Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

[pastelspectre]

i don't know where people are thinking its gonna be like 2012 again like what.. i honestly only think it can go up from here with phan, and if i prove myself wrong well you can say you told me so lol. dan and phil have come so far with being open with their feelings since post-baking universe. maybe its not as open as some people would like but they should be happy they're being more open about it at all.

also on tumblr i saw this awfully cringe post about something phan related, i can't remember what it was but they had the guts to tag dan and phil's tumblrs in it like.. noooo stop

I hate that SO much. I understand if you wanna post stuff about phan on tumblr. I ship phan as much as the next guy. But I just cannot understand how you could possibly have the gall to flipping tag Dan and Phil in that shit!! We know for a fact they look at the tags smh

I feel like the phandom is so divided when it comes to shielding things from deppy... Some of us are so terrified to even seem like we are at all hoping for a romantic relationship in the main tags and we refuse to mention certain things to them and then other people are making posts like:
"Phil loves to stroke Dan's hair at night!! They are husbands and they love each other so much!!" #phan #phandom #danisnotonfire #amazingphil #dan howell #phil lester #daniel james howell #phil michael lester
And people who tag smutty fanfic in the main tags!! Calm down!!!!!

Ugh. If 2012 comes back, it'll be because of people like that.

right though like... why would they do that ugh. i will admit back when i was like.. 14 or 15 and was avidly into phan, i did tag it in the main tags but i've learned my lesson, i don't do that anymore. so now that i see people /still/ doing it even now...it's gross like.. you think they would know, but ugh apparently not. it's embarrassing. whenever i post something phan related directly from my blog i just usually tag it as phan, i think.

edit: ew top of the page

[Ilovethemohyesido]

Do you know how long Dil has until he becomes an elder? I think he's close, right?

I love the «matey» moment, it was so unexpected, that you could see the rare moment of Dan really being a child again, and Phil staring at him so adorably. Perfect.

[dontpanic]

Do you know how long Dil has until he becomes an elder? I think he's close, right?

I love the «matey» moment, it was so unexpected, that you could see the rare moment of Dan really being a child again, and Phil staring at him so adorably. Perfect.

Deppy has the settings on so the sims don't automatically age up, Dil won't become an elder until deppy decide to age him up, which prob wont happen for a long time. It's the same for Dab, he won't age up into a child until they decide to do so, which will prob be in a couple episodes (I really hope it's soon tho, toddlers are cute and all but they don't seem like they're gonna explore any more toddler activities)

[captainspacecoat]

I think the people freaking out about a potential return to 2012 weren't actually around during that time. I started watching them in 2012 and was majorly obsessed through 2013 (before getting bored and then returning last year), and can say with surety that they really have nothing to fear.

Firstly, I think a lot of people who've started watching more recently have a skewed view of what '2012' (which I think also refers to 2013) was actually like, and tend to overdramatise it as this awful period of intense turmoil between the two, so much so that they panic at the slightest perception of potential tension between dnp.

Having said that, there is a reason that 2012 has the reputation it does and I really have no idea how anyone could look at the way they're behaving in 2017 and liken it to the insecurity and deep discomfort that came with dnp's newfound fame in 2012, and the way that manifested as an over-the-top effort to both reject the idea of phan and imply heterosexuality. 2012 wasn't all bad, but the negative aspects people are thinking of were (in my opinion) in part a result of the fragility of their careers (what with a rapid spike in subscribers and new opportunities with the BBC), the breach of privacy that was the vday leak/s, and the way those things intersected as a desire to keep their relationship private in the face of an insatiably curious audience.

The way dnp behave now doesn't reflect that at all, they're more open and comfortable than they've ever been before. I mean god, I have a vivid memory of Dan wiping his shoe against Phil's leg in a radio show back in 2013, and tumblr went wild with how incredible 2013 phan was and that it couldn't possibly get better than that. It just baffles me that anyone could watch their current videos, where they're so comfortable with touching other and looking at each other and showing affection, and worry that they're going to return to some sort of on-screen discomfort or tension.

(re - the sims video: i thought it was kind of average but the matey bit really stuck out to me too, it was very sweet )

[swofro]

You know how I say I don't like the previous sim episode because it feels like a filler? I actually love this one.

