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BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....

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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
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Anonymousse wrote:
Warning: This theory probably isn't new.

This info in italics is very new to me.. And makes me think of things very-very differently... :cry:

As someone who is studying IT, and has researched a bit on the possibilities.
Videos don't just get "unprivated" like that, i have always thought there was someone who "leaked it".

And judging from EVERYTHING... It could have been Dan who actually leaked it, because he was too tired playing this silly game of hide and seek. Phil reacted, shit went down, the damage had been done. Phil left Dan to deal with the mess and deny everything while their relationship was on the rocks.

And I'm obviously giving you a theory, but this one is something I really do believe in. There had to be someone who leaked it, and especially because it happened TWICE (also got to know this recently).

The picture, the close proximity to the leak...

*le sigh*
This isn't firsthand information but other Youtubers were said to have videos unprivated around the same time. Interesting theory but don't think it holds water.
oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....
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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
This is one of the biggest disappointments of my life. What is that scribble after the last 'l' supposed to be?
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oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....
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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
Wtf does it even say?

Boy, learn to write!

Tho yeah, probably not Lester. :sobs:
spider wrote:information but other Youtubers were said to have videos unprivated around the same time. Interesting theory but don't think it holds water.[/spoiler]
Well that definitely should have been something that should have checked.

But still.. =/


But who the fuck am I kidding? I'm mostly just the rotting banana peel at the bottom of the phan trash can who genuinely gets excited over the thought of them snuggling in bed. Idgaf let a bitch live
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oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....

Image

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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
he literally has the weirdest handwriting i have ever seen wtf

well at least the dan lester mystery has been solved
oqua wrote:*still going through Dan's tumblr likes.*

I've gotten to November 2012. I'm compiling such a long list I think I'm going to group them into categories or something before I post them.

For now, all I'll say is, to those who like Fem!Dan.... I think Dan likes it too. ;)
you're my favorite person

ok now this is kinda offtopic but not really but i'm gonna put it under a spoiler anyway bc it might get kind of long

i have a cultural question for y'all
there's one thing i never understood about the english-speaking fandom/teenage side of the internet, because i hardly ever see that behavior on teens irl (aka on my country/countries nearby), and that's some pre-teens/teens strongly negative reaction to alcohol/seeing adults drinking, and by 'never understood' i mean i didn't even understand it when i was a fucking pre-teen

i was going through the comments on hazel's vid and i collected a few examples of what i mean:

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these ones made me laugh because he wasn't drunk at all oh my god

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this one isn't so bad

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please go outside... breath some fresh air...

so my question is: is this like normal young teens behavior when it comes to alcohol in the us/uk? or is it just that some teens online are really weird? because where i live people usually start drinking between the age of 14 and 16 and before that no one really has strong opinions about it, it's just a thing 'adults' do, and even the few people that choose not to drink for whatever reason don't usually make it a big deal, they're just like 'nah, not for me', while these kids seem personally offended by alcohol

i'm guessing it might have to do with education and laws, here schools don't make much emphasis on the 'don't drink!!!1' side of things, they are busy telling you not to do hard drugs, smoke or have unprotected sex i guess, even highschool senior year proms (which are organized by the students, not the schools) are known for ending up on wasted teenagers when some of them are still underage (the drinking age is 18 but many people graduate being 17) and no one really cares*, there's even always some parents that help bring all the bottles to the venue :lol: and when it comes to laws... well... they are there?... but you can always find some 15 years old who looks older...

so yeah, how does the underage drinking thing work in other places? i'm curious

*the government kinda cares but since they are private parties there are always ways to get around that and make sure you won't get busted (and venue owners know how to do that, they make a shit ton of money with these parties after all)
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oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....

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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
I won't let your shipper heart be broken! Any signature that starts with a ":D" IS NOT A REAL SIGNATURE! also, why the everloving fluff can he not write as clearly as he does his username there?! Fuck's sake Daniel.
Where is that bloody screenshot of both their driving licenses?! Where did it go?!
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spider wrote:
Anonymousse wrote:
Warning: This theory probably isn't new.

This info in italics is very new to me.. And makes me think of things very-very differently... :cry:

As someone who is studying IT, and has researched a bit on the possibilities.
Videos don't just get "unprivated" like that, i have always thought there was someone who "leaked it".

And judging from EVERYTHING... It could have been Dan who actually leaked it, because he was too tired playing this silly game of hide and seek. Phil reacted, shit went down, the damage had been done. Phil left Dan to deal with the mess and deny everything while their relationship was on the rocks.

