Dan & Phil Part 54: Born in the fires of the internet

[DryCereal]

fanboy!Dan rises. And yes. I bet Phil just probably chucked the bedding and his clothes straight into the washing machine, so it will be full of sparkly herpes for some time...

I think my fave part of the vid was the #vasegate sass.
That, and that he didn't go the amsr route with the slime. (Still haven't watched that video, still not going to. fite me.)

[LtrllySusan]

My partner has been playing it and I've been watching it a bit, definitely nothing for me and also not really suited for the gaming channel. It's too strategical for that. Rabbid Peach is amazing though, love the sass when you meet real Peach after the intro.

[Offtopic]Oh, and the brownies are great The extra chocolate chunks seem to have melted into the batter but it's great with just the cashew nuts too.[/Offtopic]

[Light02]

[Offtopic]I was wondering about something and decided to ask you guys. What's the difference between shipbaiting and fanservice? I get the difference between queerbaiting and the other two. Also if you answer my question I might not be able to respond back because I'm not going to have an internet connection very often in the next couple of months.[/Offtopic]

[sparkle]

Hey guys, I have an alternative to the moving train theory. Like a serious alternative. This has literally taken me about 2 hours to write.

Basically - I've been lurking on various tumblrs and seen a lot of people noticing that there are things that are different, something is different. A logical conclusion is moving - but I had a thought about an alternative (thank you thephandommenace for being a good sounding board for my insomniac ideas). What if, what they're building to isn't a 'we're moving again lol' but a 'we're together/committed af', and why the two don't have to be mutually exclusive this time. I know this argument is had about every three days so I'm gonna put it under a spoiler, but just hear me out.

Basically, the crux of this falls to a few things that have happened in the past month and the last few videos in general. And a few things we know about their upload schedule during the end of the year. Warning, this is long ass post. But is possibly the most beautiful theory I’ve ever made. This is also all based on the idea that they show us deliberate things so things aren't a shock to us.

Grab your tinfoil because I'm actually really proud of this one

Things we already know
Upload schedule - we have Halloween videos next month, with a confirmed spooky week, potential for another baking video, PINOF, possibly a new DITL and some festive videos. This time of the year is fairly structured for them, particularly from October - December, and is therefore predictable. These videos will be somewhat scripted, which is relevant.

That week in March - gone from '5 months' to 'another 2 months' aka ask about it in October, which is at when their end of year schedule begins. Possibility of Dan being a giant troll, but also the possibility that something will genuinely happen and he wanted to check to make sure interest hadnt died out (explains why he split the time up)

Their videos are different - has anyone else noticed this? I keep seeing moments where i'm like 'that would've been cut out before', or 'they would've never said this/done this 2 years ago'. Biggest examples - Slime video, Tinder video, that last golf video. The 2 minutes of solid flirting during one of the Bomb videos.

Dan NEVER used to have featured channels - not even his own side channel ffs - and now all of a sudden AmazingPhil is there? You don't just do that. Its deliberate. He could've just promoted DINI and DAPG, but he chose AP too - and not because he's an extra on AP either. It means something, it shows how important Phil is in a way that is very subtle, but very not subtle.

Twitter interactions - they're interacting a LOT more than usual. Favouriting and commenting. That probably means nothing right, wrong. If they're hinting at something, the amount they are interacting online is not insignificant. Its tangible and different.

and now the moving train stuff - and an alternative view on it.

Bad wifi - this was stated as a reason to move in the first place. If the new place doesn’t have good wifi, and its so bad to stop them streaming, it’s preparing us for livestream black outs which allow them to skip streams etc. It also plants the idea that they could be moving, because the internet is their job and they need fast internet. And the fact that their stories on it don't match up either, its another indication that something is up.

Moon Room Stream and Gaming Room Stream - this is what I most want to discuss. The Moon Room was supposed to never be on the internet. Why suddenly put it on and show us more than his moon mirror? (i.e. thats Phil's fucking mirror and holy shit are those Phil's shoes?) He wanted us to see that there are things that are Phil's in his room, thats the only explanation. He had other locations to choose from and instead he chose this room. It was deliberate and it had meaning.

Then, after this, why did Dan mobile stream in the gaming room on his phone? Is it because they're moving? Or is it because its a way to red flag to the phandom that something is going to happen imminently and they need to be watching? When was the last time he phone streamed? Just before the move. So a mobile stream is a good way to pique interest that something is afoot - but only to those willing to look for it. Maybe not indicting a move, but a subtle way of showing those dedicated enough to care that something is up? Like Dan pushing us to be like ‘look harder’

Not a forever home- its established that this place is temporary and they have indicated some flaws with it. And the more they talk about the flaws, the more it seems like they’re going to move because they’re dropping hints that they can find something better.

#bruisegate/dickscource - how did Phil get those bruises? He didnt want to answer, so its possible his ‘answer’ was something mundane to stop us reading into it - aka that they’re moving

and now for the relationship evidence - hoo boy, i'm just gonna drop the big recent ones here tbh

Moon Room - as above basically, Phil's stuff was in there, and Dan was very deliberate about what we saw. Which indicates Dan is trying to show us something.

Beardroom - I still can't see him sleeping in that room, plus all the other reasons that have been discussed to death. I.e. its not big enough, its not personal enough, etc etc.

Centipede - that flooring wasn't the flooring from Phil's room, but it was definitely a match for Dans - and Phil said it was his bedroom. Which indicates that the room we see is a set and he either uses that room to film in and has a separate room, or he sleeps in the Moon Room.

Misc evidence.

Dan was there, obviously - before it would've been downplayed - theres even that video where Dan denies being on the phone to Phil when a spider landed on him, only for Phil to out him. But now its obvious, do we even need confirmation Dan was there, no, because its obvious he would be because its obvious they do everything together. It never used to be like this. It never used to be a given, it was always people trying to prove that Dan was there too and being shouted down for it. It being obvious IS something that is different.

Sleepless Night video - Phil subtly asserting control. According to this video, he has his own room which he sleeps in separate to Dans, but there were little idiosyncrasies that make it seem like this video wasn’t filmed when it was claimed. Which makes me feel like he wanted to push the narrative that he slept in that room, while simultaneously telling people to look harder.

Phils last live stream with the lava lamp - again, I don't think they are so naïve to not be able to judge the ‘temperature’ of the phandom. They must know that people think they are moving, so if they show a little wall which shows that their place is furnished, it’s a subtle ‘no not quite’. So they might be moving, but thats not what they’re trying to tell us.

Not a forever home part 2 - as above, temporary place, the indication that their next steps are going to be taken together. Which means that if they move again to somewhere that is bought and not just rented, it changes the connotations of their relationship. It’s pretty hard for it not to because you can’t just shrug off what that means. Renting is temporary, buying indicates a seriousness to their relationship that we haven't seen before.

So what does this all mean?

This is my own interpretation because I wasn't here for The Move™ but I feel like I know enough about it. They dropped hints, they drip fed us. Now there are hints that they're moving again, sure, but there are also other things that are significant that don't fit onto the moving train - unless we view the moving train as a commitment train?

Think about it - I am still aboard the moving train but it feels like they're hinting less towards a move and more towards a confirmation that they are committed and moving forward together. There are more hints that they're committing to each other seriously than there are to them moving.