I have no idea that you can play as the existing sims but my sims experience is only with TheSims (1) when the cheat code is still klapaucius. Anyway, I like that they 'make' Evan to be friend with Dab. I really want more interactions from them. Besides that, nothing eventful really happen in the game so I am looking forward for Dil going to work after this. Hopefully more disaster and adventure(?)

Meanwhile, interaction between is
I really enjoy them in this video. They keep making each other grin and laugh
Absolutely love the bubble bath conversation

I think the people freaking out about a potential return to 2012 weren't actually around during that time. I started watching them in 2012 and was majorly obsessed through 2013 (before getting bored and then returning last year), and can say with surety that they really have nothing to fear.

Firstly, I think a lot of people who've started watching more recently have a skewed view of what '2012' (which I think also refers to 2013) was actually like, and tend to overdramatise it as this awful period of intense turmoil between the two, so much so that they panic at the slightest perception of potential tension between dnp.

Having said that, there is a reason that 2012 has the reputation it does and I really have no idea how anyone could look at the way they're behaving in 2017 and liken it to the insecurity and deep discomfort that came with dnp's newfound fame in 2012, and the way that manifested as an over-the-top effort to both reject the idea of phan and imply heterosexuality. 2012 wasn't all bad, but the negative aspects people are thinking of were (in my opinion) in part a result of the fragility of their careers (what with a rapid spike in subscribers and new opportunities with the BBC), the breach of privacy that was the vday leak/s, and the way those things intersected as a desire to keep their relationship private in the face of an insatiably curious audience.

The way dnp behave now doesn't reflect that at all, they're more open and comfortable than they've ever been before. I mean god, I have a vivid memory of Dan wiping his shoe against Phil's leg in a radio show back in 2013, and tumblr went wild with how incredible 2013 phan was and that it couldn't possibly get better than that. It just baffles me that anyone could watch their current videos, where they're so comfortable with touching other and looking at each other and showing affection, and worry that they're going to return to some sort of on-screen discomfort or tension.

agree to this whole post
2012 is the best year in terms of content. Except maybe for this year. We'll see how 2017 goes.

[vincentian]

Expected a new dinof, but woke up quite confused to new Sims.
Kind of like that D&P are being more random and carefree with the narrative, no need to stick to the same pattern, shake things up. When I saw the title my first thought was that aliens impregnated Eliza, but it turned out much more ordinary lol. Can't help but notice that parent simulator still didn't get old and they (especially Dan) keep awwing at child sims. Their cheerfullness and cute interactions certainly made it one of the better Sims episodes. Also they seem to read the comments, as they suddenly made Howlters more social.

Want a friend for your child? Instead of befriending a child / a family with a child, buy your "friends" a bed and make them have a baby. Want to be invited to their house? Play as them and invite yourself. Talk about 's control issues

[/fɪl lɛstɚ/]

I think the people freaking out about a potential return to 2012 weren't actually around during that time. I started watching them in 2012 and was majorly obsessed through 2013 (before getting bored and then returning last year), and can say with surety that they really have nothing to fear.

Firstly, I think a lot of people who've started watching more recently have a skewed view of what '2012' (which I think also refers to 2013) was actually like, and tend to overdramatise it as this awful period of intense turmoil between the two, so much so that they panic at the slightest perception of potential tension between dnp.

Having said that, there is a reason that 2012 has the reputation it does and I really have no idea how anyone could look at the way they're behaving in 2017 and liken it to the insecurity and deep discomfort that came with dnp's newfound fame in 2012, and the way that manifested as an over-the-top effort to both reject the idea of phan and imply heterosexuality. 2012 wasn't all bad, but the negative aspects people are thinking of were (in my opinion) in part a result of the fragility of their careers (what with a rapid spike in subscribers and new opportunities with the BBC), the breach of privacy that was the vday leak/s, and the way those things intersected as a desire to keep their relationship private in the face of an insatiably curious audience.

The way dnp behave now doesn't reflect that at all, they're more open and comfortable than they've ever been before. I mean god, I have a vivid memory of Dan wiping his shoe against Phil's leg in a radio show back in 2013, and tumblr went wild with how incredible 2013 phan was and that it couldn't possibly get better than that. It just baffles me that anyone could watch their current videos, where they're so comfortable with touching other and looking at each other and showing affection, and worry that they're going to return to some sort of on-screen discomfort or tension.

