Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

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fancy_nancy wrote:Poor Phil hahah that has happened to me more than once and it's awful.
alittledizzy wrote:I can't say vomit stories are exactly my favorite
says the person who has written a fic about Phil vomiting after the Harry Potter ride hope this doesn't come across as mean, I love your fics dizzy
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I have no argument in response to that..




(So maybe I'll write fic about this one too.)
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Timestamps for Phil's video:
0:45 “ready to start OUR new healthy LIFES”
ehhhhh, where’s Dan’s involvement in the gym? Were you the guinea pig
1.00 I can’t believe he’s using the pastel edits wig for the character lmao, is this Dan’s alter pastel ego? Is he also a gym buff?
1. 26 where’s Phil’s ass?
1.28 Phil complaining about weird feet people wanting pictures of his feet online? Jokes on him, he delivers it himself [me taking screenshot]
2.53 “I wanted death.” And side eyed soft chuckle. Things like this remind me of when people discuss whether Phil engages in Dan’s negativity and pessimistic outlook on life, something like this reminds me of how much he genuinely is like Dan in personality, more than people realize.
3.14 I really want to see Phil doing a burpee. I confirm, they’re hell, I would rather go jogging for an hour straight than do only twenty.
3.20 “He get’s into, like, a press up position on the floor and kicks his legs forward and back like a frog on loads of drugs, and then he asks me to get down on the floor with him. And obviously being Phil, I do.” Who needs context?? Also, this is a good prompt for a fic, just sayin’.
4.50 I like that Phil visualizes the universe as a giant Unicorn. Very Stephen King-esque of him.
5.03 I like that Phil is very open about Leon, the hunky personal trainer. I ship it.
6.00 He describes sitting on the floor and trying to recover “emotionally and physically”, this sounds stupid but I kind of wish he would go into more detail with this kind of self-anguish, it’s the kind of thing Dan would detail for about five minutes and I wish he would seriously get into the nitty-gritty of it. I share mutual feelings of pain and emotional wear after experiences like this and I wish he would detail his experiences. Still, it’s interesting to hear Phil make a statement, expressing an outlook that isn’t bubbly, cringe or wowwwwwww wasn’t that somethinggggg? Kind of emotion. Instead here, he mentions being upset, feeling vulnerable. Break down those doors, Philly.
6.22 “traumatized for the rest of my life” So this happens after your birthday, so sometime in February It’s still March. Phil you absolute drama queen.


I found that this video is kind of experimenting in the broad, character and scene set-up that Dan might do. I like that Phil found the limit, while I think Dan would have pushed certain aspects. Either overproduce and over detail certain scenes, and go into too much detail in the nitty gritty aspects. Let’s be honest, if Dan had done the same story, it would be twenty minutes long. Whether Phil will keep up this style, or revert back to his typical vlogs, time will tell. Still, he hasn’t done a video completely dependent on a story in quite some time, hasn’t he? The only other “story-time” videos he has done, were prefaced with shorter instances, context, or an assortment of small moments like “I did this…” and “this is what I got…”

I find it interesting, whenever he does characters of other guys, he always makes a point of showing how stereotypically “manly” they are, with the fake abs, lifting weights, being totally ripped. While he does describe the guys as “hunky” I can tell he feels a little intimidated and alienated by them, usually giving them a back handed compliment of saying how great they look, but usually showing them as kind of self-absorbed, constantly lifting weights and acting dense.

His room is slowly emptying. We will think that he is moving out, but instead everything remains the same, but it’s just an empty white room and he’ll be doing everything Poppy style.

Finally: his geometric bird shirt is amazing.
/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:Forgive me if this is off topic or if its already been addressed, but I've been noticing a youtuber named "LazyJamie" reacting to Dan and Phil videos and he posts these constantly. It honestly seems he's just using the Phandom to try to get views...
What's the general consensus among phans about this guy? I'm not crazy about him.
I don't watch him personally, but it sounds as if he realized that the phandom brings easy views. The problem now is that he has pigeon-holed himself, by reacting to deppy. The phandom can be both a blessing and a curse, in a way.
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Pretty appalled at Shane's video. Even though I hardly watch any YTers apart from Deppy, I believe accusing someone of queer baiting, among other things, to a audience of millions is a low and morally wrong thing to do anyway. But I don't think even Dan would acknowledge it in any way, because it doesn't deserve any more attention.

Loved Phil's video so much He looked lovely as always, and despite the vomit mention, it did feel like a relaxing and entertaining story to me
#Reasons why Phil's a fail: couldn't say no to cute muscly personal trainers

Dan's lil promo tweet was adorable
I wonder if the selfie of Phil that went viral when they returned from IOM was the day of this traumatising event. If so, I can sympathise with Phil not looking too happy about the photo.