And I'm obviously giving you a theory, but this one is something I really do believe in. There had to be someone who leaked it, and especially because it happened TWICE (also got to know this recently).

The picture, the close proximity to the leak...

*le sigh*
This isn't firsthand information but other Youtubers were said to have videos unprivated around the same time. Interesting theory but don't think it holds water.
Who had leaked videos? What videos they were? I have tried to google the youtube glitch or anything about it, but I found only the Phan sites. Now I'm really curious wether it was intentional leak by one of the boys or it was youtube glitch. But I haven't seen anything about any other youtubers having vids leaked. Or when it comes to that, there is no other fandom that hoards videos in čase they get deleted. It's interesting.
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IckleMissMayhem wrote:
oqua wrote:Image
I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
I won't let your shipper heart be broken! Any signature that starts with a ":D" IS NOT A REAL SIGNATURE! also, why the everloving fluff can he not write as clearly as he does his username there?! Fuck's sake Daniel.
Where is that bloody screenshot of both their driving licenses?! Where did it go?!
After further analysis the signature looks like it could say ':Danisnotonfire'. Which is it? ':Dan Howell' or ':Danisnotonfire'? Based on the context it would make more sense that it's his username which is printed below. Phil and Pj also signed using their usernames. This begs the question of whether Dan would sign a piece of paper in his and Phil's house using his username. There is no ':D' before his signature on 'The Rules'.

The mystery continues.
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cherry wrote:I know the conversation moved on but
Something a little different, but since it does have to do with tumblr, I've always liked going through their asks

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Favorite Male Fictional Characters and why. Go.
Thanks for these, especially the fav male characters one. Now I don't know anything about FF, but I love his numbers 3-5. Andrew in Buffy was always hilarious, and I had a huge crush on Ben from Lost (and Phil seems to admire his skills as a liar ;) ). Science of sleep-Stéphane is a great character, I can see Phil relating to him, but it's interesting, since Stéphane isn't just a weird-imaginative-quirky-happygolucky-pixiedreamboy kind of character, but sometimes is in a pretty dark place, he's insecure and comes across as really weird-weird sometimes.

btw I gave up on trying to keep up with the thread. How do you guys manage it, I don't even have a job and it's impossible.

And WHAT is that signature. That doesn't even look remotely like "Howell"… :tsk:

Re: drinking. Yeah, I don't get it either, I'm not sure what teenagers here think of it nowadays, but I think it's still not unusual to start drinking when you're 14-16. Nobody cares if you don't drink, but its not a big deal when you do. We all got tipsy with our teachers on a school trip when we were 17. And judging adults for having one drink? Jfc, kids, haven't you seen all the hard liquor deppy have in their fridge??
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oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....

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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
I don't know whether I should be happy or sad to be proven right. Oh, my shipper heart feels like it has been stabbed by Dan. also imagine he is lurking and laughing as he reads we thought his signature is DanLester
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spider wrote:
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
oqua wrote:Image
I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
I won't let your shipper heart be broken! Any signature that starts with a ":D" IS NOT A REAL SIGNATURE! also, why the everloving fluff can he not write as clearly as he does his username there?! Fuck's sake Daniel.
Where is that bloody screenshot of both their driving licenses?! Where did it go?!
After further analysis the signature looks like it could say ':Danisnotonfire'. Which is it? ':Dan Howell' or ':Danisnotonfire'? Based on the context it would make more sense that it's his username which is printed below. Phil and Pj also signed using their usernames. This begs the question of whether Dan would sign a piece of paper in his and Phil's house using his username. There is no ':D' before his signature on 'The Rules'.

The mystery continues.
To me it quite clearly says "Dan H" at least. Then I think the two tall things are the two l's and it's followed by some kind of odd scribble. I can't see "Danisnotonfire."

True that there's no colon before the D on The Rules, but I assume that's just an embellishment he adds when signing for fans. This was from 2012 so he probably hadn't developed his current ":DAN" signature; he just used his regular signature and added a :.
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PolarFox wrote:
Who had leaked videos? What videos they were? I have tried to google the youtube glitch or anything about it, but I found only the Phan sites. Now I'm really curious wether it was intentional leak by one of the boys or it was youtube glitch. But I haven't seen anything about any other youtubers having vids leaked. Or when it comes to that, there is no other fandom that hoards videos in čase they get deleted. It's interesting.
Don't know about back then but Youtube had and continues to have glitches. Only a few months ago Markiplier experienced the same glitch and had this video unprivated.
Well this is embarrassing... STORY TIME!! This is an OLD video for a brand deal that fell through last year. I had actually forgotten that this video existed until YouTube bugged out and set a couple private videos to public.
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Whenever the youtube thing stops working for him Dan could make a career out of designing death metal band logos, he's a natural really.