We already know its a possibility that they will move again, and move soon, because they’ve already braced us for it. So now this is more about what a new move would mean, if they were choosing to move to a forever home, separately, they would be willingly asserting themselves away from each other (think Dan circa 2013 - they were convenient flatmates, nothing more). If they are choosing to move together, the undeniable subtext of this is that they are together because buying someone for forever is a much, much bigger commitment than renting. So rather than bracing us for the move that we already know will happen at some point (probably within the next six months) they are bracing us for the other part of the move, what the move shows and confirms to us. Which is why there are more couple vibes, more flirting, more innuendo, because there will be a point of no return and they don't want it to come out of nowhere.

So i'm not saying a confirmation is coming, but thats exactly what I'm saying. Because if they move somewhere permanent, together, it is undeniable. We know they're gonna move again, this now is preparing us for what that means - i.e. phan is real.

So remember how I said their upload schedule was relevant.

They could move during spooky week - because it would be at least a week of solid videos where they can skip out on livestreaming. Which means, if I’m right, things are going to pick up speed in the next 8 weeks.

But the big one for me is the iconic PINOF.

PINOF 9 - theres no way it can be filmed in that tiny little room. Based on the sheer amount they move around. So my prediction is that the commitment train is going to have reached its destination before or during PINOF 9. (and the trashcan in me is saying that because it is going to be the first PINOF following the move its going to be called Phil Howell and this is how they announce that they’re married af or something)

Either way, I’m predicting that something big is going to happen before the end of the year.

[Whommel]

Hey guys, I have an alternative to the moving train theory. Like a serious alternative. This has literally taken me about 2 hours to write.

Basically - I've been lurking on various tumblrs and seen a lot of people noticing that there are things that are different, something is different. A logical conclusion is moving - but I had a thought about an alternative (thank you thephandommenace for being a good sounding board for my insomniac ideas). What if, what they're building to isn't a 'we're moving again lol' but a 'we're together/committed af', and why the two don't have to be mutually exclusive this time. I know this argument is had about every three days so I'm gonna put it under a spoiler, but just hear me out.

Basically, the crux of this falls to a few things that have happened in the past month and the last few videos in general. And a few things we know about their upload schedule during the end of the year. Warning, this is long ass post. But is possibly the most beautiful theory I’ve ever made. This is also all based on the idea that they show us deliberate things so things aren't a shock to us.

Grab your tinfoil because I'm actually really proud of this one

Things we already know
Upload schedule - we have Halloween videos next month, with a confirmed spooky week, potential for another baking video, PINOF, possibly a new DITL and some festive videos. This time of the year is fairly structured for them, particularly from October - December, and is therefore predictable. These videos will be somewhat scripted, which is relevant.

That week in March - gone from '5 months' to 'another 2 months' aka ask about it in October, which is at when their end of year schedule begins. Possibility of Dan being a giant troll, but also the possibility that something will genuinely happen and he wanted to check to make sure interest hadnt died out (explains why he split the time up)

Their videos are different - has anyone else noticed this? I keep seeing moments where i'm like 'that would've been cut out before', or 'they would've never said this/done this 2 years ago'. Biggest examples - Slime video, Tinder video, that last golf video. The 2 minutes of solid flirting during one of the Bomb videos.

Dan NEVER used to have featured channels - not even his own side channel ffs - and now all of a sudden AmazingPhil is there? You don't just do that. Its deliberate. He could've just promoted DINI and DAPG, but he chose AP too - and not because he's an extra on AP either. It means something, it shows how important Phil is in a way that is very subtle, but very not subtle.

Twitter interactions - they're interacting a LOT more than usual. Favouriting and commenting. That probably means nothing right, wrong. If they're hinting at something, the amount they are interacting online is not insignificant. Its tangible and different.

and now the moving train stuff - and an alternative view on it.

Bad wifi - this was stated as a reason to move in the first place. If the new place doesn’t have good wifi, and its so bad to stop them streaming, it’s preparing us for livestream black outs which allow them to skip streams etc. It also plants the idea that they could be moving, because the internet is their job and they need fast internet. And the fact that their stories on it don't match up either, its another indication that something is up.

Moon Room Stream and Gaming Room Stream - this is what I most want to discuss. The Moon Room was supposed to never be on the internet. Why suddenly put it on and show us more than his moon mirror? (i.e. thats Phil's fucking mirror and holy shit are those Phil's shoes?) He wanted us to see that there are things that are Phil's in his room, thats the only explanation. He had other locations to choose from and instead he chose this room. It was deliberate and it had meaning.

Then, after this, why did Dan mobile stream in the gaming room on his phone? Is it because they're moving? Or is it because its a way to red flag to the phandom that something is going to happen imminently and they need to be watching? When was the last time he phone streamed? Just before the move. So a mobile stream is a good way to pique interest that something is afoot - but only to those willing to look for it. Maybe not indicting a move, but a subtle way of showing those dedicated enough to care that something is up? Like Dan pushing us to be like ‘look harder’

Not a forever home- its established that this place is temporary and they have indicated some flaws with it. And the more they talk about the flaws, the more it seems like they’re going to move because they’re dropping hints that they can find something better.

#bruisegate/dickscource - how did Phil get those bruises? He didnt want to answer, so its possible his ‘answer’ was something mundane to stop us reading into it - aka that they’re moving

and now for the relationship evidence - hoo boy, i'm just gonna drop the big recent ones here tbh

Moon Room - as above basically, Phil's stuff was in there, and Dan was very deliberate about what we saw. Which indicates Dan is trying to show us something.

Beardroom - I still can't see him sleeping in that room, plus all the other reasons that have been discussed to death. I.e. its not big enough, its not personal enough, etc etc.

Centipede - that flooring wasn't the flooring from Phil's room, but it was definitely a match for Dans - and Phil said it was his bedroom. Which indicates that the room we see is a set and he either uses that room to film in and has a separate room, or he sleeps in the Moon Room.

Misc evidence.

Dan was there, obviously - before it would've been downplayed - theres even that video where Dan denies being on the phone to Phil when a spider landed on him, only for Phil to out him. But now its obvious, do we even need confirmation Dan was there, no, because its obvious he would be because its obvious they do everything together. It never used to be like this. It never used to be a given, it was always people trying to prove that Dan was there too and being shouted down for it. It being obvious IS something that is different.

Sleepless Night video - Phil subtly asserting control. According to this video, he has his own room which he sleeps in separate to Dans, but there were little idiosyncrasies that make it seem like this video wasn’t filmed when it was claimed. Which makes me feel like he wanted to push the narrative that he slept in that room, while simultaneously telling people to look harder.

Phils last live stream with the lava lamp - again, I don't think they are so naïve to not be able to judge the ‘temperature’ of the phandom. They must know that people think they are moving, so if they show a little wall which shows that their place is furnished, it’s a subtle ‘no not quite’. So they might be moving, but thats not what they’re trying to tell us.

Not a forever home part 2 - as above, temporary place, the indication that their next steps are going to be taken together. Which means that if they move again to somewhere that is bought and not just rented, it changes the connotations of their relationship. It’s pretty hard for it not to because you can’t just shrug off what that means. Renting is temporary, buying indicates a seriousness to their relationship that we haven't seen before.

So what does this all mean?