Also noticed someone on tumblr pointing out how the chest in the background seems significantly more barren
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Edit: 000dia000 you pointed it out too. Loved your timestamps :D
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Didn't Phil move a bunch of stuff in the pastel edits video to make the background more soft? Could it be that he never put the stuff back?
Not sure of what he removed or if we've seen the dresser since the pastel edits video but
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What's the over/under on the dinner Dan is going to tomorrow (that he has mentioned he hopes he can make it back from in time) conveniently running late and forcing him to skip the liveshow to give the current events another week to die down?
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NoOneWantsATortoise wrote:What's the over/under on the dinner Dan is going to tomorrow (that he has mentioned he hopes he can make it back from in time) conveniently running late and forcing him to skip the liveshow to give the current events another week to die down?
Ha! I think he's more likely to flake out due to his failure to upload a main channel vid.
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i hope danny boi does a live show tomorrow but if not i will completely understand after what shane pulled. dont get me wrong, i love watching shane eat food and his occasional videos on murders and last meals for prisoners, stuff like that, but what he did in the video he made today was..bad. he probably has some sort of..bitter grudge against them or..something for some reason. :sideeye:
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I didnt find out until recently, but apparently dnp used to do live streams in 2009-2010 on this website called blogtv, but the live shows were never recorded by the website, unless someone personally recorded it. did anyone happen to capture those precious fetus days?
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Viofish wrote:I didnt find out until recently, but apparently dnp used to do live streams in 2009-2010 on this website called blogtv, but the live shows were never recorded by the website, unless someone personally recorded it. did anyone happen to capture those precious fetus days?
Omg how have u never heard this??? Now I need to see it lol

Regarding Phil's new video, I thought it was SO funny!! His videos are getting so much funnier lately and I love it (although I loved them before too)

I also find it interesting that Dan is putting off uploading the video that's "kind of a big deal but also not" or whatever he said. I wonder if he's having problems changing his username or if he's chickening out on something? I'm sure it's no big deal but I am curious. (Still need to bleach my eyeballs after that Shane video though.. wtf
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Viofish wrote:I didnt find out until recently, but apparently dnp used to do live streams in 2009-2010 on this website called blogtv, but the live shows were never recorded by the website, unless someone personally recorded it. did anyone happen to capture those precious fetus days?
Whaaat? Where did you hear this?
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secretagentphan wrote:
Viofish wrote:I didnt find out until recently, but apparently dnp used to do live streams in 2009-2010 on this website called blogtv, but the live shows were never recorded by the website, unless someone personally recorded it. did anyone happen to capture those precious fetus days?
Omg how have u never heard this??? Now I need to see it lol

Regarding Phil's new video, I thought it was SO funny!! His videos are getting so much funnier lately and I love it (although I loved them before too)

I also find it interesting that Dan is putting off uploading the video that's "kind of a big deal but also not" or whatever he said. I wonder if he's having problems changing his username or if he's chickening out on something? I'm sure it's no big deal but I am curious. (Still need to bleach my eyeballs after that Shane video though.. wtf


yeah Shane basically just stating that they were queer baiting , or "doing it because they thought it was funny" doesn't really help the situation of dan and phils relationship. {lets not even start with Shane, literally the biggest queer baiter, cough cough him and Joey... and drew}

and even though he put a disclaimer at the beginning of the video, I still think its weird how he was talking about dan and phil, all while using the most basic and just wrongly ordered evidence. that video makes me violently cringe
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i was prepared to be scandalized by shane's video but that video was literally just a shitpost. considering his track record of actually outing fellow gay youtubers multiple times and revealing non-public info about relationships, the phan conspiracy was as harmless as it can get. i think sometimes people in the phandom tend to forget that to the outside world phan is just another youtube fake ship, regardless of their actual status, and that video really didn't do anything to prove otherwise.

that said, i bet dan is happy he prepared an excuse for bailing on the ls, now he has more than enough reasons to sit it out.

phil's vid was cute, i'm sad it got overshadowed by shane's trainwreck of a video.
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Philena wrote:
NoOneWantsATortoise wrote:What's the over/under on the dinner Dan is going to tomorrow (that he has mentioned he hopes he can make it back from in time) conveniently running late and forcing him to skip the liveshow to give the current events another week to die down?
Ha! I think he's more likely to flake out due to his failure to upload a main channel vid.
He might be actually be late or worst flake coz the dinner is most likely for Wirrow's birthday.