(re - the sims video: i thought it was kind of average but the matey bit really stuck out to me too, it was very sweet )

I was here in 2012/2013 too, and I don't remember it being all that bad. Sure there were times where I was a bit ? about Dan's behavior but for the most part I was just excited for them and all the new things coming their way. It wasn't until after then that people were telling me that 2012 was the worst and I kind of convinced myself that it was bad but... I really don't remember it being all that bad. I was only 15 then so

I think that 2017 is their year. Maybe not the most lucrative or busy year but in terms of happiness level, overall motivation to make Youtube videos, and likeability, 2017 has been

[captainspacecoat]

I was here in 2012/2013 too, and I don't remember it being all that bad. Sure there were times where I was a bit ? about Dan's behavior but for the most part I was just excited for them and all the new things coming their way. It wasn't until after then that people were telling me that 2012 was the worst and I kind of convinced myself that it was bad but... I really don't remember it being all that bad. I was only 15 then so

I think that 2017 is their year. Maybe not the most lucrative or busy year but in terms of happiness level, overall motivation to make Youtube videos, and likeability, 2017 has been

Yeah, I'm with you! It definitely gets blown out of proportion, and I can actually really relate to not remembering it being bad at the time. I was 16 then, and I think the way I interacted with the phandom was quite different to now, this second time. I think perspective and hindsight adds a lot to the narrative of 2012, and it in part seems so bad because of how good it is now, if that makes sense? As much as I definitely agree that 2012 wasn't as bad as it's made out to be though, I do think there's some truth to it, and that it becomes especially noticeable when comparing that period to how much looser their boundaries seem to have become in recent years.

[flarequake]

Caught up with Dan's liveshow on Wednesday and just finished the new Sims. Evan is adorable, making him clingy starting drama already, they're not exactly BFFs yet, but Dab was kinda distracted by his butterfly toy. Nice that they're branching out to play the Pancakes too (honestly, what did Dan think they were there for if not to play). So many funny moments, I watched most of it while I had breakfast this morning and it made for a fun start to the day.

Dan's liveshow was pretty chill, he was nice, funny comments about awful usernames and the eternal potential for cannibalism. Intrigued by what his new video could be about, furries does seem possible, but I can't imagine what he'd have to say about it. Cheeky tweets between him and PJ were funny.

And yay 4 mil for Phil

[Birdie]

dangerwomenatwork and AmazingStrangerDanger

I laughed so hard when I saw that!

I loved the video. I love their sims videos anyways but this one was really cute, I liked how they cared about Bob and Eliza. Maybe Eliza's history with Dil can be forgotten and they can all become friends. I'd love for the Howlters to finally have some friends.

It did seem heavily edited this time but I guess it was the somewhat boring parts. Like buying Evan a bed and stuff. Sometimes playing the Sims is super boring to be honest, when nothing happens and stuff doesn't go like you want it to go (like getting three sims to actually arrive at your house and not run away again right away) so I guess they edited that out.

[Catallena]

Was busy with election results last night so didn't post but I really liked that Sims episodes. As has been mentioned, the Matey bath conversation was the purest thing. It definitely felt like a conversation they would have in private as well, plus it reminded me of my parents whenever one asks if the other remembers a product, brand, person, tv show or song from their youth. Phan got the couple that has been married for 30 years down already

People who say we're back to 2012 are doing the most and are definitely on some kind of substance. Nuh uh. We need to quit with the 2012 obsession, especially people who weren't there, it's so unnecessary.

Quoting my post that is quoted in the FAQ:

As someone ~who was there~ I do think 2012 gets exaggerated a lot. It wasn't all terrible. Even looking back on it, it was mostly.. weird, confusing and awkward. One moment Phil would try to get Dan to come closer only to get in the damn shot and he'd get pissy, the next they'd be singing The Phantom Of The Opera together. 2012 was literally just 'One step forward, two steps back' all the time, but it wasn't the apocalypse people make it out to be.