This is my own interpretation because I wasn't here for The Move™ but I feel like I know enough about it. They dropped hints, they drip fed us. Now there are hints that they're moving again, sure, but there are also other things that are significant that don't fit onto the moving train - unless we view the moving train as a commitment train?

Think about it - I am still aboard the moving train but it feels like they're hinting less towards a move and more towards a confirmation that they are committed and moving forward together. There are more hints that they're committing to each other seriously than there are to them moving.

We already know its a possibility that they will move again, and move soon, because they’ve already braced us for it. So now this is more about what a new move would mean, if they were choosing to move to a forever home, separately, they would be willingly asserting themselves away from each other (think Dan circa 2013 - they were convenient flatmates, nothing more). If they are choosing to move together, the undeniable subtext of this is that they are together because buying someone for forever is a much, much bigger commitment than renting. So rather than bracing us for the move that we already know will happen at some point (probably within the next six months) they are bracing us for the other part of the move, what the move shows and confirms to us. Which is why there are more couple vibes, more flirting, more innuendo, because there will be a point of no return and they don't want it to come out of nowhere.

So i'm not saying a confirmation is coming, but thats exactly what I'm saying. Because if they move somewhere permanent, together, it is undeniable. We know they're gonna move again, this now is preparing us for what that means - i.e. phan is real.

So remember how I said their upload schedule was relevant.

They could move during spooky week - because it would be at least a week of solid videos where they can skip out on livestreaming. Which means, if I’m right, things are going to pick up speed in the next 8 weeks.

But the big one for me is the iconic PINOF.

PINOF 9 - theres no way it can be filmed in that tiny little room. Based on the sheer amount they move around. So my prediction is that the commitment train is going to have reached its destination before or during PINOF 9. (and the trashcan in me is saying that because it is going to be the first PINOF following the move its going to be called Phil Howell and this is how they announce that they’re married af or something)

Either way, I’m predicting that something big is going to happen before the end of the year.

Conductor, I'd like one train ticket please.
I'm on this all the way.

I haven't been posting much lately, but I've read everything and there's been so much quality content from all of you.

As for the new slime video, I now have a new fave AP video! I'm obsessed with his hands so this was gold, and now I'm obsessed with his voice as well.

[fancybum]

Grab your tinfoil because I'm actually really proud of this one

Things we already know
Upload schedule - we have Halloween videos next month, with a confirmed spooky week, potential for another baking video, PINOF, possibly a new DITL and some festive videos. This time of the year is fairly structured for them, particularly from October - December, and is therefore predictable. These videos will be somewhat scripted, which is relevant.

That week in March - gone from '5 months' to 'another 2 months' aka ask about it in October, which is at when their end of year schedule begins. Possibility of Dan being a giant troll, but also the possibility that something will genuinely happen and he wanted to check to make sure interest hadnt died out (explains why he split the time up)

Their videos are different - has anyone else noticed this? I keep seeing moments where i'm like 'that would've been cut out before', or 'they would've never said this/done this 2 years ago'. Biggest examples - Slime video, Tinder video, that last golf video. The 2 minutes of solid flirting during one of the Bomb videos.

Dan NEVER used to have featured channels - not even his own side channel ffs - and now all of a sudden AmazingPhil is there? You don't just do that. Its deliberate. He could've just promoted DINI and DAPG, but he chose AP too - and not because he's an extra on AP either. It means something, it shows how important Phil is in a way that is very subtle, but very not subtle.

Twitter interactions - they're interacting a LOT more than usual. Favouriting and commenting. That probably means nothing right, wrong. If they're hinting at something, the amount they are interacting online is not insignificant. Its tangible and different.

and now the moving train stuff - and an alternative view on it.

Bad wifi - this was stated as a reason to move in the first place. If the new place doesn’t have good wifi, and its so bad to stop them streaming, it’s preparing us for livestream black outs which allow them to skip streams etc. It also plants the idea that they could be moving, because the internet is their job and they need fast internet. And the fact that their stories on it don't match up either, its another indication that something is up.

Moon Room Stream and Gaming Room Stream - this is what I most want to discuss. The Moon Room was supposed to never be on the internet. Why suddenly put it on and show us more than his moon mirror? (i.e. thats Phil's fucking mirror and holy shit are those Phil's shoes?) He wanted us to see that there are things that are Phil's in his room, thats the only explanation. He had other locations to choose from and instead he chose this room. It was deliberate and it had meaning.

Then, after this, why did Dan mobile stream in the gaming room on his phone? Is it because they're moving? Or is it because its a way to red flag to the phandom that something is going to happen imminently and they need to be watching? When was the last time he phone streamed? Just before the move. So a mobile stream is a good way to pique interest that something is afoot - but only to those willing to look for it. Maybe not indicting a move, but a subtle way of showing those dedicated enough to care that something is up? Like Dan pushing us to be like ‘look harder’

Not a forever home- its established that this place is temporary and they have indicated some flaws with it. And the more they talk about the flaws, the more it seems like they’re going to move because they’re dropping hints that they can find something better.

#bruisegate/dickscource - how did Phil get those bruises? He didnt want to answer, so its possible his ‘answer’ was something mundane to stop us reading into it - aka that they’re moving

and now for the relationship evidence - hoo boy, i'm just gonna drop the big recent ones here tbh

Moon Room - as above basically, Phil's stuff was in there, and Dan was very deliberate about what we saw. Which indicates Dan is trying to show us something.

Beardroom - I still can't see him sleeping in that room, plus all the other reasons that have been discussed to death. I.e. its not big enough, its not personal enough, etc etc.

Centipede - that flooring wasn't the flooring from Phil's room, but it was definitely a match for Dans - and Phil said it was his bedroom. Which indicates that the room we see is a set and he either uses that room to film in and has a separate room, or he sleeps in the Moon Room.

Misc evidence.

Dan was there, obviously - before it would've been downplayed - theres even that video where Dan denies being on the phone to Phil when a spider landed on him, only for Phil to out him. But now its obvious, do we even need confirmation Dan was there, no, because its obvious he would be because its obvious they do everything together. It never used to be like this. It never used to be a given, it was always people trying to prove that Dan was there too and being shouted down for it. It being obvious IS something that is different.

Sleepless Night video - Phil subtly asserting control. According to this video, he has his own room which he sleeps in separate to Dans, but there were little idiosyncrasies that make it seem like this video wasn’t filmed when it was claimed. Which makes me feel like he wanted to push the narrative that he slept in that room, while simultaneously telling people to look harder.

Phils last live stream with the lava lamp - again, I don't think they are so naïve to not be able to judge the ‘temperature’ of the phandom. They must know that people think they are moving, so if they show a little wall which shows that their place is furnished, it’s a subtle ‘no not quite’. So they might be moving, but thats not what they’re trying to tell us.

Not a forever home part 2 - as above, temporary place, the indication that their next steps are going to be taken together. Which means that if they move again to somewhere that is bought and not just rented, it changes the connotations of their relationship. It’s pretty hard for it not to because you can’t just shrug off what that means. Renting is temporary, buying indicates a seriousness to their relationship that we haven't seen before.

So what does this all mean?

This is my own interpretation because I wasn't here for The Move™ but I feel like I know enough about it. They dropped hints, they drip fed us. Now there are hints that they're moving again, sure, but there are also other things that are significant that don't fit onto the moving train - unless we view the moving train as a commitment train?