Before I rant about Shane I will praise Phil's video first coz priorities. I loved it of course. Not only because it a SOLO AMAZINGPHIL VIDEO but also because it was really good. I love Phil's stories coz he knows how to tell a story. Hiw acting was not cringy at all. I noticed that this video has better editing compared to his last videos. It was snappy. There was a build-up. Write story books for children, Phil.

Also, I found another jumper of Phil that I want to purchase or steal other than the owl jumper. That dove jumper has a good mix of Dan and Phil.

Lastly, I just want to say that trainer should be fired. If you are in a group session, I would understand if he did that. I mean you don't know the limitation of everyone in the group. But if you are in a private session, you should sense if the other person is not feeling well. Why didn't he asked Phil what he likes? That like the #1 rule of costumer service.

SHANE!! FIRST OF ALL, for someone who made a crying coming out video, he is insensitive/irresposible. If he was really upset of coming out ( I don't think he was coz I really see him as a trash for views.), he should know how it feels to be in the closet. Regardless whether Dan and Phil are really in a relationship.m, he should have known better. I really see these kind of people as a disgrace to the LGBTQ community. But as I've said. He is a trash for views. Second, plaigarism????!!! Dude, kids on tumblr have better conspiracy theories than that. Third, queerbaiting??? Do I need to send him all of his videos with Onionboy and other guys he collabed with? Not because you are gay you have a free pass to queerbait. Besides, he has a lot of those kinds of videos even before he came out. Last, he is a trash. I already know that but I thought he will be professional with the people he technically work with AND MET IRL. This is why I believe everything Onionboy said about him coz they are basically the same person. I wish he will not need Deppy's help in the future coz those boys' approval are difficult to achieve.

I now want a Dan rant like what he did to Onionboy but for Shane. But I'd rather not have him acknowledge Shane's existence.
sorry I sound so angry. I just hate hypocrites. I hate when LGBTQ people put down other people. Just because you are out don't mean you a hero. Also, my brother made me wait standing up for 3hrs under the sun without sleep.
On a lighter note, Deppy got featured again. This time on a Russian news. Out of all their good content, their cartridge video got the most publicity. I wish this will open the doors to more casual viewers. #HelpThemBuyAHouse Also, I want to thank oqua for this video. If you want to be happy watch Phil's video and this #DanAndPhilGetADog
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Shane's vid:
My knee-jerk reaction to the transcript and thoughts posted here was 'how dare he'. After watching the clip...that was nothing. absolutely nothing bad. IN MY OPINION, Shane made the entire segment very tongue in cheek, he's practically laughing at the end when he says 'they're just messing with the fans'. So no, I did not take it as him 1. trying to force a confession, 2. outing them, 3. making them out to be monsters that have baited their audience for 6 yrs, 4. he doesn't actually reveal what he really thinks about phan, 5. it's a skit.
I found it one of the better tin-hat parodies I've seen ytbers do. Phan is a tough one to cover, but kudos to Shane for making it work. Still won't watch his vids, not for me, but this one, nothing offensive, I think.

Phil in the gym:
I am older than Phil, so I can say poor kid. Tire turnovers and burpies are probably not a good place for a novice to start off with, so that's a major eff-up. Loved the dressing up and characters.
On a more general note: He looks happy.
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Hello my dear idbers, Ive been busy but Phil's video was amazing and I just wanted to say that (Also this post is dedicated to vincentian for convincing me to post here) Okay the video was one of my favorite AP videos in a while, the whole skits, the casual tone he carried throughout the video and the captivating blue eyes in that gorgeous dove sweater. Yup, I have rewatched the video about 4 times and still love it as much.

His cosplay as Leon just made him look like this adorable cheerleader and his sarcasm throughout had me laughing also hard. Also, as a gymaholic, I can attest that personal trainers usually suck at listening to you and Phil being Phil is honestly too awkward to say anything so I understand. Everything about the story made me cringe but also feel very bad that it happened to him. I kinda want to slap his wrist for eating a big meal before working out because that's a big no-no and I'm also sad that we will never get to see Phil in all his sculpted beauty (like seriously, if the trainer made him do squats imagine the results...JUST IMAGINE)

The Shane video left me inexplicably confused and annoyed. First off confused because it didn't make sense so Shane to make this video. If it was him being a thirsty bitch for views he would have thumbnailed them and made the title clickbaity as hell but he didn't. He also didn't delve into other aspects of the phan mystery such as the "early lubegate" and even vday, both which can be found with a simple google search of phan and both of which he's probably aware of. So what exactly was his intention? He was going to lose the phandom's support and even get blacklisted by Dan and Phil, so why take such a ballsy gutsy move and not spill everything for the world to see? It just doesn't make sense to me. Shane is not a random, he has been a part of youtube as long as Phil has and despite the sexual comments he's made about Dan, he's never touched upon their relationship in such way (he's hinted yes, but never taken it to this level). What's more bothersome is that people are actually agreeing, and him saying that confirms it. If they aren't together I don't disagree that they are doing a huge bit of fanservice, all of which I perceive as trying to allude to a more ambiguous relationship, and all while staying in the closet. But queerbaiting is just not the appropriate term since they never implied homoeroticism as a unit, moreso slowly hinting at male attractions individually. (blueapple_x made a great post about the difference between fanservice, shipbaiting, and queerbaiting!!)