It wasn't exactly fun to have Dan going off at us and have the rest of the phandom see phan shippers as the actual reincarnation of Satan but we all survived. We quite enjoyed taking the piss out of their hypocritical no homo shit as well. Which might be mean when you now think about how stressed they might've been about everything but different times yo.

[kalli]

As another person who started watching them in 2012, I agree that it certainly was nowhere near as bad as people make it seem. I always figured it was merely them protecting themselves and their privacy (no real tension between them, just temporarily with their audience) which I feel is understandable so I've never really been bothered by it.

Of course the idea of them reverting to the level of defensiveness they held five years ago is disheartening, but I highly doubt that would ever happen. I feel like it's quite unlikely that anything will happen to push them beyond their limits in the same way voldy did to begin with, but even in the worst case scenario, I feel like they'd handle the situation much more smoothly and confidently. Obviously their denial only fuelled the fire, so ignoring it or quickly addressing the situation and continuing on as per usual seem most plausible in my opinion. But who knows, for everyone's sake I hope nothing too wild ever happens and we can all carry on as peacefully as possible

[pastelspectre]

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it was a bit long to fully quote sorry ;A; but i was here in 2012 as well! i was obsessed with them until about late 2013 i think until i got back into them recently back in october. i don't think 2012 was as bad as everyone makes it out to be. it's understandable that deppy would act that way (dan specifically bc he did most of the covering up or whatever), they probably just wanted privacy and wasn't used to all the fame that was creeping up on their shoulders. they didn't know what to do with it all, especially dan since he was a bit younger than phil and didn't know how to handle it, so he sort of..did stuff that he probably regrets but. anyways, i don't think 2012/2013 was as bad as everyone makes it. i was a demon phannie back then lmao, constantly watching tribute videos of them and watching for the littlest thing between them, but anyways.

tdlr; i do not think 2012 is this big bad monster everyone seems to make it out to be

[lurker]

Intrigued by what his new video could be about, furries does seem possible, but I can't imagine what he'd have to say about it.

i hope if dan ever feels the need to make a furry video, he'll name it "AM I A FURRY???" and it'll be a two-second video of him looking in the camera and saying "yes" or "no".

[mio]

I'm finally getting around to watching Dan's liveshow and the mystery of the DINOF video is intriguing. He says it's something he wanted to do for himself but also people have been peer pressuring him to do it for a while? but he forgot?
Could it be like another youtube trend or something? Have there been any lately?
I seem to get that it's something silly that is more of a distraction and maybe not appropriate for the state of the world right now.

...If it's painting his nails istg

I'd rather have some kind of furry video that would be interesting at least

[SexyTrashCan]

...If it's painting his nails istg

That's actually the first time the possibility of it being him painting his nails has occurred to me. Dunno if painting his nails fits in with kinkshaming though

[SexyTrashCan]

I only just watched the video and seriously what the fuck is everyone on about going as far as to compare this video to 2012? :wtf:

[/fɪl lɛstɚ/]

I'm finally getting around to watching Dan's liveshow and the mystery of the DINOF video is intriguing. He says it's something he wanted to do for himself but also people have been peer pressuring him to do it for a while? but he forgot?
Could it be like another youtube trend or something? Have there been any lately?
I seem to get that it's something silly that is more of a distraction and maybe not appropriate for the state of the world right now.

...If it's painting his nails istg

I'd rather have some kind of furry video that would be interesting at least

The only trend I feel is going around is the whole Smash or Pass thing, and we know that he finds that very cringe worthy. I would bet that this is about being a furry/not being a furry. I hope not though.

Last night I kept having dreams about a coming out + boyfriend tag video where he came out and he did a boyfriend tag with Phil and they were kissing and it was a whole thing. Maybe I'm having a premonition (it's happened before lol)

[SexyTrashCan]

I'm finally getting around to watching Dan's liveshow and the mystery of the DINOF video is intriguing. He says it's something he wanted to do for himself but also people have been peer pressuring him to do it for a while? but he forgot?
Could it be like another youtube trend or something? Have there been any lately?
I seem to get that it's something silly that is more of a distraction and maybe not appropriate for the state of the world right now.

...If it's painting his nails istg

I'd rather have some kind of furry video that would be interesting at least

The only trend I feel is going around is the whole Smash or Pass thing, and we know that he finds that very cringe worthy. I would bet that this is about being a furry/not being a furry. I hope not though.