Think about it - I am still aboard the moving train but it feels like they're hinting less towards a move and more towards a confirmation that they are committed and moving forward together. There are more hints that they're committing to each other seriously than there are to them moving.

We already know its a possibility that they will move again, and move soon, because they’ve already braced us for it. So now this is more about what a new move would mean, if they were choosing to move to a forever home, separately, they would be willingly asserting themselves away from each other (think Dan circa 2013 - they were convenient flatmates, nothing more). If they are choosing to move together, the undeniable subtext of this is that they are together because buying someone for forever is a much, much bigger commitment than renting. So rather than bracing us for the move that we already know will happen at some point (probably within the next six months) they are bracing us for the other part of the move, what the move shows and confirms to us. Which is why there are more couple vibes, more flirting, more innuendo, because there will be a point of no return and they don't want it to come out of nowhere.

So i'm not saying a confirmation is coming, but thats exactly what I'm saying. Because if they move somewhere permanent, together, it is undeniable. We know they're gonna move again, this now is preparing us for what that means - i.e. phan is real.

So remember how I said their upload schedule was relevant.

They could move during spooky week - because it would be at least a week of solid videos where they can skip out on livestreaming. Which means, if I’m right, things are going to pick up speed in the next 8 weeks.

But the big one for me is the iconic PINOF.

PINOF 9 - theres no way it can be filmed in that tiny little room. Based on the sheer amount they move around. So my prediction is that the commitment train is going to have reached its destination before or during PINOF 9. (and the trashcan in me is saying that because it is going to be the first PINOF following the move its going to be called Phil Howell and this is how they announce that they’re married af or something)

Either way, I’m predicting that something big is going to happen before the end of the year.

Nah. I'm sorry, but taking every instance of them indicating one thing ('I'm Phil and this is my room') as a ruse intended to make the audience not buy it and instead "look harder" is creepy. If something doesn't fit into the narrative you want to see, it's probably just because it doesn't fit and not because they're doing some insanely backwards and complicated reverse psychology game trying to provoke people into disregarding their line of privacy. Do they drop hints about things? Yes. But what you've described is a bit much. Moving? Sure. Professing their undying non-platonic love to each other in the next pinof? Nah.

[flarequake]

I like the theories, but I doubt they're inviting us to look harder and I bet they'll manage Pinof in Phil's room and just be a bit squished. Maybe we'll have to suggest they use a bigger space for something if we suggest doing yoga where they have to stretch, or they'll either refuse to do it or knock Phil's dresser over (btw what are those three nail varnish-type bottles on it, the red, yellow and green ones?)

I love his hands and voice too, Whommel, so pretty and deep.

[alch]

Hey guys, I have an alternative to the moving train theory. Like a serious alternative. This has literally taken me about 2 hours to write.

Basically - I've been lurking on various tumblrs and seen a lot of people noticing that there are things that are different, something is different. A logical conclusion is moving - but I had a thought about an alternative (thank you thephandommenace for being a good sounding board for my insomniac ideas). What if, what they're building to isn't a 'we're moving again lol' but a 'we're together/committed af', and why the two don't have to be mutually exclusive this time. I know this argument is had about every three days so I'm gonna put it under a spoiler, but just hear me out.

Basically, the crux of this falls to a few things that have happened in the past month and the last few videos in general. And a few things we know about their upload schedule during the end of the year. Warning, this is long ass post. But is possibly the most beautiful theory I’ve ever made. This is also all based on the idea that they show us deliberate things so things aren't a shock to us.

Grab your tinfoil because I'm actually really proud of this one

Things we already know
Upload schedule - we have Halloween videos next month, with a confirmed spooky week, potential for another baking video, PINOF, possibly a new DITL and some festive videos. This time of the year is fairly structured for them, particularly from October - December, and is therefore predictable. These videos will be somewhat scripted, which is relevant.

That week in March - gone from '5 months' to 'another 2 months' aka ask about it in October, which is at when their end of year schedule begins. Possibility of Dan being a giant troll, but also the possibility that something will genuinely happen and he wanted to check to make sure interest hadnt died out (explains why he split the time up)

Their videos are different - has anyone else noticed this? I keep seeing moments where i'm like 'that would've been cut out before', or 'they would've never said this/done this 2 years ago'. Biggest examples - Slime video, Tinder video, that last golf video. The 2 minutes of solid flirting during one of the Bomb videos.

Dan NEVER used to have featured channels - not even his own side channel ffs - and now all of a sudden AmazingPhil is there? You don't just do that. Its deliberate. He could've just promoted DINI and DAPG, but he chose AP too - and not because he's an extra on AP either. It means something, it shows how important Phil is in a way that is very subtle, but very not subtle.

Twitter interactions - they're interacting a LOT more than usual. Favouriting and commenting. That probably means nothing right, wrong. If they're hinting at something, the amount they are interacting online is not insignificant. Its tangible and different.

and now the moving train stuff - and an alternative view on it.

Bad wifi - this was stated as a reason to move in the first place. If the new place doesn’t have good wifi, and its so bad to stop them streaming, it’s preparing us for livestream black outs which allow them to skip streams etc. It also plants the idea that they could be moving, because the internet is their job and they need fast internet. And the fact that their stories on it don't match up either, its another indication that something is up.

Moon Room Stream and Gaming Room Stream - this is what I most want to discuss. The Moon Room was supposed to never be on the internet. Why suddenly put it on and show us more than his moon mirror? (i.e. thats Phil's fucking mirror and holy shit are those Phil's shoes?) He wanted us to see that there are things that are Phil's in his room, thats the only explanation. He had other locations to choose from and instead he chose this room. It was deliberate and it had meaning.

Then, after this, why did Dan mobile stream in the gaming room on his phone? Is it because they're moving? Or is it because its a way to red flag to the phandom that something is going to happen imminently and they need to be watching? When was the last time he phone streamed? Just before the move. So a mobile stream is a good way to pique interest that something is afoot - but only to those willing to look for it. Maybe not indicting a move, but a subtle way of showing those dedicated enough to care that something is up? Like Dan pushing us to be like ‘look harder’

Not a forever home- its established that this place is temporary and they have indicated some flaws with it. And the more they talk about the flaws, the more it seems like they’re going to move because they’re dropping hints that they can find something better.

#bruisegate/dickscource - how did Phil get those bruises? He didnt want to answer, so its possible his ‘answer’ was something mundane to stop us reading into it - aka that they’re moving

and now for the relationship evidence - hoo boy, i'm just gonna drop the big recent ones here tbh

Moon Room - as above basically, Phil's stuff was in there, and Dan was very deliberate about what we saw. Which indicates Dan is trying to show us something.

Beardroom - I still can't see him sleeping in that room, plus all the other reasons that have been discussed to death. I.e. its not big enough, its not personal enough, etc etc.

Centipede - that flooring wasn't the flooring from Phil's room, but it was definitely a match for Dans - and Phil said it was his bedroom. Which indicates that the room we see is a set and he either uses that room to film in and has a separate room, or he sleeps in the Moon Room.

Misc evidence.

Dan was there, obviously - before it would've been downplayed - theres even that video where Dan denies being on the phone to Phil when a spider landed on him, only for Phil to out him. But now its obvious, do we even need confirmation Dan was there, no, because its obvious he would be because its obvious they do everything together. It never used to be like this. It never used to be a given, it was always people trying to prove that Dan was there too and being shouted down for it. It being obvious IS something that is different.

