Dan & Phil Part 42: lying makes you go to hell

[bee]

phil is so fucking cute

I thought Phil's reaction before this moment was quite interesting, his wide eyed blink and then him seeming flustered after.

I get the feeling that when they record multiple gaming videos, they are more 'warmed up' and play easier off each other. No way to know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they filmed more on the day they filmed this one.

[moaninglisa]

phil is so fucking cute

i don't want to be negative but this is so played out, how many times has Dan did that pose? i'd rather watch the mark of oxin again where they both seemed more genuine, especially Phil, than this calculated eye contact shit.

why can't he get closer to phil without being accused of "playing it out"

[malday]

phil is so fucking cute

i don't want to be negative but this is so played out, how many times has Dan did that pose? i'd rather watch the mark of oxin again where they both seemed more genuine, especially Phil, than this calculated eye contact shit.

why can't he get closer to phil without being accused of "playing it out"

not "playing it out", it's played out.

[SquishPhan]

phil is so fucking cute

i don't want to be negative but this is so played out, how many times has Dan did that pose? i'd rather watch the mark of oxin again where they both seemed more genuine, especially Phil, than this calculated eye contact shit.

why can't he get closer to phil without being accused of "playing it out"

not "playing it out", it's played out.

For me that doesn't mean that it is no longer cute.

[moaninglisa]

phil is so fucking cute

i don't want to be negative but this is so played out, how many times has Dan did that pose? i'd rather watch the mark of oxin again where they both seemed more genuine, especially Phil, than this calculated eye contact shit.

why can't he get closer to phil without being accused of "playing it out"

not "playing it out", it's played out.

For me that doesn't mean that it is no longer cute.

the phandom goes crazy whenever they do ~something but that doesn't necessarily mean they do ~something to bait them (as most of these things are rather unimportant. e.g: the coat story). whether you view it as a friendship or a romantic relationship or you aren't really sure, they seem comfortable enough to get close to each other on camera without having some other reason for doing it *cough* keeping the flow of cash coming in with those Spicy Phan Moments™ *cough* so i don't really view it as "calculated"
but that's just the way i see it

[pastelspectre]

goodness this video was adorable. i couldnt stop giggling at all their bants and jokes and comments. i felt like a third wheel that moment where dan got close to phil... i'll admit my heart beat sped up a bit omg. i know dan does it often but i dont think itll ever get old for me lol.

overall good and cute video! i enjoyed it

[alittledizzy]

To say that it's 'played out' assumes (to me) that you think that kind of behavior is an act to begin with.

Personally I think it's a much more natural reaction/behavior, which makes it a bit weird to say that how someone reacts to their friend being a shit to them is something that needs to be an evolving reaction in order to keep other people entertained.

(Only managed to halfway watch the video, but love it so far.)

edit: moaninglisa just said it better a couple posts above mine

[moaninglisa]

phil is so fucking cute

i don't want to be negative but this is so played out, how many times has Dan did that pose? i'd rather watch the mark of oxin again where they both seemed more genuine, especially Phil, than this calculated eye contact shit.

why can't he get closer to phil without being accused of "playing it out"

not "playing it out", it's played out.

I totally missed this I'm so sorry for lashing out at you.

edit: though I agree with dizzy's post.

[gnostic]

Sometimes there are videos that inch me slightly out of my firm phanskepticism stance.

This is one.

is there a particular moment that did it?

You know how I go on and on about how some random subjective bullshit like "no one looks at each other like that" can't be treated as serious "evidence" in phan debate?