The thing is deppy have been walking a very thin line and I cant help but feel like alot of youtubers have a deep disdain and annoyance for the way they have carried themselves. Two guys who were around as long as anyone else, both out of the closet, suddenly jumping back in and denying everything and then still benefiting from an "ambiguous" relationship (something no one can really deny). Now a lot of their recent behavior may be to perception, but I can't help but think youtuber friends like Jimmy and Chris who are out and have to deal with the consequences of being out feel like they're doing somewhat of a disservice. It's not the expectation to come out, because no one should be subjected to that, but there's a huge disconnect between the people dan and phil were in the past and now and their genuinity (i dont think this is a word but im making it one shhh) may have been lost in many of the old youtubers eyes. Shane, someone who did come out as bisexual after struggling with the label and its negative connotations, may have felt some of that. I don't think he was forcing them out of the closet, more confronting them about their ambiguous ways which they are benefiting from. It felt to me more like a challenge from him, to see how they would respond, more than a cry for attention. Because there are many ways Shane could get attention, and I dont think taking on deppy head to head would be the smartest unless he thought about it for a long time and decided to throw it all for this statement (again I may be overthinking this ) (Also this is NOT me defending him, more trying to understand why he would do such a thing)

Now that it's been done, I wish he did provide a more fair argument for this conspiracy theory because it is one of the more prevalent and influential theories in Youtube. It's something that's been discussed for over 7 years so he should have at least done his full research instead of giving some half-ass tweets and trying to be funny. I felt like he did a disservice and lost a good chunk of people that were still rooting for him and still didn't win in the end, and I can't say I feel bad for him.
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Love Phils videos!! I always adore when he does skits and plays other people in these.
It felt sightly more Dinof-style to me? I know they tend to use the same editing style and sound effects more and more, but this one especially? But that may be only because of the end, which was very Dan-like "slap a self depreciating morale of the story onto it" (though Dan whould have exaggurated all of this ten times more, I agree )

Anyway one more point for the conspiracy theory of them being one two-bodied being with 3 youtube channels.


On that note... Shane. I have to admit he's a guilty pleasure of mine, and I was wondering when this day would come (phan is one of the biggest conspiracies on the internet after all).
All of his videos are expremely swallow and often copied from other people and so judging from his content he's either too lazy or not capable of actual research. He's more of an entertainer than a theorist, which is fine, but I also don't think he does a lot of strategically planning of how to present stuff and what impact that might have.

What happened imo: Shane wanted to do a YT conspiracy video, probably because he'd like to talk about theories about himself (he's self-centered like that, and also that was the best part of the video) but he realized he'd have to address Phan in one way or another. So he focused on the shallow, "conspiracy"-like hints (blurry pictures instead of more solid circumstential evidence like Deppy living together and being single for 8 years etc) so that it fits with the rest of the ridiculous theories. It's true that phan stands out in the video because it's just so much more real than any of the other stuff he presents. Theories about them being paid actors or Phil secretly having a wife and kids would have been more fitting for this video (hey Shane, we have a whole thread for this. Feel free to steal there)
And as a conclusion he threw in the "they are fucking with us" as his way of a final opt-out a la "nah, it's just a joke" because he realized he might get in trouble with Deppy after all. Not the best way to do it, but I don't think he's even aware he practically accused them of queerbaiting and all the consequences of that.

What is that quote? "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"?

Now as a casual viewer of his I'm more interested in how he actually approaches his conspiracy videos. Does he even believe any of that shit? Even though the stuff he presents can mostly be debunked by a 10 year old with a two minute googel search? How is it even possible to do research that is so little research at all? Or does he dumb down everything because he's actually scared of the Illuminati coming for him? Or the phandom? Is the phandom = the illuminati? I sure know a D&P forum where they use a lot of triangles
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Phil is now only 700 subscribers away from 4 million!

#GetPhilto4mill

(Nopity no, I don't secretly have his live subscriber counter open while I'm working on college stuff)
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AmazingOCD wrote:Phil is now only 700 subscribers away from 4 million!