Sleepless Night video - Phil subtly asserting control. According to this video, he has his own room which he sleeps in separate to Dans, but there were little idiosyncrasies that make it seem like this video wasn’t filmed when it was claimed. Which makes me feel like he wanted to push the narrative that he slept in that room, while simultaneously telling people to look harder.

Phils last live stream with the lava lamp - again, I don't think they are so naïve to not be able to judge the ‘temperature’ of the phandom. They must know that people think they are moving, so if they show a little wall which shows that their place is furnished, it’s a subtle ‘no not quite’. So they might be moving, but thats not what they’re trying to tell us.

Not a forever home part 2 - as above, temporary place, the indication that their next steps are going to be taken together. Which means that if they move again to somewhere that is bought and not just rented, it changes the connotations of their relationship. It’s pretty hard for it not to because you can’t just shrug off what that means. Renting is temporary, buying indicates a seriousness to their relationship that we haven't seen before.

So what does this all mean?

This is my own interpretation because I wasn't here for The Move™ but I feel like I know enough about it. They dropped hints, they drip fed us. Now there are hints that they're moving again, sure, but there are also other things that are significant that don't fit onto the moving train - unless we view the moving train as a commitment train?

Think about it - I am still aboard the moving train but it feels like they're hinting less towards a move and more towards a confirmation that they are committed and moving forward together. There are more hints that they're committing to each other seriously than there are to them moving.

We already know its a possibility that they will move again, and move soon, because they’ve already braced us for it. So now this is more about what a new move would mean, if they were choosing to move to a forever home, separately, they would be willingly asserting themselves away from each other (think Dan circa 2013 - they were convenient flatmates, nothing more). If they are choosing to move together, the undeniable subtext of this is that they are together because buying someone for forever is a much, much bigger commitment than renting. So rather than bracing us for the move that we already know will happen at some point (probably within the next six months) they are bracing us for the other part of the move, what the move shows and confirms to us. Which is why there are more couple vibes, more flirting, more innuendo, because there will be a point of no return and they don't want it to come out of nowhere.

So i'm not saying a confirmation is coming, but thats exactly what I'm saying. Because if they move somewhere permanent, together, it is undeniable. We know they're gonna move again, this now is preparing us for what that means - i.e. phan is real.

So remember how I said their upload schedule was relevant.

They could move during spooky week - because it would be at least a week of solid videos where they can skip out on livestreaming. Which means, if I’m right, things are going to pick up speed in the next 8 weeks.

But the big one for me is the iconic PINOF.

PINOF 9 - theres no way it can be filmed in that tiny little room. Based on the sheer amount they move around. So my prediction is that the commitment train is going to have reached its destination before or during PINOF 9. (and the trashcan in me is saying that because it is going to be the first PINOF following the move its going to be called Phil Howell and this is how they announce that they’re married af or something)

Either way, I’m predicting that something big is going to happen before the end of the year.

I mean, I would love for this to be true, but I think PINOF 9 is a bit soon. I also wasn't here for the original move but I've read through enough old forums to know that they were dropping hints for a while and even if they've been dropping hints for a confirmation lately, it would still be a bit abrupt to turn PINOF 9 into a "hey, we're together" announcement. I'm predicting PINOF 9 will just be in that tiny, cramped area and they'll act like there's enough space in there. I agree with fancybum that the sleepless night video wasn't really saying to look harder. I think that video was just Dan and Phil trying to tell their audience to stop with the theories (though I'm not quite sure why Dan had his liveshow in the moon room). I do believe that they're getting closer and closer to a confirmation, but something that confirms the biggest mystery of their entire brand is going to take a very long time.

[Offtopic]I was wondering about something and decided to ask you guys. What's the difference between shipbaiting and fanservice? I get the difference between queerbaiting and the other two. Also if you answer my question I might not be able to respond back because I'm not going to have an internet connection very often in the next couple of months.[/Offtopic]

[Offtopic]I'm probably not the most informed person on this topic so correct me if I'm wrong but I think fanservice is broader? Shipbaiting is purely shipbaiting but fanservice can include shipbaiting as well as anything that the audience really wants to see. For example, I think Dan painting his nails probably could have counted as fanservice but definitely not shipbaiting.[/Offtopic]

[malday]

Grab your tinfoil because I'm actually really proud of this one

Things we already know
Upload schedule - we have Halloween videos next month, with a confirmed spooky week, potential for another baking video, PINOF, possibly a new DITL and some festive videos. This time of the year is fairly structured for them, particularly from October - December, and is therefore predictable. These videos will be somewhat scripted, which is relevant.

That week in March - gone from '5 months' to 'another 2 months' aka ask about it in October, which is at when their end of year schedule begins. Possibility of Dan being a giant troll, but also the possibility that something will genuinely happen and he wanted to check to make sure interest hadnt died out (explains why he split the time up)

Their videos are different - has anyone else noticed this? I keep seeing moments where i'm like 'that would've been cut out before', or 'they would've never said this/done this 2 years ago'. Biggest examples - Slime video, Tinder video, that last golf video. The 2 minutes of solid flirting during one of the Bomb videos.

Dan NEVER used to have featured channels - not even his own side channel ffs - and now all of a sudden AmazingPhil is there? You don't just do that. Its deliberate. He could've just promoted DINI and DAPG, but he chose AP too - and not because he's an extra on AP either. It means something, it shows how important Phil is in a way that is very subtle, but very not subtle.

Twitter interactions - they're interacting a LOT more than usual. Favouriting and commenting. That probably means nothing right, wrong. If they're hinting at something, the amount they are interacting online is not insignificant. Its tangible and different.

and now the moving train stuff - and an alternative view on it.

Bad wifi - this was stated as a reason to move in the first place. If the new place doesn’t have good wifi, and its so bad to stop them streaming, it’s preparing us for livestream black outs which allow them to skip streams etc. It also plants the idea that they could be moving, because the internet is their job and they need fast internet. And the fact that their stories on it don't match up either, its another indication that something is up.

Moon Room Stream and Gaming Room Stream - this is what I most want to discuss. The Moon Room was supposed to never be on the internet. Why suddenly put it on and show us more than his moon mirror? (i.e. thats Phil's fucking mirror and holy shit are those Phil's shoes?) He wanted us to see that there are things that are Phil's in his room, thats the only explanation. He had other locations to choose from and instead he chose this room. It was deliberate and it had meaning.

Then, after this, why did Dan mobile stream in the gaming room on his phone? Is it because they're moving? Or is it because its a way to red flag to the phandom that something is going to happen imminently and they need to be watching? When was the last time he phone streamed? Just before the move. So a mobile stream is a good way to pique interest that something is afoot - but only to those willing to look for it. Maybe not indicting a move, but a subtle way of showing those dedicated enough to care that something is up? Like Dan pushing us to be like ‘look harder’

Not a forever home- its established that this place is temporary and they have indicated some flaws with it. And the more they talk about the flaws, the more it seems like they’re going to move because they’re dropping hints that they can find something better.