Apparently I am a giant hypocrite, cause I will fall prey for it myself, even if the matter of pushing me another 3 per cent down the cynicism ladder

[nihilist-toothpaste]

it's interesting that some don't see the leaning in moment as "calculated." i don't think that word has to mean it's completely manufactured "for views" or cash flow as moaninglisa suggested, but it doesn't seem totally natural to me either. i feel it's totally possible for it to be a behavioral habit dan has but ALSO one that he's noticed gets people excited. given his general self-awareness while on camera it makes sense that he knows ppl will focus in on that moment and that his past instances of doing it have generated a bunch of gifs and audience excitement or w/e. so he does it both for his own reasons (bc he wants to, or it's a habit, and it's funny and it makes phil flustered and that entertains him, etc.) AND bc he knows it gets ppl jazzed. therefore it seems like it could be calculated to an extent (to the same extent that dan is always aware of the audience gaze when they're filming). but that's kinda cool bc it implies it's a conscious/premeditated choice and that choice (or at least the lack of restraint despite his awareness) in turn suggests that he has a certain degree of comfort with people focusing in on this moment and talking about ~eye contact~ and ~flirting~ rather than the content of the video. before a few months ago that notion is one that seemed to bother dan (maybe both of them) kind of a lot.

[malday]

For me that doesn't mean that it is no longer cute.

i guess it's nice Phil went along with it this time, but i rather have witty banter than flirting (especially if you're not going to go all the way).

To say that it's 'played out' assumes (to me) that you think that kind of behavior is an act to begin with.

Personally I think it's a much more natural reaction/behavior, which makes it a bit weird to say that how someone reacts to their friend being a shit to them is something that needs to be an evolving reaction in order to keep other people entertained.

(Only managed to halfway watch the video, but love it so far.)

edit: moaninglisa just said it better a couple posts above mine

I think Dan does it on purpose, considering how many times he has done it. To me Phil seemed persona-y at times in this. And i think it's as much "an act" as any other flirting, or pranking or whatever done on camera by other youtube couples. Behavior is enhanced to entertain.

[edit]nihilist-toothpaste explained it better than i ever could.

[jhamba]

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Also, it's interesting to me that Dan actually uses physical displays of dominance a lot more with Phil (again, playful). Like, he likes to hit Phil, poke him, tickle him, get really close to his face when he's mad, and it seems to come a lot more naturally to him than it does to Phil, who tries, but is kind of shitty at being physically intimidating.

[gnostic]

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Also, it's interesting to me that Dan actually uses physical displays of dominance a lot more with Phil (again, playful). Like, he likes to hit Phil, poke him, tickle him, get really close to his face when he's mad, and it seems to come a lot more naturally to him than it does to Phil, who tries, but is kind of shitty at being physically intimidating.

Oh boy

Oh boyyyy

*gets keyboard ready*

*sees username*

Nvm

[jhamba]

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Also, it's interesting to me that Dan actually uses physical displays of dominance a lot more with Phil (again, playful). Like, he likes to hit Phil, poke him, tickle him, get really close to his face when he's mad, and it seems to come a lot more naturally to him than it does to Phil, who tries, but is kind of shitty at being physically intimidating.

Oh boy

Oh boyyyy

*gets keyboard ready*

*sees username*

Nvm

this is cyberbullying

[000dia000]

I personally find the leaning in moment quite genuine, considering we've seen it multiple times at this point. Is it natural or normal? No, Dan is deliberately doing it, not to get a reaction from the phandom, but a reaction from Phil. He's invading his space to tease him and to try and rile him up, it's in his own way an establishing of playful dominance leaning in and softly threatening in this playful way. You see how Phil gets flustered and giggles whenever Dan does this, because he knows Dan is trying to get a reaction. I believe, off camera, Phil would probably above back or have some other reaction to the teasing, but isn't quite sure what to do in this situation.
[EDIT:I think basically what jhamba says haha]
I found it hilarious how certain things would slip, saying Dab will "make a great husband", playfully hinting at #Devan possibly becoming canon (I didn't think that would happen, a year ago they would have respectfully ignored and undermined) and then saying that their male co-worker is a man-stealer. Finally, I think that deppy see themselves both as Dil-that they see themselves as the same person, calling Tabitha "our wife" and Dab "our child" is pretty telling.