Wtf does that even say? :shock:

You lovely people are awesome cryptographers too
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spider wrote:
PolarFox wrote:
Who had leaked videos? What videos they were? I have tried to google the youtube glitch or anything about it, but I found only the Phan sites. Now I'm really curious wether it was intentional leak by one of the boys or it was youtube glitch. But I haven't seen anything about any other youtubers having vids leaked. Or when it comes to that, there is no other fandom that hoards videos in čase they get deleted. It's interesting.
Don't know about back then but Youtube had and continues to have glitches. Only a few months ago Markiplier experienced the same glitch and had this video unprivated.
Well this is embarrassing... STORY TIME!! This is an OLD video for a brand deal that fell through last year. I had actually forgotten that this video existed until YouTube bugged out and set a couple private videos to public.
Oooooooh, okay, now this is the "proof" I wanted/needed to believe the youtube glitch story. Because I never heard of those stuff happening that much before. Thanks!
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oqua wrote:To me it quite clearly says "Dan H" at least. Then I think the two tall things are the two l's and it's followed by some kind of odd scribble. I can't see "Danisnotonfire."

True that there's no colon before the D on The Rules, but I assume that's just an embellishment he adds when signing for fans. This was from 2012 so he probably hadn't developed his current ":DAN" signature; he just used his regular signature and added a :.
Darn it oqua with your logic and removable . I want to believe.

Daniel needs to explain what that squiggle after 'Howell' is. And apologize for getting everyone's hopes up but let's start with the explanation.
PolarFox wrote:Oooooooh, okay, now this is the "proof" I wanted/needed to believe the youtube glitch story. Because I never heard of those stuff happening that much before. Thanks!
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awww, Oqua. I feel a tinge of sadness, but also, I just really enjoyed watching the whole thing develop. kudos to you and everyone else for staying critical and acknowledging all possibilities!

i hate all the smilies so much. why do all the old-school ones have such sarcastic, pass agg vibes? lol.
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trashqueen wrote: i have a cultural question for y'all
there's one thing i never understood about the english-speaking fandom/teenage side of the internet, because i hardly ever see that behavior on teens irl (aka on my country/countries nearby), and that's some pre-teens/teens strongly negative reaction to alcohol/seeing adults drinking, and by 'never understood' i mean i didn't even understand it when i was a fucking pre-teen

i was going through the comments on hazel's vid and i collected a few examples of what i mean:

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these ones made me laugh because he wasn't drunk at all oh my god

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this one isn't so bad

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please go outside... breath some fresh air...

so my question is: is this like normal young teens behavior when it comes to alcohol in the us/uk? or is it just that some teens online are really weird? because where i live people usually start drinking between the age of 14 and 16 and before that no one really has strong opinions about it, it's just a thing 'adults' do, and even the few people that choose not to drink for whatever reason don't usually make it a big deal, they're just like 'nah, not for me', while these kids seem personally offended by alcohol

i'm guessing it might have to do with education and laws, here schools don't make much emphasis on the 'don't drink!!!1' side of things, they are busy telling you not to do hard drugs, smoke or have unprotected sex i guess, even highschool senior year proms (which are organized by the students, not the schools) are known for ending up on wasted teenagers when some of them are still underage (the drinking age is 18 but many people graduate being 17) and no one really cares*, there's even always some parents that help bring all the bottles to the venue :lol: and when it comes to laws... well... they are there?... but you can always find some 15 years old who looks older...

so yeah, how does the underage drinking thing work in other places? i'm curious

*the government kinda cares but since they are private parties there are always ways to get around that and make sure you won't get busted (and venue owners know how to do that, they make a shit ton of money with these parties after all)
I've seen those reactions in other places too, and idk it's probably that a) they're kids and b) people who get into fandoms tend to be introverted, so some of them might just have lived a shy and "sheltered" life where alcohol is a very unfamiliar topic, and it might seem quite scary if you associate all of the states of being drunk with being very drunk (like, thinking someone turns into a whole different person after just one drink). If your parents don't drink and none of your friends do either, seeing your stan having a cocktail can be a weird experience I guess.