#bruisegate/dickscource - how did Phil get those bruises? He didnt want to answer, so its possible his ‘answer’ was something mundane to stop us reading into it - aka that they’re moving

and now for the relationship evidence - hoo boy, i'm just gonna drop the big recent ones here tbh

Moon Room - as above basically, Phil's stuff was in there, and Dan was very deliberate about what we saw. Which indicates Dan is trying to show us something.

Beardroom - I still can't see him sleeping in that room, plus all the other reasons that have been discussed to death. I.e. its not big enough, its not personal enough, etc etc.

Centipede - that flooring wasn't the flooring from Phil's room, but it was definitely a match for Dans - and Phil said it was his bedroom. Which indicates that the room we see is a set and he either uses that room to film in and has a separate room, or he sleeps in the Moon Room.

Misc evidence.

Dan was there, obviously - before it would've been downplayed - theres even that video where Dan denies being on the phone to Phil when a spider landed on him, only for Phil to out him. But now its obvious, do we even need confirmation Dan was there, no, because its obvious he would be because its obvious they do everything together. It never used to be like this. It never used to be a given, it was always people trying to prove that Dan was there too and being shouted down for it. It being obvious IS something that is different.

Sleepless Night video - Phil subtly asserting control. According to this video, he has his own room which he sleeps in separate to Dans, but there were little idiosyncrasies that make it seem like this video wasn’t filmed when it was claimed. Which makes me feel like he wanted to push the narrative that he slept in that room, while simultaneously telling people to look harder.

Phils last live stream with the lava lamp - again, I don't think they are so naïve to not be able to judge the ‘temperature’ of the phandom. They must know that people think they are moving, so if they show a little wall which shows that their place is furnished, it’s a subtle ‘no not quite’. So they might be moving, but thats not what they’re trying to tell us.

Not a forever home part 2 - as above, temporary place, the indication that their next steps are going to be taken together. Which means that if they move again to somewhere that is bought and not just rented, it changes the connotations of their relationship. It’s pretty hard for it not to because you can’t just shrug off what that means. Renting is temporary, buying indicates a seriousness to their relationship that we haven't seen before.

So what does this all mean?

This is my own interpretation because I wasn't here for The Move™ but I feel like I know enough about it. They dropped hints, they drip fed us. Now there are hints that they're moving again, sure, but there are also other things that are significant that don't fit onto the moving train - unless we view the moving train as a commitment train?

Think about it - I am still aboard the moving train but it feels like they're hinting less towards a move and more towards a confirmation that they are committed and moving forward together. There are more hints that they're committing to each other seriously than there are to them moving.

We already know its a possibility that they will move again, and move soon, because they’ve already braced us for it. So now this is more about what a new move would mean, if they were choosing to move to a forever home, separately, they would be willingly asserting themselves away from each other (think Dan circa 2013 - they were convenient flatmates, nothing more). If they are choosing to move together, the undeniable subtext of this is that they are together because buying someone for forever is a much, much bigger commitment than renting. So rather than bracing us for the move that we already know will happen at some point (probably within the next six months) they are bracing us for the other part of the move, what the move shows and confirms to us. Which is why there are more couple vibes, more flirting, more innuendo, because there will be a point of no return and they don't want it to come out of nowhere.

So i'm not saying a confirmation is coming, but thats exactly what I'm saying. Because if they move somewhere permanent, together, it is undeniable. We know they're gonna move again, this now is preparing us for what that means - i.e. phan is real.

So remember how I said their upload schedule was relevant.

They could move during spooky week - because it would be at least a week of solid videos where they can skip out on livestreaming. Which means, if I’m right, things are going to pick up speed in the next 8 weeks.

But the big one for me is the iconic PINOF.

PINOF 9 - theres no way it can be filmed in that tiny little room. Based on the sheer amount they move around. So my prediction is that the commitment train is going to have reached its destination before or during PINOF 9. (and the trashcan in me is saying that because it is going to be the first PINOF following the move its going to be called Phil Howell and this is how they announce that they’re married af or something)

Either way, I’m predicting that something big is going to happen before the end of the year.

That's a nice roundup of clues.
But i think you need to factor the possible secret project into all of this. Because that might just be the big thing.
In his ls Phil seemed pretty proud of the Edinburgh TV festival interview they did, and even encouraged people to watch it, so it must count for something.
I hope someone corrects me if i'm wrong, but i think there were similar speculations and expectations of some sort of confirmation before they announced the book and tour and then a little backlash happened because they didn't meet those expectations?
So maybe staying a little grounded would be better.

But as a conspiracy theory, your alternative is nice to think about .

[autumnhearth]

Some interesting points I agree with sparkle, mainly getting us used to commitment. But like fancybum I also feel like A Hungry Sleepness Night With Phil was neither damage control nor hints, it was just a big mistake of a video imo. I also firmly do not believe that PINOF 9 will be called anything other than PINOF 9. 'Phil Howell' was a cute thought when Dan rebranded, but they've affirmed that it will always be pinof as it is a sequel to their origin story, and I'm happy with that. (I also think that if they do get married they will keep their surnames). Do I hope they are moved by then? Yes. Would Spooky Week be convient? Yes. But I'm just not all in right now. I feel burned by August. Though I'm starting to think Dan just can't count months... or ages.

flarequake I think they are the magnetic cacti pots, but I could be totally wrong.

[alittledizzy]

Fan service is generally when a writer has a character do something they wouldn't normally do just because fans want it. It's like in a tv show when there is a main pairing but fans really like other people together so writers contrive some reason for them to kiss (Doctor Who was great at that) even though it's a one off moment never referred to again. For dan and Phil, you ou hit the same obstacle with arguing things they do as fanservice that you do with queerbaiting: they are real people not fictional characters. it's pretty tricky to try and assume the motive behind what a real person does because there is more to them than the narrative we used, unlike tv or book characters that begin and end with a story we see the full scope of.

[lefthandedism]

[Offtopic]I really feel like baking today; has anyone here tried using the Halloween baking recipes and replicated them (more) successfully? I'm especially considering the brownie (minus graveyard) or the Pumpkin cookies. [/Offtopic]

i made the pspcs last year and they came out fine. my only complaint is that i had to check like five stores in order to buy molasses and now own a gigantic jar of it.

[Offtopic]I know you've chose the brownies LtrllySusan, but I made the Pumpkin Spice Pumpkin Cookies and they were amazing. Continuing with my British vs American baking observations, when I translated Dan's recipe back into American, I found he had doubled the spices, which was a good move (I think I literally found the same recipe but with half the spice).

American was built on molasses (and rum and slaves, as we were taught), so it's easy to find here. Also, it literally lasts forever, so lurker, you're set to make PSPC for the next decade :thumbs up emoji:.[/Offtopic]

[fancybum]

Some interesting points I agree with sparkle, mainly getting us used to commitment. But like fancybum I also feel like A Hungry Sleepness Night With Phil was neither damage control nor hints, it was just a big mistake of a video imo.