I was interested in Phil's comment about his Dad making him change a fuse in a plug. In case anybody wants an accompaniment to the cordless hammer drill and assortment of other "manly" things. (Though I say that very lightly, I was taught how to change fuses in Science class...did I ever apply this, no, but it's not an abnormal requirement.)

Anyway this video was disgustingly cute, I was sick of their heart eyes at each other and cute banter. Disgraceful.

[rizzo]

To say that it's 'played out' assumes (to me) that you think that kind of behavior is an act to begin with.

Personally I think it's a much more natural reaction/behavior, which makes it a bit weird to say that how someone reacts to their friend being a shit to them is something that needs to be an evolving reaction in order to keep other people entertained.

I only wish they went totally "natural" and Phil just gave into the damn kiss.

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Your post was super timely, because I was going to go into this based on my response above.

I've always perceived Phil as a tactile flirt. Touching somebody, tapping on them, hugging them, biting them... these are all ways he flirts and my assumption has always been that any level of physical response is something he doesn't want to show on camera, because his physical response (especially if dominant and especially in response to Dan) is always gonna be flirtatious/sexual.

I just immediately assumed that if this situation had been happening without a camera on, Phil'd have kissed him and followed that with an evil grin. But honestly, at this point, I might be writing fan fiction. Because the guy is mischievous and I refuse to believe that, in private, he'd ever flinch at that.

What I find fascinating is to watch how far he's willing to let himself go in that moment. It's like watching him break through a mental barrier when he's staring at Dan and not letting his head move back any. I saw it as a total win.

[jhamba]

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Your post was super timely, because I was going to go into this based on my response above.

I've always perceived Phil as a tactile flirt. Touching somebody, tapping on them, hugging them, biting them... these are all ways he flirts and my assumption has always been that any level of physical response is something he doesn't want to show on camera, because his physical response (especially if dominant and especially in response to Dan) is always gonna be flirtatious/sexual.

I just immediately assumed that if this situation had been happening without a camera on, Phil'd have kissed him and followed that with an evil grin. But honestly, at this point, I might be writing fan fiction. Because the guy is mischievous and I refuse to believe that, in private, he'd ever flinch at that.

What I find fascinating is to watch how far he's willing to let himself go in that moment. It's like watching him break-through a mental barrier when he's staring at Dan and not letting his head move back any. I saw it as a total win.

(okay, I wanted to say that I thought Phil would kiss him, but that seemed slightly too demon-y to me)

And, yeah, I absolutely agree about Phil being a tactile flirt. I think Dan usually does do this kind of thing as a playful establishment of dominance (this may also be how he flirts, but the deliberation makes it look slightly awkward, which is scary when you're someone as large as Dan), and Phil reacts to it by being a bit flirty, because he associates the closeness with intimacy, rather than an invasion of space.

[lefthandedism]

not to be lav, but I found the lean in moment very interesting from a body language point of view. It was a very clear display of dominance, and it just left me with a lot of questions. Like, how does Phil usually react to that kind of thing? he flinched back a bit, so he obviously found it slightly intimidating, but he also found it funny? And, it was a pretty playful display of dominance, which can totally be flirtatious, so, does this kind of thing lead to sexual tension in other circumstances? I just have so many questions...

Your post was super timely, because I was going to go into this based on my response above.

I've always perceived Phil as a tactile flirt. Touching somebody, tapping on them, hugging them, biting them... these are all ways he flirts and my assumption has always been that any level of physical response is something he doesn't want to show on camera, because his physical response (especially if dominant and especially in response to Dan) is always gonna be flirtatious/sexual.

I just immediately assumed that if this situation had been happening without a camera on, Phil'd have kissed him and followed that with an evil grin. But honestly, at this point, I might be writing fan fiction. Because the guy is mischievous and I refuse to believe that, in private, he'd ever flinch at that.

