company? This is the least helpful thing ever, but basically it does sound like he has something going on. (And Hannah I know nothing about). Maybe somebody else has actual details? Art people? idk, I tried. I don't think it's about losing interest though because he pops up in like every liveshow except the one from yesterday. Maybe he was packing.[/offtopic]
I think Hector last @Phil about two weeks ago. This:
Since then, as fancybum says he's been busy, and has only posted original art. He has other committments and isn't soley a phandom artist.

Hannah's been vlogging and making videos for 3 years apparently, so she wasn't always relying on Deppy. I feel that she wants to move away from drawing them, so she can attract a larger audience rather than only appealing to the same 100K people. However, I do believe it was the phandom's attention that brought her subscriber count up significantly. Then she won something as an up and coming maker to go and work on video making with other people there (?) I think she's on to big and better things and frankly I just don't think she cares, she's got her numbers up and can now make the content she wants.

I don't think deppy would ask them to stop? They aren't the illuminati they can't threaten people. Hector strongly hinted that the rather controversial drawing he did of Dan and the Bee was sent to Dan upon his request. So I doubt deppy were at all offended. And Hannah just did fluffy, inoffensive animations.
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Regarding Hector or Hannah, I also recall Deppy praising an animation Hannah made about Dil's wedding on Twitter so
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Hi everyone, just de-lurking here :)
Do you think by "fear of the person not being there" he meant death or just the person not being with him?
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