(I just want to sneak in here and say that I don't think his Sleepless Night video was any more of a mistake than the previous ones because it was the exact same thing. Any backlash it got or any negative feelings about it (beyond people just finding it derivative or boring or whatever which is fair enough) not living up to certain ~expectations is all on the audience for having unreasonable expectations of their own making)

Genuine question: what in the world would they gain from making their relationship public (in an overt "ok here's the truth internet" way rather than "we're existing as we are, make of it what you will" way- the overt one for some reason being the focus of people's theories lately)? I know people just want to Know, but what exactly gives off the impression that D&P themselves want to open that door to the entire flipping internet after years of very plainly saying that's not what they want their content to focus on in any way? "Well they'll still make the same content and act the same on camera" - yeah well then why would they bother changing their public relationship definition then? There's nothing to gain. Apart from the frenzied attention any 'coming outs' attract, which is not at all the kind of attention they seem like they'd be comfortable with.

[archived]

Genuine question: what in the world would they gain from making their relationship public (in an overt "ok here's the truth internet" way rather than "we're existing as we are, make of it what you will" way- the overt one for some reason being the focus of people's theories lately)? I know people just want to Know, but what exactly gives off the impression that D&P themselves want to open that door to the entire flipping internet after years of very plainly saying that's not what they want their content to focus on in any way? "Well they'll still make the same content and act the same on camera" - yeah well then why would they bother changing their public relationship definition then? There's nothing to gain. Apart from the frenzied attention any 'coming outs' attract, which is not at all the kind of attention they seem like they'd be comfortable with.

Freedom I suppose. If they are in a relationship, they probably have to cut stuff out and not do certain things in public. Basically, they could act like a normal couple.

[liola]

Finally watched the new AP video and loved it so much! I care 0 about slime so I wasn't sure what to expect but I think it was his energy that really drove this video home. It's obvious he was really enjoying it, he didn't care that it wasn't top content, he was doing what he likes to do for his channel - whatever his nerdy beautiful mind craves. The humor was incredible, his more mature references are making my beat and he looked particularly cute and his hair glossy and lovely.

Fanboy Dan is giving me life I saw people mention he commented on youtube too but I haven't seen it, but his tweet was the perfect domestic bant and the fact that Phil ignores him is just 10/10. Come on Dan, you had your moment 8 years ago.

Re theories, I do think that everything they've done in the past year is reinforce some kind of commitmnet - I'd say it started with the BONCAs. And before that, speaking only about their channels, it started with the DanAndPhil brand, the gaming channel, TABINOF etc. But everything since Gamingmas has been just that subtle "hey, we're committed to each other" in my opinion, which culminated in the move - because seriously, if they wanted to grow apart in a life-way it would've been that moment.

That said, I don't think they'd use PINOF or anything "grand" to give a confirmation, it's not their style. If they ever do, I think it would just be something in passing - a caption on a picture, a moment during a liveshow, something small and subtle. They care about their privacy too much to showcase something in a big way. And following this headcanon I think it's way the phandom has become more and more sure that they are indeed together.

But to reply to fancybum about what they'd gain if they made the relationship public, I think the answer is just..freedom. Freedom to be more open about small things in life and not feel the need to cover up, maybe share more if they wanted to, maybe just not "fear" to be too close, to say too much? That's the only thing. I can imagine, like 5 years from now, they want to get married/start a family. It's hard to keep those things hidden, especially if you're a public figure. Sooner or later, some things would be out. And I don't know, I think if I was them I would want to be the one in control than let it out of my hands, you know?

But obviously this is my opinion, and I'm nowhere near being in a possible-relationship or in a glass-closet or in the closet alltogether. I have no clue what a coming out feels like and can't even imagine, so my thought can be easily disregarded lmao

[fancybum]

Genuine question: what in the world would they gain from making their relationship public (in an overt "ok here's the truth internet" way rather than "we're existing as we are, make of it what you will" way- the overt one for some reason being the focus of people's theories lately)? I know people just want to Know, but what exactly gives off the impression that D&P themselves want to open that door to the entire flipping internet after years of very plainly saying that's not what they want their content to focus on in any way? "Well they'll still make the same content and act the same on camera" - yeah well then why would they bother changing their public relationship definition then? There's nothing to gain. Apart from the frenzied attention any 'coming outs' attract, which is not at all the kind of attention they seem like they'd be comfortable with.

Freedom I suppose. If they are in a relationship, they probably have to cut stuff out and not do certain things in public. Basically, they could act like a normal couple.

Ok what does that specifically mean beyond how they already act? They're not going to suddenly have the urge to do the chapstick challenge or do the boyfriend tag or basically any amount of PDA. I just feel like people are projecting their own desires of what they want to see D&P do onto what they think D&P themselves want to do, ignoring what they've actually said on the subject. More 'freedom' to relax or whatever (more than they already have..?) for the ~20mins of their day they film to put online every few days/weeks doesn't seem worth the cost of what they'd be giving up.

[LtrllySusan]

Something I wanna throw into the "agenda to come out" discussion - this is just a feeling and probably amplified by confirmation bias, but to me it seems like Dan is more comfortable with the new agenda than Phil.

It was Dan who showed the moonroom, it was Phil who stuck with the Sleepless Night plan. It was Dan who mentioned foreverhome, who talked about #thatweekinmarch, but it was Phil who seemed uncomfortable telling the leg bruise story. It was also Dan who admitted to "planting seeds", but then there's Phil with his "we are not moving" LS camera angle.

I am not sure what this means, maybe mastermind sparkle can make something of it. It was just something that stood out to me after I saw the bruise discussion on the gaming LS and then reconsidered the last months.

Disclaimer: I am only talking about their online personas, so this has nothing to do with their actual relationship but rather the display of it.

[FandomLurker]

Also, what's up with Dan, replying to almost every tweet from Phil lately? I'm not used to that!
But I love it, somehow seems like they feel safe interacting/showing affection in general lately

Dan has been all up in his twitter and Phil could not be bothered and I am LIVING for Dan's twitter interactions with Phil.

Agreed, I also love that he's added Phil in his listed channels (only one there with DAPG and dini) and been replying to him non-stop, like he also posted his twitter reply about clothes being full of glitter in the comments on youtube lmao that's dedication.
It's just funny that even on the internet (like the one place where you can literally talk to anyone) and on top of already being in their little bubble irl, Dan somehow still chooses to almost only interact with Phil

Yes!! I really am curious about how much they talk about and how much discussion goes into decisions like that? Like I love it but why now? When I noticed that I also looked at Phils listed channels and found the SMOSH and Duncan but not Mimei curious.

[FandomLurker]

Something I wanna throw into the "agenda to come out" discussion - this is just a feeling and probably amplified by confirmation bias, but to me it seems like Dan is more comfortable with the new agenda than Phil.

It was Dan who showed the moonroom, it was Phil who stuck with the Sleepless Night plan. It was Dan who mentioned foreverhome, who talked about #thatweekinmarch, but it was Phil who seemed uncomfortable telling the leg bruise story. It was also Dan who admitted to "planting seeds", but then there's Phil with his "we are not moving" LS camera angle.

I am not sure what this means, maybe mastermind sparkle can make something of it. It was just something that stood out to me after I saw the bruise discussion on the gaming LS and then reconsidered the last months.

Disclaimer: I am only talking about their online personas, so this has nothing to do with their actual relationship but rather the display of it.