What I find fascinating is to watch how far he's willing to let himself go in that moment. It's like watching him break-through a mental barrier when he's staring at Dan and not letting his head move back any. I saw it as a total win.

(okay, I wanted to say that I thought Phil would kiss him, but that seemed slightly too demon-y to me)

And, yeah, I absolutely agree about Phil being a tactile flirt. I think Dan usually does do this kind of thing as a playful establishment of dominance (this may also be how he flirts, but the deliberation makes it look slightly awkward, which is scary when you're someone as large as Dan), and Phil reacts to it by being a bit flirty, because he associates the closeness with intimacy, rather than an invasion of space.

We know they've had this dynamic--Phil being all tactile and Dan taking initiative (I don't want to say "control" or "dominance")--since Day 1:

"The first time [they] met...[Phil] was clawing at [Dan], and biting [him]...and then [Dan] kissed [him]."

[obliviongrace]

This video was lovely. I found the levels of flirting throughout to overcome the normal dryness of the Sims. It was that kind of soft and warm flirting that comes from familiarity and seeps into every gesture and word so that it becomes hard to pick out major moments.

The discussion of the lean-in behavior being a move of dominance is very interesting to me! I'm not sure what I think, but I do agree that Phil not moving farther away (or "backing down") was sort of a win for him. Sometimes I feel as though, in this era of being more "open" with flirty behavior, dnp will playfully push each other to see how far they'll go. I think Dan probably expected Phil to back away more. (Or maybe not, who knows).

What also interested me in this video was the discussion of the Dab x Evan shipping. To me, the "let them be kids/discover themselves on their own" response seemed indicative of two people who have felt the pressures of online shipping when they were still young, and so who react negatively when they see shipping happening to youngsters. A sort of "let them be unaware please/innocent" response that might seem a big confusing considering that they're two video game characters, but make sense to me when I think of dnp's backstory.

[missemma]

So Dan is still in the UK which means Phil is more than likely here too so why couldn't he do a liveshow on Thursday? #movingconfirmed (joking, kinda).

[cherrybomb3]

s/o to dan calling bob dad at ~19:08

bob pancakes at the top of the daniel daddy list confirmed

[papierklemmen]

You know how I go on and on about how some random subjective bullshit like "no one looks at each other like that" can't be treated as serious "evidence" in phan debate?

Apparently I am a giant hypocrite, cause I will fall prey for it myself, even if the matter of pushing me another 3 per cent down the cynicism ladder

oh no, et tu brute

i didn't find the video particularly flirty, i thought they were really hyper and trying to make fetch happen make the episode seem more interesting that it was because lbr nothing was really happening. i applaud them though, because the sims events can be a hit or miss and you have to work with what you get. phil seemed highly caffenated.

[lost686girl]

dan's "mr. steal your man" at 9:22 was very telling

you have to want/have a man in order for someone to steal him

[captainspacecoat]

dan's "mr. steal your man" at 9:22 was very telling

you have to want/have a man in order for someone to steal him

That stood out to me too, I've only ever heard it as "mr. steal yo' girl" so I thought it was interesting that he didn't default to heteronormativity and his instinct was to assume the guy (was it Emiliano? can't remember) would be seducing men rather than women.

So Dan is still in the UK which means Phil is more than likely here too so why couldn't he do a liveshow on Thursday? #movingconfirmed (joking, kinda).

Good point - did they ever actually give a reason as to why Phil couldn't do a liveshow last Thursday? Was it just because he had a main channel vid going up instead? Because my assumption was that, for whatever reason, he was too busy to do a ls so he uploaded a vid to make up for it. Interesting that they didn't give any specific reason for the ls not to go ahead (unless they did and I've just completely forgotten).

[Ilovethemohyesido]

I don't think he was leaning away because of Dan, he was already leaning back while he was talking and actually when he sees Dan coming closer he stopped leaning back. If he had go back to his original position he would have been right on Dan's face that's why he stayed like that. In fact if you look closely he leans into him a tiny bit.