#GetPhilto4mill

(Nopity no, I don't secretly have his live subscriber counter open while I'm working on college stuff)

You're definitely not the only one who has his live sub count open while working on other things!

He's so close right now as well, a bit under 600 to go!
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They keep uploading videos on the days I'm at uni for 12 hours smh. I adored that video, I think it's possibly my favourite Phil video of all time, which is surprising given the fact I have emetophobia. I felt so bad for him, but also this video just completely endeared me to him for some reason. I think Phil's delivery was really funny, his editing was snappy (I was surprised he didn't push it to 10 minutes, but I'm glad he didn't as it was the perfect length and he didn't drag anything on for too long), he did a great job of playing Leon (I thought those bits were the funniest actually), and as others have mentioned there was a casual no-context Dan mention and descriptions of Leon as "perfect" and "hunky". It was just all around such a good video that made me feel so fond of Phil, 10/10 and I'm so excited for him to hit 4 million subscribers

(re: Shane Dawson - I think he crossed a line personally and while I don't take what he said seriously nor do I think he put any actual effort into trying to expose dnp I do think that as their colleague it was inappropriate and disrespectful of him to do this. Regardless of whether they're actually together or not (I think they are but I acknowledge they very well may not be), I still think it's immoral to imply they may be queerbaiting and to put them in the uncomfortable position of acknowledging the situation. I would have thought that as someone who has both experienced being in the closet and wants to keep his relationship mostly private Shane would have a bit more sympathy, although I think kuensukki raises a good point that this may all be some sort of frustration/disapproval from Shane at the way he perceives them to be manipulating their audience idk. I think dnp would do best to ignore it all though, and so would we probably so I'll shut up now )
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kuensukki wrote:they never implied homoeroticism as a unit
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Called it! From Part 38:
zvezdochka wrote: Let us mark this tweet as a counterargument in a future "But they don't encourage shipping! They don't market themselves as Phan" dispute.
I wouldn't call it queerbaiting as it is, but "Ha-ha, we've been having sexy sex time!" is a punchline here.

I fully agree with you on the rest of the post though . D&P live in one of the most liberal countries, and yet, they choose not to clear up any rumours about their relationship. They have their right not to do so, but I, as a straight ally from Russia (a place where you can get brutally murdered for being gay, unless you're loaded and don't go outside where the plebs are), can't help but be puzzled by it.

Even putting that frustration aside, I still need a reason for their ambiguity. I'm not saying that if you're queer you should come out. I'm saying, if you capitalize on your public image and a big part of that image is your relationship with your friend, you should be transparent about it. But that's my personal naive viewpoint and, I guess, I will never grow up :D
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zvezdochka wrote:[
I fully agree with you on the rest of the post though . D&P live in one of the most liberal countries, and yet, they choose not to clear up any rumours about their relationship. They have their right not to do so, but I, as a straight ally from Russia (a place where you can get brutally murdered for being gay, unless you're loaded and don't go outside where the plebs are), can't help but be puzzled by it.

Even putting that frustration aside, I still need a reason for their ambiguity. I'm not saying that if you're queer you should come out. I'm saying, if you capitalize on your public image and a big part of that image is your relationship with your friend, you should be transparent about it. But that's my personal naive viewpoint and, I guess, I will never grow up :D
Sometimes it's not necessarily about how liberal your country is though. I understand that LGBT+ people in the UK have it comparably easier than LGBT+ people in Russia, that's indisputable. However, that doesn't mean they have any obligation to come out, nor does it mean they don't have other reasons for staying closeted. I live in Australia (where we have a lot of work to do regarding LGBT+ rights but things are very good compared to Russia), I have a very accepting and progressive family/friend group, and yet I am closeted to all but one person. That's my decision, and I appreciate that I live in a fairly safe country but that doesn't mean I feel ready to be open about my identity just yet. Not attacking you or anything I promise, I just wanted to say I think that for those of us who do believe dnp are closeted (and we may be wrong, it's entirely possible that they are queerbaiting but I don't really want to start that debate up rn) it is completely understandable.
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According to socialblade, Phil is less than 100 subs away from 4 million!!!!

I think the phandom as a whole want him to get there today. He's gained nearly 1000 subs over 12 hours and the counter is moving so fast...

COME ON PHILLY!!!! :D :D :D

EDIT: HE JUST HIT 4 MILLION!
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He's hit 4 mil. Okay, we're done.
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PHIL IS OVER 4 MILLION!!!

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000dia000 wrote:He's hit 4 mil. Okay, we're done.
#GetPhilto5Mil
The new campaign starts here!

WELL DONE SMOL BEAN!!!! :clapping:

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