Tbh in a low-key way I have kinda always sensed that about their relationship stuff and personal lives. Phil in general has more censored and shorter live shows, shares less, and is less touchy feely. I kinda get that sense about interactions with others too. I think that it fits the brands for Dan to be less comfortable in social situations or maybe he is just more comfortable talking about it so its easy to project it on him that he has the issue? But Phil tends to do less with others he does not really know and things during their radio show or live things where Dan is made out to be jealous or talk to much or other things might just come out of a place of Phil doesn't want to or is nervous so he steps up. What comes to mind is his LS with all the you tubers a few years ago or his collabs or the dancing thing they did live where Dan just gets inbetween Phil and the girl? or of course asking Phil if he want to talk before CAN PHIL EXPRESS AN OPINION.

I suppose it doesn't matter and I like reading other theories not expressing mine because I put no work into mine. This is less I think this is true and more this is my headcanon/the sense I have had for years.

[FandomLurker]

Something I wanna throw into the "agenda to come out" discussion - this is just a feeling and probably amplified by confirmation bias, but to me it seems like Dan is more comfortable with the new agenda than Phil.

It was Dan who showed the moonroom, it was Phil who stuck with the Sleepless Night plan. It was Dan who mentioned foreverhome, who talked about #thatweekinmarch, but it was Phil who seemed uncomfortable telling the leg bruise story. It was also Dan who admitted to "planting seeds", but then there's Phil with his "we are not moving" LS camera angle.

I am not sure what this means, maybe mastermind sparkle can make something of it. It was just something that stood out to me after I saw the bruise discussion on the gaming LS and then reconsidered the last months.

Disclaimer: I am only talking about their online personas, so this has nothing to do with their actual relationship but rather the display of it.

Tbh in a low-key way I have kinda always sensed that about their relationship stuff and personal lives. Phil in general has more censored and shorter live shows, shares less, and is less touchy feely. I kinda get that sense about interactions with others too. I think that it fits the brands for Dan to be less comfortable in social situations or maybe he is just more comfortable talking about it so its easy to project it on him that he has the issue? But Phil tends to do less with others he does not really know and things during their radio show or live things where Dan is made out to be jealous or talk to much or other things might just come out of a place of Phil doesn't want to or is nervous so he steps up. What comes to mind is his LS with all the you tubers a few years ago or his collabs or the dancing thing they did live where Dan just gets inbetween Phil and the girl? or of course asking Phil if he want to talk before CAN PHIL EXPRESS AN OPINION.

I suppose it doesn't matter and I like reading other theories not expressing mine because I put no work into mine. This is less I think this is true and more this is my headcanon/the sense I have had for years.

[fancybum]

Something I wanna throw into the "agenda to come out" discussion - this is just a feeling and probably amplified by confirmation bias, but to me it seems like Dan is more comfortable with the new agenda than Phil.

It was Dan who showed the moonroom, it was Phil who stuck with the Sleepless Night plan. It was Dan who mentioned foreverhome, who talked about #thatweekinmarch, but it was Phil who seemed uncomfortable telling the leg bruise story. It was also Dan who admitted to "planting seeds", but then there's Phil with his "we are not moving" LS camera angle.

I am not sure what this means, maybe mastermind sparkle can make something of it. It was just something that stood out to me after I saw the bruise discussion on the gaming LS and then reconsidered the last months.

Disclaimer: I am only talking about their online personas, so this has nothing to do with their actual relationship but rather the display of it.

I think it's because Phil doesn't care so much about what other people think of him/his interests. Like Dan wants to be understood, he wants to explain why he likes the things he likes (hello pretentious music reviews) and wants people to know things about him with or without having to entirely spell it out sometimes (cough cough)- he has a need to share his passions. Phil just wants to make the viewer smile and sell some backpacks. I don't think he's against the trend they've been taking (because the change from gamingmas was noticeable in both of them) but maybe it's just not quite as important to him as it is to Dan.
(Sorry I'm posting too much but I'm having a lull at work)

[goingbackto505]

[Offtopic]I was wondering about something and decided to ask you guys. What's the difference between shipbaiting and fanservice? I get the difference between queerbaiting and the other two. Also if you answer my question I might not be able to respond back because I'm not going to have an internet connection very often in the next couple of months.[/Offtopic]

[Offtopic]this is just my personal opinion, but I think there's not that much difference, except that maybe ship-baiting is done with a clear intent to bait, sometimes with nothing much to "deliver", and fanservice - to "reward" the fans.
for example, in my opinion Dan and Phil playing gay chicken would be either queerbaiting or ship-baiting (I'm not sure here, but the whole concept of that "game" is wrong on so many levels) and this can be considered ship-baity, but also can be seen as a joke:

when Dan says "give the fans what they want"/"is that what you wanted", it implies fanservice, like here:

yes, they're not fictional characters, but phan shippers (not all, but the vast majority) have the tendency to treat them as if they are fictional and refuse to view them as anything else. Dan and Phil realize that as well since they've always been very in touch with their core audience, not to mention how generally self-aware they are.[/Offtopic]

[coffeepenguin]

I have nothing substantial to add to the possible moving/coming out discussion, but I just need to say, omg fancybum I love you, "Dan wants to be understood / Phil just wants to make the viewer smile and sell some backpacks" is such a perfect summary of their online presence I might add this to my signature, if you don't mind

[randomthoughts]

Something I wanna throw into the "agenda to come out" discussion - this is just a feeling and probably amplified by confirmation bias, but to me it seems like Dan is more comfortable with the new agenda than Phil.

It was Dan who showed the moonroom, it was Phil who stuck with the Sleepless Night plan. It was Dan who mentioned foreverhome, who talked about #thatweekinmarch, but it was Phil who seemed uncomfortable telling the leg bruise story. It was also Dan who admitted to "planting seeds", but then there's Phil with his "we are not moving" LS camera angle.

I am not sure what this means, maybe mastermind sparkle can make something of it. It was just something that stood out to me after I saw the bruise discussion on the gaming LS and then reconsidered the last months.

Disclaimer: I am only talking about their online personas, so this has nothing to do with their actual relationship but rather the display of it.

I'm had these thoughts a lot too, and I feel like it's because Dan is just more open than Phil. I'm noticed this ever since the V-day video, and how Dan responded to it, and not Phil. I think that even though Phil seems 'happiness and rainbows" he really cares about what people think about him, well, Dan is less so. Also Phil is more of a entertainer, and makes his videos so viewers will be happy, well, Dan kind of just does what he wants to.

I think Phil is more sensitive and affect by how people think of him than Dan, but just very, very good at hiding it. Again with "jealous dan" Dan shows his feelings more, while Phil is good at hiding how he feels.

I think they're both going with whatever they're planning, but Phil is more unsure about it, looking for a backup plan to say that it's "all a joke lol" if something goes wrong or if the audience responds badly, while Dan is more confident about it, and more sure of himself.

Just my feeling and thoughts, none of this could be true, and I'm reading just how Dan and Phil display themselves.

[flarequake]

I have nothing substantial to add to the possible moving/coming out discussion, but I just need to say, omg fancybum I love you, "Dan wants to be understood / Phil just wants to make the viewer smile and sell some backpacks" is such a perfect summary of their online presence I might add this to my signature, if you don't mind

I loved that line too. It does look like Phil's comfortable enough for the general relaxing they've been doing on certain things, though I think his shorter liveshows are just his preference rather than necessarily due to privacy.

I agree with fancybum's point about them saying anything at all, it seems to all be coming from us even though people are reading their change in behaviour as pointing to it. It could just be that they're happy with how they've changed things up a bit and that's as far as they'll go.