Last night I kept having dreams about a coming out + boyfriend tag video where he came out and he did a boyfriend tag with Phil and they were kissing and it was a whole thing. Maybe I'm having a premonition (it's happened before lol)

I had a dream that I really did not want to watch the video for whatever reason and was lurking in the safety of this thread reading the timestamps so I hope I'm not having a premonition

[The_Blonde]

Phil is in a delightful mood for this ("fresh from the shower") LS, I'm loving it

[Laney]

So Phil said Dan is posting his video tonight. I know Dan was probably just hyping it up, but I can't help feeling really excited and a bit scared

[/fɪl lɛstɚ/]

Phil is in a delightful mood for this ("fresh from the shower") LS, I'm loving it

I really enjoyed the LS! Phil is always so cheery and sweet Whenever he thanks people for their nice comments I'm always so taken aback by how genuine he is.
I loved his cheeky promo for Dan's new video. Did anyone else notice that he said something like "The last time I saw it, it looked finished." But then someone in the chat asked what it was about and he said he wouldn't tell and that he hadn't seen it, just heard it. Did I imagine all that?

I loved loved loved the discussion of his university experience, especially when he spoke about the linguistics portion. He mentioned IPA and formants and if you can't tell by my username I'm a bit of an IPA nerd (studying to be a speech therapist will do that to you) and hearing him talk about some of the lingo I encounter every day made me irrationally happy.

[nephilimcat]

I missed a bit of the ls because my Internet disconnected, as usual

Some thoughts:
-His "deathbed voice" was ... something

-I can relate to the glasses problem, I feel like you clean them and two seconds later there's dirt on them again.

-"Why do people watch these ls?" Because we are trash, Phil. And because you are adorable

-I feel like people deliberately bring up tattoos all the time to wind me up because I don't have enough money to get any

-So, is promoting each other a thing now? I don't know if I'm looking forward to Dan's video tbh. I feel like it's going to be a major disappointment and I really want to like it.

Edit:

I loved his cheeky promo for Dan's new video. Did anyone else notice that he said something like "The last time I saw it, it looked finished." But then someone in the chat asked what it was about and he said he wouldn't tell and that he hadn't seen it, just heard it. Did I imagine all that?

I noticed that too. Maybe he meant he saw something open on the computer that indicated that it was finished or something? It doesn't make sense otherwise.

[lefthandedism]

I loved loved loved the discussion of his university experience, especially when he spoke about the linguistics portion. He mentioned IPA and formants and if you can't tell by my username I'm a bit of an IPA nerd (studying to be a speech therapist will do that to you) and hearing him talk about some of the lingo I encounter every day made me irrationally happy.

Yes, as one of the many linguists on IDB, that warmed my heart (especially since I hadn't planned on watching his LS, but happened to make a quick check of Tumblr just before he started talking about uni).

I love linguist!phil! Clearly Phil draws us disproportionately into the phandom.

[flarequake]

Intrigued by what his new video could be about, furries does seem possible, but I can't imagine what he'd have to say about it.

i hope if dan ever feels the need to make a furry video, he'll name it "AM I A FURRY???" and it'll be a two-second video of him looking in the camera and saying "yes" or "no".

That would be funny, though a "yes" would be even more intriguing. They've worn enough animal onesies already, but I'm curious what animal he'd make a fursuit of if he was inclined to. He's so tall we could have a really enormous unicorn or something, some tinselly thread to make it sparkle, maybe a lilac mane. So much imagination

Phil's liveshow was lovely, he was very happy again. I also loved the university talk especially the details. He did look like a banana each time he put his hood up, he kinda disappeared inside it. I'd never thought of laser eye surgery, tbh it would be a shame to never see him looking hot in his glasses again, but they can be a pain to wear. Interesting that after being such a picky eater as a kid he can go back to eating Indian food again, though after a few week break.

His description of his artwork made me laugh, I was walking home watching on my phone and the way he paused and said "crap" was fricking hilarious. Still life is what he meant by drawing corners and I can't believe he hasn't looked at a colour wheel since school, clearly hasn't done any art since then except his drawing games and Dan as a French girl.