In my country the most popular local Youtubers have a pretty young audience and while drinking when underage (and alcohol in general lol) is a huge thing here, the comments always seem very innocent in that regard. They also complain if they hear swearwords, and get confused if someone mentions sex. It always seems a bit weird for me since I've found those things "natural" throughout my teenage years and so have all of my friends, but people grow up with different backgrounds and different levels of education with these things.

I dont understand how Dan can have such a bad handwriting, that is the weirdest signature I've seen and can't see how it spells Howell :D
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it may also be that when something is the norm, no one is likely to really comment on it drawing attention - so the ones that do, stick out to you immediately when reading.

there's a word for this phenomena, but it's escaping me right now.
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Catching up on a lot here and I'm sure the convo has already moved on but oh well I only made it to page 32 I need to go back to bed.
fancybum wrote: One of my favourite things (as a creep) to do is watch their joint liveshows (and also collabs to a lesser extent) and watch Phil. He doesn't look directly at Dan much, but he looks at him on the computer screen (or the camera screen in actual videos) quite a bit.
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PRO TIP
So true, and the one that immediately comes to mind for me is the festive flash fight, especially during game #3. They look at each other a lot in that video anyways, but Phil's little glances to the monitor during that last game are cute.
starting at 7:34
re: The Sims, I'm not sick of the series yet so I found it extra enjoyable, I loved their fire reactions And it got better with the Tabitha abduction reactions, they both straight up lost it and got high-pitched and panicked when they didn't know what was going on. Phil's genuine worry about her being gone was endearing, and singing Rihanna was too funny, I'm happy it got kept in. This is definitely one of the best Sims videos in the series, hands down. and I am happy to finally learn I am not the only person here who finds Dan screeching as funny

re: Tipsy Talk, it was cute, I appreciated the toned down AP. I thought their chemistry was quite nice, SO MUCH better than the Caspar chemistry which was awk beyond awk. The talk about death really interesting, and his reactions are valid and expected given what's happened in the past. When Hazel says if he opened his own bar it'd be full of underage girls, does Phil say "Maybe I should open my own bar" or shouldn't? Either way is pretty funny :lol: His parents gave him coffee from 9 years old, that explains a lot, Philly.

I LOVE all the IG research and stats and discussion, give me more more more. Just like felucca I don't know what to do with the information but it's so interesting to read. We'll need more fodder like that if we're facing a content drought guys
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The squiggles after the final l are probably xx kisses all loopy and sideways from writing fast. Something like that.
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oqua wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Guys I regret to inform you that I think DanLesterGate is over. In looking through Dan's tumblr likes I found HIS REAL SIGNATURE. His "Dan Howell" signature. And...um....

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I can definitely understand why it looks like "Lester" when small and blurry. Like wtf are the two scribbles after the last "l"?? But it does appear to say "Howell." :(

Sad day for my shipper heart, but very very happy day for the endlessly curious part of my mind that just wants to know the truth. :lol:
I am so disappointed :sobs: I really thought it was Dan Lester. What is with the scribble after the last L?!
I can't really say anything because my signature is just a scribble too

I was a good couple of days thinking they have got married though
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kooshka wrote:
trashqueen wrote: i have a cultural question for y'all
there's one thing i never understood about the english-speaking fandom/teenage side of the internet, because i hardly ever see that behavior on teens irl (aka on my country/countries nearby), and that's some pre-teens/teens strongly negative reaction to alcohol/seeing adults drinking, and by 'never understood' i mean i didn't even understand it when i was a fucking pre-teen

i was going through the comments on hazel's vid and i collected a few examples of what i mean:

Image
Image
these ones made me laugh because he wasn't drunk at all oh my god

Image
this one isn't so bad

Image
Image
please go outside... breath some fresh air...

so my question is: is this like normal young teens behavior when it comes to alcohol in the us/uk? or is it just that some teens online are really weird? because where i live people usually start drinking between the age of 14 and 16 and before that no one really has strong opinions about it, it's just a thing 'adults' do, and even the few people that choose not to drink for whatever reason don't usually make it a big deal, they're just like 'nah, not for me', while these kids seem personally offended by alcohol

i'm guessing it might have to do with education and laws, here schools don't make much emphasis on the 'don't drink!!!1' side of things, they are busy telling you not to do hard drugs, smoke or have unprotected sex i guess, even highschool senior year proms (which are organized by the students, not the schools) are known for ending up on wasted teenagers when some of them are still underage (the drinking age is 18 but many people graduate being 17) and no one really cares*, there's even always some parents that help bring all the bottles to the venue :lol: and when it comes to laws... well... they are there?... but you can always find some 15 years old who looks older...

so yeah, how does the underage drinking thing work in other places? i'm curious

*the government kinda cares but since they are private parties there are always ways to get around that and make sure you won't get busted (and venue owners know how to do that, they make a shit ton of money with these parties after all)
I've seen those reactions in other places too, and idk it's probably that a) they're kids and b) people who get into fandoms tend to be introverted, so some of them might just have lived a shy and "sheltered" life where alcohol is a very unfamiliar topic, and it might seem quite scary if you associate all of the states of being drunk with being very drunk (like, thinking someone turns into a whole different person after just one drink). If your parents don't drink and none of your friends do either, seeing your stan having a cocktail can be a weird experience I guess.

In my country the most popular local Youtubers have a pretty young audience and while drinking when underage (and alcohol in general lol) is a huge thing here, the comments always seem very innocent in that regard. They also complain if they hear swearwords, and get confused if someone mentions sex. It always seems a bit weird for me since I've found those things "natural" throughout my teenage years and so have all of my friends, but people grow up with different backgrounds and different levels of education with these things.
My initial reaction to this was "maybe because the 10-12year olds watching these vids in the USA are still a decade away from being able to drink legally" but then I saw the UK was being lumped into it. I don't know, in honesty. I suppose a lot depends on what these kids are seeing. If it's the awful, detestable "ABSTINENCE IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!" style "education" then it's not so surprising that they react so extremely when their idols are anything other than squeaky clean, polished halo little cherubs.
Most social media networks have set 13 as the "age limit" guideline and I know it's not enforcable. I know it's not. But firstly, I'd expect any 13 year old to understand that yes, too much alcohol is a, going to get you drunk/hungover/long term effects etc etc... but that some people do drink, and if it's legal and they're reasonably sensible about it they're doing nobody (else) any harm, so mind your own damn business.
Secondly, content/creators shouldn't have to censor themselves "because of teh childrenz!" that shouldn't even be watching ffs. Fair enough if Phil didn't want to actually get tipsy on camera because he didn't want to make a fool out of himself. But "oh no I can't, there might be young people watching"? NO. Educate them that there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a couple of drinks and a chat with a friend in your own home, if you're enjoying it. Far healthier attitude.
Where Dan pouring pints of wine ironically during ISG comes into this I'm not sure. But also in favour of that joke, because lord knows when I was dealing with idiot teens on the daily I was making the same jokes... and drinking wine straight from the bottle. #classy Seriously Dan... Don't bother with the glass next time. You'll feel better!

edit cos typos. Oops. Also: I ranted. #notsorry
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flarequake wrote:The squiggles after the final l are probably xx kisses all loopy and sideways from writing fast. Something like that.
Yes, or a little star?
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I'm on phone so i won't quote but oqua are you sure it's howell not isonfire? Because that little tail thing at the end looks a lot more like a e rather than ll to me. If that's howell, wow, then he just blown me all the way to another dimension and dragged me back with force. Wild writing HOWELL.

About the alcohol thing, christ it took me solid five minutes to remember that i wanted to talk about this. It's hard being a middle aged nose pervert. ;) Anyway, apart from the young age, these kids probably also been brainwashed a lot by the "angel bean purest sunshine cinnamon roll" Phil, they got used to putting him on a pedestal and treat him like a Saint. In their minds he doesn't swear, he doesn't drink, he likes sweets and hugs plushie animal to go to sleep every night. While we are eagerly wanting to see Phil behave like a man of his age, these kids are perfectly satisfied with his over grown man boy peter pan persona. That's why this year before Phil's birthday ppl on tumblr are saying they can't accept the fact that Phil is turning 29. On the other hand Dan drinks and swears but nobody gives a shit because Dan isn't a cinnamon roll he is internet homo.

Btw can we quickly talk about how Phil's persona driven channel branding is seriously hurting the quality of his work? I couldn't help but notice that his last two videos are not quite as good as the videos on Caspar and Hazel's channel. As he is insisting on staying on persona, it's also a restriction on his creativity. Almost feel like he is censoring himself.
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He really needs an "AdultPhil" channel. Bring on the drink, (or the sugar highs, I don't mind!) adult themes, and sexy naked dancing ladies Dan.

I had my second TATINOF-related dream last night. Truly fanfiction-worthy. Someone help me., what are these two DOING to me?!! :wtf:
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IckleMissMayhem wrote:I had my second TATINOF-related dream last night. Truly fanfiction-worthy. Someone help me., what are these two DOING to me?!! :wtf:
During TWL I dreamed about IDB 3 nights in a row. Not even Deppy. IDB.
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